Paul, such and unbelievably good job and you're such a pro! Your enthusiasm is contagious man :D This model has been of particular interest to me because I once owned a 8" solid tire Splach Twin which I really enjoyed. I always thought that they needed to make an updated version of the Twin with 9"-10" pneumatic tires, (modern) hinged stem latch with non-telescoping handlebars, disc brakes, LED's instead of acrylic tubes and updated controls / display. Well, my goodness, we got all of that but they went from 48 to 52V system, 748Wh to 811Wh battery, 600W to 800W nominal motors, 20A to 23A controllers, 28 to 35ish mph, improved fenders and not just disc brakes but HDB's! Of course there's no free lunch and it went from 53.6lbs to 65.4lbs. Now I realize that it's not a "Twin V2" but for a person who's always wanted a modernized Splach Twin, this has been the closest model to that idea since the Twin was introduced, especially if you go with the 9" wheel option which is 2-3lbs lighter. I think it's a hit!
Thank you so much! Your detailed knowledge of scooters and their model-history always blows me away. Here’s something strange though. The version I tested has tubeless tires, but they’re switching to tubes soon. I had to go back at the last minute and chop out the four times I mentioned the tubeless tires. I even did a leak test where I jabbed it with a nail and checked for leaks, but we took that out too since it’s not relevant. -Paul
At this time, I think there are three video on TH-cam for this model but you're the only person so far to decipher the mode switching steps. That's not how Splach have traditionally stepped their modes so I'm hoping this is an initial batch issue "thing." Normally the eco/turbo button provides 3 different output levels in eco and 3 different output levels in turbo. Thank you for the ESG certified weight testing as well, only one other channel is currently verifying weights. With regards to range, I think this is one of those scooters that takes a big hit due to its top end. I suspect that if you rode it around at Ninebot Max G2 speeds, we'd probably see 30+ miles. That would make for a fun video... like a shorter version of your VX4 video. That was a blast to watch.
Thanks so much! I gave them feedback on the modes and they’re looking into it. I love weighing the scooters and I’m so surprised no one else does it. We’ve been using the same scale for all scooters for 4 years now and I’ll occasionally go back and plop something like the Wolf King GT on there to make sure nothing has changed. It always matches the old measurements, so calibration is staying locked in. The King GT was one that sticks in my head because the spec weight and actual were about 10lbs apart! -Paul
I love how you guys make reviews on e-scoots, because you really deep dive into it. But I hope soon, you will make a video about e-scoot maintenance. Like how many miles your tires could last. How many charging cycles can the battery handles before it goes bad. Rusting and how to prevent it. Stuff like that. I saw a video of a guy's Segway GT2 snapping in half just about 3000Kms (1864 miles). Thank you guys. We appreciate videos you make!
Thanks so much for the suggestion. We’ll keep thinking about how we could do something like this. I talk about the difficulty of putting thousands of miles on hundreds of scooters in our reliability video. Thanks for the heads up on the GT2 video. I need to go check that out. I’ve always considered Segway scooters among the best engineered scooters out there, so I’m curious if this was a one-off mistake in building, rider abuse, or a systematic problem. Segway recently issued a voluntary recall on a small batch of P100S scooters. So they seem to be on top of it when there’s a manufacturing problem. -Paul th-cam.com/video/LqelldJilSk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JfW5d6hbsynfuoY0
I own a kukirin g2 master and think it could out perform most of the scooters you've tested. Its pretty basic with regards to brakes and features such as no key or nfc connectivity. Its got 2 1000w motors which have alot of torque and ive had 38mph out of it. Hits top speed very quickly and eats up hills like they are nothing. Great review of the splach 👍
i'm about to bite the bullet and just get the kukirin g2 master although i REALLY want the ausom leopard dt1 pro. should i stay away from the kukirin g2 master? or get it!
@@doingbigthings9781 yeah that’s why I didn’t pull the trigger on the ZT3, this has better specs overall just not the GT2 like aesthetic which I find appealing but not worth sacrificing potential performance for.
Thanks so much. The Mukuta 10+ looks similar but not the same. I just had a look and I see spring suspension rather than rubber. We are covering some new ground this winter. We did Circooter last week and I saw a Kukirin box show up the other day! I wasn’t expecting that! -Paul
Please please please do a video on the 72v version of the nanrobot ls7+. I am really curious on how it compares to others and i am planning on getting it
Great suggestion! I’ve been wanting to do the ls7+ for a long time. We haven’t had good luck keeping in touch with Nanrobot in the USA for the last 4 years. They pop up, we hear from them and then they go quiet again. -Paul
You know, I looked at the Splach Twin before they lowered its top speed from 30 + mph down to 28 mph. I wasn't sure of Splach's overall reliability since I've heard about its controller and throttle issues. The Thunder 10 looks like a Chinese Titan scooter copy, of course!
Got my Thunder 10 yesterday. Your excellent review validated my purchase. Awesome scooter! Did you ever figure out how to mount an air tag or find the secret air tag location?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I just got mine as well. I have a 9 version and a 10. The 9 has the air tag location and I can’t find the location on the 10.
You guys gonna cover the Punk Rider scooters? Apollo knock-off sure, but a little more effort than the sea of these "parts bin" options(No shade, good specs/components for the money, but...)
It’s possible. It would make more sense. It didnt feel like it wanted to go there, but I didn’t get in there and try. I’ll have a look this week. -Paul
How do you guys do it 😂 I’ve been all over the internet looking for reviews for this thing! Looks sick! Sad about the shipping and the lack of official UL rating because I live in NYC but am genuinely concerned about leaving something on the charger and waking up the following day not at the pearly gates…Thanks for all you do!
Thanks so much for watching the whole video! It’s a really nice looking scooter and I was genuinely surprised by the specs for the price! I was really surprised not to find any other reviews on the Thunder 10 when I looked. I could only find the Thunder 9 which is mostly the same, but you never know what changes. For example this one I tested has tubeless tires, but I ended up editing that out because the tires are switching to tubes soon. Not sure why. -Paul
@ Awesome! Can’t wait for your next review! Sidebar…Any of the review units or scooters you own ever have stem failure or cracked at stem or base in any place? On the commuter scooter I assume that means dispose of it right?
I measured the handlebars as 38.25 inches above the deck which is not that high. It’s about the same as Dualtron used for ages though. So it’s not awful, for you height-wise, but also not ideal. I’m 5’ 10” and it was fine during the range test, but my favorite bar height is about 40”. -Paul
Are those Converse canvas basketball high tops? I've been riding e-scooters since the beginning of the pandemic and I still haven't decided if it is best use low top shoes for flexibility like when e-skateboards or high tops like I use for E-unicyle for leverage (and ankle padding).
I really prefer high tops when riding scooters. When I worked for Lime and Skip in their scooter warehouses, my ankles would get destroyed in low tops. These are Converse slip-on high tops. Really, I should be wearing lace-up leather shoes when riding , to protect my ankle bones from scraping on the ground if I fall off at speed. That’s a rule I follow when riding motorcycles. -Paul
I've got a Solar, so better suspension, lighter, headlight up high, solid folding handlebars and less expensive, this looks like a very good replacement. Their site states 65lbs, so about the same as the Solar. Too bad. A nice fast 50lbs scooter would be nice.
Thank you so much for the suggestion. You’ll be happy to know that I saw a box from Kukirin show up yesterday! Our first one! I’m not sure when I’ll get to testing it, but it shouldn’t be too long. -Paul
Can still work if u used it when raining and snowing? Wondering what escooter to get for me to use with that kind of weather conditions since ill be using it for commuting
I agree. IP54 was standard or even considered good a couple years ago, but I wouldn’t plan to ride in the rain with IP54. The further along we get with electric scooters, the more conservative I get about what you could ride every day in the rain without a problem. I’ve ridden motorcycles in the rain without fear for 30 years. For scooters, I would want IPX6 or higher before planned rain riding. Even then there’s risk since no one covers water damage under warranty. -Paul
I just ordered the thunder 10, I plan to commute with it in all weather. If it dies, it dies, I'll learn and get something with ipx6. In my mind it's completely unacceptable that any electric scooter would not be designed around all-weather riding, otherwise it's kind of useless unless used in the desert, but I really wanted hydraulic discs and something strong enough to get me around and be able to keep up with city traffic in hilly areas, and also not weigh 100 lbs. So, yolo, I'll report back in a couple months/years. Hopefully by the time it dies there will be something ipx6 with hydraulic disc brakes and about 50 lbs.
I’ve scoured their site and manual and they don’t say. It’s surprising how few companies disclose what cells they use. For example, I’ve never seen Segway disclose which cells they use. -Paul
I don’t think we’re getting that one. From what I understand, performance should be identical with the KQi 100P that I reviewed, except for the bars, of course. Let me know if there are any other differences though, I haven’t read up on the F since the P review and there wasn’t anything out there at the time. -Paul Here’s our review of the KQi 100P th-cam.com/video/cZEpDJ8hGiU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hiMxrAVCP-M1TnuB
Has everything that you would want if you are a commuter or a recreational rider. And for the money.... great value. But like some of the entry level scooters, there is no way to upgrade the suspension.
True that you can’t upgrade it, but the good news is that the stock suspension works well. I’m a big fan of rubber suspension because it acts as a spring and also provides damping for the suspension on top of being very progressive (gets harder the further you squish it), so it’s self adjusting for heavier riders. -Paul
Should I choose this over a Gx2 from Gotrax? Im in the middle of buying my first Electric Scooter, and im looking for something fast and not too pricey, probably around 1000-1200 dollars.
Definitely watch our review of the GX1 and GX2 when you get a chance as well as our long term review. Performance is extremely similar. The Thunder 10 is 10 lbs lighter, probably due to the suspension design, and the GX2 has 20% more range in our range test (24.7 miles vs 20.2 both in sport mode). It's a tough call. I'd say it depends on which is more important portability (Thunder 10) or range (GX2). -Paul th-cam.com/video/GlQOt9Oi9cM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EOKbO8IAuv1Su32V th-cam.com/video/uBOMFgBm9Hs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QYb3yDhRFoEW08WP
Thanks so much for the suggestion. We probably won’t test another Weped any time soon. They make them in very small numbers and only build one if someone orders one, so every order has an owner before the scooter it built. This makes it difficult to get a loaner unit for testing unless we know someone locally who has one. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide have you ever tested a Weped scooter? i will watch it. Can you do Ninebot F2 Pro then? I have one, and i want you to test it too. keep in mind, Europe region is limited to 25kmh, German region is limited to 22kmh, and US goes up to 32kmh. don't forget to say this because region locks are very important, people think it goes 32kmh but when they buy the scooter they get lower speeds in other countries. Don't forget to say this if you're making a review about the F2 Pro
We got a Weped for our Fastest Scooters video, but it never worked, It's still here somewhere. Mitchell tested the F2 Pro for our channel a while back, but I can't remember if he talked about the regional differences. That's a good point. We should really make a chart whenever we talk about Segway scooters in particular. -Paul F2 Pro review th-cam.com/video/18BQGRW2nMY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s6UUTsd6fvjSEPE4
You should be careful about suggesting using higher current chargers. The battery packs are rated for certain charge rates. If you exceed these you can cause a failure or worse fire. Likely the pack can handle 4 amps, however this really needs to be researched prior to getting another charger. Again this is an important safety issue. Also for scooters that are UL rated, they are rated as an entire system, including the charger charge rate.
You’d be surprised how fast you have to charge to get into the danger zone. Unless you’re approaching 2 hours you’re not shortening the life of the cells. They’re discharging faster than that while riding. It’s a good point that some connectors aren’t engineered for more current. Presumably a fast charger wouldn’t be offered for sale with more current than its connector can handle, but I suppose that’s possible. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Scooters are now UL certified as an entire system. This includes the charging amperage. I am not sure that the discharge current capacity exactly equates to the charge current limitations. That would depend upon the BMS and the cell design and how they interact. In any case when messing with LiIon battery systems you are literally "playing with fire". Sure you may be fine, however, the impact of a mistake can be catastrophic. Is it really worth it?
I newly became interested in electric scooters. During my search, I keep coming across the Ausom Gallop, which SEEMS to be very similar to this one. Can anyone tell me how that compares to the one in this video?
We haven't tested any of the scooters from that brand yet. The spec looks similar. The biggest difference I see is the suspension on the Splach Thunder 10 is rubber suspension similar to what they use on Dualtrons. -Paul
Nice video. I was debating on the punk rider pro while in the market for a dual motor scooter for under 1K. I’ll consider this. Nice that it has regen brakes How stable is the stem? Looks friable respectfully stating
It’s amazing how much better scooters get every year. Segway doesn’t always lead on speed per dollar or range per dollar, but often wins on tech per dollar and reliability per dollar. They have been investing a lot into those two areas. You can really see it in the ZT3 Pro. They kept it a little more reserved on the Ninebot MAX G2, but I feel like that’s because the Max G30 did so well and they didn’t want to depart too much from a formula which was already winning. -Paul
kukirin g2 master is faster thank me later i have it wonderful machine ive ridden a few e scooters not one that goes 40mph for a scooter u can pick up for sub 800 usd on a sale
I have to agree here. The G2 master is so much fun🤟🤟. Have had it for 3 months and 800 Miles on it. Had a flat on the front wheel but super easy to change/work on. Highly recommend..
In my limited experience ip ratings are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Some will state an ip rating but it doesnt hold up to the rating in real life situations
IP54? I am baffled why they still keep releasing escooters that aren't waterproof, annoying thing is that splach has some really great products but with IP54 they belong in the trash really
That used to be state of the art in about 2020. I feel like companies are getting more honest about their IP ratings though. So while the numbers haven’t been climbing that much, I feel like water resistance has been getting better and better. -Paul
I don’t think it has though, the amount of escooters with IP54 on the market is huge, these are outdoor vehicles so they need to have adequate protection, not only they cost a lot of money but from a safety point they really should be waterproof. I noticed Apollo is one of the very few brands that actually cares about IP ratings I just don’t find their scooters very portable.
Looks a little Power Rangers somehow. All that wasted dash space for ... Watts. I guess it IS Power Ranger. Hey, we need battery, speed less so, black and white to enable use of sun glasses and tinted shield, highest possible contrast, not brightness. Little kids don't pay for scooters, people with an objective to achieve pay for scooters.
Some of my favorite displays are just the big e-bike style black and white displays. Especially the reverse displays where the background is white and the numbers are black. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide honestly I knew that. Lol just wanted to raz us bit for not considering us Canadians when saying things like "for under $1000". 😈
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Is it tubeless? Did I miss that somewhere?
Why is this type of suspension your favorite ?
And my Q06 pro is about the same price and does 55mph you should check it out if you haven’t already !
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Paul, such and unbelievably good job and you're such a pro! Your enthusiasm is contagious man :D This model has been of particular interest to me because I once owned a 8" solid tire Splach Twin which I really enjoyed. I always thought that they needed to make an updated version of the Twin with 9"-10" pneumatic tires, (modern) hinged stem latch with non-telescoping handlebars, disc brakes, LED's instead of acrylic tubes and updated controls / display. Well, my goodness, we got all of that but they went from 48 to 52V system, 748Wh to 811Wh battery, 600W to 800W nominal motors, 20A to 23A controllers, 28 to 35ish mph, improved fenders and not just disc brakes but HDB's! Of course there's no free lunch and it went from 53.6lbs to 65.4lbs. Now I realize that it's not a "Twin V2" but for a person who's always wanted a modernized Splach Twin, this has been the closest model to that idea since the Twin was introduced, especially if you go with the 9" wheel option which is 2-3lbs lighter. I think it's a hit!
Thank you so much! Your detailed knowledge of scooters and their model-history always blows me away.
Here’s something strange though. The version I tested has tubeless tires, but they’re switching to tubes soon. I had to go back at the last minute and chop out the four times I mentioned the tubeless tires. I even did a leak test where I jabbed it with a nail and checked for leaks, but we took that out too since it’s not relevant.
-Paul
At this time, I think there are three video on TH-cam for this model but you're the only person so far to decipher the mode switching steps. That's not how Splach have traditionally stepped their modes so I'm hoping this is an initial batch issue "thing." Normally the eco/turbo button provides 3 different output levels in eco and 3 different output levels in turbo. Thank you for the ESG certified weight testing as well, only one other channel is currently verifying weights. With regards to range, I think this is one of those scooters that takes a big hit due to its top end. I suspect that if you rode it around at Ninebot Max G2 speeds, we'd probably see 30+ miles. That would make for a fun video... like a shorter version of your VX4 video. That was a blast to watch.
Thanks so much! I gave them feedback on the modes and they’re looking into it.
I love weighing the scooters and I’m so surprised no one else does it. We’ve been using the same scale for all scooters for 4 years now and I’ll occasionally go back and plop something like the Wolf King GT on there to make sure nothing has changed. It always matches the old measurements, so calibration is staying locked in.
The King GT was one that sticks in my head because the spec weight and actual were about 10lbs apart! -Paul
I love how you guys make reviews on e-scoots, because you really deep dive into it.
But I hope soon, you will make a video about e-scoot maintenance.
Like how many miles your tires could last. How many charging cycles can the battery handles before it goes bad. Rusting and how to prevent it. Stuff like that.
I saw a video of a guy's Segway GT2 snapping in half just about 3000Kms (1864 miles).
Thank you guys. We appreciate videos you make!
Thanks so much for the suggestion. We’ll keep thinking about how we could do something like this. I talk about the difficulty of putting thousands of miles on hundreds of scooters in our reliability video. Thanks for the heads up on the GT2 video. I need to go check that out. I’ve always considered Segway scooters among the best engineered scooters out there, so I’m curious if this was a one-off mistake in building, rider abuse, or a systematic problem. Segway recently issued a voluntary recall on a small batch of P100S scooters. So they seem to be on top of it when there’s a manufacturing problem.
-Paul
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Now do cheapest scooters that has high performance
I own a kukirin g2 master and think it could out perform most of the scooters you've tested. Its pretty basic with regards to brakes and features such as no key or nfc connectivity. Its got 2 1000w motors which have alot of torque and ive had 38mph out of it. Hits top speed very quickly and eats up hills like they are nothing.
Great review of the splach 👍
Thank you so much. I just saw that our first Kukirin scooter arrived last week. I’m not sure which one it is yet, but we’ll test it soon. -Paul
i'm about to bite the bullet and just get the kukirin g2 master although i REALLY want the ausom leopard dt1 pro. should i stay away from the kukirin g2 master? or get it!
Nice work Paul..thanks again.
You're welcome!
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks Paul. Enjoy the wkend
I think I finally found my scooter
Happy we could help!
-Paul
As someone who was just about to pull the trigger on a ZT3 I’m also thinking this may be my next scooter
@@DerbyMods don't do it . Single motor . This will destroy zt3
@@doingbigthings9781 yeah that’s why I didn’t pull the trigger on the ZT3, this has better specs overall just not the GT2 like aesthetic which I find appealing but not worth sacrificing potential performance for.
you should add a time established riding metric for the range test
Thanks for the feedback. Can you elaborate? Do you mean how many hours? -Paul
Kaboo would like their mantis king gt back😄
Time to review the Mukuta 10+! 😅 it's the same company and factory if I'm not mistaken! Come on! 😊
*nice detailed review, Paul! 👏
Thanks so much. The Mukuta 10+ looks similar but not the same. I just had a look and I see spring suspension rather than rubber.
We are covering some new ground this winter. We did Circooter last week and I saw a Kukirin box show up the other day! I wasn’t expecting that! -Paul
Please please please do a video on the 72v version of the nanrobot ls7+. I am really curious on how it compares to others and i am planning on getting it
Great suggestion! I’ve been wanting to do the ls7+ for a long time. We haven’t had good luck keeping in touch with Nanrobot in the USA for the last 4 years. They pop up, we hear from them and then they go quiet again. -Paul
You know, I looked at the Splach Twin before they lowered its top speed from 30 + mph down to 28 mph. I wasn't sure of Splach's overall reliability since I've heard about its controller and throttle issues. The Thunder 10 looks like a Chinese Titan scooter copy, of course!
Thanks for the feedback!
Got my Thunder 10 yesterday. Your excellent review validated my purchase. Awesome scooter! Did you ever figure out how to mount an air tag or find the secret air tag location?
Not yet!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I just got mine as well. I have a 9 version and a 10. The 9 has the air tag location and I can’t find the location on the 10.
You guys gonna cover the Punk Rider scooters? Apollo knock-off sure, but a little more effort than the sea of these "parts bin" options(No shade, good specs/components for the money, but...)
Thanks for the suggestion! I’m not sure. If we do it will be a while because we don’t have the scooter on hand. -Paul
Is that fender defender not for the front fender? Its flexable and maybe wont interfere witht he steerage.
It’s possible. It would make more sense. It didnt feel like it wanted to go there, but I didn’t get in there and try. I’ll have a look this week. -Paul
How do you guys do it 😂 I’ve been all over the internet looking for reviews for this thing! Looks sick! Sad about the shipping and the lack of official UL rating because I live in NYC but am genuinely concerned about leaving something on the charger and waking up the following day not at the pearly gates…Thanks for all you do!
Thanks so much for watching the whole video! It’s a really nice looking scooter and I was genuinely surprised by the specs for the price! I was really surprised not to find any other reviews on the Thunder 10 when I looked. I could only find the Thunder 9 which is mostly the same, but you never know what changes. For example this one I tested has tubeless tires, but I ended up editing that out because the tires are switching to tubes soon. Not sure why. -Paul
@ Awesome! Can’t wait for your next review! Sidebar…Any of the review units or scooters you own ever have stem failure or cracked at stem or base in any place? On the commuter scooter I assume that means dispose of it right?
is the stem high enough for someone who's 6 ft tall?
I measured the handlebars as 38.25 inches above the deck which is not that high. It’s about the same as Dualtron used for ages though. So it’s not awful, for you height-wise, but also not ideal. I’m 5’ 10” and it was fine during the range test, but my favorite bar height is about 40”. -Paul
Can you review the Joyor S10?
Are those Converse canvas basketball high tops? I've been riding e-scooters since the beginning of the pandemic and I still haven't decided if it is best use low top shoes for flexibility like when e-skateboards or high tops like I use for E-unicyle for leverage (and ankle padding).
I really prefer high tops when riding scooters. When I worked for Lime and Skip in their scooter warehouses, my ankles would get destroyed in low tops.
These are Converse slip-on high tops. Really, I should be wearing lace-up leather shoes when riding , to protect my ankle bones from scraping on the ground if I fall off at speed. That’s a rule I follow when riding motorcycles. -Paul
I've got a Solar, so better suspension, lighter, headlight up high, solid folding handlebars and less expensive, this looks like a very good replacement.
Their site states 65lbs, so about the same as the Solar. Too bad. A nice fast 50lbs scooter would be nice.
That weight is pretty accurate. The ESG tested weight is 65.4 lbs. -Paul
Can you test kurkirin they are very cheap
Thank you so much for the suggestion. You’ll be happy to know that I saw a box from Kukirin show up yesterday! Our first one!
I’m not sure when I’ll get to testing it, but it shouldn’t be too long. -Paul
You guys should review the kukirin g2 master. i've heard amazing things about it. its 1k and has dual 1000w motors. has a claimed range of 43.8 miles.
Can still work if u used it when raining and snowing? Wondering what escooter to get for me to use with that kind of weather conditions since ill be using it for commuting
It's IP54 so wouldn't recommend.
I agree. IP54 was standard or even considered good a couple years ago, but I wouldn’t plan to ride in the rain with IP54. The further along we get with electric scooters, the more conservative I get about what you could ride every day in the rain without a problem. I’ve ridden motorcycles in the rain without fear for 30 years. For scooters, I would want IPX6 or higher before planned rain riding. Even then there’s risk since no one covers water damage under warranty. -Paul
I just ordered the thunder 10, I plan to commute with it in all weather. If it dies, it dies, I'll learn and get something with ipx6. In my mind it's completely unacceptable that any electric scooter would not be designed around all-weather riding, otherwise it's kind of useless unless used in the desert, but I really wanted hydraulic discs and something strong enough to get me around and be able to keep up with city traffic in hilly areas, and also not weigh 100 lbs. So, yolo, I'll report back in a couple months/years. Hopefully by the time it dies there will be something ipx6 with hydraulic disc brakes and about 50 lbs.
Does dual motor mean both wheels are powered? Or is only the rear motor powered? For off road, do you recommend any hill climb scooters?
Both motors
ElectricScooterGuide, would you do a review on KingSong scooters?
Possibly
If the battery is totally dead, could you still coast down a hill on it and still use the brakes as needed?
Yes.
It’s a little tall to use as a kick scooter, where you kick and coast, but even that’s doable in a pinch. Riding down hill is 100% ok.
-Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, Paul. 👍
I can’t find on their site the brand of the battery. I don’t want it to explode so I would only buy a scooter with an LG or Samsung battery.
I’ve scoured their site and manual and they don’t say. It’s surprising how few companies disclose what cells they use. For example, I’ve never seen Segway disclose which cells they use. -Paul
Me too, I always turn down electric scooters that have batteries coming straight outta China 😂💀
Any plans on reviewing the Niu kqi100f with foldable handlebars?
I don’t think we’re getting that one. From what I understand, performance should be identical with the KQi 100P that I reviewed, except for the bars, of course. Let me know if there are any other differences though, I haven’t read up on the F since the P review and there wasn’t anything out there at the time. -Paul
Here’s our review of the KQi 100P
th-cam.com/video/cZEpDJ8hGiU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hiMxrAVCP-M1TnuB
Has everything that you would want if you are a commuter or a recreational rider.
And for the money.... great value.
But like some of the entry level scooters, there is no way to upgrade the suspension.
True that you can’t upgrade it, but the good news is that the stock suspension works well. I’m a big fan of rubber suspension because it acts as a spring and also provides damping for the suspension on top of being very progressive (gets harder the further you squish it), so it’s self adjusting for heavier riders. -Paul
Should I choose this over a Gx2 from Gotrax? Im in the middle of buying my first Electric Scooter, and im looking for something fast and not too pricey, probably around 1000-1200 dollars.
Definitely watch our review of the GX1 and GX2 when you get a chance as well as our long term review.
Performance is extremely similar. The Thunder 10 is 10 lbs lighter, probably due to the suspension design, and the GX2 has 20% more range in our range test (24.7 miles vs 20.2 both in sport mode).
It's a tough call. I'd say it depends on which is more important portability (Thunder 10) or range (GX2).
-Paul
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@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thank you for your help! Since im mainly looking for a scooter to ride around for fun, im ordering the Gx2!
PLEASE try the WEPED SONIC S DUAL E-SCOOTER
Thanks so much for the suggestion. We probably won’t test another Weped any time soon. They make them in very small numbers and only build one if someone orders one, so every order has an owner before the scooter it built. This makes it difficult to get a loaner unit for testing unless we know someone locally who has one. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide have you ever tested a Weped scooter? i will watch it. Can you do Ninebot F2 Pro then? I have one, and i want you to test it too. keep in mind, Europe region is limited to 25kmh, German region is limited to 22kmh, and US goes up to 32kmh. don't forget to say this because region locks are very important, people think it goes 32kmh but when they buy the scooter they get lower speeds in other countries. Don't forget to say this if you're making a review about the F2 Pro
We got a Weped for our Fastest Scooters video, but it never worked, It's still here somewhere.
Mitchell tested the F2 Pro for our channel a while back, but I can't remember if he talked about the regional differences. That's a good point. We should really make a chart whenever we talk about Segway scooters in particular. -Paul
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@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, I don't think he talked about regional differences
Sweet just saw the airdrop!
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You should be careful about suggesting using higher current chargers. The battery packs are rated for certain charge rates. If you exceed these you can cause a failure or worse fire. Likely the pack can handle 4 amps, however this really needs to be researched prior to getting another charger. Again this is an important safety issue. Also for scooters that are UL rated, they are rated as an entire system, including the charger charge rate.
You’d be surprised how fast you have to charge to get into the danger zone. Unless you’re approaching 2 hours you’re not shortening the life of the cells. They’re discharging faster than that while riding.
It’s a good point that some connectors aren’t engineered for more current. Presumably a fast charger wouldn’t be offered for sale with more current than its connector can handle, but I suppose that’s possible.
-Paul
Ya its not the batteries fault when you disregard basic limitations out of ignorance.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Scooters are now UL certified as an entire system. This includes the charging amperage. I am not sure that the discharge current capacity exactly equates to the charge current limitations. That would depend upon the BMS and the cell design and how they interact. In any case when messing with LiIon battery systems you are literally "playing with fire". Sure you may be fine, however, the impact of a mistake can be catastrophic. Is it really worth it?
I newly became interested in electric scooters. During my search, I keep coming across the Ausom Gallop, which SEEMS to be very similar to this one. Can anyone tell me how that compares to the one in this video?
We have not reviewed that brand!
We haven't tested any of the scooters from that brand yet. The spec looks similar. The biggest difference I see is the suspension on the Splach Thunder 10 is rubber suspension similar to what they use on Dualtrons. -Paul
Thank you! Is having a rubber suspension a pro or con, in the world of E-scooters?
Looks kinda like a leoout sx10 but it might just be the color scheme
I had a look. It’s just the color scheme. The SX10 has spring suspension and a few different things I can see. -Paul
Nice video. I was debating on the punk rider pro while in the market for a dual motor scooter for under 1K.
I’ll consider this. Nice that it has regen brakes
How stable is the stem? Looks friable respectfully stating
We have not reviewed it!
The stem feels good. The security pin is steel and goes through a steel insert inside of the stem. -Paul
Mine dose 40mph cost me £630 dual motor 2400watts 21amp
Man..... Segway really needs to up their game. These new Scooter companies are getting better.
It’s amazing how much better scooters get every year. Segway doesn’t always lead on speed per dollar or range per dollar, but often wins on tech per dollar and reliability per dollar. They have been investing a lot into those two areas. You can really see it in the ZT3 Pro. They kept it a little more reserved on the Ninebot MAX G2, but I feel like that’s because the Max G30 did so well and they didn’t want to depart too much from a formula which was already winning. -Paul
kukirin g2 master is faster thank me later i have it wonderful machine ive ridden a few e scooters not one that goes 40mph for a scooter u can pick up for sub 800 usd on a sale
Thanks for the suggestion. We’re testing our first Kukirin soon, but I’m not sure which one. -Paul
I have to agree here. The G2 master is so much fun🤟🤟. Have had it for 3 months and 800 Miles on it. Had a flat on the front wheel but super easy to change/work on. Highly recommend..
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i would suggest the g3 pro or the g2 master! G4 is good but is single motor personally i say the g2 master!
@ForzaFanatic1 Where can you find the G2 Master for sub 800 USD? I see 1000 USD off of their US website as a special Black Friday Sale.
@@brianchang3442 i found it locally in the uae
Do everybody a favor in your videos when you're reviewing a scooter always give the IP rating and the maximum low
Thanks for the feedback. IP rating is on screen and mentioned at around 9:05 and max rider weight is on screen at 1:03
-Paul
In my limited experience ip ratings are to be taken with a pinch of salt. Some will state an ip rating but it doesnt hold up to the rating in real life situations
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Thanks Teddy!
Always so good to see you! You never miss!
-Paul
IP54? I am baffled why they still keep releasing escooters that aren't waterproof, annoying thing is that splach has some really great products but with IP54 they belong in the trash really
That used to be state of the art in about 2020. I feel like companies are getting more honest about their IP ratings though. So while the numbers haven’t been climbing that much, I feel like water resistance has been getting better and better. -Paul
I don’t think it has though, the amount of escooters with IP54 on the market is huge, these are outdoor vehicles so they need to have adequate protection, not only they cost a lot of money but from a safety point they really should be waterproof. I noticed Apollo is one of the very few brands that actually cares about IP ratings I just don’t find their scooters very portable.
Looks a little Power Rangers somehow. All that wasted dash space for ... Watts. I guess it IS Power Ranger. Hey, we need battery, speed less so, black and white to enable use of sun glasses and tinted shield, highest possible contrast, not brightness. Little kids don't pay for scooters, people with an objective to achieve pay for scooters.
Some of my favorite displays are just the big e-bike style black and white displays. Especially the reverse displays where the background is white and the numbers are black. -Paul
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What? Under $1000? I don't even get below $1400 even with using your code
That’s so strange. When I follow the link we posted in the video description, I see it as $999. I tried it just now. Where are you located?
-Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide London Ontario
Sorry about that. It’s the conversion rate. I looked it up just not and $999 USD translates to about $1,400 CAD -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide honestly I knew that. Lol just wanted to raz us bit for not considering us Canadians when saying things like "for under $1000". 😈
It's messy if we put USD on the thumbnail, but we do get it on screen at 1:04. :-)
-Paul
Wtf then not a secret don't put up on here
I'm not sure what you're saying. Can you give me more detail to work with? -Paul
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Well done!
Thank you for your support! -Paul
I have a E T Wow 28 mph 28 mpc fwd, looking for dual with more speed and range