Greg thank you so much for this video! It comes at the perfect time for me with the troubles and questions I am having with my natural stones. Great video and thanks again. Happy friday!
Very underrated stone. I’ve been finishing my razors on a French Black Shadow with glycerin for about a year and I’m very pleased with the edges I’ve been getting.
Thanks Bill. That TI was purchased from Jarrod and originally had a concave edge on it. After using his edge for a I while, I converted it. While the performance of his edge was just fine, it did not stand above anything I've used before. Obviously, that's just personal bias. I think I have a good handle on the benefits (and drawbacks) of honing on a wheel; having done it, myself, with knives. I'm considering a video that analyzes honing a razor with a curved surface, but there might be too much math and materials science for it to be interesting. We'll see :)
@@greggallant5058 Originally concave? very interesting. In your scope shot, it did not look like any remnant of the concave ‘back bevel’ remained. I found it not too hard to move back and forth between the two. I consider one of the key advantages in the use of a crowned hone is that it clears the way for a flat or almost flat fine stone to work only a small part of the business end of the tool in finishing with minimal force. I generally like to present my honing adventures as just that, “My Adventures”. I have and successfully use shave tools honed by very skilled razor sharpeners who use flattened gear. I try to encourage folks to find their own way to happiness of which there are many. My methods are not easy or inexpensive, but I do like them. Many who have presented unreasonable opposition are sometimes claiming to do so as ‘the protectors of newbies’. I seem to think that opposition lies in the “Not Invented Here Syndrome” and/or Jarrod hate. If you do experiment, I currently create an apex first, then use 4 and 6 foot wheels to back bevel or compound back bevel at about 50-80% then move to 24’ wheel for all finishing steps. I think Jarrod may have another intermediate curve before final. All my curved abrasive hardware has a cross crown, leaving an ellipse. I have not been successful with a totally flat finisher, it may be beyond my current skill level. Should you engage, Good luck.
Yes, originally concave. Jarrod convex-honed it. I reset that bevel to put the geometry back on a playing field I'm familiar with. I don't understand the furor that has gone on for years on the "convex hone" topic. I have no dog in _that_ fight. Seems ludicrous to me. I have noticed that you cross crown and assumed that it was intentional. As for engaging with curved stones ... I've been planning to for a long time. Lots of discussion with Jarrod about this. I'm sure I'll get to it. I _think_ I have a good handle on the balance between the benefits and drawbacks, but experience is the best way to find out with certainty.
I only use tape if someone requests it, or under certain conditions of wear on (typically) a very old razor. I explain why I don't typically use tape in the first 15 minutes of the Honing Principles video.
Greg thank you so much for this video! It comes at the perfect time for me with the troubles and questions I am having with my natural stones. Great video and thanks again. Happy friday!
Hi Sean. You're welcome! Feel free to ask questions. I'm happy to share what I know.
@@greggallant5058hi Greg! So I took you on your word of asking any questions I had. Do you recommend this stone? I find it very interesting.
Very underrated stone. I’ve been finishing my razors on a French Black Shadow with glycerin for about a year and I’m very pleased with the edges I’ve been getting.
Nice work. Good info on those Black Shadows. That particular 6/8 TI razor blank form is one of my faves.
Thanks Bill. That TI was purchased from Jarrod and originally had a concave edge on it. After using his edge for a I while, I converted it. While the performance of his edge was just fine, it did not stand above anything I've used before. Obviously, that's just personal bias. I think I have a good handle on the benefits (and drawbacks) of honing on a wheel; having done it, myself, with knives. I'm considering a video that analyzes honing a razor with a curved surface, but there might be too much math and materials science for it to be interesting. We'll see :)
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Originally concave? very interesting. In your scope shot, it did not look like any remnant of the concave ‘back bevel’ remained. I found it not too hard to move back and forth between the two. I consider one of the key advantages in the use of a crowned hone is that it clears the way for a flat or almost flat fine stone to work only a small part of the business end of the tool in finishing with minimal force.
I generally like to present my honing adventures as just that, “My Adventures”.
I have and successfully use shave tools honed by very skilled razor sharpeners who use flattened gear.
I try to encourage folks to find their own way to happiness of which there are many.
My methods are not easy or inexpensive, but I do like them.
Many who have presented unreasonable opposition are sometimes claiming to do so as ‘the protectors of newbies’.
I seem to think that opposition lies in the “Not Invented Here Syndrome” and/or Jarrod hate.
If you do experiment, I currently create an apex first, then use 4 and 6 foot wheels to back bevel or compound back bevel at about 50-80% then move to 24’ wheel for all finishing steps. I think Jarrod may have another intermediate curve before final. All my curved abrasive hardware has a cross crown, leaving an ellipse. I have not been successful with a totally flat finisher, it may be beyond my current skill level. Should you engage, Good luck.
Yes, originally concave. Jarrod convex-honed it. I reset that bevel to put the geometry back on a playing field I'm familiar with.
I don't understand the furor that has gone on for years on the "convex hone" topic. I have no dog in _that_ fight. Seems ludicrous to me.
I have noticed that you cross crown and assumed that it was intentional.
As for engaging with curved stones ... I've been planning to for a long time. Lots of discussion with Jarrod about this. I'm sure I'll get to it. I _think_ I have a good handle on the balance between the benefits and drawbacks, but experience is the best way to find out with certainty.
Your French pronunciation is convincing - kudos!
Merci beaucoup! ;)
Hi Greg. Nice 👍 I was wondering. I noticed you did not use tape in your previous videos either. You never use tape? Have a nice weekend
I only use tape if someone requests it, or under certain conditions of wear on (typically) a very old razor. I explain why I don't typically use tape in the first 15 minutes of the Honing Principles video.