I just started sailing this year and am searching for my first liveaboard cruising boat --- and I would want a sea trial, of at least one day, perhaps two days with a Marine Surveyor on board. It's a good opportunity to check systems, sails/winches, engine, rudder, windlass, bilge pumps, stove/oven, the toilet/shower, etc...Check every cabinet, storage area, etc too for mold or rot...Do the nav lights, mast light and cabin lights work after dark, etc...It's your investment and you can also be polite in making requests...As someone once said, " Cruising is really just the constant repair/upgrade of your boat in exotic locations!!!"
Very much liked part one and part two of your videos. I live in Elkhart IN, USA and next fall will be making the plunge towards boat ownership. For now though I am an armchair sailor.
You say to have a must-have list, but what if you don't know what items to look for? Are there ready-made lists or recommendations the further elaborate on the suggestions you made?
Captain, thank you for your sharing. Just bought (already pay closing fee on Feb.) a 36 Mainship, 1988, wait for mechanical and sea trial at the best weather available on 2017, lots of questions. Will email you for help. Thanks.
Here in Florida, I have had brokers lie just as fast as owners, and they are slicker at it. Also, buyers will make a deal and later decide to keep various gear. I like old sellers who are getting out of sailing altogether. Guys who are "moving up" tend to take a lot of the good stuff with them.
+tom jackson I actually encourage sellers to remove items they can use on their new boats as that means you can lower your selling price. Thanks for your insight. Allan
But like you advise, it is best for a buyer to find a fully equipped boat, rather than fill a cheap boat with new gear. But sellers and buyers have different tactics. Lats time I made a cash offer, a buyer accepted it, then proceeded to pull stuff out of the deal. I finally told him to keep the whole darn boat. 3 months later, he has payed 3 months dockage, and sits with an unsold boat, all over 150 dollars worth of gear. Unreasonable of me? Maybe, but I don't like getting screwed. I have cash and there are lots of boats for sale.
+tom jackson Tom, that is why I insist on an inventory to be attached to the offer to purchase. Sometimes taking things out is an oversight. Other times it's fraud. Thanks for your insight. Allan
Outstanding information from every aspect looking fwd to more! Also if I may ad your trip around several of the Eastern Great Lakes were very informative and easy to understand thanks again Sir
I was wondering a ran across it channel a few yrs ago. I seem to to rememer watch a video where u I think talk about downloadable pdf on doing a self survey of a boat you may be looking to buy what I that you? If not do you know where I can find something like that? I looked over ur video list and can seem to find it can ya help me out? Thanks
Hi Jim, That is our most popular handout. "Marine Survey Checklist". You can get a pdf copy by emailing me at grampianmarine@gmail.com Fair winds! Allan
Its not a washroom.. Its a head! In my experience having owned 4 trawlers and one Alberg.. they all needed a fair amt of work. What you want, you prob can't afford. A good 25-30 trawler won't be cheap. Ideally you have the $.. or the skills to turn a good hull into the boat of your dreams. Best advice.. buy a cartopper, be happy!
Your next vacation,come to Florida,,there’s shitloads of boats,all sizes,all qualities,all prices,,mooring fields average $350 a month,includes parking,laundry and showers,,or there’s anchoring out,dingy dock prices are about $100 or $7-+ a day
A GRP 46 foot William Gardner ketch at Tin Can Bay Australia, was first offered at $49,000.00, but sold for $29.000.00. turned out it needed two new wooden masts. Currently a fiberglass Formosa 37 foot ketch is for sale at Port Stevens N.S.W. and it's $44,000.00. No surveyor information available on this one, and it looks very neglected in varnish and general appearance. I guessing about $30.000.00 on this one. Older boats/yachts are becoming cheaper as economic conditions press down on people, and for old wooden classics this is sad.
A stressful commute made me so discouraged after a year dodging the road warriors that I sold the boat I waited my whole life to get. The cost in terms of health, physical and mental and wasted time has to be added to the financial cost of driving. It is simply not sustainable to do this to yourself. The result is the opposite of why you bought a boat ! If you have a year of work to do on the boat. Move it to dry land close to home.. or pay the extra in fees to have it close. You will be glad you did !
offplanetevent You may be writing that to be amusing, but if you did that, in reality you would insult a lot of nice people for no good reason. My suggestion of being polite while offering a price lower than the asking gives the seller a choice without being insulting. I hope this helps. Allan
Allan Stokell well, your way may be the nice way, but business is business. Throw out an offer, get a counter offer.... Remember, they want to sell and I want to buy. Brass tacks. I really enjoyed your videos and I did learn some from them.
offplanetevent Keeping in mind that the relationship between buyer and seller is a significant determinant of success in a deal. You need to be aware that by lowballing, you run the risk of offending or scare off the seller, who will terminate the deal immediately, thereby foregoing any possibility of you, the buyer, getting a good price on a nice quality boat ! This is very common, in my experience. As attractive as lowball/hardball is as a business philosophy, the used vehicle markets are not good places to use it. I prefer to build a friendly relationship and let the price result from an honest mutual assessment of the boat's value. If the buyer or seller comes across as a cutthroat hardline monopoly guy, I walk away.
0:26 into this and I'm out of here. It's like walking into a restaurant and you know you don't want to be there. I wish your followers good luck because they are really gonna need it.
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I just started sailing this year and am searching for my first liveaboard cruising boat --- and I would want a sea trial, of at least one day, perhaps two days with a Marine Surveyor on board. It's a good opportunity to check systems, sails/winches, engine, rudder, windlass, bilge pumps, stove/oven, the toilet/shower, etc...Check every cabinet, storage area, etc too for mold or rot...Do the nav lights, mast light and cabin lights work after dark, etc...It's your investment and you can also be polite in making requests...As someone once said, " Cruising is really just the constant repair/upgrade of your boat in exotic locations!!!"
Very much liked part one and part two of your videos. I live in Elkhart IN, USA and next fall will be making the plunge towards boat ownership. For now though I am an armchair sailor.
You say to have a must-have list, but what if you don't know what items to look for? Are there ready-made lists or recommendations the further elaborate on the suggestions you made?
Captain,
thank you for your sharing. Just bought (already pay closing fee on Feb.) a 36 Mainship, 1988, wait for mechanical and sea trial at the best weather available on 2017, lots of questions. Will email you for help.
Thanks.
Thanks again for your guides, this is exactly the kind of information and guidance I need right now.
Here in Florida, I have had brokers lie just as fast as owners, and they are slicker at it. Also, buyers will make a deal and later decide to keep various gear. I like old sellers who are getting out of sailing altogether. Guys who are "moving up" tend to take a lot of the good stuff with them.
+tom jackson
I actually encourage sellers to remove items they can use on their new boats as that means you can lower your selling price.
Thanks for your insight.
Allan
But like you advise, it is best for a buyer to find a fully equipped boat, rather than fill a cheap boat with new gear.
But sellers and buyers have different tactics.
Lats time I made a cash offer, a buyer accepted it, then proceeded to pull stuff out of the deal. I finally told him to keep the whole darn boat. 3 months later, he has payed 3 months dockage, and sits with an unsold boat, all over 150 dollars worth of gear. Unreasonable of me? Maybe, but I don't like getting screwed. I have cash and there are lots of boats for sale.
+tom jackson
Tom, that is why I insist on an inventory to be attached to the offer to purchase. Sometimes taking things out is an oversight. Other times it's fraud.
Thanks for your insight.
Allan
Outstanding information from every aspect looking fwd to more! Also if I may ad your trip around several of the Eastern Great Lakes were very informative and easy to understand thanks again Sir
I was wondering a ran across it channel a few yrs ago. I seem to to rememer watch a video where u I think talk about downloadable pdf on doing a self survey of a boat you may be looking to buy what I that you? If not do you know where I can find something like that? I looked over ur video list and can seem to find it can ya help me out? Thanks
Hi Jim, That is our most popular handout. "Marine Survey Checklist". You can get a pdf copy by emailing me at grampianmarine@gmail.com
Fair winds!
Allan
Its not a washroom.. Its a head! In my experience having owned 4 trawlers and one Alberg.. they all needed a fair amt of work. What you want, you prob can't afford. A good 25-30 trawler won't be cheap. Ideally you have the $.. or the skills to turn a good hull into the boat of your
dreams. Best advice.. buy a cartopper, be happy!
Your next vacation,come to Florida,,there’s shitloads of boats,all sizes,all qualities,all prices,,mooring fields average $350 a month,includes parking,laundry and showers,,or there’s anchoring out,dingy dock prices are about $100 or $7-+ a day
Bob Le Clair is saltwater bad for fibreglass boats? I keep being told that a plus is if the boat had only been in freshwater.
If you buy a boat in Florida,the odds are,it touched salt
A GRP 46 foot William Gardner ketch at Tin Can Bay Australia, was first offered at $49,000.00, but sold for $29.000.00. turned out it needed two new wooden masts.
Currently a fiberglass Formosa 37 foot ketch is for sale at Port Stevens N.S.W. and it's $44,000.00. No surveyor information available on this one, and it looks very neglected in varnish and general appearance. I guessing about $30.000.00 on this one. Older boats/yachts are becoming cheaper as economic conditions press down on people, and for old wooden classics this is sad.
But Captain, I love to fall in love with boats. Is there no hope for an old romantic like yours truly ?
A stressful commute made me so discouraged after a year dodging the road warriors that I sold the boat I waited my whole life to get. The cost in terms of health, physical and mental and wasted time has to be added to the financial cost of driving. It is simply not sustainable to do this to yourself. The result is the opposite of why you bought a boat ! If you have a year of work to do on the boat. Move it to dry land close to home.. or pay the extra in fees to have it close. You will be glad you did !
Very good thanks
:) good info once again:)
+Janos D
Thank you Yanos,
I've got a couple of videos in post production. I hope you have subsribed.
Fair winds my friend.
Allan
+Allan Stokell yes i did:)
Or just low ball every boat you like until you finally get one .
offplanetevent You may be writing that to be amusing, but if you did that, in reality you would insult a lot of nice people for no good reason. My suggestion of being polite while offering a price lower than the asking gives the seller a choice without being insulting.
I hope this helps.
Allan
Allan Stokell well, your way may be the nice way, but business is business. Throw out an offer, get a counter offer....
Remember, they want to sell and I want to buy. Brass tacks.
I really enjoyed your videos and I did learn some from them.
offplanetevent Keeping in mind that the relationship between buyer and seller is a significant determinant of success in a deal. You need to be aware that by lowballing, you run the risk of offending or scare off the seller, who will terminate the deal immediately, thereby foregoing any possibility of you, the buyer, getting a good price on a nice quality boat ! This is very common, in my experience.
As attractive as lowball/hardball is as a business philosophy, the used vehicle markets are not good places to use it. I prefer to build a friendly relationship and let the price result from an honest mutual assessment of the boat's value. If the buyer or seller comes across as a cutthroat hardline monopoly guy, I walk away.
+blakerwalk BOTH sides in a deal should feel good good about how it ended. It's a shame how many people are desperate to feel as though they won.
+Gerry C Oooops, feeling "good" once is enough. hahaha
0:26 into this and I'm out of here. It's like walking into a restaurant and you know you don't want to be there. I wish your followers good luck because they are really gonna need it.