Sorry if the audio is off or if the video is weird. Vegas made an oopsy and now I have to use MICROSOFT CLIP EDITOR (dear god help me) until it is resolved LOL. But yeah focus on like 4 to 6 units because you will genuinely ruin your progress if you spread yourself too thin. Think this is only 50 to 60. Imagine 70 to 80.
it's gonna be hard to showcase every character unless you pace yourself, should probably start with the guaranteed free characters as well as the rate-up characters on the limited warp, which totals to 10 characters right now (MC, March 7th, Dan Heng, Servel, Asta, Herta, Natasha, Hook, Pela and Seele) Since Players are more likely to have them, to see which one the Player feels is worth building or if they what to try to pull for the limited character now or wait for a rerun/not pull at all.
You're exaggerating things. We've already seen this happen in Genshin before, and reactionary videos like this was what led to a lot of people not leveling their characters above 80 for more than a year because "Resources after 80 is not worth it". But over time, people can and will max level as many characters as they want - after all, events and quests all give a consistent trickle of EXP and currency over time. At most it'll just set people back a week, at most a few weeks, plus not everyone would be max leveling every character immediately anyway. It's certainly not "Ruin your account" levels of clickbaiting.
@@albertofrederickimana8046 ? You absolutely should level units to 80 in star rail. More so just being cautionary to newer players to not spread their resources so thin. Is it over dramatic? Absolutely. But my message stays. Not everyone has the knowledge we do.
Also this game isn't genshin. In turn base games you need variety to do different content, specially with weakness break. Id say 6-8 units is a safe bet for investment
Isnt that what we did in genshin like Slowly build chars we like but also good and can work together with others Clara and trailblazer tank should be on diff teams as they want to taunt and be attacked
@@andressuarez312 you're going at it backward, genshin are free-er as you don't need the variety, you can kill any content with one or type of main dps as long as it's invested enough. Honkai is harder because you HAVE to make use of that variety to break those shields.
This is not a mistake, i maxed out all my characters in genshin and yes it makes me drain resources and I progress much slower but in the long run i have options and makes gameplay way more fun and not repetitive since we will eventually have that stage where we run out of content, remember star rail is a 7 year journey, not a 1 week journey!
yep, that's what i do in genshin as well. instead of hyper focusing on 1, i bring up everyone together. took me almost 2 years to 36 star abyss, but also at that point, i could also swap out any character i wanted without swapping weapon or artifact set because they all had one. now year 3 as a f2p i'm still getting through these new super buffed abyss 12, and i can swap characters out if i need to. the issue is in games with a long grind is, diminishing returns on investment, which you don't run into if you bring everyone up at the same time. there's no wasted grind just for a 1% increase on a single character, instead in that time you get a 10% increase on like 15 characters, even if they all are weaker. in the long run an account doing this will be stronger then an account that doesn't, assuming they are both f2p and can get all reward content.
same. I'm casual. I level nearly all the characters except 10 to lv 80 ascended and talent 6/8/8. I don't regret it. my artifact may suck because I didn't bother farming for those except for my 2 main dps for abyss. But... I'm having fun with my odd team comps. Don't ask me about cryo Benny or healer thundering fury Heizou. Instead of one big number, I prefer going for many small numbers. I don't regret it. 😊
I regret not doing that. I'm in the process right now but grinding for the ascension resources is waaayxto boring when your exporation is at 100% and all you are looking for is literal grass... I decided to max everyone early so later on, i only need to focus on new characters.
This is usually the first rule of any gacha game. Coming from a gacha like infinite magicraid, I've learned to be very very careful with who and what I use my resources on. That game allowed resources for literally only 7-8 fully leveled heroes after 6 months of everyday play. Glad this game seems much more generous
this honestly isn't even that bad. it was to be expected i knew what it was gonna be like once i saw the same book system from genshin here. this doesn't ruin anything and merely slows you down, this isn't like deleting your main artifacts and shit its workable events just like in genshin will probably give a good few purple books too
Leveling everyone to 40 out of 50 and eventually 60 out of 70 for the Standard Passes to get more pulls is worth it. Not everyone's Traces though, only the Traces of the characters ya plan to use in Forgotten Hall + Simulated Universe. 😉
That is how the temptation of just buying a Battlepass starts. It offers so much resources when you look at it right now that the game is just new and people want to progress as much as possible. I hope the events that they would release could somewhat ease the grind for us who don't have the luxury. Nevertheless, if we think about it everyone will get there eventually.
@@allnamesaretakenful why care so much about FTP status. Its not a online game theirs isnt a leaderboard. So is it just to flex? idk, if ur pressed for cash it totally makes sense but if u truly enjoy the game spending 5-10 bucks isnt a sin lol.
I'm TL42 and I have 8 units built because of forgotten hall. Variety is important and having at least 2-3 DPS is the way to go, up until 8-10 characters (2 healers; one per team, and the rest supports). Those are always my rules when new gacha/rpg games come out. It happened to me with Genshin and I was already prepared before HSR.
i love how all these youtubers go "THIS WILL RUIN YOUR ACCOUNT!!! OMG DONT DO THIS" when things like this are not only expected but a minor inconvenience just like C6ing ben doesnt RUIN your account. only makes him less universal .
Tbh the "THIS WILL RUIN YOU ACCOUNT" stuff is just playing the youtube game. Hate it or love it we all have to do it. (Im prob the most honest about it), however what I am mostly trying to avoid is inexperienced players spreading themselves too thin struggling at end game not understanding why and then quitting. Using myself as an example I feel is perfect imo, and albeit dramatic it does grab attention and hopefully reaches people who need it.
@@Valkyrja i understand the TH-cam game, but you could add some clarity that this will not matter in about a year or so if you are still playing the game. You may want to make a dedicated video on it. (An idea for you) The game is fun, but it is casual as well. It is just harder to see that because it is early and people are looking at the “abyss” as content you have to play and not just an end-game place to mess around with your high level characters.
@@thatonecomment6893 exactly. And at this point in Genshin, it is better to c6 Benny. His infusion aids in breaking shields, and there are more than enough dedicated supports or EM dendro teams that don’t even care about attack for it to matter.
Bro the game just game out a little over a week ago no shit your not gonna be able to magically get your characters to max level no matter how much money you decide to waste doing it
personally i love the grind to get stronger in a game which i haven't gotten from genshin recently because i have way too many well built characters now and there is no point in grinding unless a new character comes out that i like.
Ermm.. that is basically how it was in Genshin. Blast 3 DPS characters to full, support characters to just about right. Because spiral abyss will need you to have 3 teams end game. Never use your energy refill for the level up. Use it for the 5 star relic dungeon.
Yeah, personally i only have my most used 5* to 90, all the rest of the 4* i use are either at 70 or 80, with level 5-7 talents (unless i was lucky enough to get cons so their talents are bounced up to 9-10).
Leveling characters to 60 feels tempting to a ticket rewards. But still you don't have to rush to level em all. Anyways, grind traces materials for your main 4 first. Calculate how many to synthesize to purple ones. That way you can maxed out your trace levels. ( It's just like Talent levelings in Genshin ) ^^
I understand the concern but this is just a way to get people to keep on playing the game, if you got hella resources and could level up all your characters and beat the game super easy a lot less people would want to login on the daily.
I still don't see how this ruins your account, first why is there such a need to rush everything? your not missing out on anything or losing some position in some leaderboard or any such thing, there's not even pvp to claim thats the reason. To me this only points to impatience. your claiming your going to be behind everybody right? who exactly are you going to be behind? There is no co-op, no interaction with anyone else other than a support, you 100% playing by yourself. There is no time limit on the current content so why rush (if an event was active maybe). Also the games only been out for roughly a week so my mind is kinda blown by this logic. the only people i see being affected by what your claiming is content creators who are trying to stay ahead of the curve of creating videos and such or whales. the average person playing a few hours a day isnt going be affected by this if they are playing causal so yes i do have to say your exaggerating your point way too much. In terms of building teams and focusing on a few units at a time is a general sense of playing any rpg gacha game. and if a person is not familar with that type of game sure informing them of such helps but to go as far as ruin your account.. that's beyond extreme.
Lmao this is literally like one of the first rules of all gachas. NEVER EVER spread your resources to everyone, always level up the main team first then slowly do a new unit after finishing the main team, and repeat
I leveled a bunch of characters to 40 gauged their potential and picked 7 that I will be drafting with and took those to 50 (still hoping for Tingyun for 8th slot). Then I will only be taking my dps characters to 60 while supports will just be ascended and kept at 50 for the time being
You need at least 8 units for the forgotten hall. But realisticly more because of different shields etc. This mode will be whale oriented for months. Can't say it's worth worrying about tho, kinda like Abyss in Genshin. I rather play sim worlds in HSR.
It does vary on a case-by-case basis, but every gacha does hit the point of becoming a grind fest and nothing else for a period of time. How soon you get to that point really depends on the type of player and how you manage your resources from the beginning. I haven't come across this issue since I'm only using the 8 free characters you get and have yet to summon, but for someone with a larger roster? Yes, your experience can come to a drag if you have a lot going on in your account.
The only content where you need your characters above lvl50 right now is memory of chaos so there is no need to push characters to lvl60 unless your focus is that.
I don't mind so much. I can quick grind on auto. Log off the game and work on my comission drawings/do housework etc. Then a few hours later repeat it again. I have about 5 characters past lvl 40 and 2 lvl 50s.
As someone who has played Genshin and a handful of other gachas in the past three years, this was something I knew going in and that I was prepared for. I've ended up with a main team, for now, of Seele, Himeko, Natasha, and Bronya. Those are level 50. I also have my fire MC at 50 (since she'll potentially be needed for story things, so I figure keeping her leveled is logical.) and a level 40 March (who got replaced by Himeko). My main four will advanced through the grind, my MC will get stuff when I have a chance to advance her. And everything else will stay the heck still until that's done because I know that I need a set team to advance with the content. THEN I can look at adding a character here or there.
ugh, everyone got Bronya so early, I'm stuck with Seele with Asta/Pela still for so long (not saying it's a bad duo, decent at most, but I really want Bronya)
My recommendation is this: If free to play, just focus on the given characters. You don't even need to roll. If not free to play, roll until you've reached your budget before even playing the game and focus on the 4 characters you want to main. Once you've gotten to almost end game, or can't proceed anymore, you focus on getting more characters up to the level and using different strategies.
My advice to any player without bailu or geppie is to make fire mc Natasha and March 3 of the units you level. In forgotten hall fire mc and March will be your survivability for a side and Natasha will be your healing for the other side. Mc you should level since they also seem required for certain missions regardless. Then pick a single target dps and an aoe dps. Work on those 5 units and when you have them ready for the next tier you can branch out to figuring out what other 3 characters to build so you have 8 units built for the two team forgotten hall. Supports like tingyun, Pela, and asta seem pretty safe to pick and likely whatever five star you did get can also be built for one of your teams. Happy trail blazing and don’t do what this mad man did to show by example 😂. Know you knew what you were getting yourself into but you have to be a special kind of crazy to do that……just like how I almost have 180 summons saved for jing and spent nothing on seele….but I do have hook Pela and Natasha 😂
Yeah as a ar58 in genshin and didn’t do that mistake I always focus on 1 character then move to another one in this game I have 7 at level 50 and when I hit Trailblazer 40 this week I will focus on 4 only then focus 1 max then another
Yeah the grind is gonna be crazy either way...forgotten hall requires 8 characters and I totally forsee Hoyo in the future making most of the endgame enemies 1 elemental weakness only with more and more niche mechanics to force us to pull and build more characters. I think the main reason why they made the grind auto is so we couldnt complain too much. I also started levelling to 50 already a bit too many character coz I just wanted to try other teams out ..buuut I will have to stop myself, OR just accept a very slow progress...tho to be fair since I already finished the main story...there really aint nowhere to rush.
@@johnd7760 The point still stands...you are trying to disprove the wrong part of the argument. Every game having it rather futher proofs its a mechanic to allows faster farming only on the surface while it actually wont be faster at all.
@@Kunoichi4ever4 but, of course, that's why i didnt say anything abt the rest, but only that. Sadly, as it happens to all life service turn based, after 1 year, things will get boring and/or dps check..
Light cone xp and character xp are the only thing I've been farming daily. Haven't even done a lot of questing (just got fire trailblazer) but I assume I'll be getting plenty of resources from those.
There will be more resources during events etc. but yeah for first month or two people need to be carefull and focus on one team and then one unit at the time that is the best way. It will pass especially for f2p player with much less unit to work with. Whales training to build all units as they release that will be never ending pain.
I basically invested in two groups. One with Erudition / Support swap. Other one with Destruction / Support swap. Hopefully we'll only ever need two groups of 4 for any content.
Sup my Duuuu..... Right on for the heads up! Just got all my characters to level 50 and about to hit Trailblaze 40. I was just wondering how much the exp scaling was going to be when i came across this. Keep up the good work my duuu😎
I just got to TL 40 and ascended yesterday and thankfully, I had and ONLY farmed the materials of 4 characters. I successfully upgraded all of them and now I’m left with a little under a million credits. I had roughly 3 million to start with though.
Also as a F2P. Don't go and spend 100 Stellar Jades for 60 energy, Stick to just using 50 Stellar jades instead if you want to if your F2P or just not at all.
Coming from my experience with playing genshin for almost 3 years straight without missing a day in grinding? Slow down and take your time. You will reach there eventually.
what I decided to do was ascend all my characters I am not using atm to phase 2 and focus on the characters I actually use those being MC, Seele, Tingyun when I actually get her. and Natasha. when Jing Yuan comes around i'll consider another team to build with him in it. but atm those 4 are my priority.
I'm new to Honkai Star Rail and Genshin, just started playing about 2 months ago, it's very simple : 1. Want to be OP in early ? Max out your valuable characters, till you run of resources and grind with your upgraded characters, you'll progress slowly of course. 2. Want to save materials and do a story line speed run ? fine, just save it and upgrade the characters at some point when you find it difficult to fight for. Just don't be stupid to challenge a Spyrall Abyss / Forgoten Hall that so much higher above you characters level until you burn yourself out just because you couldn't win the fight at some cap🤣 Take it easy, it's mean to be play for fun, learn your own mistakes by doing trial and error yourself, it's not a competition anyway😂
Huh I have 5 characters at level 50 and most of the rest at 40 I got Selee after I got to level 50 with serval so... rip I guess... I'm still not done with the story though.
Me f2p gacha veteran with my 4 characters: "they're maxed level 60, 4* relics maxxed trying to find a decent 5* relic to push into them, all planars maxxed, all traces maxxed, as a f2p player running traveler, seele, asta and gepard with ample respurces and over 2 million credits, and I still have a level 40 natasha and march waiting doing nothing" 👁👄👁 If you just focus on your 4 main, you'll be fine. When you get up to 8 people teams, all you have to do is put traveler + asta + gepard on one team (if you don't have gepard use march or clara), put in a level 20 who will just help and have planar bonus to increase traveler damage, and then on the other team put Seele (or another dps) with any buffer (tingyun/bronya, I don't have EITHER) and put Natasha (or Bailu if you have) and the other 2 spots are free. It will obviously be extremely difficult to clear this way, but as I said, I'm not blatantly burning resources for no reason. I pick and choose who I'm leveling. Right now, lvl 40 march with the free ice damage set you get in shop, is doing 600 dmg while handing out 800 dmg shield taunt on traveler, when she hits 60 she's going to be hitting much harder and bigger shields. Natasha keeps team 2 alive, and gepard keeps team 1 alive. You need 1 dps and 1 support per team, and you can clear. Will you clear everything with 3*? Not likely. Can you clear everything tho? Should be 100% possible. So far, I have 3*ed all the way up to forgotten mirror 10, and I've 2*ed forgotten hall 11. I haven't attempted forgotten hall 12 because it tilts me not getting 3* and I can't 3* hall 11 yet. Trailblazer 41, Seele and everyonr on 4* relics, no 5* relic yet. Note: I didn't just immediately power up 4* relics, I waited until I had a decent 4* relic set with GOOD stats to powerup, I think the first relic I powered up was at trailblazer 33. I was coasting the entire time with traces and lightcones, and I got Seele at 32 trailblaze. Seele was 1700 attack on +9 4* relic set musketeers at level 50, she is currently at 1820 on a crit rate/crit damage build, but that's because I'm trying to farm a 5* version of her set (quantum dmg set) and the moment I get it,l decent relics for it, I sacrifice the current set and max out that one to +15. I'm expecting +2000 attack on cd build, otherwise around +2500 attack on an attack build. You have a seele and way to many people. You have Clara. If you're struggling to progress, it's purely because as the title suggests, you ruined your acc, however much of your advise seems misguided or you simply haven't learned your lesson. Everybody's goal should be to have a speed set on your 2 supports, and those supports can be lvl 50, lvl 60 is just icing on top. They give you 2 free options, March and Asta. You then want a shield or healer on each team, on a speed set with the planars that increase ally damage. Fire traveler can fill this role as taunt tank, same as natasha. Then you need 2 dps, aka Hook, Seele, etc. Hook isn't the best but gets the job done. Seele is busted for obvious reasons, etc. Then you have your +1 on each team. On fire travelers team, consider using an additional dps such as Hook. On Seele's team, consider using Arlan as bonus dps. Arlan is great because his skill consumes hp and not actions, and Seele needs all of the actions. Hook is good for generating bonus dps. In essence, you should focus on your main 4, which will be level 80 eventually. Your still needed but not vital +2 (arlan, gepard, natasha, etc) so level 70 is fine, and your last 2 who don't require insane stats and are there mostly just to help out (arlan, hook, march, etc) and lvl 60 is fine, even lvl 50 is fine for them. This way, you should always have ample resources to do what you need to do, and the game doesn't feel like a grind fest. Focus your resources where you need, not where you WANT.
I'm thinking the update will offer more ways to lvl up. the nameless glory will reset in 5 days (of course you have to pay but its not much). Events will give us exp drops and other drops just like the tournament did. More mission rewards will appear too (the npcs with limited repeat missions). Memory resets every 13 days and lvl 60 characters seem to do the trick. We'll just have to see what Hoyo has learned from genshin and see how they apply the update.
I am mostly a saver. (if it isn't pulling) I mostly just focus on just my 4. I saved so much and now I have somewhere like 100 Traveler Guide, 300 Adventure Log's and 300 of the other. This may sound like a lot, but these barely get my characters to lvl 60.
Specially if you go the FTP route right? Not wasting money at all, reason number 3 why im stuck in GI. That + available time for me to play the game xD
bro why people really like to exaggerate this kind of sht, just like genshin "omg don't c6 your bennet like me or your account is ruined" it doesn't really matter memory of chaos will get easier sooner or later, like in spiral abyss i don't even need 5 star character nor weapon anymore to get the full star
I like the game because Its mostly a waiting game for the trailblazing energy or whatever to recharge and I just gotta log in for like 30 minutes a day to spend the resin and do simulated universe, forgotten hall and all those stuff during the weekend and 1 quest a day.
yes, this is a problem - in the short term. i think people forget that you do not need several high leveled characters (in fact, i would argue you only need 2). remember genshin? where you could realistically beat abyss with low leveled characters if your enabler/hyper carry was good enough? this is the concept of investment. who benefits the most from being invested in? the dps who does, realistically, 70% of your damage? or the supports who have diminishing returns? similarly, levels do not provide that big of a stat difference to begin with. seele, a dps character, goes from a base 639 hp, 439 atk, and 249 def at asc.4 to... a whopping base 703 hp, 489 atk, 274 def. thats... around a total of +120 in stats across all 3. it is not the levels that provide the big stat difference - it is the ascensions (just like it was with genshin). i mean look at your video: herta goes from her asc.4 stats with an increase of 20 hp, 12 atk, and 8 def in exchange for 60 trailblaze fuel. this is NOT worth it. what is worth it is ascending all your characters for minimal investment to get the highest value for the lowest cost and don't evel let me mention relics. relics improve your stats SO much more than straight leveling does. that 2.7% hp on an artifact? it provides more hp scaling than your actual levels. the 4.3% atk? more atk scaling than your actual levels. even the flat numbers are likely to provide more value than JUST levels. what am i arguing here? that everyone should farm relics? no, god no, but do NOT make the mistake in considering levels to be the most important thing to consider in characters; it is not the individual (or, really, even all 10 combined) levels but the ascensions at the end which provide the biggest stat buffs (with way less of a cost). do NOT focus on leveling up your entire team, just focus on your dpses and who you love the most
It does sting now that I have finished story and am TB40+ but there is literally no quests to do and just grind left now. So the only thing I find entertaining is to make an alt.
Genshin really isn't different in that aspect. The big difference is that you have had years of grinding. That means you have tons of resources just sitting around already. Start a new account and try to get 8 characters to max level and you will realize it is just as bad if not worse in genshin. You have to remember that this is designed around taking months to get your characters set up and leveled.
I don't mind it taking months and months. I am sure that is how Hoyo designed it. I just work on little things at a time and log out. Not a big deal. I'm not going anywhere. I figured this out trying to get 8 characters to 50. It's only a problem if you are in a massive hurry and straight no life the game like you did.
honestly most gacha's take a lot more resources to lvl chars up. (like there are some where it takes a full month to lvl a char from 1 to max.) But ye only focus on 4 chars (or 5 if you have teams off 5) is the one thing that every person that is a bit more experienced with gacha games have learned the hard way.
8 characters is definitely a must. You don't go any lower than that given how much damage you need to do on Memory of Chaos. 12 cycles in TOTAL for 4 bosses over 2 teams
Or if you want to no life this game you can grind every enemy on the map which nets you about half the exp needed to level up for each of your whole party at around level 55 or so
To be fair, you can do this and take your game slower and build everyone. To each their own, depends on what you prefer. Game is single player anyways so you won’t be ‘behind’. Game is not a competition.
I don't know man, I have a single strategy, I need a DPS of every Element and their supports built up to where I can make use of them somehow in a dire situation and focus on a single 3-4 Chars Team, specially Neutral Elements and max them out
Its ok to work on 8 characters while focusing on just a few. You will need 2 teams for the major endgame content any. Right now im grinding 5 star relics each day. My seele is almost fully built so ill star working on yanqing next. Then tingyun and then natasha. Then ill start farming for my second team. But have 8 characters in mind and hope you get bailu
rn i have my main team in mind which is jing yuan (when he comes out), tingyun, welt, natasha, now the problem is the 2nd team because i only have natasha so i wont have a healer in my 2nd team but the 3 characters i plan on putting in the team is dan heng, fire mc, march
Genshin was my first gacha and I did this exact same thing and was just hard stuck cause I was getting destroyed in the new world tier and I just quit. I ended up coming back when they added the ability to drop down a tier and fixed my account after awhile. I won't lie though I absolutely feel the urge to level them all in Star Rail even though I know it will screw me over lol
You are better off focusing on traces first because Xp will be easier to get in the future once more content drops alongside an event after Seele's banner
Imo the grind is completely fair, yes its heavy and yes it takes time, but the fact that you can auto negates alot of the work you would have to put in and basically just turns it into a time crunch, for the type of game honkai sr is, that being turn based with passive features, it needs to be hard to level up or everyone will eventually be maxed on everything, the time crunch makes it so only dedicated players will reach max level not just anyone and everyone if anything the grind could be harder and i still wouldn't complain. What im saying is its not Difficulty it just comes down to time, just have some patience and youll be max level in no time.
at the end of the day i max every character. in genshin. even if i did the worst in star rail i'd still max it. after a 1-2 years. the artifact grind is far worser. but i did follow the advice of working on 4 characters only in genshin. but i got board of artifact domains i just maxed all character to 80-90 which is less painful
Its anoyoying when i did my Equilibruim level plus i cant change it back, I will be draining my Trailblazer powers but i want to spend fuels on relics in late game, therefore slowing my progression, honkai SR did us dirty
It won't happen, but I wish they'd take a page out of nikke's book and letyou reset level on characters for a small fee of crystals, it would make it slightly less painful when you screw up
You need more than 4 characters. Unless you know the ins and outs like some other streamers getting the info from beta players. Getting you through world 6 in a little over a week. You are going to suffer with only 4 characters. I've upgraded the 3 best support my account has and then 1 characters of each element to break/dmg with. That's about 8-9 characters i've considered lvling since it's just the best way to go since break and speed management is super important in this game.
No, Valk.. It's not 3 levels. What it is.. Is pain! *Laughs slowly turn into cries* I'm TB lvl 33 so far and it already hurts. I'm in the process of doing the 40-50 Ascensions *Pain Intensifies* Me: "Ah yes i have 4 characters appropriately invested into" HSR: "Oh LoOk A nEw SiTuAtiOn YoU hAvE tO aDapT tO!!" Me: "FFFFUUUUUU- " *The pain continues*
I only upgrade like 10 character to 50 seele, bronya, mc, himeko, pela, serval, nat, march, dan, tingyun Gonna narrow down to 8 unit for 60 Seele, Bronya, Nat, Mc, Pela, Serval, Dan and Tingyun
Im sorry to say but Ive already split my resources between literally all my characters, about 12, but once I lock down my main 8 im gonna start focusing one at a time
Yeah this kind of sucks tbh. This game is different as there is much more to offer in having a large roster of character. Being able to swap out different elemental main DPS, different elemental AOE, dots, Support characters, healers and tanks. But this is really good to have in mind, you definitely want to have the resources available every time you are able to ascend your characters to instantly max out 4 characters. Although it's hard to imagine when a person would actually have the time to max every character because you'd have to farm for the exp mats, light cones, traces AND relics. And we all know the relics will take a fuck ton amount of time to get decent enough stuff to feel like you can comfortably move onto other characters.
Game is just out and probabily will have to wait a couple months before new story upgrades, just take your time upgrading chars and stuff. I don't think it is a mistake, first or later you will have all characters up to max, just start with main chars and once you max one go on the next one.
This is another way of saying why you should focus on your main team first especially if you're F2p. Cus some newbie don't get it when people saying why you 'shouldn't' maxing all your characters.
I don’t think it’s too bad tbh. We are still early game after all. When we start going into late game and when events start rolling out, it should be easier
Hmmm, pretty sure we need variety here so leveling around 8 or more character is reasonable. In my case, I only try to invest on my supports to some extent, then focus on the DPSs. Also, you will have much time before you hit TL 40 so I guess you can use that time to farm ascension mats - not 4* relics that will eventually get replaced. Q: But there are 5* relics available in World 5 and 6. A: I'm also doing that since I already farmed ascension mats for my main units.
This is NOT REALISTIC AT ALL for F2P players. If you are f2p or not a high spender DO NOT do this. Realistically you need to invest 4 characters (a DPS. Shielder, Healer and a buffer). Every content except forgotten hall can be cleared by using 4 characters if you have good survivability and decent damage.
Im not that far into the game and still trailblaze level 22 but it's Still helpful since i was considering leveling other characters not taking the resources into account.
I mean...it's...the same logic you should follow in genshin in early game...or any other game with this style of gameplay. Also pull for what you need (Always in early). But yeah I noticed characters need more exp the higher they get.
I mean don't make them 60 cause u will be farming a lot and they will lev up naturally when u reach next equilibrium so it will be waste of material keep them at 56 or 57 .
I got the really good team and fucked it up by getting gepards taunt talent. If you want to use Clara and gepard together don't get the taunt. Wait till you need two teams to grab taunt and the game will be smoother.
In my opinion, you can level all the characters, BUT only when you unlock the specific chokepoints where you'd get the ticket, and even then, maybe wait a bit since not only do you have to grind for levels, but also light cones and traces, so that's exp mats for 3 things, but also mats for trace unlocking and ascention
I just level up whoever I think I might need for certain battles. Its rule no. 1 to not pour all your resources into all of your characters. But I always encourage people to play in their own way. So if you want to max all of your characters, thats valid as long as you have enough resources
Sorry if the audio is off or if the video is weird. Vegas made an oopsy and now I have to use MICROSOFT CLIP EDITOR (dear god help me) until it is resolved LOL.
But yeah focus on like 4 to 6 units because you will genuinely ruin your progress if you spread yourself too thin. Think this is only 50 to 60. Imagine 70 to 80.
it's gonna be hard to showcase every character unless you pace yourself, should probably start with the guaranteed free characters as well as the rate-up characters on the limited warp, which totals to 10 characters right now (MC, March 7th, Dan Heng, Servel, Asta, Herta, Natasha, Hook, Pela and Seele) Since Players are more likely to have them, to see which one the Player feels is worth building or if they what to try to pull for the limited character now or wait for a rerun/not pull at all.
You're exaggerating things. We've already seen this happen in Genshin before, and reactionary videos like this was what led to a lot of people not leveling their characters above 80 for more than a year because "Resources after 80 is not worth it". But over time, people can and will max level as many characters as they want - after all, events and quests all give a consistent trickle of EXP and currency over time.
At most it'll just set people back a week, at most a few weeks, plus not everyone would be max leveling every character immediately anyway. It's certainly not "Ruin your account" levels of clickbaiting.
@@albertofrederickimana8046 ? You absolutely should level units to 80 in star rail. More so just being cautionary to newer players to not spread their resources so thin. Is it over dramatic? Absolutely. But my message stays. Not everyone has the knowledge we do.
Can you make a tutorial on how to defeat gepard on simulated universe? He's so tough I can't beat him
You need to focus on more than just 4-6 units as the forgotten hall requires 8 units eventually. You are fairly safe focusing on 8-10 units.😊
Also this game isn't genshin. In turn base games you need variety to do different content, specially with weakness break. Id say 6-8 units is a safe bet for investment
@@andressuarez312 more actually, 8 is the least i'd said
Isnt that what we did in genshin like
Slowly build chars we like but also good and can work together with others
Clara and trailblazer tank should be on diff teams as they want to taunt and be attacked
@@andressuarez312 you're going at it backward, genshin are free-er as you don't need the variety, you can kill any content with one or type of main dps as long as it's invested enough.
Honkai is harder because you HAVE to make use of that variety to break those shields.
@MuhammadKharismawan Yeah especially since if your good you can dodge most stuff in genshin but there is no dodging in this game
Well duh who in their right mind would level up every character unless they're a total newbie to gacha and rpg games.
If only levelling EVERY character was the issue. Keep in mind, this is only 50 to 60. This problem is gonna get so much worse LOL
@@Valkyrja don't forget the talents
@@DerelictSong relics : hello there
@@Infernaladmiral light cones: aren't you forgeting something?
LUL yup
This is not a mistake, i maxed out all my characters in genshin and yes it makes me drain resources and I progress much slower but in the long run i have options and makes gameplay way more fun and not repetitive since we will eventually have that stage where we run out of content, remember star rail is a 7 year journey, not a 1 week journey!
yep, that's what i do in genshin as well. instead of hyper focusing on 1, i bring up everyone together. took me almost 2 years to 36 star abyss, but also at that point, i could also swap out any character i wanted without swapping weapon or artifact set because they all had one.
now year 3 as a f2p i'm still getting through these new super buffed abyss 12, and i can swap characters out if i need to.
the issue is in games with a long grind is, diminishing returns on investment, which you don't run into if you bring everyone up at the same time. there's no wasted grind just for a 1% increase on a single character, instead in that time you get a 10% increase on like 15 characters, even if they all are weaker.
in the long run an account doing this will be stronger then an account that doesn't, assuming they are both f2p and can get all reward content.
in the long run, you'll get others 😂
so how's your FH progress? probably too casual for that so..
same. I'm casual. I level nearly all the characters except 10 to lv 80 ascended and talent 6/8/8. I don't regret it. my artifact may suck because I didn't bother farming for those except for my 2 main dps for abyss. But... I'm having fun with my odd team comps. Don't ask me about cryo Benny or healer thundering fury Heizou. Instead of one big number, I prefer going for many small numbers. I don't regret it. 😊
I regret not doing that. I'm in the process right now but grinding for the ascension resources is waaayxto boring when your exporation is at 100% and all you are looking for is literal grass...
I decided to max everyone early so later on, i only need to focus on new characters.
Me who levels up characters just because I want intertwine fates : 👁👄👁
This is usually the first rule of any gacha game. Coming from a gacha like infinite magicraid, I've learned to be very very careful with who and what I use my resources on. That game allowed resources for literally only 7-8 fully leveled heroes after 6 months of everyday play. Glad this game seems much more generous
i will just focus o seele natasha and mc
@@SHINIGAMI6774 what about your beginner banner 5 star?
people need to chill and not grind the fuck out of a game that just released like 1 week ago, holy ass
Its launch, don't get that excited. After lvl 50,more resources are needed
this honestly isn't even that bad. it was to be expected i knew what it was gonna be like once i saw the same book system from genshin here. this doesn't ruin anything and merely slows you down, this isn't like deleting your main artifacts and shit its workable
events just like in genshin will probably give a good few purple books too
Leveling everyone to 40 out of 50 and eventually 60 out of 70 for the Standard Passes to get more pulls is worth it. Not everyone's Traces though, only the Traces of the characters ya plan to use in Forgotten Hall + Simulated Universe. 😉
That is how the temptation of just buying a Battlepass starts. It offers so much resources when you look at it right now that the game is just new and people want to progress as much as possible. I hope the events that they would release could somewhat ease the grind for us who don't have the luxury. Nevertheless, if we think about it everyone will get there eventually.
I'm so tempted to get the Battlepass. Really the only thing stopping me is I won't be a FTP Account.
are we gonna get an event soon?
@@allnamesaretakenful why care so much about FTP status. Its not a online game theirs isnt a leaderboard. So is it just to flex? idk, if ur pressed for cash it totally makes sense but if u truly enjoy the game spending 5-10 bucks isnt a sin lol.
@@allnamesaretakenful Why are you treating being F2P as a badge of honor though?
5$ isnt luxury.... anyone can afford it
I'm TL42 and I have 8 units built because of forgotten hall. Variety is important and having at least 2-3 DPS is the way to go, up until 8-10 characters (2 healers; one per team, and the rest supports). Those are always my rules when new gacha/rpg games come out. It happened to me with Genshin and I was already prepared before HSR.
Absolutely not.
It will slow your progress, but that really doesn’t matter. The game, like Genshin, will hit a point where you just grind.
And if you don’t care about the “abyss’s”, it doesn’t matter. In-game bosses can be beat underleveled.
i love how all these youtubers go "THIS WILL RUIN YOUR ACCOUNT!!! OMG DONT DO THIS" when things like this are not only expected but a minor inconvenience
just like C6ing ben doesnt RUIN your account. only makes him less universal .
Tbh the "THIS WILL RUIN YOU ACCOUNT" stuff is just playing the youtube game. Hate it or love it we all have to do it. (Im prob the most honest about it), however what I am mostly trying to avoid is inexperienced players spreading themselves too thin struggling at end game not understanding why and then quitting. Using myself as an example I feel is perfect imo, and albeit dramatic it does grab attention and hopefully reaches people who need it.
@@Valkyrja i understand the TH-cam game, but you could add some clarity that this will not matter in about a year or so if you are still playing the game.
You may want to make a dedicated video on it. (An idea for you)
The game is fun, but it is casual as well. It is just harder to see that because it is early and people are looking at the “abyss” as content you have to play and not just an end-game place to mess around with your high level characters.
@@thatonecomment6893 exactly. And at this point in Genshin, it is better to c6 Benny. His infusion aids in breaking shields, and there are more than enough dedicated supports or EM dendro teams that don’t even care about attack for it to matter.
Bro the game just game out a little over a week ago no shit your not gonna be able to magically get your characters to max level no matter how much money you decide to waste doing it
personally i love the grind to get stronger in a game which i haven't gotten from genshin recently because i have way too many well built characters now and there is no point in grinding unless a new character comes out that i like.
Ermm.. that is basically how it was in Genshin. Blast 3 DPS characters to full, support characters to just about right. Because spiral abyss will need you to have 3 teams end game. Never use your energy refill for the level up. Use it for the 5 star relic dungeon.
Yeah, personally i only have my most used 5* to 90, all the rest of the 4* i use are either at 70 or 80, with level 5-7 talents (unless i was lucky enough to get cons so their talents are bounced up to 9-10).
Leveling characters to 60 feels tempting to a ticket rewards. But still you don't have to rush to level em all.
Anyways, grind traces materials for your main 4 first. Calculate how many to synthesize to purple ones. That way you can maxed out your trace levels. ( It's just like Talent levelings in Genshin ) ^^
I understand the concern but this is just a way to get people to keep on playing the game, if you got hella resources and could level up all your characters and beat the game super easy a lot less people would want to login on the daily.
I still don't see how this ruins your account, first why is there such a need to rush everything? your not missing out on anything or losing some position in some leaderboard or any such thing, there's not even pvp to claim thats the reason. To me this only points to impatience. your claiming your going to be behind everybody right? who exactly are you going to be behind? There is no co-op, no interaction with anyone else other than a support, you 100% playing by yourself. There is no time limit on the current content so why rush (if an event was active maybe). Also the games only been out for roughly a week so my mind is kinda blown by this logic. the only people i see being affected by what your claiming is content creators who are trying to stay ahead of the curve of creating videos and such or whales. the average person playing a few hours a day isnt going be affected by this if they are playing causal so yes i do have to say your exaggerating your point way too much. In terms of building teams and focusing on a few units at a time is a general sense of playing any rpg gacha game. and if a person is not familar with that type of game sure informing them of such helps but to go as far as ruin your account.. that's beyond extreme.
Lmao this is literally like one of the first rules of all gachas. NEVER EVER spread your resources to everyone, always level up the main team first then slowly do a new unit after finishing the main team, and repeat
well if you're 10 like most of players, doubt they'll know that rule
@@johnd7760 true, true
I leveled a bunch of characters to 40 gauged their potential and picked 7 that I will be drafting with and took those to 50 (still hoping for Tingyun for 8th slot). Then I will only be taking my dps characters to 60 while supports will just be ascended and kept at 50 for the time being
You need at least 8 units for the forgotten hall. But realisticly more because of different shields etc. This mode will be whale oriented for months. Can't say it's worth worrying about tho, kinda like Abyss in Genshin. I rather play sim worlds in HSR.
Nothing can surpass the epic seven grind for equipment and 6 starring characters and their skills
It does vary on a case-by-case basis, but every gacha does hit the point of becoming a grind fest and nothing else for a period of time. How soon you get to that point really depends on the type of player and how you manage your resources from the beginning. I haven't come across this issue since I'm only using the 8 free characters you get and have yet to summon, but for someone with a larger roster? Yes, your experience can come to a drag if you have a lot going on in your account.
The only content where you need your characters above lvl50 right now is memory of chaos so there is no need to push characters to lvl60 unless your focus is that.
I don't mind so much. I can quick grind on auto. Log off the game and work on my comission drawings/do housework etc. Then a few hours later repeat it again. I have about 5 characters past lvl 40 and 2 lvl 50s.
As someone who has played Genshin and a handful of other gachas in the past three years, this was something I knew going in and that I was prepared for. I've ended up with a main team, for now, of Seele, Himeko, Natasha, and Bronya. Those are level 50. I also have my fire MC at 50 (since she'll potentially be needed for story things, so I figure keeping her leveled is logical.) and a level 40 March (who got replaced by Himeko).
My main four will advanced through the grind, my MC will get stuff when I have a chance to advance her. And everything else will stay the heck still until that's done because I know that I need a set team to advance with the content. THEN I can look at adding a character here or there.
ugh, everyone got Bronya so early, I'm stuck with Seele with Asta/Pela still for so long (not saying it's a bad duo, decent at most, but I really want Bronya)
My recommendation is this:
If free to play, just focus on the given characters. You don't even need to roll.
If not free to play, roll until you've reached your budget before even playing the game and focus on the 4 characters you want to main.
Once you've gotten to almost end game, or can't proceed anymore, you focus on getting more characters up to the level and using different strategies.
My advice to any player without bailu or geppie is to make fire mc Natasha and March 3 of the units you level. In forgotten hall fire mc and March will be your survivability for a side and Natasha will be your healing for the other side.
Mc you should level since they also seem required for certain missions regardless.
Then pick a single target dps and an aoe dps. Work on those 5 units and when you have them ready for the next tier you can branch out to figuring out what other 3 characters to build so you have 8 units built for the two team forgotten hall. Supports like tingyun, Pela, and asta seem pretty safe to pick and likely whatever five star you did get can also be built for one of your teams.
Happy trail blazing and don’t do what this mad man did to show by example 😂. Know you knew what you were getting yourself into but you have to be a special kind of crazy to do that……just like how I almost have 180 summons saved for jing and spent nothing on seele….but I do have hook Pela and Natasha 😂
Well in hindsight I'm incredibly lucky to get bailu and gepard
He clearly said he's doing that for you dummies to showcase stuff. if viewers are that dumb to do it, so be it..
Yeah as a ar58 in genshin and didn’t do that mistake I always focus on 1 character then move to another one in this game I have 7 at level 50 and when I hit Trailblazer 40 this week I will focus on 4 only then focus 1 max then another
oh no, what a nightmare. now cry
Yeah the grind is gonna be crazy either way...forgotten hall requires 8 characters and I totally forsee Hoyo in the future making most of the endgame enemies 1 elemental weakness only with more and more niche mechanics to force us to pull and build more characters.
I think the main reason why they made the grind auto is so we couldnt complain too much.
I also started levelling to 50 already a bit too many character coz I just wanted to try other teams out ..buuut I will have to stop myself, OR just accept a very slow progress...tho to be fair since I already finished the main story...there really aint nowhere to rush.
Every turn based game has auto option, it's not smth they thought for your ease 💀
@@johnd7760 The point still stands...you are trying to disprove the wrong part of the argument. Every game having it rather futher proofs its a mechanic to allows faster farming only on the surface while it actually wont be faster at all.
@@Kunoichi4ever4 but, of course, that's why i didnt say anything abt the rest, but only that.
Sadly, as it happens to all life service turn based, after 1 year, things will get boring and/or dps check..
@@johnd7760 Yeah, I think I ll play this one only for the story I dont want this game to turn into a grindfest for me like Genshin did.
Light cone xp and character xp are the only thing I've been farming daily. Haven't even done a lot of questing (just got fire trailblazer) but I assume I'll be getting plenty of resources from those.
You won't haha....
@@Spartan-sz7km dang it
There will be more resources during events etc. but yeah for first month or two people need to be carefull and focus on one team and then one unit at the time that is the best way.
It will pass especially for f2p player with much less unit to work with. Whales training to build all units as they release that will be never ending pain.
I basically invested in two groups. One with Erudition / Support swap. Other one with Destruction / Support swap. Hopefully we'll only ever need two groups of 4 for any content.
Sup my Duuuu..... Right on for the heads up! Just got all my characters to level 50 and about to hit Trailblaze 40. I was just wondering how much the exp scaling was going to be when i came across this. Keep up the good work my duuu😎
I just got to TL 40 and ascended yesterday and thankfully, I had and ONLY farmed the materials of 4 characters. I successfully upgraded all of them and now I’m left with a little under a million credits. I had roughly 3 million to start with though.
Man it's 40+ blues for each character
At least my selle is maxed and she's carrying everything
Also as a F2P. Don't go and spend 100 Stellar Jades for 60 energy, Stick to just using 50 Stellar jades instead if you want to if your F2P or just not at all.
Coming from my experience with playing genshin for almost 3 years straight without missing a day in grinding?
Slow down and take your time. You will reach there eventually.
what I decided to do was ascend all my characters I am not using atm to phase 2 and focus on the characters I actually use those being MC, Seele, Tingyun when I actually get her. and Natasha. when Jing Yuan comes around i'll consider another team to build with him in it. but atm those 4 are my priority.
I'm new to Honkai Star Rail and Genshin, just started playing about 2 months ago, it's very simple :
1. Want to be OP in early ? Max out your valuable characters, till you run of resources and grind with your upgraded characters, you'll progress slowly of course.
2. Want to save materials and do a story line speed run ? fine, just save it and upgrade the characters at some point when you find it difficult to fight for.
Just don't be stupid to challenge a Spyrall Abyss / Forgoten Hall that so much higher above you characters level until you burn yourself out just because you couldn't win the fight at some cap🤣
Take it easy, it's mean to be play for fun, learn your own mistakes by doing trial and error yourself, it's not a competition anyway😂
Huh I have 5 characters at level 50 and most of the rest at 40
I got Selee after I got to level 50 with serval so... rip I guess...
I'm still not done with the story though.
Me f2p gacha veteran with my 4 characters: "they're maxed level 60, 4* relics maxxed trying to find a decent 5* relic to push into them, all planars maxxed, all traces maxxed, as a f2p player running traveler, seele, asta and gepard with ample respurces and over 2 million credits, and I still have a level 40 natasha and march waiting doing nothing" 👁👄👁
If you just focus on your 4 main, you'll be fine. When you get up to 8 people teams, all you have to do is put traveler + asta + gepard on one team (if you don't have gepard use march or clara), put in a level 20 who will just help and have planar bonus to increase traveler damage, and then on the other team put Seele (or another dps) with any buffer (tingyun/bronya, I don't have EITHER) and put Natasha (or Bailu if you have) and the other 2 spots are free.
It will obviously be extremely difficult to clear this way, but as I said, I'm not blatantly burning resources for no reason. I pick and choose who I'm leveling. Right now, lvl 40 march with the free ice damage set you get in shop, is doing 600 dmg while handing out 800 dmg shield taunt on traveler, when she hits 60 she's going to be hitting much harder and bigger shields. Natasha keeps team 2 alive, and gepard keeps team 1 alive. You need 1 dps and 1 support per team, and you can clear.
Will you clear everything with 3*? Not likely. Can you clear everything tho? Should be 100% possible. So far, I have 3*ed all the way up to forgotten mirror 10, and I've 2*ed forgotten hall 11. I haven't attempted forgotten hall 12 because it tilts me not getting 3* and I can't 3* hall 11 yet.
Trailblazer 41, Seele and everyonr on 4* relics, no 5* relic yet. Note: I didn't just immediately power up 4* relics, I waited until I had a decent 4* relic set with GOOD stats to powerup, I think the first relic I powered up was at trailblazer 33. I was coasting the entire time with traces and lightcones, and I got Seele at 32 trailblaze. Seele was 1700 attack on +9 4* relic set musketeers at level 50, she is currently at 1820 on a crit rate/crit damage build, but that's because I'm trying to farm a 5* version of her set (quantum dmg set) and the moment I get it,l decent relics for it, I sacrifice the current set and max out that one to +15. I'm expecting +2000 attack on cd build, otherwise around +2500 attack on an attack build.
You have a seele and way to many people. You have Clara. If you're struggling to progress, it's purely because as the title suggests, you ruined your acc, however much of your advise seems misguided or you simply haven't learned your lesson.
Everybody's goal should be to have a speed set on your 2 supports, and those supports can be lvl 50, lvl 60 is just icing on top. They give you 2 free options, March and Asta.
You then want a shield or healer on each team, on a speed set with the planars that increase ally damage. Fire traveler can fill this role as taunt tank, same as natasha.
Then you need 2 dps, aka Hook, Seele, etc. Hook isn't the best but gets the job done. Seele is busted for obvious reasons, etc.
Then you have your +1 on each team. On fire travelers team, consider using an additional dps such as Hook. On Seele's team, consider using Arlan as bonus dps. Arlan is great because his skill consumes hp and not actions, and Seele needs all of the actions. Hook is good for generating bonus dps.
In essence, you should focus on your main 4, which will be level 80 eventually. Your still needed but not vital +2 (arlan, gepard, natasha, etc) so level 70 is fine, and your last 2 who don't require insane stats and are there mostly just to help out (arlan, hook, march, etc) and lvl 60 is fine, even lvl 50 is fine for them.
This way, you should always have ample resources to do what you need to do, and the game doesn't feel like a grind fest.
Focus your resources where you need, not where you WANT.
I'm thinking the update will offer more ways to lvl up. the nameless glory will reset in 5 days (of course you have to pay but its not much). Events will give us exp drops and other drops just like the tournament did. More mission rewards will appear too (the npcs with limited repeat missions).
Memory resets every 13 days and lvl 60 characters seem to do the trick. We'll just have to see what Hoyo has learned from genshin and see how they apply the update.
I am mostly a saver. (if it isn't pulling) I mostly just focus on just my 4. I saved so much and now I have somewhere like 100 Traveler Guide, 300 Adventure Log's and 300 of the other. This may sound like a lot, but these barely get my characters to lvl 60.
Specially if you go the FTP route right? Not wasting money at all, reason number 3 why im stuck in GI. That + available time for me to play the game xD
bro why people really like to exaggerate this kind of sht, just like genshin "omg don't c6 your bennet like me or your account is ruined" it doesn't really matter memory of chaos will get easier sooner or later, like in spiral abyss i don't even need 5 star character nor weapon anymore to get the full star
I'm going from one to the next building the relics they need and will start leveling onward when they're usable
Lol, everyone always forgets that it’s just like Genshin. If you try to max every character is Genshin, you’re fcked
I'm still looking for the "ruin your account" part.
I like the game because Its mostly a waiting game for the trailblazing energy or whatever to recharge and I just gotta log in for like 30 minutes a day to spend the resin and do simulated universe, forgotten hall and all those stuff during the weekend and 1 quest a day.
Well i guess when events make their appearance is going to be helpfull but is still going to be grindy
yes, this is a problem - in the short term. i think people forget that you do not need several high leveled characters (in fact, i would argue you only need 2). remember genshin? where you could realistically beat abyss with low leveled characters if your enabler/hyper carry was good enough?
this is the concept of investment. who benefits the most from being invested in? the dps who does, realistically, 70% of your damage? or the supports who have diminishing returns?
similarly, levels do not provide that big of a stat difference to begin with. seele, a dps character, goes from a base 639 hp, 439 atk, and 249 def at asc.4 to... a whopping base 703 hp, 489 atk, 274 def. thats... around a total of +120 in stats across all 3. it is not the levels that provide the big stat difference - it is the ascensions (just like it was with genshin).
i mean look at your video: herta goes from her asc.4 stats with an increase of 20 hp, 12 atk, and 8 def in exchange for 60 trailblaze fuel. this is NOT worth it. what is worth it is ascending all your characters for minimal investment to get the highest value for the lowest cost
and don't evel let me mention relics. relics improve your stats SO much more than straight leveling does. that 2.7% hp on an artifact? it provides more hp scaling than your actual levels. the 4.3% atk? more atk scaling than your actual levels. even the flat numbers are likely to provide more value than JUST levels.
what am i arguing here? that everyone should farm relics? no, god no, but do NOT make the mistake in considering levels to be the most important thing to consider in characters; it is not the individual (or, really, even all 10 combined) levels but the ascensions at the end which provide the biggest stat buffs (with way less of a cost). do NOT focus on leveling up your entire team, just focus on your dpses and who you love the most
It does sting now that I have finished story and am TB40+ but there is literally no quests to do and just grind left now. So the only thing I find entertaining is to make an alt.
Genshin really isn't different in that aspect. The big difference is that you have had years of grinding. That means you have tons of resources just sitting around already. Start a new account and try to get 8 characters to max level and you will realize it is just as bad if not worse in genshin. You have to remember that this is designed around taking months to get your characters set up and leveled.
I don't mind it taking months and months. I am sure that is how Hoyo designed it. I just work on little things at a time and log out. Not a big deal. I'm not going anywhere. I figured this out trying to get 8 characters to 50. It's only a problem if you are in a massive hurry and straight no life the game like you did.
honestly most gacha's take a lot more resources to lvl chars up. (like there are some where it takes a full month to lvl a char from 1 to max.)
But ye only focus on 4 chars (or 5 if you have teams off 5) is the one thing that every person that is a bit more experienced with gacha games have learned the hard way.
I have 4 characters at level 50. Dan is at level 40, March 7th and Serval are at level 37. The rest are around 20.
8 characters is definitely a must. You don't go any lower than that given how much damage you need to do on Memory of Chaos.
12 cycles in TOTAL for 4 bosses over 2 teams
Or if you want to no life this game you can grind every enemy on the map which nets you about half the exp needed to level up for each of your whole party at around level 55 or so
8 eventually, 6 for now is fine.
Gotta say though levelling from 50 to 60 feels like a massive power spike and is well worth the investment
Yeah I went back to clap bronya's and Kafka's cheeks.
To be fair, you can do this and take your game slower and build everyone. To each their own, depends on what you prefer. Game is single player anyways so you won’t be ‘behind’. Game is not a competition.
I have 8 characters that I'm building right now but 4 most important characters take priority, the other 4 , i just build them just to make them work.
I don't know man, I have a single strategy, I need a DPS of every Element and their supports built up to where I can make use of them somehow in a dire situation and focus on a single 3-4 Chars Team, specially Neutral Elements and max them out
seems pretty normal, people who've played gacha games before HSR probably know that your resource early on is pretty limited so you need to manage it
Its ok to work on 8 characters while focusing on just a few. You will need 2 teams for the major endgame content any. Right now im grinding 5 star relics each day. My seele is almost fully built so ill star working on yanqing next. Then tingyun and then natasha. Then ill start farming for my second team. But have 8 characters in mind and hope you get bailu
What I am doing is bouncing stuff around across like 6 characters. For HoM
@@Valkyrja you cant do that cuz some of it needs 2 party so its really safe to invest in atleast 8 units
rn i have my main team in mind which is jing yuan (when he comes out), tingyun, welt, natasha, now the problem is the 2nd team because i only have natasha so i wont have a healer in my 2nd team but the 3 characters i plan on putting in the team is dan heng, fire mc, march
@@darknessrises948 march and fire mc can be the sustain in your second team. Just focus on def for both so you can sustain it with shields
Genshin was my first gacha and I did this exact same thing and was just hard stuck cause I was getting destroyed in the new world tier and I just quit. I ended up coming back when they added the ability to drop down a tier and fixed my account after awhile. I won't lie though I absolutely feel the urge to level them all in Star Rail even though I know it will screw me over lol
LOL Yeah Im doing it for a specific reason. I HIGHLY recommend not doing this
"Sup my Dudes Valk here" Never gets old!
This is exactly how it was in genshin...🤔 the only thing that alleviates this is time, events...essentially content or more patches.
You are better off focusing on traces first because Xp will be easier to get in the future once more content drops alongside an event after Seele's banner
After leveling Seele, Bronya, and Natasha to 60 I realized I already ran out of level mats.
I only lvl up my characters to try a different combos so I can surpass the battles 😭💀
Imo the grind is completely fair, yes its heavy and yes it takes time, but the fact that you can auto negates alot of the work you would have to put in and basically just turns it into a time crunch, for the type of game honkai sr is, that being turn based with passive features, it needs to be hard to level up or everyone will eventually be maxed on everything, the time crunch makes it so only dedicated players will reach max level not just anyone and everyone if anything the grind could be harder and i still wouldn't complain. What im saying is its not Difficulty it just comes down to time, just have some patience and youll be max level in no time.
at the end of the day i max every character. in genshin. even if i did the worst in star rail i'd still max it. after a 1-2 years. the artifact grind is far worser. but i did follow the advice of working on 4 characters only in genshin. but i got board of artifact domains i just maxed all character to 80-90 which is less painful
Its anoyoying when i did my Equilibruim level plus i cant change it back, I will be draining my Trailblazer powers but i want to spend fuels on relics in late game, therefore slowing my progression, honkai SR did us dirty
One thing to note, we dont get any event yet, and in genshin or gacha game in general, event contribute a good chunk of upgrade material
It won't happen, but I wish they'd take a page out of nikke's book and letyou reset level on characters for a small fee of crystals, it would make it slightly less painful when you screw up
You need more than 4 characters. Unless you know the ins and outs like some other streamers getting the info from beta players. Getting you through world 6 in a little over a week. You are going to suffer with only 4 characters. I've upgraded the 3 best support my account has and then 1 characters of each element to break/dmg with. That's about 8-9 characters i've considered lvling since it's just the best way to go since break and speed management is super important in this game.
Dont need to know the ins and outs for sim u lol. Just use abundance its very broken. I made a ton of vids on it.
it's crazy how we can beat all the simulated worlds at eq2
No, Valk.. It's not 3 levels.
What it is.. Is pain!
*Laughs slowly turn into cries*
I'm TB lvl 33 so far and it already hurts.
I'm in the process of doing the 40-50 Ascensions
*Pain Intensifies*
Me: "Ah yes i have 4 characters appropriately invested into"
HSR: "Oh LoOk A nEw SiTuAtiOn YoU hAvE tO aDapT tO!!"
Me: "FFFFUUUUUU- "
*The pain continues*
I only upgrade like 10 character to 50 seele, bronya, mc, himeko, pela, serval, nat, march, dan, tingyun
Gonna narrow down to 8 unit for 60 Seele, Bronya, Nat, Mc, Pela, Serval, Dan and Tingyun
Im sorry to say but Ive already split my resources between literally all my characters, about 12, but once I lock down my main 8 im gonna start focusing one at a time
Yeah this kind of sucks tbh. This game is different as there is much more to offer in having a large roster of character. Being able to swap out different elemental main DPS, different elemental AOE, dots, Support characters, healers and tanks. But this is really good to have in mind, you definitely want to have the resources available every time you are able to ascend your characters to instantly max out 4 characters. Although it's hard to imagine when a person would actually have the time to max every character because you'd have to farm for the exp mats, light cones, traces AND relics. And we all know the relics will take a fuck ton amount of time to get decent enough stuff to feel like you can comfortably move onto other characters.
well good thing i randomly spent all my trailblazer power on that one calyx and now i got over 5k of those upgrade materials lol
I'm level 40 right now, I am not ready for this grind
Game is just out and probabily will have to wait a couple months before new story upgrades, just take your time upgrading chars and stuff.
I don't think it is a mistake, first or later you will have all characters up to max, just start with main chars and once you max one go on the next one.
I think its pretty good if a game is a bit more grindy cause then i dont get bored and finish too quickly
This is another way of saying why you should focus on your main team first especially if you're F2p.
Cus some newbie don't get it when people saying why you 'shouldn't' maxing all your characters.
I don’t think it’s too bad tbh. We are still early game after all. When we start going into late game and when events start rolling out, it should be easier
😂at first i level up literally every character that i get, but now i am focusing to Seele, MC, Natasha and Pela
Meanwhile me : *Vibing in simulated universe everyday*
your not ruining your account. You just have to be patient and log in everyday for a few months.
Hmmm, pretty sure we need variety here so leveling around 8 or more character is reasonable. In my case, I only try to invest on my supports to some extent, then focus on the DPSs. Also, you will have much time before you hit TL 40 so I guess you can use that time to farm ascension mats - not 4* relics that will eventually get replaced.
Q: But there are 5* relics available in World 5 and 6.
A: I'm also doing that since I already farmed ascension mats for my main units.
This is NOT REALISTIC AT ALL for F2P players. If you are f2p or not a high spender DO NOT do this.
Realistically you need to invest 4 characters (a DPS. Shielder, Healer and a buffer). Every content except forgotten hall can be cleared by using 4 characters if you have good survivability and decent damage.
Im not that far into the game and still trailblaze level 22 but it's Still helpful since i was considering leveling other characters not taking the resources into account.
I mean...it's...the same logic you should follow in genshin in early game...or any other game with this style of gameplay. Also pull for what you need (Always in early). But yeah I noticed characters need more exp the higher they get.
If someone ever found themselves in this situation you should consider buying the battlepass because that gives a ton of upgrade materials
I mean don't make them 60 cause u will be farming a lot and they will lev up naturally when u reach next equilibrium so it will be waste of material keep them at 56 or 57 .
Me when i walk 2 steps to the left and my account is now ruined 💀
I got the really good team and fucked it up by getting gepards taunt talent. If you want to use Clara and gepard together don't get the taunt. Wait till you need two teams to grab taunt and the game will be smoother.
In my opinion, you can level all the characters, BUT only when you unlock the specific chokepoints where you'd get the ticket, and even then, maybe wait a bit since not only do you have to grind for levels, but also light cones and traces, so that's exp mats for 3 things, but also mats for trace unlocking and ascention
in genshin 60 resin gives you shit, I don't understand how someone who ever play genshin don't know that leveling in hoyoverse game took several days
I'm already broke on traces and you are over here telling me I need to also focus on grinding xp mats 💀
I just level up whoever I think I might need for certain battles. Its rule no. 1 to not pour all your resources into all of your characters. But I always encourage people to play in their own way. So if you want to max all of your characters, thats valid as long as you have enough resources