Black Sails Season 4 Episode 10 Review and Deep Dive (Finale!)

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  • @rossprovence1865
    @rossprovence1865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After this last deep dive....i will have no new Black Sails material to endulge in. Sads😢. Best show of all times!!!

    • @ttg-ben
      @ttg-ben  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rossprovence1865 I know I’m at a loss today lol (Mondays been watch the Ep and make the notes day for a while lol) I’m going to have to like…watch something else?!

  • @eleonoraparker6367
    @eleonoraparker6367 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi! You know it always takes me time to listen and comment, but I finally made it!
    First of all I want to thank you for bringing all these characters back to life once again with your interesting analysis. I haven't been here since the beginning but I'm definitely glad of being here right now, you don't have to thank me for it😘
    This said, let's get into business.
    I'm seldomly able to be normal about things that I love, so it doesn't really come as a surprise to me that everytime I hear someone talking about this ep or that I start thinking about it I get completely carried away by it. It's such a beautiful finale, so full of emotions and actions and…it's definitely a sum up of the whole show in all of its best aspects. There's so much to tell about it, I don't even know where to start.
    I've been…clinging to the belief of the most positive, or maybe less negative, finale for some time. I mean, is definitely easier to accept, considering how awful the alternative is. And I know there is no actual evidence of either of the two. But actually…I think I finally resigned myself to the most believable and realistic finale, which probably also makes the show even more beautiful, as you said. I love tragedies and I love symbolism, but it’s hard because, poor Flint, he really deserved some mercy.
    Anyway. I was curious about how you would read the scene in Jack's cabin, and especially of course Silver's mood and the exchange between him and Flint, because to me that was THE moment when Silver decided to betray the fight once and for all. I don't really know how to explain it. If he had already agreed with Julius then maybe he had taken that decision even earlier, probably as soon as he had shown the cache to Rogers, but it looks to me like somehow he however needed some sort of confirmation to finally put that finale into action. Maybe it was knowing that Flint would have done the same for Thomas (it definitely was if we believe in the plantation and all of that), maybe it was seeing Flint being still relentless after the loss of almost all their men…I honestly don't know, but after that moment he had no doubts about it, and Jack just gave him the final twist he needed to put all the things into line.
    I loved that shared glance between Madi and Flint, how close they were and similar in mind, for two people coming from such different environments really is amazing. And Silver's gaze was so venomous there. As you said, he is yet another man who thought his decisions were the best for the woman he cared about, and this is awful, ‘cause actually he broke her, he destroyed everything she believed in, and I hate that she forgives him in the end and I refuse to believe she is the famous Silver's wife in TI. Madi is definitely more than that. Like…probably it's my problem, but I really don't like Silver, and I can't understand how such behavior can be overlooked or accepted (of course he is amazingly written and built as a character, nothing against it, but I don't like him as a person, not as Flint's supposed friend, nor Madi's lover, nor anything).
    Anyway, the dialogue between him and Flint definitely is one of the most impactful scenes in television history to me.
    Of course it is of great importance to the show and to Flint and I loved that you underlined most of the things it is and means in that context. And about what it means to Flint, Toby Stephen definitely gave us one of his best performances. You know, the desperation, yes, that's it, the DESPERATION you can see on that man's face, in his expression, how much he believes in what he has been fighting for all along in the moment he allow himself to say it, and how losing that war means losing it all to him. As you said, that was his deepest, real motivation, over the rage and everything else.
    And it gives so many emotions, ‘cause you see him being so open and vulnerable and…I think I came to care about him too much actually. I hate to see him helpless in a moment like that, when he is being so TRUE and RIGHT.
    I empathize so much with him, that scene destroys me every time. I was like “how can you betray such a man?”. But yeah, men like him are meant to die, that's the awful truth.
    But you know, as much as it destroys me it moves me deeply every time. Especially his monologue about the darkness of course. Even hearing you quoting that, I couldn't help but repeat his words myself getting impossibly emotional in the process.
    ‘Cause being a summary of the whole show is not all that it is, is it? You said it, the whole scene really is too much, it means too much, it's not even possible to explain it and it is definitely subjective. But that monologue…to me it’s…personal. Very personal. Since the day I first watched that scene it has lived in my brain rent free. Every day I live or hear about at least one situation which those words would be perfectly referable to, and they start sounding in my head all on their own.
    What is hypocrisy, what's darkness and what's freedom, who set the lights, what's shame and what should be the future, what is the truth…these are all questions which that monologue gives me answers to, and this is why it is so important to me.
    You know, recently I've been asked to describe BS in a word, on the fb group. The word I used is “current”, it came to me spontaneously while I was thinking about some awful roads this world is going down, and I think this monologue explains exactly the reason why I chose it.
    Freedom in the dark…you chose the best possible title for the ep., honestly. One day I'm going to get those words tattooed lol.
    It really is too much. And…I don't know, to me the episode gravitates around this single masterpiece of a scene. All the rest is how the world goes on nonetheless, but this…this is the ever crushed, ever crying soul of the world, and it's what really matters.
    As I already said, you're probably right about Flint's ending. He wouldn't have walked out of that forest without his war. Having been deprived of everything he had left, he would have chosen death. And, well, if there had been a better chance like the reunion with Thomas, probably Silver would have mentioned it at first, without needing to wait minutes, hours and days there, waiting for Flint's decision lol.
    But however, I'm glad that they gave us that last scene with Thomas. It healed my broken heart a bit, true or not that it may be. That wouldn't have been a happy ending either, you know. Try to cage a man like Flint, after years of that kind of life that would have been some kind of death itself for him. But I do believe he would have actually abandoned every purpose if put in front of the possibility to reunite with Thomas, even if in jail. Thomas was how it all began, it would have been just right if he had been how it all ended too (the last quote of Meditation basically says something like this and when I read it I linked it with their reunion at first. It still gets me very emotional). After all, war or not, Flint had already declared himself out of it all as soon as the fight was over, so. I guess we are just lucky to have the chance to choose freely which finale we want to believe in. And as Jack says, that's what really matters.
    The ending with Jack's speech is a very good way to end it all too. Partially because it “explains” the ending, in a way (if it ever needed to be explained), if not the whole theme of the show. Partially because it still gives that sense of “it's not really over”. Well, for me it's over with Flint actually, but still😂
    And you're right, Anne's final moments are great, I was so glad to see her finally healed.
    Now…may I ask you if you did believe in their war? Probably you said that in some previous episodes already and I just missed it,, but what did you think about it?
    First time I watched the show I was actually pretty skeptical about it. Max has a point when she says that the empire has been winning that war for centuries. Of course they were many, but…maybe not enough. I love every rebellion as long as it does not become just another struggle for power (which it usually does), for the oppressed to raise their voices, for the enslaved to take power and all of that, but realistically speaking, I think they had not many chances to actually win. In this, Silver may have had a point. Wanting to avoid the bloodshed and all the consequences I mean. Point is, it was not his choice to make.
    But that’s also the power of the show, isn’t it? When it comes, you can just say it was inevitable- to quote Flint. Because even if I started distrustful, by the end of it I was completely involved in the fight. They practically put you into Flint’s subordinates place, and, just like them, you grow to find motivation in every word he says. Really, what a character they had made.
    The only possible flaw of this finale is that a couple of situations don’t really fit with how they are presented in TI, but the creators actually said it was their own interpretation of TI so I guess it’s alright.
    So, thank you so much for sharing your reflection with all of us. It has been a pleasure to listen to your analyses.
    I still have to check that ouat vid you recommended me though, and since I’m going to start watching Killing Eve (better late than never, even if the whole fandom definitely made me already anxious about the finale) I’m glad to know I will be able to come check your opinions about it when I feel like doing it.
    Thank you again!

    • @ttg-ben
      @ttg-ben  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey Eleonora, aww thank you again for taking the time out to pop by whenever you can. This show just enlists such passion, discussion, love and (maybe oddly lol) comfort. Even after a reaction AND a podcast/deep dive I’m still debating ‘what next?’ to share and spread love for it.
      Yeah as I said in episode, this finale is such a personal one to each individual and at the end of the day there really is no final definitive answers. Perhaps it’s a glass half empty/full thing lol. Even on my first reaction I smelt a rat straight away when Silver told Madi what went down. While I’d love that for Flint too, for him to just retire into the interior. I don’t think it was ever going to happen once Miranda went. But yeah as tragic as it is, like I say taking it the way I do (Silver kills him) def winds up being the greater ending overall for me and I can make far more sense of it and praise it more creatively then I could off if everything we saw and heard from Silver was true. (I do hope my pessimistic ass hasn’t taken your happy Flint ending away from you though lol.)
      Ok phew someone else agrees Silver wasn’t honestly planning the betrayal from quite so far back as he makes it seem and/or he was holding it off for as long as he could. Yeah that final decision in Silver def happens some point after boarding Jacks ship. As you say perhaps it happens when Flint is still just not pausing for a reflection/rethink in that cabin despite the loss they just suffered and then John sensing he’s got a somewhat ally in Jack (before he chats to him to confirm it). Add then with the cook interaction and the Madi smile to Flint after there victory and yeah somewhere along that timescale he def made his final decision.
      Yeah I hate Silver taking away Madi’s choice here and I also really hope it’s not her in TI as well. Cant remember if I mention it in episode but my head cannon is it’s actually Max who’s his wife (for business opportunities/grifting reasons only obvs lol) Which does go against Max’s final development BUT the sad fact is if they had done another season WR would of got out of debtors jail and retaken Nassau so she would have had to flee. Not easy for Max to do for obvious reasons. So she bumps into Silver and they relocate to England where they open a bar/secret side hustle lol. Madi gave Silver the middle finger went home and the Maroons relocated and she was able to at least keep up some small band of resistance against slavery. (There’s an Anne rescue mission and subplot mixed up in there as well but I’ll save that for my ‘Black Sails Treasure Island’ episode I’ll do at some point! Ha ha)
      That scene! I knew going in whatever I wrote and spoke about it wouldn’t fully do it justice (or I wouldn’t be able to articulate my thoughts on it to the fullest to give them full justice.) It’s just everything we’ve seen all let out in one moment for Flint, desperation as you say, passionate as I think I must of said at some point. I somehow got through reading the monologue out without tearing up on the recording and I have no idea how lol. I go on every watch. I was tearing up as I wrote it, as I did my quick read through before recording…yet somehow held it together on actual recording lol. ‘Current’ is 100% the right word for that monologue and the show, that’s why I kept my personal feelings on what his speech means to a minimum. Unfortunatly, it seems it’s W. Rogers, Barringer’s, and Grandfather Guthrie’s types (or worse) running the show at the moment. Everyone getting fed an algorithm, some believing absolute hate fuelled drivel without checking any sources for anything (like Jack’s pirate groupie a few episodes earlier) The people in charge making up ‘monsters’ to deflect from themselves and their own greed…yeah for a show set in 1715-1720 ish the themes are hella current.… anyway moving on from that cheery paragraph lol…
      Ooh that’s a question ‘do I believe in their war’ tbh it seems once more our thoughts are very similar. The reasons behind it are mostly logical/noble and something to cheer for (especially once Madi and the Maroons get involved.) But it becomes too big too quickly, too disorganised too quickly. The little pockets of victories are great here and there and get the characters (and us the viewer) hyped, encouraged (Flint often being the reason) but yeah by W. Rogers introduction in Season 3, ‘Civilisation’ now had a well organised funded front which unfortunatly even still with small little pockets of victories, just not enough (especially when your team of pirate avengers are still having inner squabbles). You mention Max, she always had the best reality checks (especially this last season.) So while I cheered for it till the very end (would of cheered another 2-3 seasons of it) I knew realistically about halfway through as the snowball got bigger, Flint’s Nassau utopia sadly wasn’t ever going to happen.
      Thank you again for taking the time out to write all your thoughts, glad my brain farts were able to inspire some great discussion here and there. Yeah as I say that OUAT episode/season ranking vid is a long one (but still vid I’m most proudest off to date.) Maybe one day we can get our teeth stuck into some good once chat as well (though not timelines. I get a headache just thinking about it! Lol)
      Take care and I’m sure we will chat again soon in BS group, been MIA a bit of late (lowering my social media intake at the moment to rebalance the mental health scales a bit lol) but a month or so hiatus from chatting Black Sails is far too long for me to stay away much longer ha ha.
      PS: And enjoy Killing Eve, season 1 & 2 is great tv, by season 4 you’ll likely love Villenelle enough by that point to power you through (and you already know to ‘possibly’ prepare for a sumwhat unfavourable finale lol.)

    • @eleonoraparker6367
      @eleonoraparker6367 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ttg-benSorry for the late reply! Yeah, I miss chatting on the BS group too, but I've been absent lately 'cause I'm terribly busy at the moment. But I'll make up for lost time soon.
      I love your idea about Max being Silver's wife! Never thought about it actually, but it makes perfectly sense. I've always thought the two of them should have had more interaction throughout the seasons because they are very similar under some aspects and definitely compatible. Like...I'd fear a couple of partners in crime like them lol
      So yeah, that's a great idea. Since I'm hearing "BS/TI" episode... I trust you to analyze also what Silver's feelings may have been once he returned on Skeleton Island, especially since you believe in the "killing Flint" option lol it is something I'm very curious about after my last rewatch and the "someday you will" part of Flint's speech.
      It's also kinda sad that knowing those years to be the last ones of the golden age of piracy you can pretty much foresee that it isn't going to end well for them. But I enjoy the ride every time anyway.
      Thank you for your answer!

  • @rossprovence1865
    @rossprovence1865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not sure why you think you over do anything. We need more!! Dive deeper!! Thank you for every episode Ben. Your awesome!!

    • @ttg-ben
      @ttg-ben  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rossprovence1865 Ah thank you mate, very kind of you to say.

    • @rossprovence1865
      @rossprovence1865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch Shogun!!​@@ttg-ben