*The DisBeLieF Storyline* Today the first seeds of the reverse BeLieF storyline are being planted - we learn that Deacon has custody of Little Eric, and that he actually had it all along because in spite of Jonathan and his lawyers working around the clock for so long on the documents, the papers were never filed. Clearly, Jonathan doesn't hire the best people (and is himself not one of the best people). Or maybe Jonathan's IegaI team finally had it and decided to troII the Forresters. This could have been excellent continuity if we had actually had _any_ hint at all that there was something not quite right about the custody papers at the time. Now, it feels like a convenient retcon in order to move the storyline forward faster. However, Deacon being Eric's legaI guardian is an important plot point because it is what will eventually allow Stephanie to win controI of Forrester Creations back from Brooke. And it is a nice symmetry that the thing that allows her to do this is the same as what made them lose controI in the first place - someone who occupies a certain role without a "contract". Brooke worked at Forrester but was not an employee, and now Little Eric lives with Rick and Amber but is not legaIIy a Forrester.
Great post Annie! Love your point about the lack of a contract as the similarity between the two storylines (also love the "Disbelief" title you coined). And you're so right about it feeling like a retcon this time around. Compare that to the Belief storyline which really didn't feel retconned at all because Bill Bell was known to map out story arcs years in advance and so the clues were there even before the "uh oh" moment with the patent application arrived. We saw Brooke taking an interest in the Forrester lab while she was Eric's wife a whole TWO YEARS before. We saw the development of the formula over time which often put Ridge and Brooke in close proximity together. And we saw Eric using the Belief launch to give Brooke public credit for creating the formula when he was trying to win her back and dissuade her from divorce. All of this set the groundwork for Brooke to claim ownership and a credible twist where you could believe Brooke was never under contract because you saw with your own eyes that Eric was often conflating business and personal with her and that her foray into the lab was more as a wife's creative hobby than a paid employee's directive.
*Hope is lost* Disappointingly, the show avoids a possibly expIosive confIict between Macy and Brooke by simply having the lawyer discourage Deacon from pursuing custody or visitation of Hope, instead shifting the focus to Little Eric. This makes little sense because as Hope's father, Deacon _should_ be able to get visitation at the very least (and possibly shared custody later on). And this storyline would be far more structurally sat is fy ing because it would be Brooke's karma not only for having Deacon's child, but also for disrupting Macy's plans to have a family with Thorne. But the show chooses not to go there - possibly because the writers don't want Brooke to lose something so important - and instead, Amber (who already lost two children) is made to lose her child, which just feels unnecessarily crueI. The same thing happened a year earlier when Amber and Brooke were both pregnant, but Amber had a miscarriage while Brooke gave birth without problems. At the time it felt as if Amber was made to suffer _instead of Brooke._ And now Amber, who is the sensible and reasonable one, again loses her child while Brooke, who is the one creating the problems, gets to keep hers. It feels as if the writers, realizing that Deacon actually does deserve to "win" in this storyline, shift the storyline to make sure he doesn't win _against Brooke,_ instead making him win against Amber, who wasn't even the one flghting him in the first place.
@@mara4450 I don't expect or want her to lose custody of Hope entirely, but even visitation or shared custody would be seen as a "loss" by Brooke because she wants to be Hope's only parent (and leave the position as Hope's father open to any man she desires). So having to co-parent with Deacon would be exactly what she deserves for choosing to have a child with Deacon (and, incidentally, it would be best for Hope too).
Watching this season, I am starting to identify with those whales Nicky talked about who "finally got it" and decided to change their habitat... I wish we could change our habitat to S9 right about now.
Rick and Amber's idea of quality time with Little Eric is playing "Go Fish" with _each other,_ while Eric is just standing there holding a bunch of cards and not participating, and then when Amber wins she goes to hug and kiss Little Eric, who again is not participating but just holding on to the cards uncomfortably. Then Little Eric tells them he'd rather do what he did with Cuckoo. 😂 This kid is doing it again with the subtle troIIing of Rick and Amber, just like when he asked Rick where his daddy went. And it just becomes funnier because Rick and Amber aren't actually connecting with him at all in this scene in spite of them supposedly playing with him. Even the Old MacDonald Iacked the enthusiasm of Sally and Macy's version, with Amber saying "no encores" and leaving Eric with his dinosaur. And Amber gave the impression of singing _at_ the child, rather than _with_ him.
I love this comment because I had the same reaction to the “Old Macdonald” scene. Macy’s was so warm and interactive, focusing on Little Eric. Bobbie Eakes’ warmth in that scene was reflected in the engagement and enthusiasm of the actor playing Little Eric. In contrast, Adrienne seemed like she was putting on a concert. And Little Eric was much more passive.
@@FayeIL exactly this - and you can see it in the scenes with Macy and Little Eric because a lot of the time you can barely see Macy's face in the scenes (or in the photos) because she is turning away from the camera to look at the kid (I noticed it because I have seen so many photos like that of me and my daughter, where only my hair is visible). Amber did the opposite, turning away from the kid and "performing" for Rick and the camera.
It would have been more dramatic if Brooke lost custody of Hope to Deacon. Why would Brooke get compliments from Stephanie, as Brooke had an affair with Eric, Ridge, and Thorne. Too bad they didn't bring in a romantic interest for Ridge during this time. Almost like Ridge doesn't want to be alone, and Ridge is right, Brooke likes the attention from Nick, just like Hope did with Wyatt.
I was saying that too - the real drama would have been a custody battIe between Brooke and Deacon over Hope (or even Deacon flghting for visitation or shared custody), with Macy as Hope's potential stepmom. I don't understand why the writers just dropped it.
Brooke always wanted to be a Forrester, never a Logan. But Ridge remembers her being a Logan each time he calls her Logan😂 Now, Nick is encouraging Brooke to take a chance to be in a different family, The Marones forgetting that Ridge is also a Marone now😂
Ridge is waiting for Brooke...serves him right after what he put Brooke through all these years...but he is accepting stating that he made major mistakes and wants to make things right with Brooke ❤
@@sharonstewart4882Because his mommy forced his hand with her fake dea th bed last wish for him to choose Taylor. but we all know he dumped Taylor and tries to win Brooke back ,but she wants Nick He has a heart attack in front of Stephanie while blaming her for losing Brooke because he loves her. Did you forget that part Shar??
@@memento-_mori lol you trolls are the only ones with aliases. I have said from the beginning that my opinions on characters change with the show. Sometimes I like Brooke sometimes Taylor Sometimes neither. I have never been a stan of any character. I can change my mind on who I like or cheer for anytime I want Why??? Because it’s not that serious It’s just a Soap 😂 Since the whole awful Deacon Brooke affair is in the past I am back to cheering for Brooke ,but not with Ridge at this time. I like her best with Nick
"I feel very inspired," says Nicky, and just like that, he is now not only a romantic lead, heir to the Marone empire, and master of marine metaphors - he can sing too! 🙄 I have said before that there is singing on the show that works, and singing that doesn't work (and this is not only related to actual vocal skills - case in point, Sally and Clarke singing karaoke worked fine). It has to do with whether it feels like the _character_ singing, or the _actor_ -showing off their- singing. This is clearly an example of the latter. There is no need for Nick the character to sing, other than as a way for JW to get even more attention on the show. It adds nothing in terms of characterization.
@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 yes! Even Amber singing Old MacDonald felt unconvincing, like she was doing it only because Eric wanted her to but really she didn't want to sing it (while Sally and Macy really had fun with it and soId it). And Nicky singing and playing the guitar has the same feel as when Ridge is doing it - it feels like it's not the character doing it but the actor.
I might feel the same way if like with Amber Nick would suddenly chase a music career, but I have enough male cousins who just love to jam or to play the guitar and to sing when we go camping or have a barbecue (and who make me feel like the odd one because I had guitar lessons for a year but I can't play like the ones who are just self-taught) - and playing guitar and singing might be a nice hobby if you work on a tanker. Music in the past has been a very defining matter for the 2nd Thorne and Macy, but at the same time that has never felt natural when they just arbitrarily started to sing (more like a musical) - and with the Thorne recast it was done.
This thumbnail demonstrates the "Monet" concept from Clueless. From far away Brooke looks like any other elderly woman but up close it's a big old mess. 😖
That's a very shortened and lacking summary that the lawyer gets: 8:56 _Deacon: Brooke and I were breaking up when Hope was born. I left the baby with her mother_ They want to know Deacon's chances for getting custody but don't go into details like that Deacon had been married to Brooke's daughter and Brooke had been married to Whip Jones at the time of Hope's birth? That Deacon had left town so that Brooke and Bridget could repair their relationship?
Becky was married to CJ and she believed he would raise the baby . CJ and Amber became involved after she died ,and were going to get married. Rick decided to find Little Eric’s biological father who had no idea he even had a child because Becky never told him . Rick hoped that he would sign over his rights to Eric for $1 million dollars. Ricks plan was to get Amber back because little Eric would be granted to them. Amber did leave CJ for Rick ,but the plan to get Eric backfired when Deacon reneged on the deal. Deacon got custody of little Eric for awhile ,and Amber would come to visit the baby. Deacon fell in love with Amber and she convinced him to sign his rights over to her and Rick . He thought it was best for the baby and believed he would have visitation rights and a million dollars. Rick refused to give the promised money to Deacon even though Amber didn’t agree Amber was not aware they had tricked Deacon when he signed over custody .
Inspired use of the Clapton song. Wagner is always so graceful in these performances. Lovely scene.
We know Brooke; you've always wanted to be a Forrester, that's why you've been stalking them since 1987!😂
And she will continue to thirst for Steph's approval. 😂
the wind, the fake water, the sound of the sea and that PAINTED backdrop
It's such a Truman show TV set.
@MariaPerez-sb1xp yes lollll🤣
I know😅!!
*The DisBeLieF Storyline*
Today the first seeds of the reverse BeLieF storyline are being planted - we learn that Deacon has custody of Little Eric, and that he actually had it all along because in spite of Jonathan and his lawyers working around the clock for so long on the documents, the papers were never filed. Clearly, Jonathan doesn't hire the best people (and is himself not one of the best people). Or maybe Jonathan's IegaI team finally had it and decided to troII the Forresters.
This could have been excellent continuity if we had actually had _any_ hint at all that there was something not quite right about the custody papers at the time. Now, it feels like a convenient retcon in order to move the storyline forward faster.
However, Deacon being Eric's legaI guardian is an important plot point because it is what will eventually allow Stephanie to win controI of Forrester Creations back from Brooke. And it is a nice symmetry that the thing that allows her to do this is the same as what made them lose controI in the first place - someone who occupies a certain role without a "contract". Brooke worked at Forrester but was not an employee, and now Little Eric lives with Rick and Amber but is not legaIIy a Forrester.
Annie, great post
Good post Annie
Great post Annie! Love your point about the lack of a contract as the similarity between the two storylines (also love the "Disbelief" title you coined). And you're so right about it feeling like a retcon this time around. Compare that to the Belief storyline which really didn't feel retconned at all because Bill Bell was known to map out story arcs years in advance and so the clues were there even before the "uh oh" moment with the patent application arrived. We saw Brooke taking an interest in the Forrester lab while she was Eric's wife a whole TWO YEARS before. We saw the development of the formula over time which often put Ridge and Brooke in close proximity together. And we saw Eric using the Belief launch to give Brooke public credit for creating the formula when he was trying to win her back and dissuade her from divorce. All of this set the groundwork for Brooke to claim ownership and a credible twist where you could believe Brooke was never under contract because you saw with your own eyes that Eric was often conflating business and personal with her and that her foray into the lab was more as a wife's creative hobby than a paid employee's directive.
3:46 Ridge, is it YOUR day?😂 I think not. You had your Date the day before. Rick's face in reaction 😅
Jack Wagner is even hotter with a guitar singing.
*Hope is lost*
Disappointingly, the show avoids a possibly expIosive confIict between Macy and Brooke by simply having the lawyer discourage Deacon from pursuing custody or visitation of Hope, instead shifting the focus to Little Eric. This makes little sense because as Hope's father, Deacon _should_ be able to get visitation at the very least (and possibly shared custody later on). And this storyline would be far more structurally sat is fy ing because it would be Brooke's karma not only for having Deacon's child, but also for disrupting Macy's plans to have a family with Thorne.
But the show chooses not to go there - possibly because the writers don't want Brooke to lose something so important - and instead, Amber (who already lost two children) is made to lose her child, which just feels unnecessarily crueI.
The same thing happened a year earlier when Amber and Brooke were both pregnant, but Amber had a miscarriage while Brooke gave birth without problems. At the time it felt as if Amber was made to suffer _instead of Brooke._ And now Amber, who is the sensible and reasonable one, again loses her child while Brooke, who is the one creating the problems, gets to keep hers.
It feels as if the writers, realizing that Deacon actually does deserve to "win" in this storyline, shift the storyline to make sure he doesn't win _against Brooke,_ instead making him win against Amber, who wasn't even the one flghting him in the first place.
Amber should not lose the child and baby Hope should go with Macy and decon
Brooke won't lose full custody (and how would Deacon having visitation even really be a loss), but Brooke will lose control of FC -thanks to Deacon- .
@@mara4450 but she ends up gaining control of spectra right after that so it cancels out the “lost”
@@mara4450 I don't expect or want her to lose custody of Hope entirely, but even visitation or shared custody would be seen as a "loss" by Brooke because she wants to be Hope's only parent (and leave the position as Hope's father open to any man she desires). So having to co-parent with Deacon would be exactly what she deserves for choosing to have a child with Deacon (and, incidentally, it would be best for Hope too).
@@annieo6527Visitation would be Brooke losing because she wants Deacon to disappear. And in the B&B verse Brooke must always gets what she wants.
17:15 I've always loved Eric Clapton song wonderful tonight but this made me love it even more
Watching this season, I am starting to identify with those whales Nicky talked about who "finally got it" and decided to change their habitat...
I wish we could change our habitat to S9 right about now.
Yes GOD do we need Season 9! 🙏 🤞
Oh how I wish! This is almost making me miss Omar!
@@FayeIL I'm getting unironically nostalgic for Ahmed and Moustafa.
Rick and Amber's idea of quality time with Little Eric is playing "Go Fish" with _each other,_ while Eric is just standing there holding a bunch of cards and not participating, and then when Amber wins she goes to hug and kiss Little Eric, who again is not participating but just holding on to the cards uncomfortably.
Then Little Eric tells them he'd rather do what he did with Cuckoo. 😂
This kid is doing it again with the subtle troIIing of Rick and Amber, just like when he asked Rick where his daddy went. And it just becomes funnier because Rick and Amber aren't actually connecting with him at all in this scene in spite of them supposedly playing with him.
Even the Old MacDonald Iacked the enthusiasm of Sally and Macy's version, with Amber saying "no encores" and leaving Eric with his dinosaur. And Amber gave the impression of singing _at_ the child, rather than _with_ him.
I love this comment because I had the same reaction to the “Old Macdonald” scene. Macy’s was so warm and interactive, focusing on Little Eric. Bobbie Eakes’ warmth in that scene was reflected in the engagement and enthusiasm of the actor playing Little Eric. In contrast, Adrienne seemed like she was putting on a concert. And Little Eric was much more passive.
@@FayeIL exactly this - and you can see it in the scenes with Macy and Little Eric because a lot of the time you can barely see Macy's face in the scenes (or in the photos) because she is turning away from the camera to look at the kid (I noticed it because I have seen so many photos like that of me and my daughter, where only my hair is visible). Amber did the opposite, turning away from the kid and "performing" for Rick and the camera.
be careful ridge you might not be as unforgettable as you think lol
It would have been more dramatic if Brooke lost custody of Hope to Deacon. Why would Brooke get compliments from Stephanie, as Brooke had an affair with Eric, Ridge, and Thorne. Too bad they didn't bring in a romantic interest for Ridge during this time. Almost like Ridge doesn't want to be alone, and Ridge is right, Brooke likes the attention from Nick, just like Hope did with Wyatt.
I was saying that too - the real drama would have been a custody battIe between Brooke and Deacon over Hope (or even Deacon flghting for visitation or shared custody), with Macy as Hope's potential stepmom. I don't understand why the writers just dropped it.
@@annieo6527 I supposed they dropped the story line as they didn't want Brooke to lose. and now, there is no mention of Little Eric
That's Rolanda Watts playing Deacon's lawyer
I like her!
Brooke always wanted to be a Forrester, never a Logan. But Ridge remembers her being a Logan each time he calls her Logan😂
Now, Nick is encouraging Brooke to take a chance to be in a different family, The Marones forgetting that Ridge is also a Marone now😂
For some reason Ridge calling Brooke Logan is seen as romantic. Ridge will never really be a Marone.
Ladies and gentlemen, introducing his first singing debut on B&B, the rebellious but charming Captain Nick Payne Morone!!🌟😎
BROOKE AND NICK FOREVER ❤
“Forever”…until she goes back to being obsessed with his brother, her other “destiny”
@@lil_jon411 Brooke fans keep dreaming 😂
Ridge is waiting for Brooke...serves him right after what he put Brooke through all these years...but he is accepting stating that he made major mistakes and wants to make things right with Brooke ❤
He'll "make things right" by annulling his next marriage to Brooke again. 😆
Now that Taylor is de ad of course
@@sharonstewart4882Because his mommy forced his hand with her fake dea th bed last wish for him to choose Taylor.
but we all know he dumped Taylor and tries to win Brooke back ,but she wants Nick
He has a heart attack in front of Stephanie while blaming her for losing Brooke because he loves her.
Did you forget that part Shar??
@@-Lily7415 You should've done this with one of your aliases instead of letting the mask slip.
@@memento-_mori lol you trolls are the only ones with aliases.
I have said from the beginning that my opinions on characters change with the show.
Sometimes I like Brooke sometimes Taylor
Sometimes neither.
I have never been a stan of any character.
I can change my mind on who I like or cheer for anytime I want
Why??? Because it’s not that serious
It’s just a Soap 😂
Since the whole awful Deacon Brooke affair is in the past
I am back to cheering for Brooke ,but not with Ridge at this time.
I like her best with Nick
Are we supposed to believe that highly professional and experienced Jonathan just missed that??
My guess is he and his legal team got tired of the Forresters and "missed" it. 😂
😂
Not the least credible that he would!
"I feel very inspired," says Nicky, and just like that, he is now not only a romantic lead, heir to the Marone empire, and master of marine metaphors - he can sing too! 🙄
I have said before that there is singing on the show that works, and singing that doesn't work (and this is not only related to actual vocal skills - case in point, Sally and Clarke singing karaoke worked fine). It has to do with whether it feels like the _character_ singing, or the _actor_ -showing off their- singing. This is clearly an example of the latter. There is no need for Nick the character to sing, other than as a way for JW to get even more attention on the show. It adds nothing in terms of characterization.
ITA! not only about actual vocal skills. It lacks authenticity when Amber and Nicky are doing it.
@@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763 yes! Even Amber singing Old MacDonald felt unconvincing, like she was doing it only because Eric wanted her to but really she didn't want to sing it (while Sally and Macy really had fun with it and soId it). And Nicky singing and playing the guitar has the same feel as when Ridge is doing it - it feels like it's not the character doing it but the actor.
I might feel the same way if like with Amber Nick would suddenly chase a music career, but I have enough male cousins who just love to jam or to play the guitar and to sing when we go camping or have a barbecue (and who make me feel like the odd one because I had guitar lessons for a year but I can't play like the ones who are just self-taught) - and playing guitar and singing might be a nice hobby if you work on a tanker.
Music in the past has been a very defining matter for the 2nd Thorne and Macy, but at the same time that has never felt natural when they just arbitrarily started to sing (more like a musical) - and with the Thorne recast it was done.
This thumbnail demonstrates the "Monet" concept from Clueless. From far away Brooke looks like any other elderly woman but up close it's a big old mess. 😖
😂😂😂
Is Clueless your favorite movie Jon? 😂
Way harsh, Tai 😂
@@sharonstewart4882 It's one of my favorites for sure. Watched it endlessly when I was a teenager.
@@FayeIL Please tell me it's one of your faves too 😄🙌 (RIP Brittany Murphy)
That's a very shortened and lacking summary that the lawyer gets: 8:56 _Deacon: Brooke and I were breaking up when Hope was born. I left the baby with her mother_
They want to know Deacon's chances for getting custody but don't go into details like that Deacon had been married to Brooke's daughter and Brooke had been married to Whip Jones at the time of Hope's birth? That Deacon had left town so that Brooke and Bridget could repair their relationship?
I am wondering where Whip fits into all this. Whose name is on the birth certificate?
Although Ridge is a Marone by blood, he decided to be a For-rest-er when Brooke went on a date with Nick, as in indifferent and careless.
Did Becky just give her baby to Amber before she died?
Becky was married to CJ and she believed he would raise the baby .
CJ and Amber became involved after she died ,and were going to get married.
Rick decided to find Little Eric’s biological father who had no idea he even had a child because Becky never told him .
Rick hoped that he would sign over his rights to Eric for $1 million dollars.
Ricks plan was to get Amber back because little Eric would be granted to them.
Amber did leave CJ for Rick ,but the plan to get Eric backfired when Deacon reneged on the deal.
Deacon got custody of little Eric for awhile ,and Amber would come to visit the baby.
Deacon fell in love with Amber and she convinced him to sign his rights over to her and Rick .
He thought it was best for the baby and believed he would have visitation rights and a million dollars.
Rick refused to give the promised money to Deacon even though Amber didn’t agree
Amber was not aware they had tricked Deacon when he signed over custody .
高质量的视频内容！我需要一些建议：有人给我转了一个usdt，我有恢复短语。:(laugh nominee buzz game expose field wash shoe world sadness bicycle grain).: 我该如何提取它们呢？
this beautiful thing with Brook is getting old