How Halo 3 Builds Large-Scale AI Battles | AI and Games #33
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I return to the Halo universe and build on my existing video on the behaviour tree AI of Halo 2, to discuss how Halo 3 manages large-scale infantry combat.
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Music in this video (in order):
'Finish the Fight' - Halo 3 OST
'Impart' - Halo 2 Anniversary OST
'Greatest Journey' - Halo 3 OST
'Never Forget' - Halo 3 OST
#gamedev #AI #Halo
This is my long-awaited return to the Halo franchise. It was a fun excuse to dust-off the Master Chief Collection on my Xbox One. 😀
Whether I will be able to return to Halo in the future is hard to tell. Bungie - who were previously very open about how they do things - are very tight lipped since working with Activision on Destiny. Meanwhile 343 Industries are similarly not as forthcoming with how things work over at their studio. But perhaps I have friends somewhere on the internet who can help make that happen!
CORRECTION: I mispelled Max Dyckhoff's name as 'Dyckoff' when referencing his GDC talk. Sorry about that.
as far as i know the dudes who mainly worked at halo arent even in bungie or 343i anymore :( thats why halo 4 and 5 are so diffrent
You ask me to pick a favorite bungie halo game. I love them all. Halo ce has the best atmosphere.
Halo 2 has the best cutscenes.
Halo 3 has the best MP bar none.
Halo 3 odst has great characters.
Halo Reach has the best forge.
But overall, i think halo 3 did everything perfectly and i have never come back to a game as much as i have come back to halo 3.
How would you explain the Halo Custom Edition battles? Perhaps they only occur due to the higher processing power of pcs.
@Rj Simas Really. That's ridiculous.
@@nathandamaren2093 Halo 2 had the best campaign for me. Halo ODST had the best soundtrack and game speed imo. Halo Wars 1 and 2 had the best cutscenes imo. Halo 2 was definitely my favorite, largely because I'm a huge Covenant game and Halo 2 is expanded the Covenant more than any other halo game. It also expanded the lore the most.
when that intro kicks in DUN DUN DUN DUURR DUN DUN DUN DUURR DUN DUN DUN DUURR DERERER
INSTANT urge to start the game back up. Again.
what
You know I never payed attention to the why, but I do remember always finding it fascinating when the grunts would run away after you killed the elite. Great video! Now I know something new!
the original halo trilogy is one of the best series to me. even now, going back to the games with the MCC just feels like a better experience than most of the newer titles today. either we lost some game design magic from back then, or i have some really strong duct-tape attached to my rose-tinted glasses
Joshua Thomas halo 3 probably has some of the greatest levels in gaming
It's probably a bit of both. H4 is just barely worthy of the name Halo despite it's excellent campaign, and while H5 is good on it's own, it is nothing when compared to the Bungie games.
The ai, the story, the levels, the weapon feel, the music... i don't think that it's just us making this up... i don't think there are many single player fps that are almost as fun to replay as the first playtrough like halo.
Call of duty now (still what was great about the old ones was the immersion and coolness, not gameplay) or basically every other shooter? Put a cardboard figure half behind a wall and let the player shoot at it or put an enemy with tons of health in the middle of nothing and let the player shoot at it. In halo on a decent difficutly you always have to think how to survive in a different way even in the same mission, there is no definitive cheap strategy and you cannot camp with a sniper rifle 200 meters away and get everyone's head like far cry every time.
I swear i still get outsmarted by halo 1 covenants on heroic to this day sometimes, they feel fucking alive almost as if they are other players
@@WaveOfDestiny yeah dude the AI feel real. The grunts are what make it for me they freak out and run away what AI does that in any game?
It's because 343 intentionally hired people that either hated halo or never heard of it and intentionally ignored fans.
Bungie must have all new developers or had to get rid of this AI system cause the cluster AI in Destiny is pretty terrible. Enemies pretty much just walk or run towards you and that’s it. There’s hardly any coordination compared to Halo 3. Maybe they just kept the Flood AI? Haha
Daniel Travelstead Apparently it takes them 8 hours to load the game after updating the code, just to test it. So they don’t have much time to make major changes with the destiny engine. Especially when activision is always pushing them.
Daniel Travelstead I think they do it on purpose for the sake of power fantasy in that game, like how borderlands ai doesn’t go seal team on you and just hide or run near you and shoot.
I'd wager it's because of their design choice: in a game where you're asked to satiate your power fantasy, and making an MMO, your game has to appeal to a maximum number of players. Seeing their design choice is completely justified when playing against players in Crucible: most players can't aim for shit. Enemies have ridiculously low health and AI difficulty to make them easy to beat, Cabal enemies and Overdrive Fallen Captains in Nightfalls are a fucking hassle because of how hard they are: not only because of their health, but because they have more time to go down their behavior trees, mad dashing and putting shields, grenades and flanking all over the place...
This video brings back so many memories of my group of friends and I staying up late into the night trying to beat that last level on legendary to get the achievement. Some of the best times on the 360
So crazy I played these games growing up, now I study them for uni classes.
I wish I found this channel earlier, this is some excellent content on my favourite game of all time. Keep up the good work!
This series really was phenomenal back in the day, shame about what it's eventually become.
That's life man, nothing lasts. _Nothing_
I had never realized how much effort was put into AI finding objectives to do, the play areas were so small and fairly short lived. It's a shame Bungie was stuck with console's horsepower and never got to go crazy with this AI on a larger scale.
SensualCream, Freelancer is still gold ~15 years later.
It's showing signs of recovering. Only time will tell if Halo can reclaim it's throne or if it becomes just another forgotten juggernaut.
Were it so easy
Gibblets, despite my comment I disagree with Peter. I still think Halo is phenomenal and my appreciation of it is only limited by my passing. Despite my reservations about 4 and 5 (both having aspects I respected and appreciated) nothing will ever take the love I have for Halo away. IMO, Halo is as alive as you make it, in a way. Of course the community matters too.
3:24 that death felt rough.
Not gonna lie I was pretty gutted at that, that whole segment had looked pretty good right up to until the end.
This brings back memories
"The AI squad has a priority task"
ME: Oh yeah, and what might that be?
5 stages of AI Agro
1. Ignore
2. Aware
3. Suspect
4. Aggravated
5. Fatigue
Halo Reach Elite AI? (The best on the series probably)
I swear the halo reach AI were all stupid and suicidal 😂
Unlostmaniac The Elites on Legendary were an exception
I think CE's Elites were better, just because they were a bit more unforgiving.
i think halo reach had phenomenal Ai in regards to balancing challenge and fairness in difficulty. (barring the occasional legendary Elite melee)
The Elites in Halo Reach on Legendary is the only ads that's harder than theyr Halo 2 legendary counterpart xD
I just discovered you. YES! This is what I was looking for!
God I love that iconic music
Can there be another sandbox shooter that has friendly ai as great as halo 3 marine ai.
this video should be the foundation for ground-drone warfare in real life, subbed and upvoted to reddit. Goodjob mate :)
So your telling me that when I give my marines a rocket and they had all these options... And they still thought LETS MURDER THE PLAYER was the best choice??? Thanks game.
At around 1:15 he uses the Halo 2 Epilogue music, sadly it is not from the beginning of the track, which is a shame. It's a great piece.
Please do an video on Halo Reach :D
@Puneet Kumar Especially at legendary! They are the only ads that beat their Halo 2 legendary counter part xD
*hear’s song at 1:03
HALO INFINITE IS HALO 3
CONFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRMMED!
Thank you recommended, I found a new channel.
Thanks for the content and for english subtitles !!
0:00 Hey! You put that piano down! That's a deadly weapon you're holding! It has the ability to force men and women around the world to shed manly, heavily armored tears.
0:11 HEY! PUT DOWN THAT ORCHESTRA RIGHT NOW! YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE MILLIONS OF GAMERS TO CONVULSE RHYTHMICALLY!
Mission. Accomplished.
I wish more shooters took the sanbox approach to combat design that Halo 3 does, with these more dynamic AI systems underpinning that. Even Bungie has largely abandonded this approach with Destiny.
Now that I think about it there really hasn’t been a game to nail a bunch of big battles with vehicles and friendly AIs that I can remember since halo reach and 3. Halo 4 had it happen a little bit on like 2 missions but games now a days don’t really do this. It’s sad
I didn't realise Ewan McGregor was such a big fan of the Halo franchise.
ooh i thought i was a lighthearted Conor Macgregor.
When was the last time you heard a game developer advertise how good their games AI is?
Fish AI.
:|
loopysausage sad but true
Only played Halo 1 & 2 on PC... too bad they ditched the PC playerbase for console profit.
But the AI behaviour was pretty advanced & adaptative for the standards back in those days.
Look on the bright side, Microsoft now is catering to you guys by giving you what were once console exclusives like Halo, and not letting console players turn off crossplay anymore even if it ruins the game for us. But oh well.
If you haven't try to play at least halo 1 on heroic: they feel almost alive to this day
nah mate play legendary. if heroic places AI as almost alive, legendary places player as almost alive
3:23 feels bad man
Hey AI and Games, can I ask if you’ll handle the AI of Delta Squad from Star Wars: Republic Commando? I think it’d be interesting to review and look at, given how well the members of the squad (Such as the Player Character Boss,, Fixer, Scorch, and Sev) act such as, say, when the player character is downed or when they enter an arena where there are a variety of enemies to fight and you haven’t given specific orders to them.
I'd like to if I can. It all comes to whether I can find out exactly how it works. It gets a little more difficult when games are a bit older as it's not as well documented. Although sometimes I meet devs who worked on the project and are happy to share details. So yeah... Maybe one day there'll be an episode dedicated to it. 😀
@@AIandGames Cool! Hope you guys do. It’d certaintly be interesting to watch. LOVE your guy’s work.
Modern ai in most AAA games dont hold up to halo 3 ai
Absolutely true.
The Marines in Halo 3 were fuckin' good. And seeing many of 'em working together is pretty cool.
Behavioral Trees were around before Halo :D
I think you need to Google the word 'proliferation'.
@@AIandGames burn xxxD
Halo 3 is the GOAT no questions
Halo 3=Best Game
1:17 song?
Halo 1 main menu theme song
@@abualzuaree
thanks
Sorry, I usually add the music credits in my video description. I've only just realised they're missing for this episode.
1:17 is 'Impart' from the Halo 2 Anniversary OST.
@@AIandGames
thanks bro
I stopped caring halfway through and muted the video but kept watching because I love seeing halo 3 footage
Okay but why was the friendly AI so bad? I mean seriously it was the worst I've ever seen in a game. I can't tell you how many times they'd drive the car off a cliff or park it perfectly in the enemies' line of fire and get us blown up.
You keep mentioning these "tasks" that squads execute but never give examples???
The background footage are examples
In that case every task appears to be shooting at the player lmfao.
I assume the tasks include things such as making sure there are vehicles/turrets with enemies in them, having enemies stay in particular areas (i.e towers, near doors, in particular open spaces (this may also apply to those IN vehicles)) and having enemies stay within squads of their own (i.e 3 grunts to 1 elite, keeping jackals in groups, having brutes stick together, having a certain amount of drones clinging to a surface so they aren't unmanageable, etc.)
But that's just my opinion, I really don't know.
Are you going to do a video on RDR2
Sadly no. They don't let staff talk about crunch conditions much less how their AI works.
Halo 1's AI still holds up very well today. Don't believe me? Go watch garishgoblin rigged videos.
the flood AI is one of the worst and annoying fights. Just charging in.
That's what they were thinking.
It changes your playstyle so you can have a breath of fresh air from the covenant. If it was covenant only you would get a bit bored after fighting the same enemy. Not that reach was boring, but not as super well designed as the originals in this aspect. Same thing is with veichle battles, air battles, close quarters to big scale alternation.
Granted that halo 1 went too far with flood maybe with Keys and the maw having too many proportionally to the covenant, but for halo 3 it was perfect
Yeah right halo 2 isn’t unbalanced and the only command is KILL PLAYER!
Have you ever been one shotted by a sniper jackal.
It’s a schame that ai in older games are smarter than games in 2020 just why :/ i fucking hate fps games with stupid ai especially cod it’s hard to find anything good half life has decent ai or fear 1
Are u Irish?
Scottish
I think Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, and Halo Reach did a fantastic job of this. I really enjoyed Halo 4 and 5, (while I was playing as chief that is) and they had some decent large-scale battles but I do feel that they just did not hit the same level of being down in the trenches with lots of your soldiers and enemy soldiers around you. They did have their large-scale moments but they still fell short of the previous games. That's something I hope they can remedy in Halo 6
Interesting you cite chief levels. Blueteam is a good level but osiris have 2 of the best level design segments of the game ls campaign in the sanhelios introduction and the capitol.
I don't like/get the premier feature. By the it goes live I will have probably forgotten about it... Video sounds interesting though!
Fair enough. Given launching a video is a time consuming process - given I have written versions going live on my own website and Gamasutra, social media updates, Patreon updates etc - having the option to announce and schedule a video appeals to me. So figured I'd try it out .
Given I'm on the road for work all weekend including the day the video goes live I'm happy I can use it.
That's why there's a reminder feature ;)
@@AIandGames No intent to criticize the video itself of course! I also understand that people want to know when the next video will be there. It's just that whenever I stumble upon a premier in my feed I think "oh neat! - oh it's not actually there yet..", so I would rather hear about the video when it's done. But I'll survive it ;)
will youtube bump it back at the one on the subscriptions feed once it goes live ? If not I will totaly miss it because I watch everything as it's released from that page and don't trust the homepage with anything I am subscribed to.
Yes it should get treated as a fresh new video (including notifying subscribers) on Monday.
Fuck, now I have to play halo 3 for the 400th time because it’s such a good game
They're called pelicans, not pelican'ts.
He has an accent
@@Highrollinhunter It's an old joke.
That Halo theme brought a tear to my eye. That music always got me pumped.
Now if only Bungie, put those large scale AI Battles into the Multiplayer side, I'd die a happy man
I watched your halo 2 ai video on behavior trees and I got to say, your videos are still great! I want to become a game developer that primarily focuses on AI programming in video games.
Best of luck to you!
Really interesting and informative! AI is a very fascinating subject to be, mainly because it's tricky for me to wrap my head around. I feel like you presented the points very clearly and explained them well!
There's only a handful of points, 3:53, and 5:25 in particular, that I felt like could use a simple visual to get the point across. Other than that, the visuals you provide at 1:36 (and the other tree-related visuals), 4:06, 5:46, and 7:22 are excellent, and really help to better explain how the systems work!
All-in-all, I loved this video! I feel like you have a very informed, educated way of approaching the subject without overwhelming the viewer.
I havent watched this yet, but before i di. Halo 2 ai marines were the best. They wouldnt drive you off cliffs.
Just found this channel. Not a game developer… but love games and technology. I really really appreciate the level of planning that went into each of these videos. Here’s to hoping that, like many other channels that have found recent success during the pandemic, your view counts on all your videos continue to grow as more folks learn about your channel.
Sadly it's actually had something of an opposite effect, with views overall down by quite a bit this year. However, it's always great when people find the channel and get excited by the content. Any sharing etc. is always appreciated! 🙂
What always gets ignored is how the game changes when you play the game to help the soldiers u fight with. When you pick on the enemies who target the friendlies they get more confident.
This was just the kind of stuff I wanted to learn about the AI in halo 3, more than once I noticed how unnaturally well they cooperated, my suspiciouns were right, thank you for making this video!
Love the video, but they still can't make multiplayer offline ai :( i would've still been playing halo to this day, if they did
I started learning python this semester and this is all beyond me lol.
Great work as always!
halo 3 has the best friendly ai by far. and some of the best enemy ai
very nice
cool and good
I should watch this video! You got my name wrong in at least one place though. :)
Indeed my apologies, I've just noticed the typo! Somehow from my notes to video editor I managed to screw it up. 😅😐☹
Nice soundtrack reference :)
Please do Halo Reach it has the best A.I in any game I’ve ever seen especially the elites
It's a common request. I don't have anything for now on Reach, but you never know!
I believe Halo Reach AI is basically the same as Halo 3. I personally liked Halo 3's AI more because the Covenant speak English. That way you knew what they were trying to do. You knew that they are retreating when the Brute Commander shouts "Fall Back!" for example.
Oh sure, let's go ahead and venerate *THE* series that killed off multiplayer AI on consoles. Sure Perfect Dark, Timesplitters, XIII and Nightfire were pushing the boundaries of dynamic, situational AI, but nah, fuck em. Halo instead.
Sorry, you must have this mistaken for a Call of Duty video.
Oh no- Halo killed off console multiplayer AI years before COD appeared in 2005
It's can't be overstated. When you say that it can't be understated you're saying that no matter what you say about something it's too much. It implies gross incompetence in whatever you're describing. Otherwise, excellent video!
2007??? And this video came out 2 years ago??????? Holy Jesus what is life...
Your channel is awesome def got me too sub! Keep it up these are high quality honestly.
A little advice but you should rename this channel to something that represents all technical field related to games and not just AI i.e. game engine analysis sound design etc. and make videos about them too if it is fine with you.
Please do a video on the battles in the Star Wars Battlefront series.
Mark brought me here!
Pretty sure I owe GMTK commission at this point.
This was very informative. Well done.
halo 3? ai? 2018? shit yea
why can't I have another game like Halo: Combat Evolved on PC, why this damnation? I would accept even a remastered version!
Your wish has been granted
What killed you at 3:15
Intro music fire
Ever think about making a half life video?
It's certainly something I could look at in the future. Provided I find all the resources I need to do it right.
I find the A.I. in Halo: Reach a lot more polished and complex, I always played all the Halo games in Legendary, playing a lower level always felt too easy.