True. I wouldn't prioritize it over a contract that brings assets though. There's going to be somebody available at any point, to play the 3rd string center for a team that isn't prioritizing wins right now.
@@86Sentra I would sign Javale McGee if he still has a little left in the tank. Good vet presence, similar to roll he played in Sacramento. He still played solid def in the 8 min a game he played. He is 36 though.
Its not just that the Pistons didn't get a defensive center. It is that they lost out (i.e. were beat badly) in every position and aspect of free agency. On a roster/competitive basis we are--if possible- in a worse position than last year vis-a-vis other NBA teams and particularly the younger teams.
I will say you said Gary Trent jr was a bad defender. Out of all the guys you mentioned he would be the best. He’s atleast neutral and he has improved this past season
He’s not a good on ball point of attack defender - though still better than THJ - but yeah he’s not a _bad_ defender because he’s very disruptive off ball. As far as 6’5” guards who aren’t on ball guys, he’s as good as you can hope for
@@dbuck2862 Neither is a FA but both are on the block And Stew in particular makes some sense in Milwaukee because he can still shoot and fits what should be their scheme around Dame. (Chris Boucher is the guy they should target though.) Ainge would probably convince Trajan to give him Ivey for Walker & Collier though
@@michaelahurt Giving up IVEY would be a huge mistake, Pistons need to keep looking at team looking to dump contract for a big, that can post, defend and hit mid range shoots.
@@scottwickett1273 a 10% block rate isn’t pedestrian. That’s the same as Walker Kessler. Evan Mobley was 9%. Clingan was 11% Now you’re just making stuff up to discredit Duren?
If you are not one of the " prime" cities, the best way to attract free agents is to prove you are a winner ( or at least can be) . Pistons need one or two promising seasons before that might happen for them.
Okoro would be a good get if they choose to not use the cap to get more assets. 40% 3pt shooter on 3 a game, really good perimeter defender, JB likes him a lot and can probably be gotten for cheap.
I agree as well. I would be fine trading Ivey right now for future assets (whatever we can get) if we can get Okoro. I just don't see Ivey ever developing into even an average defender. I think the longer we wait, the lower his value becomes. There is still a lot of upside potential seen because of his elite rim pressure. Ivey's defensive weakness is on par with Killian Hayes' offensive shooting at this point last year.
Man that Tobias/Duren Front Court D is about to be horrific. You can’t start Stew because you are giving up a million rebounds with whomever you pair with him. Next season is going to be interesting to say the least.
@@MrTonyJ Exactly. Duren was fine when he had competent defenders in front of him. The team had a 115 defensive rating with Duren if you remove the Bogdanovic minutes. And Bickerstaff will help a ton. The perimeter defenders will be in the right spots and Duren won't get hung out to dry as much He's not Chet or Wemby or Mobley or Rudy but he can do what Orlando's bigs do. Especially when he's their age
I look at the Pistons as a salary dump location are Paul Reed an option. He is someone who I think can come in and play the 4/5 alongside Duren but he can also play alongside Stew at the 4/5. I'm not sure how he fell out of favor in Philly but he plays hard.
I don't want JD on the bench. Gotta fit him into the Starting Line Up somehow. Plus, Cade in today's League can easily average 25-27 ppg; so all I'd want from my 4 and 5 is around 10 ppg. The focus for me at 4 and 5 is more about Rim Protection and Size. We need to start playing Detroit Basketball again. Stifle the opponents and hit them upside the head with Fast Breaks.
@@Glosokah A lot of people I know agree with this opinion. Stew is way better because Duren is a horrifically shitty defender. And, I probably wouldn't like you either, because you are very clearly dumb as fucking shit if you think Duren is better than Stew: Duren sucks, we all hope that changes.
@@Glosokah Neither are ideal starting centers, but they are what we have. I don't really care which one starts, as they should be splitting the center minutes on this team depending on the matchup. Duren is better offensively (assuming he has Cade and at least 2 shooting wings on the floor with him), but Stewart is better Defensively. They both have 7'5'' wingspans, so I wouldn't say either is really undersized at center.
If they had a logjam they wouldn’t have re-signed them. I think they are very happy with their big man rotation They are basically just running it back and giving KCP the Fultz and Ingles minutes
Duren will be the starter and beef Stew will sub him out. Stew is the better player defensively but he's not exactly a rim protector. The hope is Duren, who is still just 20 years of age, will develop defensively this year. They have to curtail his activity into being a 5th option with zero plays for him (other than the lob or pick and roll), and make him play D as his main job. Duren sees himself right now as an offensive scorer but the coaches need to beat that out of him or he will be gone in 2025/26. He needs to show massive progress as a rim protector in 2024.25.
@@Heru313 While Ayton was on Sun, the games he played, they were leading the NBA in almost every team stat category, the games he missed they drop to ranks in the 20's, after he was traded they never recovered and all their team stats was low. He looks lazy but he change the defense and help teams stats. The teams at the top of team stats usually had the best records in the NBA.
gonna get a flawed bloated Center contract with some picks. That's what the goal is this year. what high upside center would want to come as a FA for a developmental year, or two, or three?
Why would you do that? You just sign Fontecchio last. He’s restricted, he’s not going anywhere. There’s no reason to handicap yourself by finalizing that deal.
Regarding L. Ball, why would we do anything to help out a division rival, unless they really sweetened the pot. A 1st, or c multiple 2nds are the only way this should happen.
I don't understand the Lonzo Ball argument. He hasn't played in 2 years why would he be any different than Joe Harris who battled injuries last season? CJ McCullum is my number 1 sneaky trade since he fits perfectly next to Cade, is a veteran presence, and has 2 years left on his deal so he falls in line with Tobias contract.
@@teezzz9645 To be fair he’s said he likes Ivey as a prospect. He just doesn’t see the fit with Cade Most fans understand the game in a very simplistic two dimensional way so it’s like, “Cade needs shooters. Anyone who can’t shoot is bad.” Without really stopping to remember you need _three_ guys who can do stuff with the ball and understanding how Ivey’s ability to attack close outs actually does create more space for Cade and gets him easier shots Most people have a hard time envisioning something they haven’t seen. They just want to copy what worked for someone else. But most good offenses are designed around the players on that roster and can’t be replicated
Every time you do the wink wink nudge nudge, you're wrong about it. You did that so much about borrego be in our head coach, you were way off on that. Just something I noticed I think it's kind of funny. But you always kick ass on these videos, keep going, hopefully one day you leave locked on network and start your own because I feel like you could do a far better job without all the limitations
kus winking and nudging is his way of letting his viewers know he has some reliable intel.. quite possibly JE3 or whoever, but he obviously can’t blab about it. the problem is, although his sources are probably credible , it seems that the new front office is having fun throwing curve balls and holding their vision pretty close to the vest. or is it chest? idk. love ku tho.
Looks like that the Sixers are trying to trade or even waive Paul Reed to save some money. Good defensive big, not enough for them to be a Embiid backup I guess, but would be good enough for us. He would put some pressure on Duren's lazy ass.
I feel like the reality of Paul Reed has never matched the theoretical idea. He’s just too small. But he’s a good energy guy and he’s super disruptive. Him and Stew together would be pretty good in a more aggressive scheme. Especially against bench units And at this point we don’t seem to have many options
I like the idea of Saric. Although you probably need to run two different offenses and defenses And I think you still need a pure rim roller for Cade if/when Duren is hurt But I love the idea of Saric with Ivey and Holland in a five out DHO heavy offense. Then you just play to the level and let Stew and Holland play rim protector from the backside on defense
@@michaelahurt I think Cade would shine like Haliburton with space to attack the paint. Ivey would also look impressive with space. If we want to clog the paint with defenders we can just give Ausar and Ron more minutes. Roll men aren't as valuable now as during the RJ Drum era. Shuck Drum was better than Duren last season yet barely landed more than a vet min contract.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 But Hali shoots from 30 feet. Cade shoots from 18. Yes, _IF_ Cade can extend his defender to 30 feet he _would_ look similar to Hali but he can't. Maybe someday. Ausar and Ron together will clog the paint but if you space the floor correctly, leaving them should result in an alley opp. Dallas was literally just in the NBA Finals with a roll man. Dunks are always valuable. Free throws > dunks > layups > theees And guys like Luka, Cade, Trae, later career CP who aren't super athletic can use screens to create advantages. It also helps their (below the rim) finishing because they can use the threat of the lob to keep the shit blocker at bay. And they use their quick processing to pick apart a defense. That's why Boston switched. Because as good as they are, Luka will win every time if they play straight up. A PnR is literally impossible to stop consistently if it's run well (by good offensive players) because you can't defend it with two people. It's too much space with the vertical element. The offense will get a good shot.
@@scottwickett1273Scott do actually understand basketball? Stew is a good _help_ defender and weak side rim protector. When you put him in drop and make him defend PnR he makes Duren look like Gobert. Go watch the tape and look at how many points the team allows with Stewart at 5 Your hatred of Duren has blinded you to reality
I think we’re sitting pretty with the roster we have who were our bigs last year? Stew wiseman & duren. We have fonteccio Tobias Ausar @ 4 .. I’m not trading any assets. Just sign Dwight or Javale
If we don’t get a rim protector, and Duren doesn’t take a leap defensively next year, we’re gonna be looking at a 19 win season. That’s how important rim protection is
@@teezzz9645 blocking shots made by short unathletic players with no hope to ever be a professional basketball player. It's another to do so against long, fast, athletic NBA players. Drummond blocked more shots as a rookie than Duren. Same with year two. Blocking shots isn't the same as defense, but Duren doesn't pass the eye test there either. Duren is a better defender than Bagley, who's better than Wiseman. But that's a low bar?
Dude, listen to yourself. What's the difference between Joe Harris and Lonzo Ball, if Ball is hurt. I would much rather Buddy Heild give him a one plus one contract.
The pistons had no shot at getting any of these Rim protecting Big, that could post in FA. This is why they should have drafted one, they would have changed up the entire defense and offense and allow for easier shot for our wings and guards.
I think the difference in potential between Holland and Clingan was just too much But a big like that would simplify the defense for sure. Offensively Clingan isn’t really close to Duren as a roll man but he has similar upside as DHO and short roll passer and his sheer size means he _should_ be able to destroy mismatches. And should still be a good roll man. Think Steven Adams The one thing long term is Duren - assuming he doesn’t bulk up too much like Embiid or Drummond and stays lean like Giannis - will be better in space because he’s so much more athletic. Which matters in the playoffs since drop works less well the further you advance
@@michaelahurt Clingan showed he could defend, post, and shoot Mid range and 3pt shots in his combine. His shooting technique looked 1000% better than duren. We didn't need Clingan to be a 15-24pt scorer his first year, just a someone that they could rely on in the post. It was a huge mistake not getting a big, as all the top team that have winning records and making the playoff has Bigs' that they rely on in the post with and elite scorer. This has been the same for past 3-6yrs in the NBA.
@@dbuck2862 So did Ben Simmons Don't be fooled by a guy making shots in an empty gym. That's how you draft Darko Duren shot 80% from the line. Clingan is 50%. Duren has significantly better shooting touch. And btw you can watch videos of making threes in practice too. Who relies on what bigs in the post? Jokic? That's the list. Maybe AD too. Chet can't post, Lively can't, Gobert can't, KP "posts up" 16 feet from the basket, Embiid is 25 feet from the basket, so is Myles Turner, Hartenstein and Robinson don't post up .... Like what are you talking about? And Clingan wasn't even a good post player in _college_ against a bunch of 6'8" dudes And Duren is a better post player than Clingan anyway. His footwork is way more advanced and he has a softer touch
@@michaelahurt Ben Simmons never had a good shooting Form. You can tell when a player can shoot and when he needs to work on it shot form and release. Clingan can shoot and you can see it in how his form and shot release is. As far as we know in College his coach only wanted him playing low post and pick and roll. College system are not the same as NBA and coaches do not care about the 3pt or mid range shoots as much for big.
@@dbuck2862 Duren pre-draft workout below. Same stuff. Except he was younger and shooting off the dribble. No one should ever get too excited about a workout. People seem to forget how good even the 'bad' NBA players are at all this stuff th-cam.com/video/n6rEhtqqAe4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JhH5TgbL3hWz_R66
Trade for a wing man on a shit deal and get picks Sign dinwiddie on a 1y8m deal using our exception Sign Tek-19 3y45m Sign Javale McGee to a 1y min deal Cade / Dinwiddie / Sasser Ivey / THJ / Vet Trade Ausar / Holland / Moore Tobias / Tek-19 / Bobi Duren / Stew / McGee
@@teezzz9645 No Duren is a horrifically shitty defender, and you are still engaging in contemptibly slanderous lies about Ku; I can only conclude that you are a rather terrible person in addition to being very stupid.
Let me say this I like the idea of having Lonzo Ball as a backup PG/SG but not as a longterm starter next to Cade. That injury was substantial and it's a crap shoot whether he's even able to play consistent minutes and games. So if the idea is to rehab him then trade him sure. As long as it doesn't interfere with the development of Ivey, Ausar, and Holland. Like I said love the direction of the team because I believe in the development and growth of the core 5 now. Holland, Duren, Ivey, Cade, and Ausar. Understanding if all works out one or two of these guys will have to go but at least develop so they can bring real value. Can we enjoy what many would say is probably Detroit's most athletic team ever. The vet signing were perfect. In my opinion Ivey and Duren take a step forward return to why many thought so highly of them with a coach who knows how to develop your players. Just my thoughts.
@@Truthtella I fuck with Ivey but a lot of these broadcasters always talking bad about Ivey. I believe Ivey will eventually be better than Cade. I know i am gonna get talk bad on for this. but IDGAF.
@@brucebedrock4274J.B. will do a much better job of unlocking Ivey than Monty. Trading Ivey right now, without something much more than that in return, is a huge mistake.
So lemme get this str8. A rook who avg 14 and 12 during his curve, right.. In a league who is analytical about possessions. And you wanna do what on a rookie contract??? In Vinson I Trust!
@@scottwickett1273 with what Veteran presence in the lockeroom or competent coach in his ROOKIE tenure?? I'll wait??? U want embed go to Philly. They're young bruh
I love James Edwards the III but can someone please tell him to stop trying trade Duren and Ivey, especially Duren. That trade he came out with to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson whis always hurt & McBride who is a bench player was crazy.
Even if we don’t get a starting big, we need a third big. It’s not like Stew and Duren will both play 82 and never have foul trouble.
True. I wouldn't prioritize it over a contract that brings assets though. There's going to be somebody available at any point, to play the 3rd string center for a team that isn't prioritizing wins right now.
I’d look at theis, he fits the mold of a serviceable veteran big
Who yall got in mind?
@@86Sentra I would sign Javale McGee if he still has a little left in the tank. Good vet presence, similar to roll he played in Sacramento. He still played solid def in the 8 min a game he played. He is 36 though.
good call on mcghee
Saric could be an option, doesn’t help rim protection but he can play the 5 and stretch the floor
Its not just that the Pistons didn't get a defensive center. It is that they lost out (i.e. were beat badly) in every position and aspect of free agency. On a roster/competitive basis we are--if possible- in a worse position than last year vis-a-vis other NBA teams and particularly the younger teams.
Huh? Sixers improved sure BUT Tobias gonna lock down P.George. Duren gonna lock down Embiid. And Ivey gonna shut down Maxey. We got this 💪
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I will say you said Gary Trent jr was a bad defender. Out of all the guys you mentioned he would be the best. He’s atleast neutral and he has improved this past season
He’s not a good on ball point of attack defender - though still better than THJ - but yeah he’s not a _bad_ defender because he’s very disruptive off ball.
As far as 6’5” guards who aren’t on ball guys, he’s as good as you can hope for
Walker Kessler would be awesome. Also Lopez would be a perfect bridge player to get Duren to where he needs to be.
is he even a free agent?
@@dbuck2862 No, both would have to be acquired via trade.
@@dbuck2862 Neither is a FA but both are on the block
And Stew in particular makes some sense in Milwaukee because he can still shoot and fits what should be their scheme around Dame. (Chris Boucher is the guy they should target though.)
Ainge would probably convince Trajan to give him Ivey for Walker & Collier though
@@michaelahurt Giving up IVEY would be a huge mistake, Pistons need to keep looking at team looking to dump contract for a big, that can post, defend and hit mid range shoots.
@@dbuck2862 Agree. That's the point. I wasn't saying that as a compliment or something we should do.
I wanted Clingan from Connecticut then we definitely got a wing cause Tranjon Landon known for finding those.
I think Duren will take a leap defensively!!!
He better, he's reallllllyyyyyy horrible as of now.
@@teezzz9645 Nah, his block rate was pretty pedestrian his college season, you are incorrect here.
@@scottwickett1273 a 10% block rate isn’t pedestrian. That’s the same as Walker Kessler. Evan Mobley was 9%. Clingan was 11%
Now you’re just making stuff up to discredit Duren?
@@michaelahurt I stand corrected. My apologies. Misremembered.
If you are not one of the " prime" cities, the best way to attract free agents is to prove you are a winner ( or at least can be) . Pistons need one or two promising seasons before that might happen for them.
Okoro would be a good get if they choose to not use the cap to get more assets. 40% 3pt shooter on 3 a game, really good perimeter defender, JB likes him a lot and can probably be gotten for cheap.
Yes, love this.
I agree as well. I would be fine trading Ivey right now for future assets (whatever we can get) if we can get Okoro. I just don't see Ivey ever developing into even an average defender. I think the longer we wait, the lower his value becomes. There is still a lot of upside potential seen because of his elite rim pressure. Ivey's defensive weakness is on par with Killian Hayes' offensive shooting at this point last year.
I seen something about the bulls potentially moving off of vucevic idk how true it is but
We a take him with Three seconds
Bulls going into tank mode.
Man that Tobias/Duren Front Court D is about to be horrific. You can’t start Stew because you are giving up a million rebounds with whomever you pair with him. Next season is going to be interesting to say the least.
Starting Ausar or Holland at one of the wings can help with that.
@@MrTonyJ Exactly. Duren was fine when he had competent defenders in front of him.
The team had a 115 defensive rating with Duren if you remove the Bogdanovic minutes. And Bickerstaff will help a ton. The perimeter defenders will be in the right spots and Duren won't get hung out to dry as much
He's not Chet or Wemby or Mobley or Rudy but he can do what Orlando's bigs do. Especially when he's their age
@@MrTonyJOne initiative defender can't cover the spread of 4 inadequate defenders via Duren, Tobias, Ivey & Cade.
@@michaelahurt Duren was not fine, that's just not true.
@@scottwickett1273 115 is league average
That is objectively and factually fine. Average is neither good nor bad.
I think Daniel Theis is still available, he would be a great fit.
I look at the Pistons as a salary dump location are Paul Reed an option. He is someone who I think can come in and play the 4/5 alongside Duren but he can also play alongside Stew at the 4/5. I'm not sure how he fell out of favor in Philly but he plays hard.
A defensive center is what we need someone that team will have to think about driving on like a Kessler who is a blocking machine.
A Defensive legit 7'0 ft + Center is exactly what's needed. Play JD at the 4. Go Big.
@@DEEDUBZJD would be a terrible 4
@@DEEDUBZCade would demand a trade immediately if we even considered running that lineup
@@teezzz9645 He can't guard you.
I don't want JD on the bench. Gotta fit him into the Starting Line Up somehow. Plus, Cade in today's League can easily average 25-27 ppg; so all I'd want from my 4 and 5 is around 10 ppg. The focus for me at 4 and 5 is more about Rim Protection and Size. We need to start playing Detroit Basketball again. Stifle the opponents and hit them upside the head with Fast Breaks.
I like Mitchell Robinson or Walker Kessler
Robinson is probably off your wish list. With the Knicks losing Hartenstein, I can't see Knicks moving him
@@michaelpowell9152 their trying to dump salary it’s a possibility.
@@Stank-Stankson They are no longer trying to dump his salary, specifically because they lost Hartenstein.
@@scottwickett1273 hearing reports that it’s still a possibility.
@@Stank-Stankson Where? That would surprise me.
Stew is not a backup center and Duren is undersized
You're right, Stew is a starting center on this specific team because he's so much better than Duren.
6’11” with leaping ability is not undersized. I’m far more concerned about his ankles than his size.
@@scottwickett1273 nobody in the world thinks stew is better than Duren or a starting center it’s fans like you I don’t like
@@Glosokah A lot of people I know agree with this opinion. Stew is way better because Duren is a horrifically shitty defender.
And, I probably wouldn't like you either, because you are very clearly dumb as fucking shit if you think Duren is better than Stew: Duren sucks, we all hope that changes.
@@Glosokah Neither are ideal starting centers, but they are what we have. I don't really care which one starts, as they should be splitting the center minutes on this team depending on the matchup. Duren is better offensively (assuming he has Cade and at least 2 shooting wings on the floor with him), but Stewart is better Defensively. They both have 7'5'' wingspans, so I wouldn't say either is really undersized at center.
Wendell Carter Jr. Orlando just resigned both Goga and Mo Wagner leaving them with a log jam at the C position
If they had a logjam they wouldn’t have re-signed them. I think they are very happy with their big man rotation
They are basically just running it back and giving KCP the Fultz and Ingles minutes
Everyone is talking about how much the Pistons have left under the salary cap. Have they resigned Fontecchio yet?
They can spend all the cap then use bird rights to extend Fontecchio. If we don't use the cap Tek gets us over the cap floor.
He's been given a qualifying offer.
You can spend all your cap and then use Simone rights to go over the cap
@@LockedOnPistons thank you for clearing that up.
Why would they trade Duren or Jaden Ivey there only getting 12 mil together if you was a GM what would you think
Because they're bad, and you want to cash in before everyone else finds out? Just spitballing here.
@@teezzz9645 If Duren starts they lose 60+ again. He can't guard you.
Duren will be the starter and beef Stew will sub him out. Stew is the better player defensively but he's not exactly a rim protector. The hope is Duren, who is still just 20 years of age, will develop defensively this year. They have to curtail his activity into being a 5th option with zero plays for him (other than the lob or pick and roll), and make him play D as his main job. Duren sees himself right now as an offensive scorer but the coaches need to beat that out of him or he will be gone in 2025/26. He needs to show massive progress as a rim protector in 2024.25.
Stew is a lot better than Duren, and therefore should start.
@@teezzz9645 That's not true.
Can probably trade for Ayton if you're OK swallowing the contract. Might get some picks in return for taking him on.
Ayton isn't a rim protector at all and nope he is good suffering not trying.
@@Heru313 While Ayton was on Sun, the games he played, they were leading the NBA in almost every team stat category, the games he missed they drop to ranks in the 20's, after he was traded they never recovered and all their team stats was low. He looks lazy but he change the defense and help teams stats. The teams at the top of team stats usually had the best records in the NBA.
gonna get a flawed bloated Center contract with some picks. That's what the goal is this year. what high upside center would want to come as a FA for a developmental year, or two, or three?
Hawks or bulls center
Would we still have the Same cap space if we sign Simone? to make the trade for ball?
Why would you do that? You just sign Fontecchio last. He’s restricted, he’s not going anywhere.
There’s no reason to handicap yourself by finalizing that deal.
Why u think they dont have defensive versatility
Simone asura,ron holland stew are 4 defensive players right there
Regarding L. Ball, why would we do anything to help out a division rival, unless they really sweetened the pot. A 1st, or c multiple 2nds are the only way this should happen.
I don't understand the Lonzo Ball argument. He hasn't played in 2 years why would he be any different than Joe Harris who battled injuries last season? CJ McCullum is my number 1 sneaky trade since he fits perfectly next to Cade, is a veteran presence, and has 2 years left on his deal so he falls in line with Tobias contract.
He's exactly the same as Joe Harris, yes. It would be about draft-pick bribery.
@@teezzz9645 Repeating the same contemptible fucking lie over and over again does not make it more true.
@@teezzz9645 To be fair he’s said he likes Ivey as a prospect. He just doesn’t see the fit with Cade
Most fans understand the game in a very simplistic two dimensional way so it’s like, “Cade needs shooters. Anyone who can’t shoot is bad.”
Without really stopping to remember you need _three_ guys who can do stuff with the ball and understanding how Ivey’s ability to attack close outs actually does create more space for Cade and gets him easier shots
Most people have a hard time envisioning something they haven’t seen. They just want to copy what worked for someone else. But most good offenses are designed around the players on that roster and can’t be replicated
Duren can be an archer just a frustrating season as a team . We seen the potential but we need more help tho
Duren is a below average free throw shooter. What makes you think he can shoot the three?
Are the Clippers shopping Zubak?
I don't think the Knicks move Robinson. He's their only center
What about Bol Bol
Sogbed w Suns
Robin Lopez is still a free agent.
That's a good fit
@@Jamar-lg9ob I think back injuries have already ended his career.
@@scottwickett1273 still good for locker room
@@Jamar-lg9ob Agreed!
Robin retired
Every time you do the wink wink nudge nudge, you're wrong about it. You did that so much about borrego be in our head coach, you were way off on that. Just something I noticed I think it's kind of funny. But you always kick ass on these videos, keep going, hopefully one day you leave locked on network and start your own because I feel like you could do a far better job without all the limitations
kus winking and nudging is his way of letting his viewers know he has some reliable intel.. quite possibly JE3 or whoever, but he obviously can’t blab about it. the problem is, although his sources are probably credible , it seems that the new front office is having fun throwing curve balls and holding their vision pretty close to the vest. or is it chest? idk. love ku tho.
Try to get Clint
This season straight development Stew sasser asuar Holland fronttechio our defense
Looks like that the Sixers are trying to trade or even waive Paul Reed to save some money. Good defensive big, not enough for them to be a Embiid backup I guess, but would be good enough for us. He would put some pressure on Duren's lazy ass.
Yes, I love BBall Paul, he's a good player.
I feel like the reality of Paul Reed has never matched the theoretical idea. He’s just too small.
But he’s a good energy guy and he’s super disruptive. Him and Stew together would be pretty good in a more aggressive scheme. Especially against bench units
And at this point we don’t seem to have many options
See is the Hawks will give assets with a Capella trade
There's no way the Pistons looking for a Center, when we released Wiseman.
Lmao wut.
@@teezzz9645 That is a lie.
What about Dario Saric? Stretch big.
Saric is currently my #1 target.
But we probably have to wait until other teams don't offer him a better deal.
I like the idea of Saric. Although you probably need to run two different offenses and defenses
And I think you still need a pure rim roller for Cade if/when Duren is hurt
But I love the idea of Saric with Ivey and Holland in a five out DHO heavy offense. Then you just play to the level and let Stew and Holland play rim protector from the backside on defense
@@michaelahurt I think Cade would shine like Haliburton with space to attack the paint. Ivey would also look impressive with space.
If we want to clog the paint with defenders we can just give Ausar and Ron more minutes.
Roll men aren't as valuable now as during the RJ Drum era.
Shuck Drum was better than Duren last season yet barely landed more than a vet min contract.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 But Hali shoots from 30 feet. Cade shoots from 18.
Yes, _IF_ Cade can extend his defender to 30 feet he _would_ look similar to Hali but he can't. Maybe someday.
Ausar and Ron together will clog the paint but if you space the floor correctly, leaving them should result in an alley opp.
Dallas was literally just in the NBA Finals with a roll man. Dunks are always valuable. Free throws > dunks > layups > theees
And guys like Luka, Cade, Trae, later career CP who aren't super athletic can use screens to create advantages. It also helps their (below the rim) finishing because they can use the threat of the lob to keep the shit blocker at bay. And they use their quick processing to pick apart a defense.
That's why Boston switched. Because as good as they are, Luka will win every time if they play straight up. A PnR is literally impossible to stop consistently if it's run well (by good offensive players) because you can't defend it with two people. It's too much space with the vertical element. The offense will get a good shot.
I think we should get Deandre Jordan to be the 3rd big to mentor duren
We about to trade for KAT or ayton
Holy shit no, don't even say that!
Trade Jaden Ivey for Walker Kesler, then sign Tyus Jones
I'd start Stewart and give Duren 20 minutes off the bench. Let him increase his minutes with improved defense.
Yes, of course. Stew is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better, he deserves to start.
@@scottwickett1273Scott do actually understand basketball?
Stew is a good _help_ defender and weak side rim protector. When you put him in drop and make him defend PnR he makes Duren look like Gobert. Go watch the tape and look at how many points the team allows with Stewart at 5
Your hatred of Duren has blinded you to reality
@@michaelahurt I don't hate anybody, I just don't think you can win games with Duren starting.
@@scottwickett1273 and that a 20 year old can't get better
@@michaelahurt I didn't say that, but he's so bad on defense I am dubious he can ever become good, if that's what you mean.
Walker, javale, Trent jr, Alonzo or trade for a TRAJAN/ bickerstaff player from former teams.
No moves on day 3 for the Pistons boring day
I think we’re sitting pretty with the roster we have who were our bigs last year? Stew wiseman & duren. We have fonteccio Tobias Ausar @ 4 ..
I’m not trading any assets. Just sign Dwight or Javale
should’ve just took clingan
Yes!
@@MikeyP123 Counterpoint: no!
@@scottwickett1273 enjoy the 0 spacing again
@@MikeyP123 Clingan can't shoot?
I would have taken Holland 1, A+ pick.
@@scottwickett1273 holland is a wing Clingan is a center. Holland is unplayable at this stage in his career
i'll take the last year of lonzo ball's contract for a first round pick
Let Duren Develop. No better teacher than experience. Play Duren 35 minutes a game. FUCK rim protection.
Trying to lose 60 games is the goal so you will probably get to see it happen.
If we don’t get a rim protector, and Duren doesn’t take a leap defensively next year, we’re gonna be looking at a 19 win season. That’s how important rim protection is
@@obi3924 there are not any rim protectors in FA. Teams like the Knicks are looking to add some via trade.
@@teezzz9645 blocking shots made by short unathletic players with no hope to ever be a professional basketball player. It's another to do so against long, fast, athletic NBA players. Drummond blocked more shots as a rookie than Duren. Same with year two. Blocking shots isn't the same as defense, but Duren doesn't pass the eye test there either.
Duren is a better defender than Bagley, who's better than Wiseman. But that's a low bar?
@@teezzz9645 No he can't defend, that's a lie.
If the Pistons were set on getting a rim protector, they could have easily signed a FA. Their actions show it is not a priority.
So tanking, then.
Precious achiuwa
Bring back Taj. Or sign tristian Thompson. Give Duren a vet he can finally learn from
Dude, listen to yourself. What's the difference between Joe Harris and Lonzo Ball, if Ball is hurt. I would much rather Buddy Heild give him a one plus one contract.
Taking on Lonzo is about collecting future draft picks while tanking for Flagg.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yes, exactly!
@@teezzz9645 Stop lying, JFC what the fuck is wrong with you?
The pistons had no shot at getting any of these Rim protecting Big, that could post in FA. This is why they should have drafted one, they would have changed up the entire defense and offense and allow for easier shot for our wings and guards.
I think the difference in potential between Holland and Clingan was just too much
But a big like that would simplify the defense for sure.
Offensively Clingan isn’t really close to Duren as a roll man but he has similar upside as DHO and short roll passer and his sheer size means he _should_ be able to destroy mismatches. And should still be a good roll man. Think Steven Adams
The one thing long term is Duren - assuming he doesn’t bulk up too much like Embiid or Drummond and stays lean like Giannis - will be better in space because he’s so much more athletic. Which matters in the playoffs since drop works less well the further you advance
@@michaelahurt Clingan showed he could defend, post, and shoot Mid range and 3pt shots in his combine. His shooting technique looked 1000% better than duren. We didn't need Clingan to be a 15-24pt scorer his first year, just a someone that they could rely on in the post. It was a huge mistake not getting a big, as all the top team that have winning records and making the playoff has Bigs' that they rely on in the post with and elite scorer. This has been the same for past 3-6yrs in the NBA.
@@dbuck2862 So did Ben Simmons
Don't be fooled by a guy making shots in an empty gym. That's how you draft Darko
Duren shot 80% from the line. Clingan is 50%. Duren has significantly better shooting touch.
And btw you can watch videos of making threes in practice too.
Who relies on what bigs in the post? Jokic? That's the list. Maybe AD too. Chet can't post, Lively can't, Gobert can't, KP "posts up" 16 feet from the basket, Embiid is 25 feet from the basket, so is Myles Turner, Hartenstein and Robinson don't post up .... Like what are you talking about? And Clingan wasn't even a good post player in _college_ against a bunch of 6'8" dudes
And Duren is a better post player than Clingan anyway. His footwork is way more advanced and he has a softer touch
@@michaelahurt Ben Simmons never had a good shooting Form. You can tell when a player can shoot and when he needs to work on it shot form and release. Clingan can shoot and you can see it in how his form and shot release is. As far as we know in College his coach only wanted him playing low post and pick and roll. College system are not the same as NBA and coaches do not care about the 3pt or mid range shoots as much for big.
@@dbuck2862 Duren pre-draft workout below. Same stuff. Except he was younger and shooting off the dribble.
No one should ever get too excited about a workout. People seem to forget how good even the 'bad' NBA players are at all this stuff
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What is your obsession with trading Jaden Ivey?
Trade for a wing man on a shit deal and get picks
Sign dinwiddie on a 1y8m deal using our exception
Sign Tek-19 3y45m
Sign Javale McGee to a 1y min deal
Cade / Dinwiddie / Sasser
Ivey / THJ / Vet Trade
Ausar / Holland / Moore
Tobias / Tek-19 / Bobi
Duren / Stew / McGee
Thank god we didn’t give a dude who’s been on 7 teams and puts up 8 and 8 30 million
Who are you referring to?
Andre Drummond back up center !!
He signed with Philadelphia
Duren is supposed to be our defense guy last time I check
Have you watched any Piston games? Duren is horrible on defense. He is letting even the slowest players out there blow past him.
He's the worst defensive center alive, with the possible exception of Wiseman.
Seriously, he's horrible at it.
@@teezzz9645 No Duren is a horrifically shitty defender, and you are still engaging in contemptibly slanderous lies about Ku; I can only conclude that you are a rather terrible person in addition to being very stupid.
They let Wiseman go and didn't draft Clingan. DUH!
Let me say this I like the idea of having Lonzo Ball as a backup PG/SG but not as a longterm starter next to Cade. That injury was substantial and it's a crap shoot whether he's even able to play consistent minutes and games. So if the idea is to rehab him then trade him sure. As long as it doesn't interfere with the development of Ivey, Ausar, and Holland. Like I said love the direction of the team because I believe in the development and growth of the core 5 now. Holland, Duren, Ivey, Cade, and Ausar. Understanding if all works out one or two of these guys will have to go but at least develop so they can bring real value. Can we enjoy what many would say is probably Detroit's most athletic team ever. The vet signing were perfect. In my opinion Ivey and Duren take a step forward return to why many thought so highly of them with a coach who knows how to develop your players. Just my thoughts.
Lonzo is retired, he will never play again, it's only about getting draft picks.
Should’ve kept Wiseman lowkey smh 🤦🏽♂️
No we shouldn’t have. He’s terrible
Hes not WISE man
@@MikeyP123 He’s definitely gonna help Indiana watch
@@Stank-Stanksonfacts
man I swear some of you fans slow
Still heartbreaking duren didn’t become that rim protecting big last year.
And by heartbreaking you mean predictable.
Would you trade Ivey for lonzo and a first?
Nope.
@@Truthtella I fuck with Ivey but a lot of these broadcasters always talking bad about Ivey. I believe Ivey will eventually be better than Cade. I know i am gonna get talk bad on for this. but IDGAF.
I love Ivey but I would trade him to take on LaVine's contact if the Bulls also include a 1st round pick with him.
Ivey has major trade value. Lonzo is a salary dump.
A random 1st would be a terrible return
@@brucebedrock4274J.B. will do a much better job of unlocking Ivey than Monty. Trading Ivey right now, without something much more than that in return, is a huge mistake.
No on Robinson, just not a very good player. They need to check with Orlando about Wendell Carter.
I rather try and get brogdon.
John Wall???
So lemme get this str8. A rook who avg 14 and 12 during his curve, right.. In a league who is analytical about possessions. And you wanna do what on a rookie contract??? In Vinson I Trust!
Now do defense.
@@scottwickett1273 with what Veteran presence in the lockeroom or competent coach in his ROOKIE tenure?? I'll wait??? U want embed go to Philly. They're young bruh
Since his rookie season I meant
@@TheSkilful1 He's quite bad, regardless of why; we all hope that changes.
The should have drafted a Center
I love James Edwards the III but can someone please tell him to stop trying trade Duren and Ivey, especially Duren. That trade he came out with to the Knicks for Mitchell Robinson whis always hurt & McBride who is a bench player was crazy.
James Edwards is a reporter, not the GM
I like that trade if I get a second first.
Gambling is the devil
Lol.
Trade 2030 first for Walker Kessler we should of kept wiseman but might can get capella with a couple seconds
They should not have kept Wiseman, he's one of the very worst players in league history. C'mon.
@@scottwickett1273 cap
Stop promoting gambling ku
Why? Everyone else is doing it, and I do mean everyone.
(Gamblers deserve whatever happens, nobody is making you do it.)
@@teezzz9645 But why is Ku being singled out? It is ubiquitous nowadays.
@@scottwickett1273
Exactly, keep getting your money Ku