WATCH Before Installing Telescoping Stabilizers on Your Compact Tractor
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- How to install telescoping stabilizer on compact tractor lift arms. Kubota L2501 L3301 L3901 L3902 Episode 142.
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Quick connect would take care of that problem. no need to pull the arms out wide to slide on. Pat's quick hitch is a good one.
true!
I had same problem but fixed it easily - get some quick hitches for arms or the simpler way is to just turn your pins on the implements in instead of out. The stabilizer bars are too valuable to me compared to the turnbuckle. Thanks for the video
Good tip! some of my pins are welded because I'm pretty aggressive with my brush hogging! Pats is probably the best way to go.
@@PineyGroveHomesteadAgree - I ordered yesterday. Thanks again for the video.
@@PineyGroveHomestead That's what I was thinking as I was watching. I have Pat's and hooking up from underneath would solve this issue. Thanks for the video. I ordered a pair. I'm for anything to make hooking up implements easier. Also, I use R pins instead of cotter keys. Makes taking on and off easy too.
Thanks! You saved me some headaches! I suspected that to be a problem on my old used '94 Honda 23 HP diesel with chain/turnbuckle sway links. They are very short and you have to pull the cotter and drop the clinch pin in order to adjust them. Only having it a few months and six different implements it came with, I walked around and measured all of them. The snow blower was 5" narrow so I turned the pin's inside-to out by just slipping two (longer)7/8"x 6 1/2" pins thru the U-channel connector so the arms are on the outside with the pins running all the way thru. Now all are within 1 1/8". No more adjusting! I hope that made sense, thanks for sharing your findings!
Eventually I want to get to a quick hitch, but for now, just using our old implements!
Thank you Brad for posting this. You give food for thought on aftermarket stabilizers. Glad I came across your video FIRST before I found out the hard way. I'm looking for good replacement stabilizers for my John Deere 1025R. The factory turnbuckles can be painful. Peace be with you.
If you use a quick hitch or Pat's system, you could use something like this but our implements are old and the pins are to the outside and welded!
Ok, I worked for a Kubota dealership for 4 years. Why didn't you just take the pins off the box blade and put them on the inside? Problem solved. You know how many times in 4 years I had to do that. So yah, simple fix to your problem. If the pins are welded well... they shouldn't be.
Thanks for the video. Was thinking of these, but not now. I also like the idea of the fine adjustment the turnbuckles provide. My sway links don't have the forward locknuts on the turnbuckle, bought the tractor used. The rear, easier access, locknuts have worked fine by themselves for years.
I like the idea of telescoping but Kubota didn't engineer these properly IMO. Thanks for watching.
If you had a quick hitch I would guess it will work and make your life so much easier. I have one on my tractor and it makes hooking up so much easier than the old way.
We sold ours. We don't have a single implement that it worked on without having to make adjustments each time. But if you have compatible implements, it's a time saver.
Hi Brad, I had to look to see where my adjustable stabilizers were mounted, because I haven't had this issue. On my B2650, they mounted them on the inside of the arms. Looking at the rear of your L series, you would have to do some modifications to make that happen. My are mounted on a plate just below the pto shaft and just above the tow hitch slot.
Yessir. You are correct...the B and BX put them on the inside. I feared they would hit but was hopeful they wouldn't!! Back to turnbuckles!!
It's always disheartening when you believe something will work perfectly fine for an application... but then reality doesn't participate in the idea. I don't think anyone intended to deceive, and I really respect the professionalism you had in showing what happened in your situation. It would be really really cool to see you add some width to that Kubota with spacers... Thoughts?
Spacers are one way to solve the problem. For now, I'm using the turnbuckles. Life moves fast at Piney Grove and we don't have time to do things twice! I'm sure you know the feeling. One day maybe I will do something with them. Thanks for watching.
Good video, glad you made it, and bringing awareness to this. Can you slip one pin on first, and then slip the other side on? Thanks Brad.
You probably could work around it, but at that width, any slop in the arms could cause your tires to rub the stabilizers. I occasionally have the turnbuckles rub if the jam nut comes loose. Thanks for watching Ross!
That’s a bummer Brad. I had considered buying those but decided with the implements that I have, they weren’t necessary. Now I know that not only are they not necessary, they won’t even work.
I have an old Dearborn (( Ford) disc that is older than I am. The pin settings won’t work with my quick hitch. Same goes for my brush hog.
Glad I watched this video. Thanks for sharing this Brad.
Thanks for watching Gary. I feel like many of us with old implements are in the same boat. Guess we'll just keep our turnbuckles clean and lubed!
@@PineyGroveHomestead My L2501 has the ag tires (R1’s) which are somewhat narrower than your industrial tires. I also have wheel spacers added to mine which sets the stance out much wider . They may just work for me but without telescoping lower lift arms, I still see a whole lot of frustration trying to get hooked up to implements. I have that problem solved Brad style, with a 6 foot steel bar. Best method I have found yet.
Thanks Brad
I have run into this exact problem just today. My L4701HST came with telescoping stabilizers. I've been using a Speeco Quick Hitch for everything so I hadn't run into this. Then I bought a Del Marino Flipper 186 flail mower, and I can't mount it because the arms don't have enough width. The Del Marino does come with a set of cat 2 quick hitch pins, but the Speeco is cat 1. This is nice because you don't need a set of $30 adapters for every implement you own. The hole for the hitch pins in the Del Marino are larger than a cat 1 pin, so there's no way to use a cat 1 quick hitch pin unless you want to weld up and re-drill the hole. The only solution I see at this point is using Pat's Quick Hitch. This will work, but then you need a top link extension or you lose 4" of length on the top link, and you may not be able to tilt the implement back far enough.
I was going to say Pat's but you are all over it!
Fortunately for me, my machine, a MX4700, which I converted over to the telescoping arms, is also offered in a turbocharged version, the MX5100 which is basically the same chassis which comes with the telescoping arms, so clearance was not a problem. I'm surprised the kit that supposedly fits your machine isn't marketed with the caution that clearance may be an issue.
You've got a wider stance than the L-series. We could put on wheel spacers to solve this problem but that's just more money, mods and work! The engineers should have made them so you get at least the same clearance as the turnbuckles!
Before i got my quick hitch, i used the same type of stabilizers but my arms also extended to make hooking up easier. I will not give up my quick hitch and with the telescopic stabilizers my implements are held rock steady
Eventually I will be quick hitch compatible!
Thanks for confirming a concern of mine! That 90 degree angle at the outer attachment on the lift arm is a terrible design limiting the usefulness of the sway bars.
There are ways to make them work (spacers and quick hitch) but it's not for my situation. Thanks for watching.
Add spacers to the rear tires
That's a possible solution. Thanks for watching.
@@PineyGroveHomestead I love the videos. I also live in the panhandle of Florida
Do the people that use them flip the tire rims around to make a wider rear stance?
I don't know i don't like the turn buckles .
I like the old lift arms on the 70's massey ferguson they were easy to hook up but then again they were the ones I grew up with.
I did know one guy that had a little 19hp massy. And his hitch didn't fit any of his older equipment.
He turned the pins around towards the inside of the 3pt. It worked for him.
They make spacers to widen the stance of the tractor. I know you can reverse the rims on the front....but I don't think you can on the back. There are ways to modify the tractor further to make these work but not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
This is exactly what happened to me-I have a L3400 and I do have the pats quick hitch on my arms. So, getting the implement on wasn't a problem as you don't have to spread the arms as wide, but when everything was attached and locked down, I only had a 1/4" of space at the most between the stabilizers and the Ag tires. Way to close for me. I did contact Neil at Messicks and he told me that Ag tires are a problem with the Kubotas for these stabilizers and I can return them. I felt bad though, as they would never be able to sell them again as they got a little scratched up and look slightly used from me trying to make them work......so if anybody needs a pair, I have them!
I have R4s....perhaps Neil should have that on his website before people buy! Thanks for watching.
I would be interested in buying the stabilizer bars from you. What’s the best way to contact you?
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You can adjust the rear tread wider on your tractor or remove the pin that attaches the stabilizer to the lift arm , attach the lift arm to the implement and then put the pin back in the stabilizer.
Good ideas.
Hey Brad, that can be frustrating. It's not a one size fits all, unfortunately . I have the L2501 same set up. I mentioned before I have the Pats Easy change, with the upgraded stabilizers. It works because it does need to go as wide as the outside cat 1 pin to attach since Pat's attaches to the pin underneath. Yeah, it's another investment, but i can't see myself going back to the turnbuckle .Another option is the Bora wheel spacer. We are both in Florida and flat ground, so I didn't go that route. Good luck
There are alternatives...just takes time and money, right? Maybe Neil will send me some spacers for my troubles!
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My 4701 came with those never had prob on my implements maybe it’s little wider on mine. I thought ours had similar frames or your box blade is technically to big for the tractor.
Quick hitch is the best thing ever your really missing out if you change implements good bit.
The 4701 is a different frame from the L3901.
Add a Pats Quick hitch and you want have spread them to hook up since the Pats hook from underneath. I have the Pats on my L3901 and love it. Hope that helps.
I also have the telescoping sway bars on mine also.
That's a really good idea. I didn't want to buy something else, but that might do the trick. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Sorry to hear you're frustrated, but all hope is not lost. They make wheel spacers that extends the width of the rear axel for better stability on slopes which is a good idea. That will take care of two problems at the same time. I've come close to rolling my tractor due to narrow wheel base😮. The spacers are a plus too have. Pat's quick connects are another answer.
They are all great solutions. For now, I'm just running the OEM turnbuckles. Would like to go quick hitch but that mean buying new implements and that is not in the budget!
@@PineyGroveHomestead You should try Pat’s Easy Hitch. I did that and use it will all of my implements on my Kubota L4701. Much better than the Quick Hitch and it works with all my implements, even the ones that are not “Quick Hitch” compatible.
@@dougspencer4485 I need to spring for a set of them.
Oh man that's a bummer! I know my telescoping stabilizers are on the inside of the arms so I can extend my hitch out until it touches the tires. Sorry it didn't work out for you and I hope you can come up with a solution to get the telescoping arms. They are a life saver!
Turnbuckles for life!! Maybe get more tractors so never have to change implements! Now there's an idea....
@@PineyGroveHomestead lol that might be the best idea I ever heard!
The ANSWER to your problem is to reverse the PINS on your Implements….to place them INSIDE the implement brackets. Then the adjustable stabilizers will work perfectly. (Many such implements are assembled thusly.) Hope this helps.
Most of our pins are welded. Some are in, some are out. If we ever go to all new implements, we'll go to a quick hitch and put the stabilizers back on. Thanks for watching.
Wheel spacers. Try Bora spacers- adds about 2½ inches to each side.
That's one solution. The arms are still sitting on a shelf waiting for me to figure something out.
Do you think that the ag tire set up would be different with the telescopic sway vs the industrial tire
They work great if you have Ag tires. The R4s are too wide
@gitrdone43 thanks I was thinking they would I have have ag on mine but I feed livestock with mine so I was thinking with them being narrower it would be
@@daniellloyd668 I had Ag tires on my L3901 when I originally bought it and installed the telescoping stabilizers and I didn't have any problems. But when I swapped to R4s I had to add spacers to the rear to clear the stabilizers
@gitrdone43 makes sense I moved up from a bx2360 to a l3901 I've been thinking about upgrading to the telescopic stabilizers just for ease on bigger implements
Another commenter said that Neil said they are worse with ag tires. I don't know?? I do know I have a set if you are interested.
Take the set pins out on both sides and let them dangle by the chain. That will give you more room. Once the implement is on then you can rock the cultivator back and forth to set the pins tight. I have had those telescoping pieces for a few years on my L3901. Easier then the turnbuckles but you cannot get them as tight. I hate the implement rocking back and forth.
That was one reason I was not going to put them on...too much slop. I'm still using turnbuckles......these stabilizers are collecting dust on a shelf!
@@PineyGroveHomestead Wish there was a better heavy duty solution. I've replaced all of the bolts and pins as they bend and break over time.
Can you turn your arms over so it will give you more width
If I follow what you are saying, then they won't open wide enough for the implements.
I think your three point arms have another hole in them closer to the tractor, i can see it in the video, try moving the new stabilizer bars to that hole and see if that dosen't solve your problem.
That might help it go wider, but then it won't have many, or any, holes that line up. It's a flawed design...
JUST REPLACE CAT 1 PINS FOR SHORTER ONES ON YOUR ATTACHMENTS ! VERY CHEAP REPLACEMENT !
Good idea, but some of our implements have the pins welded.
You may also turn the pins around and have them facing in if they aren’t welded!!
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Look at the Pats quick hitch system and that would solve the problem without having to modify anything
That would work! Might just get a new tractor instead though!
Turn the pins on the implement to the inside. should help.
Our pins are welded on most of our equipment and that would only solve this box blade. Our bush hog pins are much wider. Thanks for watching.
Easy fix.....Just change your mounting pins on the implement to face inward rather than outward.
Pins are welded!
I removed the Cotter pins and put a Hair pin in its place. Now I can remove that pin at any time.
I'm still doing it the old way!
Wow I’m surprise they didn’t fit, I hope Neil will give your money back 🙋🏼♂️🙂👍🏻
Hey Luc. They fit the tractor, but they don't fit the implements. Messicks has a 30 day return policy or something like that and it was past that time. Plus there would be shipping and restocking fees, so they will sell at my estate sale for $10 20 years from now! Live and learn!
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Turn your pins on your attachments around.
Some of them are welded.
Get the rims put on a wider setting
Spacers would do it.
Can you put your pins on the inside and not the outside of the box blade I've seen people have to do that before!
I was going to say that same thing. Seems like much less work as well. But what about other implements he might be using on there... May not be able to make them work?
@Drue Smith unless they are welded I would think that they can all be moved .
Just went and looked at my box blade and my tiller the pins can't be moved on them because they are the kind that slide thru brackets for the lift arms!
@@chriselliott2364 thats how my box blade is. You have to take the pin out on the box blade and get the lift arm in there lined up just right. Can be a pain. Have yet to order a quick hitch, but then all i have for now is the box blade anyway. But the way his lift pins are, with a nut on the inside, it can be flipped. If he had what we have, the lift arms woulndt need to open so wide. Anyway, no tractoring for me today. Its been raining. Booo hooo lol.
I have several implements that are not quick hitch compatible so i use the pats easy hitch to connect them before my health got bad I would just wrestle them around , but not anymore lol!
Just get pats quick hitch.
Would you be able to find a telescoping stabilizer for your needs?
I think they all are going to have the same clearance issues with our older implements. For what it costs to buy all new implements, we'll just use the old original turnbuckles. They work!
put your pins on the inside of the box blade. That will solve it.
Most of our other other implements are welded.
flip your pins on ur implement so there on inside not pointing out
Some of ours are welded.
That’s a major disappointment. The telescoping stabilizers have been my favorite upgrade on the BX.
I was so excited about them, until I wasn't!! Turnbuckles for life!!
Neil should modify the telescoping stabilizers so they'll open wide enough to hook up average width implements. You shouldn't have to spend more money buying other aftermarket parts to make them work. Neil should modify them, or refund your money.
Messicks has a restocking fee so with shipping and restocking, it's not worth sending them back! More tractor videos here: th-cam.com/play/PLG5yS75HLzo3RVqEuA0f6IioXV6FtFhHW.html