I assume Lebron thought JJ might report on bron’s long term drug use/cheating and so he’s paying off JJ with a lucrative podcast deal. Guess we now know what JJ’s soul costs.
Legler is lowkey the best sports talking head. He’s knowledgeable and completely unbiased. Even when he critics a team it doesn’t seem like a personal attack like most analyst do
love the jaylen brown appreciation! he’s been an absolute beast lately, one thing you guys didn’t really mention was his ball handling. It has been far better this season than previous seasons. It is partially because of his increase in strength but his dribbling ability has been notably better and has helped him stop errors that would’ve created turnovers in years past.
Pace is also a BIG part of why his handle got so good. He’s so athletic that he just got out of control in traffic before but he really seems in control of his tempo now
@@OGC558because he was never defended in the way they did it and they exposed basically one of two flaws in his game (he’s still a borderline all nba guy in my opinion so he’s one of the best 15-20 players in the league regardless)
I've been a Suns fan for 3 decades. We've made the Finals 3 times and made the Western Conference Finals 10 times as a franchise. We want a championship. We had a truly worthless owner for 20 years literally selling draft picks for cash. This season more than any other has been a disappointment. I just don't even know what to say.
It was funny watching the Suns and Bucks game yesterday, there was a moment in the 1st half where Brook Lopez caught a pass for an open shot on the peremiter and the announcer goes, "Brook Lopez is wide open, because...of course he is." Lol! The Suns defense was embarrassed.
Nobody notices how bad of a coach vogul is ? 😂 lebron and rondo coached that lakers team that won a chip. This team has quit on him because they know he is soft and terrible at his job
Vogel starters & his overall rotation is the main problem. He solely rely on offense minded players, when he has defenders in O'Neil or Bol, to mix. Sit Allen, who's weak on d & start O'Neil or Bol.
@@S-TierIguessVogel isn’t soft. KD, Book, and Beal are soft. And yes, Vogel didn’t coach the Lakers. LeBron did. But do you remember those Pacers teams? They definitely weren’t soft.
Love that JB is getting his flowers from the national media. This has been his best season by far. People forget that he had a fantastic playoffs until the Heat series where he completely fell apart, injury aside.
Don’t ever stop doing this segment. The basketball alpha in here is what talk shows about sports should have. Zero narrative, no filler and great 2 man dynamic duo energy. Love your work JJ and Legz 🧨
Being a mavs fan is hard ; week to week we are not consistent. One week we could beat the best in the west then the next week we will lose to weak eastern conference teams .
Giving up 140 points to Milwaukee with no Giannis is just ludicrous. It highlights one of Phoenix’s many problems this year which is lack of bigs. Nurkic, Eubanks and Bol Bol just aren’t good enough. Worst of all, they have so much money invested in their Big Three that they don’t have the cap space to do anything about it moving forward.
Bol Bol? He gets like 5-10 mins a game and scores more than guys out there for 20-30. Got other players for those mins you can say that aren’t good enough for this team to go far.
@OhHaroDerp I agree. I live in Arizona but I am a Mavericks fan. I root for the suns(since they are my home team), unless they play Dallas haha So I watch their games and I can say that Bol Bol should get more minutes. Everytime I watch him play he plays hard and actually scores points lol plays decent defense to. Get him some minutes so he can grow. He hits 3's to.
@@julioromero4188more like mpj some salary fillers and picks😂 suns wouldn’t do it but the nuggets aren’t going to give up Murray I don’t think he’s literally the perfect point guard next to jokic
@@julioromero4188Denver's not giving up Jamal you can you can go ahead and keep dreaming that Jamal smoked Booker in the playoffs last year yeah they're not giving up tomorrow he's ice water in the veins he is extremely he rises to the occasion nobody could stop him Phoenix could not stop him nobody could stop him no team could nobody can stop the Joker a matter of fact they couldn't even stop Gordon or mp they're also not going to give up mpj Michael Porter because Michael Porter still in his prime he's a lot younger than Kevin Durant so yeah they're not giving him up for Kevin not at this stage of his career j
@@Musso8771that's actually not true not true whenever you hear that nonsense there's no truth to that that's inside BS because first of all I'm not a fan of the Jazz even though I live here I'm a Denver fan, but that being said no once the players play here and even get traded here they actually are amazed at how well they're treated how well they're treated and they like the culture actually it's a family culture and whether they have kids or not or whatever they do the vast majority of them actually have nothing but good things and even great things to say about Utah in Salt Lake and they're actually pretty surprised at how pretty cool it is and how beautiful it is and just they like a lot of things about it the culture the food, activities whatever they're into so no you're it's actually quite the opposite you were actually 100% wrong it's quite the opposite
I been saying that JB's ceiling is far higher than Tatum's I know JT is incredibly young for how much he's accomplished, but I firmly believe he is at or near his peak, we don't even know what JB can be, he has the perfect body type, and the great fundamentals needed to be one of the faces of the league
Honestly only Haliburton & Trae young are the only floor general types i can think of. I think Murray on the nuggets is also kind of underrated in that role cause of jokic passing skills
As a Suns fan, I don't have any issues with anything Ishbia tried, I didn't think it would completely work and it hasn't but I'd rather have an owner swing for the fences than have someone like Sarver. Great offense, the defense just isn't there and it won't be there. I think the Suns can give any team a tough playoff series, I think they're one of those teams you want to play on the way to the Finals to toughen you up and make you work to get you ready for a Finals run, but in the end there are a few teams better all around. If we had kept Johnson, Bridges, and Paul we wouldn't be any closer to a title and when you have a Booker you don't want to go into full rebuild so took a swing, so far it's been a miss and that's just how it goes. Disappointing as a Suns fan but this is what it's like being a Suns fan, having good teams that just aren't quite good enough. I'll take this over the Sarver years where we were just bad and stayed bad. You don't win a title either way but at least we have a team that can compete every night and know we have an owner that legitimately wants to win.
@@navidalibhai1497 exactly, we’ve been waiting too long for an elite roster around Luka, even if we don’t win getting to watch Kyrie and the bigs brings tears of joy nightly
Denver and Boston have one thing in common and that is homegrown talent. Tatum and Brown. Jokic and Murray. These two teams will be the next Golden State which also have homegrown talents. OKC and San Antonio (Wemby) will be the future but superstars jumping ships don’t work anymore. It’s all about developing your draft picks.
Idk if y'all have talked about before but I'd love to see your thoughts on the Knicks defense lately especially going 3-0 so far on their West Coast road trip.
This Suns team is Durant/Irving/Harden Nets 2.0. That team had the same issues from the injuries to “standing around”. It doesn’t say good things that Durant is the common factor, but I think it’s more than that.
you'd expect Nurkic to learn from his mistake from the Celtics game and concede to defending Bobby Portis at the 3pt line -- atleast give some effort. but I really do think this is a roster issue. dude is has done just about everything the Suns have asked of him. can't expect him to be a quality parameter defender at his size. . . Not sure what more can be said about the offense. Rarely do we see all three of them having it going at the same time -- it's usually small spurts. When they're in trouble it seems like they either force a tough look or seek out a 3 from Allen or O'Neale. not what you'd expect from a super team. Vogel's small ball line-up worked in the second half, but ended with Booker and Durant gassed.
But people called ME crazy when I said that the Suns might not even make it out the first round this year 😂 I saw the makeup for this Suns team this year (and I specifically payed attention to their lack of a true PG/facilitator) and just knew it was just a team with 3 really good SCORERS, but not necessarily three championship players
They beat the Nuggets in Denver. Check what was different about that lineup and how they operated in that game compared to now. The SG they were feeding was Grayson Allen. They didn’t have 3 heavy mid range shooters in that lineup. Allen hit 8 straight 3s in that game because they kept feeding him and he was literally calling for the ball. That was when they were connected as a team. They only had 9 turnovers the whole game. Booker and Beal can’t be co-PGs and SGs in the starting lineup. It takes away from their strengths which is scoring and the offense becomes stagnant when they start taking turns doing isos trying to play hero ball. There’s no clear PG SG and SF when they play Booker and Beal together and move Allen to SF. Beal refuses to run the 2nd unit because of his massive ego. That’s the problem.
No real point guard to orchestrate that type of offense or make that read. Beal and Booker are at their core shooting guards, no matter how much they think they can pass... passing is NOT the same as playMAKING.
Suns Lifer here as well 👋🏽 and yeah- this ‘23-24 season is making the personal record books along with ‘22 (a year where we were LEGIT title contenders before that epic playoff collapse) as Most Disappointing Season. For me, it’s the expectations coupled with the actual play and effort. ‘21 was special because of our young guys all ascending at the right time, the narrative context was different. But this year’s just a mess. We are a month out of the Play-In/Playoffs. 8th place, below .500 against teams with winning records- with the toughest SOS post-ASB. The body language has been deferential at best with the hydra of Book- Beal- KD often times look unwilling to assert themselves. Too many ISOs, too few Spain-style P/R or cutting with a sense of pace or intention. the KD ISOs to end shotclocks have been abysmal and Booker hasn’t looked himself after starting the season as an MVP candidate, then running into a regretable amount of lower body inuries. When the Suns traded CP3 and Shamet for Beal and Goodwin- it was a no-brainer, and I still believe that was the right call as those players do not have the same level of impact as Beal. But I also don’t believe Vogel is the guy to coach this team. His defensive schemes are good- Nurk has bought in greatly and has been a season highlight along with Grayson Allen, but offensively, guys have very little direction. Book isn’t using his natural scorer’s gravity to make plays. It’s all befuddling and maddening and makes me wanna watch the D’backs more seriously next week as a sports salve against this poor excuse for a season where we’re barely above .500 despite boasting two potential top ten guys who don’t have it this year.
Beal was the wrong decision imo. Also changing Vogel won’t solve everything, it’s 70/30. 70 percent the fault of the roster construction, what can Vogel do when his roster is deeply flawed as it is? 30 percent the coaching staff fault for not doing better with what they have.
@@coltondodd3086 I agree insofaras the Suns capped themselves out of building a more competent team- but my question is, who would’ve taken on that CP3 salary? would it have been better than having Bradley Beal? and the answer is, no, no comparable value players to Beal could’ve been possibly salvaged from a trade. I think Vogel’s a decent coach- I’m certainly not trying to scapegoat him or anything, but his rotations are incredibly baffling as are his offensive tendencies. there’ve been boiling-over strays caught by all the assistents this year. There’s obviously miscommunication at the very least, the guys are professional about it but their body language is clear.
@@ancientteenager7880 if the suns were more patient do you think they could’ve paid less for kd at a later time? There in they don’t have to dump their best assets and maybe cp3 fits with the team still, or perhaps the suns can attach cp3 in a different trade with other better assets to get something other than Beal. These are all big what ifs though and the suns are where they are unfortunately.
@@coltondodd3086 hindsight is always 20/20 dude- I thought the KD trade was great and it still is, the level of play has been excellent all season, but Mat Ishbia was always gonna do something splashy with our sorry franchise having to endure Sarver since the dawn of time.
@@ancientteenager7880 that’s the scary thing about new owner is they always want to make splashes. They want the team to be the team they made you know?
The problem with the Suns apart from defense (Greyson out of the starters plays consistently defense) is they are not moving the ball. For kD and Book the pass is the last resort. So many times they go one on 2 and force a very difficult shot when G Allen has a clean look from 3
I think everyone who watches the Suns knows their deficiencies but it's always funny to watch the strong reactions KD's teams get from analysts. KD played 8 regular season games last year with PHX and they ripped them when they lost to the Nuggets. Now this year. But those dangerous teams fighting for a chance to be in the play-in...watch out for them 😂 But for the Suns, they need players willing to do the dirty work. If they want to start Beal, Book and KD then put an athletic PF out there to go along with Nurkic. They need a pg to run the 2nd unit and their version of a Herb Jones/Trey Murphy combo. Infuse youth and athleticism with the core group.
Defensively, the only one willing to do ANY dirty work for them is Josh Okogie, and it’s obvious. He’s the only pest that consistently comes up and doesn’t give shooters all the space in the world to get shots off.
Suns "worst offense IN THE LEAGUE in the 4th quarter" actually broke my brain. How is that possible? Surely that should be basically their biggest strength.
The bucks and suns game was close and the suns did clamp up, the bucks just had a hot hand throughout the game. Suns need to clamp up on their perimeter defense. In every loss it’s been because of TO or the inability to close out on 3’s very fixable by the time the playoffs roll around. Gotta get the defense and chemistry on a string
The issue is the following... you cannot put three small guys together (Allen, Beal and Booker). They cannot defend properly the paint and they are not getting the rebounds. You need 2 of our top scorers in the game (KD/Beal, Booker/Beal, KD/Allen) and have 3 big guys to defend and grab the rebounds. If you put all 4 top scorers without rotating them, you will burn them. So in the 4th quarter they will implode because they are tired. Coach Vogel has to trust in their other guys to defend and rotate the 4 top scorers all the time to avoid this lack of size, defense and rebounds.
Never saw how giving up their depth, youth, and defensive talent made sense for 3 ball dominant players on the backside of the curve. Booker, Durant, and Beal is similar to Durant, Kyrie, and Harden in Brooklyn
Fire Vogel. I know the players should shoulder some of the blame here but the headline should be that a team with 3 x 25 pt scorers and a good supporting cast be struggling in play-in . There’s no excuse that Monty Williams did better with Landry Shamet and Damian Lee
Life long Suns fan and this team is easily the most frustrating team I’ve experienced. Even that decade playoff drought we at least knew we sucked. The KD trade doesn’t look like it’s going to end well for us 😤
Thank you for noticing how good Jaylen Brown been playing lately! The amount of disrespect he gets is just crazy! Had someone tell me Fox is better than JB. When they played each other it was like a little kid playing vs his uncle who used to play pro ball lol. He just abusing people in the paint and shooting the ball at a high clip! I love JB man! I just hope we can win a ring so he can stay as long as possible! I would hate to see him leave Boston!
I’ve said this, JB is Celtic’s best player since all star break and that’s why it’s crazy to me how JT is still in top5 MVP convo.
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Kyrie diving for deflections and rebounds, that's the kind of stuff you want from your franchise players. He could've missed the winning shot and still be the main energy behind Dallas last night. Props on all that effort.
Yeah you could definitely see the energy from him when he stole the ball from jokic in the first 2 minutes of the game and even when he got dunked on by Gordon he was showing effort.
3 great mid range shooters can win, but they won't so it consistently depending on mid range shots which are the lowest points per shot spot on the floor to score from. Phoenix thought they knew better than everyone else, but Ishba is still fighting with Jokic for the ball from last years playoffs.
Watching the game and the casuals who were announcing talking about how surprised they are by the Suns not being better. I called it pre-season, they just don’t have the defense to be really good. Great players on offense, but they don’t have it on D.
But you didnt call anything theyve had a top 10 defense throughout most of the year. Even with the bad Celtics and Bucks losses theyre still ranked #11.
They're the 13th best defense and are improving every month. Their issue is not offense or defense, its failing to be locked in over the course of all 4 quarters.
Mavz needs those guys to play with confidence Lukai will ball out but the others need to be competitive if they do Mavz going to have a great run this season 🏆
I don't know why good teams make trades and rebuild? Okay, the suns couldn't get the chip on a few occasions but they were still a team that could get to the finals. Then they trade CP, Ayton and they literally fall apart. What did they think was gonna happen?
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Disgusting. Lebrons attempts to take over basketball discussion to stamp down his PED use will not work cocomelons JJ
I assume Lebron thought JJ might report on bron’s long term drug use/cheating and so he’s paying off JJ with a lucrative podcast deal.
Guess we now know what JJ’s soul costs.
Legler is lowkey the best sports talking head. He’s knowledgeable and completely unbiased. Even when he critics a team it doesn’t seem like a personal attack like most analyst do
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Exactly, I’ve been saying this for a while.
high key
One of the best no doubt😎
Legs would be a contender on the Mt.Rushmore of NBA analysts.
Finally found reporters that I like. They are not about day to day sensationalism
Yeah it’s good to hear people talk about BASKETBALL rather than storylines and “pressure”
JJ is turning into mainstream slowly but surely
@@matthieusaade3616It's the format of First Take and modern sports shows
Chris Simms is the goat of sports talk
@@GKA11111good one 🤣
love the jaylen brown appreciation! he’s been an absolute beast lately, one thing you guys didn’t really mention was his ball handling. It has been far better this season than previous seasons. It is partially because of his increase in strength but his dribbling ability has been notably better and has helped him stop errors that would’ve created turnovers in years past.
Pace is also a BIG part of why his handle got so good. He’s so athletic that he just got out of control in traffic before but he really seems in control of his tempo now
His ball handling was never questioned until the Heat and Warrior series smh. That narrative is so trash. JB is a dawg
@@OGC558because he was never defended in the way they did it and they exposed basically one of two flaws in his game (he’s still a borderline all nba guy in my opinion so he’s one of the best 15-20 players in the league regardless)
@@davidfebreeze428 i vehemntly disagree that he was guarded in a way that exposed his flaws but 100% top 20 player in NBA
8:35 “He’s got 4 more than I do in that same span” Leg funny but real asf
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straight savage with that one lmao
The best pod episodes are when JJ and Legs are breaking it down. i wouldn’t be mad if Legs was the only analyst on the pod for the rest of the season
I've been a Suns fan for 3 decades. We've made the Finals 3 times and made the Western Conference Finals 10 times as a franchise. We want a championship. We had a truly worthless owner for 20 years literally selling draft picks for cash. This season more than any other has been a disappointment. I just don't even know what to say.
I know Charles made the finals and Book. Who made the third finals?
@@steph_566 1976 Paul Westphal who ended up being the head coach of the Charles Barkley 1993 Finals team.
Sarver ruined Phoenix
There’s one thing i hate and that’s poor effort, every has bad games and good games etc but effort shouldn’t stem from anything but yourself
KD will do that to your franchise
Tim Legler is the analyst goat
He’s a suns hater he always hates on them every year 😂 he’s trash
Luka did not play against OKC recently don’t forget.
Mavs are 4-2 against the top 4 of the west when Luka and Kyrie both play.
This is a really important sidenote
they pretty much lost that game because of the 19 turnovers. when luka plays they’re one of the top teams in terms of turnovers
They're actually the best team in terms of having the lowest TOV% in the league in the minutes where Luka plays.
@@ohsnapahathe’s agreeing with you. Just the word “top” is misleading but I’m sure he means that with Luka they’d have less than 19 TOV
Also dont forget the slump they went on where they looked awful. They seem to pick and choose.
It was funny watching the Suns and Bucks game yesterday, there was a moment in the 1st half where Brook Lopez caught a pass for an open shot on the peremiter and the announcer goes, "Brook Lopez is wide open, because...of course he is." Lol! The Suns defense was embarrassed.
Tim is back!!
Tim time!
Appreciate yall showing the love to JB. He’s really blossomed into his own this year. He’s been so good defensively.
Man as a suns fan, I can’t defend them anymore. Why they decide not to defend the three after getting torched by the Celtics (25/50) is beyond me.
Nobody notices how bad of a coach vogul is ? 😂 lebron and rondo coached that lakers team that won a chip. This team has quit on him because they know he is soft and terrible at his job
Vogel starters & his overall rotation is the main problem. He solely rely on offense minded players, when he has defenders in O'Neil or Bol, to mix. Sit Allen, who's weak on d & start O'Neil or Bol.
@@S-TierIguessfacts bro
@@B-Will-big facts this man has whole 7,2 hybrid guard basically getting no mins
@@S-TierIguessVogel isn’t soft. KD, Book, and Beal are soft. And yes, Vogel didn’t coach the Lakers. LeBron did. But do you remember those Pacers teams? They definitely weren’t soft.
Luka ans Kyrie were the definition of 1-2 punch .
Luka with the HUGE game tying 3 .
Kyrie with the CRAZY bussee beater.
Love that JB is getting his flowers from the national media. This has been his best season by far. People forget that he had a fantastic playoffs until the Heat series where he completely fell apart, injury aside.
Jaylen Brown is overhated because of his contract which isn’t his fault. Great all star player who is Celtics go to guy in the clutch atm
CP3 provided way more for this team than people realized
But with Beal you added scoring which you were sorely missing with KD and Book. /s
I dont remember the Suns ever even making the playoffs before CP3 came ..
@@kevinpenfold1116does /s mean sarcasm?
Point god being undervalued as usual.
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Don’t ever stop doing this segment. The basketball alpha in here is what talk shows about sports should have. Zero narrative, no filler and great 2 man dynamic duo energy.
Love your work JJ and Legz 🧨
Beeing a Mavs fan is not easy....what a rollercoster of a season this has been so far...but i belive!
with all the injuries and constant lineup changes because of it, they just miss the continuity i think
«If you don’t believe you shouldnt be here»
*believe
Being a mavs fan is hard ; week to week we are not consistent. One week we could beat the best in the west then the next week we will lose to weak eastern conference teams .
@@bns434 Agreed. They can win against OKC and the Timberwolves but not the Pacers?? It's so bizarre.
Bradley Beals’s greatest highlight was when he yelled at those kids telling them they are not good enough for the nba…
I think about this all the time when Beal looks like a role player game to game lol
Giving up 140 points to Milwaukee with no Giannis is just ludicrous. It highlights one of Phoenix’s many problems this year which is lack of bigs. Nurkic, Eubanks and Bol Bol just aren’t good enough. Worst of all, they have so much money invested in their Big Three that they don’t have the cap space to do anything about it moving forward.
Bol Bol? He gets like 5-10 mins a game and scores more than guys out there for 20-30. Got other players for those mins you can say that aren’t good enough for this team to go far.
@OhHaroDerp I agree. I live in Arizona but I am a Mavericks fan. I root for the suns(since they are my home team), unless they play Dallas haha
So I watch their games and I can say that Bol Bol should get more minutes. Everytime I watch him play he plays hard and actually scores points lol plays decent defense to. Get him some minutes so he can grow. He hits 3's to.
The Suns have 14 regular season games left. If they haven’t been giving Bol Bol his minutes at this point, it’s not happening.
Grow? The guy been in the league for like 5 seasons and 3 or 4 teams already @edwinbleau5334
Dude the bucks literally went small 5 mins into the game lmao. Had nothing to do with the bigs. Completely irrelevant
KD gonna request a trade to Denver after the season
We better get Murray lol
@@julioromero4188more like mpj some salary fillers and picks😂 suns wouldn’t do it but the nuggets aren’t going to give up Murray I don’t think he’s literally the perfect point guard next to jokic
@@julioromero4188Denver's not giving up Jamal you can you can go ahead and keep dreaming that Jamal smoked Booker in the playoffs last year yeah they're not giving up tomorrow he's ice water in the veins he is extremely he rises to the occasion nobody could stop him Phoenix could not stop him nobody could stop him no team could nobody can stop the Joker a matter of fact they couldn't even stop Gordon or mp they're also not going to give up mpj Michael Porter because Michael Porter still in his prime he's a lot younger than Kevin Durant so yeah they're not giving him up for Kevin not at this stage of his career j
@@Nicky-hr1qz relax bro
When I see Legs & Redick - it's an automatic click. Yall are the Nolan & Villenueve of sports talk.
Beal n Booker throws the ball away like kids literally
kd does too
My favorite segment on the channel
Legs is the best sports analist and I love to hear him talk basketball the man knows his stuff
How did JJ get through an entire segment on Boston without mentioning Derrick White???
Tim Legler is a legend! Never change, Tim!
Legler's analysis is spot on as per usual.
The Suns need to play bigger lineups and stagger Booker and Beal’s minutes
Legs always with the on point analysis
That buddy hield finishing stat is super intriguing
I’ve been waiting for the next upload with Legs, he’s my favorite basketball analyst that JJ brings on! 👌🏽
Fwiw the Bucks game was an away game at 11am central. That’s not an excuse for their poor defense, but might’ve had something to do with it.
If you're a fan if Legler, i highly recommend All NBA podcast - he is featured at least 2-3 times per week.
Nice to see him back.
Finally some real analysis with JJ and Legs!!!! I’m tired of the dunker spot
What's wrong with the dunkers spot
@@Z-score8786 Maybe is just me, but I find it boring.
You’re tripping bro
Trippin
Legler is a gem. More legs sounds great.
Can’t believe none of yall drafted anything in Salt Lake. They have some FIRE food in SLC. Tekashi sushi bar, Caputos, Tea Rose Thai Diner, La Caille.
They all hate Salt Lake because it doesn't have enough of the "culture".
@@Musso8771that's actually not true not true whenever you hear that nonsense there's no truth to that that's inside BS because first of all I'm not a fan of the Jazz even though I live here I'm a Denver fan, but that being said no once the players play here and even get traded here they actually are amazed at how well they're treated how well they're treated and they like the culture actually it's a family culture and whether they have kids or not or whatever they do the vast majority of them actually have nothing but good things and even great things to say about Utah in Salt Lake and they're actually pretty surprised at how pretty cool it is and how beautiful it is and just they like a lot of things about it the culture the food, activities whatever they're into so no you're it's actually quite the opposite you were actually 100% wrong it's quite the opposite
Tim got me wanting to lace up for the Suns
Glad to see Legler again, The Dunker Spot bore me to death
Soooooooo boring.
I thought it was just me 😭
Legler is 100x better than the dunker spot
Very boring and un-insightful.
Can't say I follow the Suns that often but if its a one night off that's on the players. If it's a pattern then that's on the coaching..
I see Tim I click no questions asked…
Best nba podcast
That Kyrie shot was a long layup. He flicked that with his wrist like shooting a layup.
Called a floater
Used a lot of words to say "hook shot". It's a hook shot.
It was NOT a floater. @@memoirsofalegend5472
Wrong. It was NOT a hook shot. @@Crbennettx
Love this breakdowns from y’all
I been saying that JB's ceiling is far higher than Tatum's I know JT is incredibly young for how much he's accomplished, but I firmly believe he is at or near his peak, we don't even know what JB can be, he has the perfect body type, and the great fundamentals needed to be one of the faces of the league
Thank you for rant, they deserves that. Fans are devistated by this team all season.
They need A Rondo Type PG.
Who’s a rondo type point guard in the league right now?
Honestly only Haliburton & Trae young are the only floor general types i can think of. I think Murray on the nuggets is also kind of underrated in that role cause of jokic passing skills
Well... why don't they sign Rondo himself instead of someone who's just like him? He's available and probably cheep.
Rondo will destroy the chemistry instantly
@@davidpena2499 cp3
As a Suns fan, I don't have any issues with anything Ishbia tried, I didn't think it would completely work and it hasn't but I'd rather have an owner swing for the fences than have someone like Sarver. Great offense, the defense just isn't there and it won't be there. I think the Suns can give any team a tough playoff series, I think they're one of those teams you want to play on the way to the Finals to toughen you up and make you work to get you ready for a Finals run, but in the end there are a few teams better all around. If we had kept Johnson, Bridges, and Paul we wouldn't be any closer to a title and when you have a Booker you don't want to go into full rebuild so took a swing, so far it's been a miss and that's just how it goes. Disappointing as a Suns fan but this is what it's like being a Suns fan, having good teams that just aren't quite good enough. I'll take this over the Sarver years where we were just bad and stayed bad. You don't win a title either way but at least we have a team that can compete every night and know we have an owner that legitimately wants to win.
Kyrie mentioned in his interview that he was fine with that shot, the only thing he wanted differently was to get closer to the basket.
as a mavs fan the title is so great
same its so nice to see media talk about dallas
@@AndyCromer-kl9jzespecially while also talking about the suns downfall in the same sentence 😂
@@navidalibhai1497LMAO
@@navidalibhai1497 exactly, we’ve been waiting too long for an elite roster around Luka, even if we don’t win getting to watch Kyrie and the bigs brings tears of joy nightly
Not hardaway tho
Everything Legs said about the Suns could be applied to how the clippers played vs the Hawks last night. So infuriating as a fan
FRANK VOGEL A BUBBLE CHAMP BRO SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN HIRED…
Denver and Boston have one thing in common and that is homegrown talent. Tatum and Brown. Jokic and Murray. These two teams will be the next Golden State which also have homegrown talents. OKC and San Antonio (Wemby) will be the future but superstars jumping ships don’t work anymore. It’s all about developing your draft picks.
Idk if y'all have talked about before but I'd love to see your thoughts on the Knicks defense lately especially going 3-0 so far on their West Coast road trip.
Glad to have Legs back, no offense to TDS!
This Suns team is Durant/Irving/Harden Nets 2.0. That team had the same issues from the injuries to “standing around”. It doesn’t say good things that Durant is the common factor, but I think it’s more than that.
Jaylen Brown is a got damn DAWG! Anyone who thinks otherwise can keep it pushing
you'd expect Nurkic to learn from his mistake from the Celtics game and concede to defending Bobby Portis at the 3pt line -- atleast give some effort. but I really do think this is a roster issue. dude is has done just about everything the Suns have asked of him. can't expect him to be a quality parameter defender at his size. . . Not sure what more can be said about the offense. Rarely do we see all three of them having it going at the same time -- it's usually small spurts. When they're in trouble it seems like they either force a tough look or seek out a 3 from Allen or O'Neale. not what you'd expect from a super team. Vogel's small ball line-up worked in the second half, but ended with Booker and Durant gassed.
But people called ME crazy when I said that the Suns might not even make it out the first round this year 😂 I saw the makeup for this Suns team this year (and I specifically payed attention to their lack of a true PG/facilitator) and just knew it was just a team with 3 really good SCORERS, but not necessarily three championship players
Same here bro. That 'point guard role by committee' stuff doesn't work against real, good teams.
This is the Brooklyn big 3 but worse. At least Harden was a very good passer
They beat the Nuggets in Denver. Check what was different about that lineup and how they operated in that game compared to now. The SG they were feeding was Grayson Allen. They didn’t have 3 heavy mid range shooters in that lineup. Allen hit 8 straight 3s in that game because they kept feeding him and he was literally calling for the ball. That was when they were connected as a team. They only had 9 turnovers the whole game. Booker and Beal can’t be co-PGs and SGs in the starting lineup. It takes away from their strengths which is scoring and the offense becomes stagnant when they start taking turns doing isos trying to play hero ball. There’s no clear PG SG and SF when they play Booker and Beal together and move Allen to SF. Beal refuses to run the 2nd unit because of his massive ego. That’s the problem.
I never understood why suns do no cut plays
No real point guard to orchestrate that type of offense or make that read. Beal and Booker are at their core shooting guards, no matter how much they think they can pass... passing is NOT the same as playMAKING.
@@ou8428 Beal n book literally throw the ball away like candy n Beal plays no defense
I saw on rosters that suns added Isiah Thomas don’t know if true
Suns Lifer here as well 👋🏽 and yeah- this ‘23-24 season is making the personal record books along with ‘22 (a year where we were LEGIT title contenders before that epic playoff collapse) as Most Disappointing Season. For me, it’s the expectations coupled with the actual play and effort. ‘21 was special because of our young guys all ascending at the right time, the narrative context was different.
But this year’s just a mess. We are a month out of the Play-In/Playoffs. 8th place, below .500 against teams with winning records- with the toughest SOS post-ASB. The body language has been deferential at best with the hydra of Book- Beal- KD often times look unwilling to assert themselves. Too many ISOs, too few Spain-style P/R or cutting with a sense of pace or intention. the KD ISOs to end shotclocks have been abysmal and Booker hasn’t looked himself after starting the season as an MVP candidate, then running into a regretable amount of lower body inuries.
When the Suns traded CP3 and Shamet for Beal and Goodwin- it was a no-brainer, and I still believe that was the right call as those players do not have the same level of impact as Beal. But I also don’t believe Vogel is the guy to coach this team. His defensive schemes are good- Nurk has bought in greatly and has been a season highlight along with Grayson Allen, but offensively, guys have very little direction. Book isn’t using his natural scorer’s gravity to make plays. It’s all befuddling and maddening and makes me wanna watch the D’backs more seriously next week as a sports salve against this poor excuse for a season where we’re barely above .500 despite boasting two potential top ten guys who don’t have it this year.
Beal was the wrong decision imo. Also changing Vogel won’t solve everything, it’s 70/30. 70 percent the fault of the roster construction, what can Vogel do when his roster is deeply flawed as it is? 30 percent the coaching staff fault for not doing better with what they have.
@@coltondodd3086 I agree insofaras the Suns capped themselves out of building a more competent team- but my question is, who would’ve taken on that CP3 salary? would it have been better than having Bradley Beal? and the answer is, no, no comparable value players to Beal could’ve been possibly salvaged from a trade.
I think Vogel’s a decent coach- I’m certainly not trying to scapegoat him or anything, but his rotations are incredibly baffling as are his offensive tendencies. there’ve been boiling-over strays caught by all the assistents this year. There’s obviously miscommunication at the very least, the guys are professional about it but their body language is clear.
@@ancientteenager7880 if the suns were more patient do you think they could’ve paid less for kd at a later time? There in they don’t have to dump their best assets and maybe cp3 fits with the team still, or perhaps the suns can attach cp3 in a different trade with other better assets to get something other than Beal. These are all big what ifs though and the suns are where they are unfortunately.
@@coltondodd3086 hindsight is always 20/20 dude- I thought the KD trade was great and it still is, the level of play has been excellent all season, but Mat Ishbia was always gonna do something splashy with our sorry franchise having to endure Sarver since the dawn of time.
@@ancientteenager7880 that’s the scary thing about new owner is they always want to make splashes. They want the team to be the team they made you know?
Great show.
You can't judge a team on their worst or best day but in the average
Not really a bron fan but still excited for ya'lls new podcast
Thank you JJ great as always!
The problem with the Suns apart from defense (Greyson out of the starters plays consistently defense) is they are not moving the ball. For kD and Book the pass is the last resort. So many times they go one on 2 and force a very difficult shot when G Allen has a clean look from 3
Got my leg back on this jawn let’s gooo
The only thing I can think is the defensive game plan included Gianni's and he was a last minute dnp. Still not a excuse
love when legler and jj have discussions
So often we are seeing these types of games from players. So many low energy games or low energy until the second half.
I think everyone who watches the Suns knows their deficiencies but it's always funny to watch the strong reactions KD's teams get from analysts. KD played 8 regular season games last year with PHX and they ripped them when they lost to the Nuggets. Now this year. But those dangerous teams fighting for a chance to be in the play-in...watch out for them 😂
But for the Suns, they need players willing to do the dirty work. If they want to start Beal, Book and KD then put an athletic PF out there to go along with Nurkic. They need a pg to run the 2nd unit and their version of a Herb Jones/Trey Murphy combo. Infuse youth and athleticism with the core group.
Everyone blames Vogel when it’s really the roster is the issue
Defensively, the only one willing to do ANY dirty work for them is Josh Okogie, and it’s obvious. He’s the only pest that consistently comes up and doesn’t give shooters all the space in the world to get shots off.
Suns "worst offense IN THE LEAGUE in the 4th quarter" actually broke my brain. How is that possible? Surely that should be basically their biggest strength.
Suns got IT now maybe they play better.
The bucks and suns game was close and the suns did clamp up, the bucks just had a hot hand throughout the game. Suns need to clamp up on their perimeter defense. In every loss it’s been because of TO or the inability to close out on 3’s very fixable by the time the playoffs roll around. Gotta get the defense and chemistry on a string
Legz can talk about hoops for hours no games no gimmicks nice seeing him just talk and not get interrupted by some drama queen
This is what we call great criticism without trying to make a clickbait comment !
The issue is the following... you cannot put three small guys together (Allen, Beal and Booker). They cannot defend properly the paint and they are not getting the rebounds. You need 2 of our top scorers in the game (KD/Beal, Booker/Beal, KD/Allen) and have 3 big guys to defend and grab the rebounds. If you put all 4 top scorers without rotating them, you will burn them. So in the 4th quarter they will implode because they are tired. Coach Vogel has to trust in their other guys to defend and rotate the 4 top scorers all the time to avoid this lack of size, defense and rebounds.
Man, every time I see Legs i wonder how the hell this dude ain't have his own show 🤔
Never saw how giving up their depth, youth, and defensive talent made sense for 3 ball dominant players on the backside of the curve.
Booker, Durant, and Beal is similar to Durant, Kyrie, and Harden in Brooklyn
Kyrie needs to be in that top 75
leggler speaks it straight up. best in the game.
Fire Vogel. I know the players should shoulder some of the blame here but the headline should be that a team with 3 x 25 pt scorers and a good supporting cast be struggling in play-in .
There’s no excuse that Monty Williams did better with Landry Shamet and Damian Lee
Life long Suns fan and this team is easily the most frustrating team I’ve experienced. Even that decade playoff drought we at least knew we sucked. The KD trade doesn’t look like it’s going to end well for us 😤
Thank you for noticing how good Jaylen Brown been playing lately! The amount of disrespect he gets is just crazy! Had someone tell me Fox is better than JB. When they played each other it was like a little kid playing vs his uncle who used to play pro ball lol. He just abusing people in the paint and shooting the ball at a high clip! I love JB man! I just hope we can win a ring so he can stay as long as possible! I would hate to see him leave Boston!
Frank Vogul is a terrible coach his team been quit on him tbh
Vogel was never an nba player, Monty was
I’ve said this, JB is Celtic’s best player since all star break and that’s why it’s crazy to me how JT is still in top5 MVP convo.
Kyrie diving for deflections and rebounds, that's the kind of stuff you want from your franchise players. He could've missed the winning shot and still be the main energy behind Dallas last night. Props on all that effort.
Yeah you could definitely see the energy from him when he stole the ball from jokic in the first 2 minutes of the game and even when he got dunked on by Gordon he was showing effort.
As a Suns fan all I can think is “what the Buck!?”
Fire vogel and sign dantoni . If we want to go full offense lets do that . Doing playoffs we plY team defense . Lets go all offense .
Lol it's really the confidence Ky had on that hook shot😂
JJ talking only about the Suns. Seems like they lost on their own.
3 great mid range shooters can win, but they won't so it consistently depending on mid range shots which are the lowest points per shot spot on the floor to score from. Phoenix thought they knew better than everyone else, but Ishba is still fighting with Jokic for the ball from last years playoffs.
The clutch shot was Lukas 3
Love the good cop bad cop lol ..these to together might be the best 2
Watching the game and the casuals who were announcing talking about how surprised they are by the Suns not being better. I called it pre-season, they just don’t have the defense to be really good. Great players on offense, but they don’t have it on D.
The thing about Sun's also is fact thay IMO KD book and Beal just don't work together as a big 3
But you didnt call anything theyve had a top 10 defense throughout most of the year. Even with the bad Celtics and Bucks losses theyre still ranked #11.
Need that good D
@@AdamGamingClips 13th. Theyre 11th in NRating though.
They're the 13th best defense and are improving every month. Their issue is not offense or defense, its failing to be locked in over the course of all 4 quarters.
Kyrie’s shot was a ball push lol. Reminded me of a dart throw more than a basketball shot. That one hurt as a Denver fan.
I’m so shocked that getting two guys who do almost the exact same thing as your best player (Booker) does…wouldn’t work out. 😂
Mavz needs those guys to play with confidence Lukai will ball out but the others need to be competitive if they do Mavz going to have a great run this season 🏆
I don't know why good teams make trades and rebuild?
Okay, the suns couldn't get the chip on a few occasions but they were still a team that could get to the finals.
Then they trade CP, Ayton and they literally fall apart.
What did they think was gonna happen?
This >>>> everybody yelling on ESPN