Damage Support vs Healing Support
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Awkward staying behind his team and healing is the most cursed thing I've ever seen in my life
And that’s why you’re in gold
@@slashergasher1388bro u need to understand what he said
@@slashergasher1388And this is why you're in silver.
What bro is on @@slashergasher1388
In an alternate dimension awkwards out there going “healing healing healing, you want to constantly avoid off angles and walk into plain view so you have line of sight to apply healing to your team”
evil awkward be like : HEALING HEALING HEALING, enemy go forward we go forward, enemy go backward we go backward, NEVER OFF ANGLE
0:20 Kiri average
3:02 Kiri Awkward's way
6:25 Moira average
12:22 Moira Awkward's way
15:20 Ana average
19:31 Ana Awkward's way
22:57 Zen average
28:26 Zen Awkward's way
32:58 Lucio average
35:30 Lucio Awkward's way
39:36 Bap average
44:25 Bap Awkward's way
49:47 Lifeweaver as it is
Ty ❤
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No mercy sad
@@user-pb3eo9ue8eor my main Brig
We need a series titled "Rank-down academy" where your alter ego 'Charming' pretty much just enables and applauds every stupid decision a player makes while coaching them.
lmao
‘Charming’ 😂😂😂😂
i love that
Bringing this comment back into existence, I need to see more “charming” lol
It's so funny that Awkward tries to play bad but actually plays decent/above average cause subconsciously he is fundamentally good and there's no counter to playing fundamentally good
I think the reason you won a decent bit on both playstyles is you still have really good uptime even when healbotting. As long as your doing something productive 99% of the time it gives you a lead over people who arent.
Can’t forget having a good team lmao 😂
Well he also has good positioning, ult usage, and ability tracking so even if he's not saying he's doing any of that he is so at very least he should stay alive in more cases and initiate the fights better then most people would, except maybe when he's deliberately showing a bad position or play situation to be in.
Or maybe because he's playing in plat as a rank 1 support player...
@@DxXNA Exactly. One of the easiest way to tell is how Awkward disengages fights, where most metal supports would just stay in their position forever and inevitably die - meaning they have guaranteed 10 second downtime during respawn, and then another 15 seconds walking back from spawn, then 5 secs setting up in a position again, basically every lost fight Awkward gains 30 seconds of uptime potential just because he disengages well - even with a healbot playstyle that will amount for a lot of value over the course of a match.
@@Real_MisterSirI'll never understand why people don't disengage a lost fight or run into one alone. Like what is going through their head? "Yes I'm gonna pop off and win this fight by myself." I've even tried to heal people and keep them alive to disengage with me and they usually think I'm doing it to help them engage, then they get mad bc I dipped on them. When I tell them I was doing it so we could both disengage they called me stupid, I think we both know who the stupid one is...
That lucio was so butthurt it's hilarious. And I'm sure he is probably a very good driver in his totally real McLaren
From 23:55 to 24:25 , this was comedy.
Ulting winston missing swings on a zen who is an inch away from him
Ulting soldier jumping out into the open and getting killed mid air by a single shot from zen
Winston jumping back in for round 2 without his ult, only to immediatly die to a kick
And finally the mercy falling off the map after miscalculating a guardian angel
😂😂😂😂
Like moria says when you kill someone "theres a time to heal, and theres a time to kill"
Alternative title: Not trying vs Blatant smurfing
Your life motto, no skills lots of talk.
True
like him or hate him, i went from gold to masters because of him playing bap lucio.
edit, just checked and it was from Bronze to Masters (Quick play demon, did placements with Bronze friends). But still made it out of plat easily because of him.
@@mindyourtruthlighten up
The Dialg 1v1 was hard to watch honestly. homie was embarrassing himself so bad.
”the better lucio lost” bro is delusional💀
@@tripanzoawkward later invited him in a 1v1 on Lucio. Awkward annihilated him 7-0. It was cringe watching that guy.
@@michele3900 Yeah I watched on stream and I was just sad watching him unfold. Hopefully, he learns from that defeat but I assume he won't.
Ever since i found this gem of a channel, ive started to appreciate all the little things in life, just wanna say thanks for making these man. You probably will never see this but this channel is awesome and i watch every vid. No ads too is insane! Keep it up broski
Evil awkward be like : "I love lifeweaver"
evil awkward be like: you're looking very healable my guy
@@DrDemolition Evil awkward be like "I will nade my ally so they get amplified healing"
@@Real_MisterSir evil awkward be like: heal, heal, heal
This actually low key helped a little, I don't know when to flank and off angle and every game I lose I feel like I had no impact or heal botted
I am from Brazil and work as an emergency doctor and found your channel 2 years ago. You are not only educational and entertaining towards the game, but inspirational to use the game as an analogy towards success on other aspects of our daily routine. As a guy who advertise and practice those teachings as well in my work and in my basketball hobbies (i teach the fundamentals of the sport in my community), is so refreshing seeing my believes of hard work, accountability, having fun and supporting those around you, being implemented in the game I love, by a champion of it. Your content reafirmes my values while also keeps me entertained, even when i am in my lowest hours. Really, really thank you a lot.
belo comentário, acompanho ele pela mesma razão!
greetings from Brazil, awkward!
13:01 Is that.. Sombra BEGGING for heals just standing there? What in the world...
It's really odd. I'm bronze rn but even when I play as Sombra I HATE when my supports try to heal me because it exposes my position to enemies and I can just go to the health packs to heal if I'm not in combat.
the ring around the rosy with the roadhog had me DYING laughing
The only thing you got wrong is the Plat Lucio.
Those usually dive alone and die off immediately because they thought they were eskay lol
or frogger, also i am one of them lul
Took a page out of the Rein book, and Burnt the rest of the pages
Should have replace his entire commentary by "healing before the fight" "my teams moves foward I move backwards" and stuff like that it would have been so funny
Love your videos! As a girl, shotcalling isn't the most effective tip for me(I've been told to shut up by men in bronze-plat more times than I can count), but I can always count on you for useful advice
Shut up.
... Just kidding. You are killing it. :D
Gold 3 here, I've never seen a lifeweaver deal more than 900 damage in a game.
You should play with me then 😎
8:34 no matter how many times a doom or bastion ults, they always fall for the fake afk. I do it all the time on echo and it's such a fun way to counter their ults 😂
Lmao "Guys, what happened?". He's too good at this.
Bro an average player can't hit 90% headshots tho I get what you mean buy they'll be giving more value to healbotting by not flanking and getting melted for missing 3 headshots in a row every time.
13:00 i seriously hate players like this sombra where they could easily go and grab a health pack (in this case she literally could have hacked the mini and healed herself). they think im not aware of them but they dont realize that im just ignoring them because its not my job to top them off when there are more important things to be doing lol
Ive played a bit of ranked this season. Mostly as lifeweaver. The projectile changes made shooting with him more consistent. You still need to heal a lot but your playstyle depends on the enemy comp. If there’s a lot of dive you either need to focus on killing the people diving you or denying them when they dive your team. If the enemy is playing widow you basically have to go kill her because pull is invalidated by one shots. The character feels good so long as the enemy team is playing a comp you can use your cooldowns against.
so it doesn't really matter if you are healbotting or doing damage as long as you are playing against much weaker opponents (unless you are deliberately trolling like with bap)
The avg player will look at this and say "but you can only play like that because you have good mechanics"
- and they would be right! But more crucially, the fact that they're right just highlights that they are simply not mechanically adept enough to effectively rank up, but with this playstyle now they're at least aware of it, unlike healbotting where you never actually have to confront your real issues and shortcomings as a player.
You can hold M1 in the general direction of your team as Kiri all you want, there won't be a difference between a bronze and a gm in that regard. Takes no skill. And because it takes no skill, it also doesn't punish you for bad plays, whereas if you're playing with Awkward's approach then you either hit your shots or you don't. There's no grey zone of thinking you're better than you are.
The avg player thinks they're way better than they are, and they're afraid to apply playstyles that forces them to confront their true weaknesses, because then they'd actually have to do work to rank up, rather than just blame their team and throw a fit on reddit.
Dat lucio lmaaao talk about fragile ego man xD
A lot of people think - man, I have healing abilities, so that's what I need to do.
If you do enough damage the enemy team has to back up, you have to do LESS healing overall since there is less resources being put into your team. If they look at you and not your tank, your tank is not dying. Your DPS can peek a bit wider, it is a better experience all around.
Peeps might actually use the lost and win as you doing the wrong thing 😂
it is funny tho how he won doing healbot and lost even after carrying
@@uselessdegenerate7565 yea sample size can be a bitch and half
To wrap it up, in order to improve : stay unemployed and play 8 hours a day for 6 years
also pay to a streamer for coaching
Ok, maybe to get top 50 ish and find everything out yourself then yes/no depending on your ability to learn fast, but from gold to masters with a fulltime job you only need a youtube video explaining how to climb as support and skip the part where you try find reasons this doesn’t work in your rank. Took me 3 weeks. Ill at least called that improved 😬
I work and still find time to practice the game. Nobody says you have to give your life to the game to get better. You just have to put actual effort into the game and be willing to learn. Stop standing out in the open, rotate more, follow Awkwards advice and stop whining.
Plenty of people are good & have a life. I work 60 hours a week & just play to unwind but make top500. You just have to change your mindset
U need good mental and physical health as well
"Who did the sojourn focus the entire team? me" Well yes, you are the healer...
I'm gonna be honest, with all this "dmg dmg dmg" and "sure you might not hit the same shots that I do" I'd be genuinely interested in something like bap or ana unranked to gm with a controller (since ow on pc has no aim assist afaik), sure the fundamentals are important and positioning is important too, but sometimes I genuinely feel like some matches you pop off so hard it's unreasonable for anyone to get to that level without dedicating to the game religiously like a full time job (last zen video for example).
From my point of view I watch a lot of people stuck in metal ranks playing similarly to what awkward says, I didn't know he was that popular before this tbh, yet he still believes in "the reason you're in gold is because of your fundamentals", and I genuinely wonder how do these people apply these things pretty decently in matches yet seem stuck or just really miserable stats compared to awkward. (And I know, they might have some flaws, or some part of the fundamentals are not being applied correctly or whatever might be the nitpick, that's exactly why I'm interested in awkward, supposedly perfect fundamentals guy, to do this)
I don't play the game myself, just recently caught some interest, and I like what awkward says about it, but at some point he HAS to take into account the amount of damage you are able to feasably replicate yourself, the pressure on the enemy team awkward puts out is actually something I barely see anywhere else, trying to hit shots is better than doing nothing but at what point is mechanical skill actually more important than fundamentals?
You're really well informed for someone who doesn't play the game! What drew you to this content? Why don't you play yourself?
@@FeverBonus I find these fun to watch, and a ton of the tactics that some of these streamers talk about sound a lot like JRPG playthroughs, kind of interesting to hear them say something, then completely make it happen as if it was turn based and already planned the turns. However I feel like he always talks about the methods but never the execution, it's like saying "walk" to a baby, they might've seen someone walk before, they probably understand what needs to happen, but the baby is not exactly as "talented" to just start walking without dedicating a year to learn how to, and even then it won't be able to walk for long or even run.
I used to see overwatch here and there before 2 was released, but it was always like competitions with very technical commentary, so it was very hard to follow and eventually stopped seeing it, it appeared on my feed again one day, a video from a guy explaining the new 5v5 formula, and putting into simple "strategy" type of speech, so I kinda kept watching, then character guides that explained how to play as group, what works/doesn't, it felt completely different than watching a competitive stream with no commentary, so I got drawn into it.
I started playing the game actually few days after this comment, I don't take it as seriously as these streamers, so I'm not exactly tryharding the concepts they talk about and honestly I still don't know what I'm doing most of the time because it can get a bit overwhelming at times so much stuff going on, but I keep them in mind, I still stand by my desire for him to completely hinder his mechanical skill, I watch from time to time and he pops off so hard some rounds and then shrugs it off as "a blind monkey with no arms can do this".
Your conclusions are 100% accurate. I play on controller and I mainly play support. This video popped up on my YT feed and after watching it my level of play has taken a massive hit. I literally have not won a match since watching this video. Gonna go back to my heal "botting" next time I play. I'm plat so players are decent. If I take an off angle, 2 or 3 players collapse on me when I start putting on dmg. I will usually just die or have to peel back and leave my team to a 4v5 with half the heals as the other team, unless I hit all my shots AND 70%+ of them have to be headshots (which is nearly impossible on controller).
It's a misleading video and I should've realized what you realized before trying it. Plus the other thing people don't realize is this is literally a pro player smurfing lobbies full of 20-30 year olds who play a few hours per week just to chill after a long day of work. This level of play is quite literally unachievable for 99.999...% of people on the entire planet. My suspicion is that this was deliberately designed to trick kids/teens into thinking they need to pay for his course to be good at a game that most people play for fun.
27:05 that genji hahahaha and the ash right afterwards was hilarious XD wtf is going on~
I think the heal botting only worked in those ranks because the players are so bad at survivability. They literally rely on heals to do anything because no fundamentals, so when you dont heal bot your team die more
first 2 games show sometimes you still loose no matter how hard you try
even ml7 has said he has had a higher win rate by healing this season because of the dps passive he made a similar video by playing every support and seeing what works
13:15 The average player experience LMAO.
he can’t even show how healbotters play because he’s too good. so his normal playstyle and positioning is way above average. that’s why when he healbots he still wins. but healbotting at low ranks with bad positioning and games sense is why people are stuck in low ranks. by doing damage and taking his advice i went from hardstuck silver to high diamond.
"Go to the gym and tell that girl she is strong", I don't know what year you are living in but my brother in Christ Muhammad, but thats a death sentence right there.
You have a bronze mentality when it comes to women. Who's fault is it if all the women you talk too think you're creepy, harassing them etc?
Skill issue
@@ace8099 its your fault! you and your silver mentality are to blame. take accountability and responsibility for my bronze mentality and show me how to get your Giga silver mentality.
My brother is Christ Muhammad? Wtf r ur talking about
😂
@@ace8099Spoken like a true gold rank Woman-izer, teach me
3:18 are we not gonna talk about how smooth that transition was
39:25 "why do we win ?"
Because i played like a top500 player in a plat lobby, while otherwise trying to play like a caricature of a plat player.
I love the content, but plats and golds don't have the gamesense, awareness or aim to do what you do.
But your "how i play" moments are propably helpful for non-metals. I am happy in gold and i dropped here, because healbotting is tougher in the current patch.
But it's fine, i just play to have fun, can't play this game like a job or i'll get depressive.
Bro have you ever heard of a RANK GAP you are playing against plats, don't get me wrong I understand why you teach what you teach but In high rank lobbies are you still going to risk your life as a support for an off-angle knowing that they have a genji wich can basically delete you and I'm talking about Zenyata/ana here who doesn't really have an escape ability
Who here watched the stream live and saw the Dialga drama?
That Lucio was so mad.
@@LukeMason bro was malding at awkward, called him to a 1v1 and lost 7x0. Lost all heroes, said he was a lucio otp and lost 7 in a row 💀
let's not forget that the reason they lost was because the keyboard wasn't plugged in twice and they were in Australia as a Formula 2 driver
@@ghoisc he said like 3 times he had to "get his keyboard" and after losing 7 times in a row, he said he was a controller player 💀
TH-cam decided to recommend your videos even though I haven't touched OW since season 3 or 4 of OW1. I decided to install it again and go a few rounds of casual play, and by god is it a mess. I win maybe 20% and the other 80% are absolute blowouts where we cant even get out of spawn or touch the first point. I don't know if that's just a casual thing or what, but it was rough
Average matchmaking experience
Bro awkward is actually kinda funny the way he puts things in perspective 😂
Awkward talks about YOU off-angling, but what do you do when you are the one who is off-angled?
Take the 1:1 if in range, otherwise duck behind the cover that's right next to you
at this days , its really hard to do dmg, because even if you heal , your tank can't get enough heal .
I recently started playing overwatch. around the same time i found your videos. They all helped me a ton, especially with my fundamentals. i have 24 hrs in comp. I have so far gotten to plat 2 on tank, plat 2 on Dmg and Gold 1 on Support. i dont have much games on support tho so i should be able to get that up soon! Thanks for the great videos.
Don’t be discouraged by your rank, although it is below average for sure, watching awkward videos will help you climb as it did with me!
Love the vids!
20:04 The lag thing 😂😂😂
Especially this season if you just heal you are coinflipping that your dps will kill more than the enemies. Your tank won't live with double pocket anymore either
This. But People seem To be living In season 8 still...
Ok now do this in your rank
the fact he’s in ‘your rank’ proves this works tho, so what’s your point
@@bigboy6676 All smurfing does is ruin the game for the 9 other people in the match until he gets back upto his main rank, no amount of dick sucking from his fans will change that.
this is how kirikos in his rank plays
@@bigboy6676 he’s not in my rank. I’m a master 2 current dps. Saying this kind of aggression works in platsure, but he’s top 500.
@@samthibert6527 yeah ur telling him to do this in his rank like he hasn’t done it to reach rank 1?
Last night I had a support game where I got 12k DMG while playing my favorite Moira. I died way too much and kept pressing the attack when I shouldn't, but I was pretty proud of myself haha.
That’s called feeding bro
@@purple_haze8160 but we won the game bro. So maybe you should "feed" more in your games?
@@Zathrenmoira is a stat farm character btw
Avg Moira main
@@Zathren u mean u won in a bronze lobby ? Good for u
Love the way you ended the video linking to real life stuff and instilling positive vibes! Rock on🎉
Don't argue with people online xD
would you be willing to do a controller challenge awkward with your usual style
The whole bit at 16:48 had me laughing so hard😂 thank you awkward
the start of the video is so funny, love you awkward
You won the heal botting game, but lost the damage game with Kiriko lol.
His chat must’ve been lit up 🤣
Correlation doesn’t mean causation.
You still have much more control over a match where you're being proactive and doing damage. The healbot game he only won because he was lucky his team wasn't complete garbage. You could have the highest healing in the world but damage gets kills, and kills are how you win
@@Randomness662 The amount of matches i've lost while healing twice as much as the enemy team is insane, but in gold if you out dps your dps they'll throw. Even when they have zen doing most of the work damage wise they'll ask him to heal more...?
of course not, its just funny@@Awkward2
40:31 helping Bob is 100% the right move every time, who doesn't like Bob? its Bob!
Awkward, I love your advice. I’m wondering what you recommend for Mercy players? Damage boosting vs shooting pistol?
There are 375 McLaren P1s in the world and this dude wants you to believe that you queued into a random overwatch game with one of those 375 people that also so happens to be a cry baby? Damn thats a lottery ticket right there.
This video is designed to make decent players bad (so they'll pay for the course he offers) by gaslighting them into thinking they heal bot. I tried to play like this and have lost 10 straight games and dropped 3 ranks, despite putting up "better" damage than I was before. Now I don't even remember how I used to play and can't find my rhythm anymore. If ur plat/diamond like me, do not fall for this video. This is a pro and he's SMURFING 20+ ranks below his ability. You cannot play like that and maintain your current level of play.
I have found the contrast between the average player and a better player to be extremely helpful. Can you do this with DPS? I have not seen a video like gold tactics vs better tactics before.
On a graph of mechanical and game skill against value, playing damage has a steeper gradient but healbotting has high initial value but a slow gradient. There's a limit to the value you can get while just healbotting, which is not how you climb. Can't deny healbotting is easy and gives value so it's no surprise people rely on it when they feel the pressure.
I just love that you lost the second game too.
Great video idea. I’d recommend next time you do such a video, switch between how the average support plays to how you play at the halfway point of a game. So that it’s easier to tell how you to switch up our gameplay in real time.
omg yes that’d be so sick
plans to do this for other roles? :)
Yes
That dialga guy is the cringiest man on heart
I can’t off angle, cause if one person duels me I’m dead I can’t win many duels
I can't off angle because the moment I do my team dies from lack of healing
No Moira ever play like the way he started with her lol my Moira fights in front of Rein shield
Lmao I seen that so many times Shockley they be getting kills too
8:40
Protecting my doom
Doom: proceeds to fucking die
I think you have to read the situation, the vast majority of times it is viable to prioritize playing a more aggressive role and other times continue and trust your team by giving them healing before going more aggressive. but you have to read the environment and act according to the situation
so easy to climb since i watched you, you make it so simple to understand and dont complicate it
healing support is because they can't hit the enemy~
This was the funniest video you ever made!! 23:55 cracked me up!!
Man this was hilarious 😭 even though I’m a t500 kiriko, the way you played as zen in the first round is how I play as zen LMAO 24:53 I did this a few times thinking I was doing something 😭😭
Can confirm as a dps that ana on the other team playing how you play in my master/gm lobbies are oppressive as shit
The "guys what happened" was pretty funny
Lmao the dialga guy got done dirty🤣
I was waiting the whole video to see if he would recommend Battle Mercy lol. I think the exclusion answers my question.
"Using window for the team..."
Teacher: why are you laughing?
my brain: OMG TANK HURT TIME TO TRANSCENDENCE
As a mercy/moira main who switched to Ana this season this is exactly how I play LMAO
Would absolutely love a ram guide, I find him very fun but very hard to get value with
I appreciate that you posted that 2nd game as it was and not trying to cover up anything.
People will use whatever excuse they have on why they arent climbing. Its never their fault, so they cant comprehend what you're saying is true for climbing.
I've trying to do Sombra only, and I'm curious if you have any tips for her playstyle?
Here are some tips on how to play lw in plat: use pull as soon as you get it, the main purpose of it is to heal, and occasionally save people IF fate dictates and you have it off CD when you need it to save someone, oh and let's not forget using pull if someone is diving you and ulting you to secure a double kill for the enemy or just pulling to throw the game because you decided it's time to play defensively while sitting in narnia. Your petal is solely used to hinder your dps's aim and nothing else. The petal should be used off CD as well and is always thrown right below your DPS or tank for no good reason at all. Your needles? We don't know what that is I don't think they even exist. Your ult is used either defensively when the team is pushing, ergo does not benefit the team, or aggressively in a lost team fight to keep the tank up after your entire team died. Hope this helps. ♥PS: no I am not making this up, this is based on real experience.
It would be really nice to see you playing in your main account on your favorite character
But it's just pushing the healing on the other support. He has high damage, but the other support has high healing. The only thing I agree with is that games go faster. But imagine if both supports played his way?
If you settle for "Average," it is setting you up for failure.
I think as a support your main job IS heling your team and keep them alive if you want to flank just play DPS
Thanks for helping me climb. i went from silver to plat watching your videos the last few days
The dps passive makes healbotting more effective since one missed heal will kill your team
Until the enemy team has a support with the amount of dmg the tank has. Good luck winning if your team misses the 20% dmg it could've had.
What Awkward shows here, is he does in fact heal, but he does not go braindead healbotting when he can also do dmg to kill the enemy team faster.
If you want healbotting, go Mercy lol
Wait i was sure the average Moira is more in the enemy flank & backline than the front. Maybe i need to study them more.
Iv had a 85% win rate on illari consistently over 2 seasons just mainly doing dps and when I do lose on the odd occasion I get flamed for my healing stat which I find comical.
HeAlBoT strat 100% WinRate 💀
what i get most from this in a way is how these two 'playstyles' have actually collapsed, in the game. you don't have as much choice in terms of what you do and when you do it, as a player. the game tells you and your only 'freedom' is to ignore that and lose.