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In conclusion:
Luigi wins
Why you ask?
By absolutely doing nothing.
In terms of personality and character
If we do duos in the ring then mario and luigj solo because of luigi himself.
@@Luigieight268 Dreamy Luigi basically
Godzilla wins
@@BlueJourney2719SHUT UP
I thought we moved past this like ten years ago
Exactly
More like 25 years ago
I know right, I love both franchises
Although we moves passed this sonic solos eny time sonic will solo sonic sonic will win in less than 1 micro second
Me too but its still going.
I don't think Cappy would be much use against Sonic, and it's more than just "Sonic's too fast to hit" although that is indeed a factor. You gotta remember Eggman's built machines that can match Sonic's speed which is something Mario's not used to dealing with, but also you can't possess everything with Cappy in Super Mario Odyssey. Mario can possess a lot of things, but the Broodals, Peach, most NPCs, and even Bowser can't be possessed at least not until severely wounded in Bowser's case. Plus, water isn't that big of deal to Sonic anymore. In Colors, he could swim just fine, and even if you take that away, he can just use the Bubble Shield to stay down there permanently, the Drill Wisp to swim through perfectly fine, or even just boost to the surface like he can in Generations. That's just my two cents though.
Finally someone who thinks before just favoritizing one side
@@VoiceActingDude24 Ikr most people are just bis. personally don't SEE how Mario is winning this. Like he said Sonic is faster then anything Mario has faced. Also there no way Mario has every powerup and capture ready for him in one area.
@@RaidFiftyOne exactly
@@RaidFiftyOneMario would catch up easily, you're forgetting his speed feats 💀.
@@jamesjackson6717 Such as?
At least this is a breath of fresh air from his usual content of constantly Nintendo direct or rumors videos
Sonic vs. Mario is a fun idea, but let's be real, everyone wants their favorite character to win. If you like Sonic more? You want Sonic to win; if you like Mario more? You want Mario to win. People take this stuff to seiously, sometimes. Close your eyes and imagine them fighting, and thats who wins. I see people turning it into a "which series is better" argument - which is heavily missing the point, in my opinion, lol.
Agreed it can be really fun to see who wins but it's true people take jt WAY to far,
And I think Mario and Sonic on a time is probably better.
actually a series of fights would be fun so long as people don't take it to seriously.
I was thinking having one but at the end they team up to stop bowser and eggman would be cool
Khaos ur a freaking peacemaker bruh honestly respect 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thats what ppI wanna beleive because it helps them handle debates better but uh. No theres an objective answer to things like these. If a character has one feat and its destroying a car. And another character has one feat and its destroying a sun. There is no opinion. The one who destroyed the sun wins. Now ay any moment the writers can do watever they want but until they do that regardless of evidence. But till then, you can use what the characters presently have to say who wins.
Sonic isn't weak against water because, in the games, Sonic can survive a decent amount of time in water until he needs an air bubble.
But that's just a theory, a GAME THEORY
I was crying watching the final video with Matpat, but that’s just a theory
@@igottakirbranger8995same😭
Also the bubble shield let’s him stay underwater indefinitely
Idk if this counts but in chao in space Sonic was floating in the water of the SA2 normal chao garden
He can't swim though, so if mario captures sonic, runs to the bottom of the ocean or deep in the water and tie his leg up in some seaweed or if there is a chain, then gets out of capture and leaves, Sonic ded.
The reason I like Mario more isn't because of how powerful he is but how fun his Games are
Same
sonic games are honestly more fun tbh. it really just depends on what you grow up.
@@TNTX23 Maybe
not honestly a opinion@@TNTX23
for both i played sonic first but ultimatly liked mario more@@TNTX23
You havent even considered the moveset in Sonic Superstars. He can make Clones of Himself, Slow Down Time, Turn into a Bullet ... You could also mention Chaos Control from Sonic Adventure 2, where he literally teleported.
I mean Mario can move when time is stopped or slowed down shown in paper mario
@@The_real_Catnap_is_hereLol Mario has been shown to do that even in Mario 64 in Tick Tock Clock and he moved while Culex was consuming time and space lol
@@david_cool427YTFINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS.
Mario can transcend time and space with cutout.
sonic can literally move without time
There are a lot of issues with this. Though the whole "Sonic weak to water" is extremely outdated, he hasn't been weak to water since the 2000's, in Sonic Colors, we can see him swim just fine. Also, I am not sure where you got the impression that Sonic sometimes doesn't breathe in space. Sonic has always been able to breathe in space just. Mario, on the other hand, is inconsistent if he can breathe underwater or not. The 2D games seems like he can, but in 3D games he can't.
Also Super sonic being crush is just a game mechanic, in canon Super Sonic can't be crushed, the Titans tried and failed.
Also if you're going to use Smash bros as point towards Mario's abilities, then wouldn't that alone proves Sonic is stronger than Mario? Everyone was struggling against Tabuu, until Sonic came and two shot him like he was nothing. Seems like Nintendo themselves was stating that Sonic is the strongest Smash character around that (until ultimate when they brought in even stronger characters)
Yeah but the idea is Mario possesses Sonic drowns him, then Mario dies turns into a ghost and can resurrect himself without any help. Which is possible (Sonic can drown in frontiers 3D and superstars 2D) but wouldn’t happen because that’s extremely out of character for Mario
@luiscontreras769 Mario will be unable to possess Sonic though. his will too strong. If a million year old god/devil is unable to possess him, then I highly doubt a little ghost cap would.
Keep in mind the cap doesn't work on everyone, I couldn't work on the bosses, especially that huge epic Dragon. The only boss it worked on was Bowser, but he had to be unconscious for it to work
@@UltimateSuperX Mario didn't even attempt to capture the dragon, all he needed to do was uncover a weak spot of his head. And there's no proof Bowser needed to be unconscious, he was just vulnerable after being busted out of his wedding suit and hat. Sonic lacks headgear, and though Sonic may have been attempted to be possessed, we don't know how powerful Cappy's possession powers are, yet they appear to be practically instantaneous, with Mario being able to possess many things, people, and enemies without much issue at all. Due to this, there's no concrete proof Sonic is immune to being captured
@ClassicSonictheRemixer That is a really bad point. If we go with idea that Mario didn't attempt to capture the Dragon (even though that makes sense, we know us the player's have tried) then that means is just...really...really..stupid, he could have just captured the Dragon and beat Bowser. There many times, Bowser was vulnerable in the boss fight, and you still couldn't capture him. If Cappy was really that OP, then he wouldn't even need Mario to save his sister. He could have possessed Bowser as soon he even tempted to kidnap her.
Also, there is concrete proof that Sonic is immune to being captured. The Light god flat-out told Sonic that he is. When Sonic was confused on why he wasn't possessed like everyone else (even a demi god/ agent guardian lost their will and mind to the devil/ Dark gaia), he at first assumed that maybe the Light god was protecting him, but the light god told Sonic that he had nothing to do with it, and said Sonic himself is the reason why he was never got possessed, and he is too strong to ever lose himself.
it's not a bad point and i noticed some faults with you bud
ok
1. movesets and bios are cannon to the characters not the story and also this is proven by kirby who has his smash moves in official games
2. invicible mario can't be crushed like sonic not even mario in base it's also cannon that toon force durability is a thing for mario sonic can die from getting crushed and knocked back to base that's the truth but mario hasn't shown that happens to him ok
3. cappy isn't the strongest ghost but he ngl might not affect sonic also but he is still strong for possesing bowser and you again can possess foes if badly wounded ok and yea
4. nintendo in recent days has mario above sonic power wise it was a offical twitter look for it yourself cuz i stumbled upon it ngl also in that case mario is stronger cuz smash ultimate also the whole smash series is apart of well master hands imagination not real non of it the only cannon things is well the movesets and i said it before their bios
mario has more resistances than sonic which is a form of durability tbh but I need more scans if youtube dosen't delete my wellll comments
@@UltimateSuperX
This comment section is just proving how pointless this argument is 💀
*at the end of the day these are two characters who can overcome any threat presented to them if the plot says they can*
Nothing can beat the almighty Plot Armor.
@@GottaFistDemAll You don't need Plot Armor if you're fit. Mario and Sonic do cardio
Finally, someone understands the assignment.
The assignement?
Enjoy the IP you like, and let that be it. You have nothing to prove by liking a stronger character, that doesn’t make you a better person. If you think you have the right to gloat because your favorite fictional character can beat up a little kid’s hero then congrats, you’ve earned the “go touch grass” award.
Sorry, I’m a Sonic fan, and I’ve been beat down for it my whole life.
@@RedInkTheOneAndOnly I get it. I'm a fan of both, and if I'm being honest, I think you said everything I was feeling perfectly
for some reason every attack mario has sonic somehow can resist it dang sega pretty much made sonic really op but archie sonic that is not fair
I just think Mario's nemesis are more accurated to the Mario World
Sonic is just like:
Ok after another battle against an crazy doctor here is wait a minute let me see
*god*
that he needed help beating mind you
@@drewhaynes1874 no , silver shadow and sonic all fought their own solaris,
The same solaris lol. This could exist in the present, past and future, if Sonic eliminated the one from the present, Solaris would still be alive in the past and present. (If you did it with help)@@SonicZGamer
@@fontanermario yeah doesn't change the fact that they all kill their own Solaris, the past version, the present one and the future one, they had no issue defeating one, but they needed to be 3 otherwise it wouldnt work
@@SonicZGamerStill the same solaris bruh. In the end it cost them the hedgehog's life.
Anyone else remember the Nintendo High series? I like Mario and Sonic much more when they’re friends. Or, at least friendly rivals.
I also watch Nintendo high
Good series
I cant wait to see more of Sega High
Yeah, I love Nintendo High, they make new episode around every 3-4 months
i only watched a little of it
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to."
- Kylo Ren (SWTLJ 2017)
Remember me you said a story and you said not for me HI
Alright… Everyone I see was born in the past, so I must listen to you.
If only movie studios learned this.
This guy has some wrongs, Sonic's super form is not based off rings, the ring count for his super form is just for the games, that is there so that the player isn't too powerful forever. Paper Mario and Super Mario are different universes, so you can't really compare both of the 2 different games. Cappy was an only once power-up, actually, Cappy isn't really a power-up, he is a ghost that wanted to help Mario save the princess because his sister was with the princess too, then once Mario and Cappy save both Princess Peach and Cappy's sister, Cappy and Mario departed from each other and never really met again. The reason why Eggman is able to catch sonic (sometimes) when Sonic is going really fast is because Eggman knows that sonic runs really fast, so Eggman built robots to catch up with Sonic's speed, examples are Metal Sonic, Infinite, (and maybe more). Mario could possibly catch Sonic if Mario can read Sonic's speed pretty quickly. (Tell me if any of this information is wrong).
Mario and Paper Mario are the same, one of Paper Mario official sources confirm it and I even somewhat could prove that Paper Jam is not canon
Thank you for this information, I actually didn't know that. I thought that they were different universes because one is paper, and one is real. (Again, thank you for this information).
Yeah, the canonicity of rings to the sonic universe has been going back-and-forth constantly in some games. They were a currency that has actual value to the universe of sonic and other games. They are just a gameplay mechanic and in a lot of cinematic parts of sonic media sonic doesn’t need rings For it rings have only been mentioned in a cinematic like once, or twice the most notable one I can think of is when classic tails and modern tails are talking to each other at the end of sonic generations and classic tails asked modern tails “where does he put all those rings“ modern tails responds “ ya know I’m not sure sometimes I ask myself the same thing”
Paper Mario is canon, but some paper Mario games are not, such as Super Paper Mario (Due to that paper Mario not existing in 3d until given the power to) and Paper Jam (speaks for itself)
You're wrong. The speed difference makes it literally impossible for mario to perceive let alone predict sonics movements. We can even make mario stronger (he's not I'm just giving an example here) and sonic still speed blitzes him
This is just as tiring as the Goku vs. Superman debate. Can we all just admit that they wouldn't even fight to begin with and most likely be friends instead?
I agree with you! Honestly, that would also, objectively, be the correct answer too! And even IF they fought, it’d be more likely a sparring match between the two of them, just for fun! Besides, them fighting seriously at each other’s throats goes completely against both of their characters.
@@SonicAndre2 Yeah I don't see them fighting against each other. More like they would team up instead.
Yeah but that’s not the debate. “They would be friends, actually” is not an answer because we’re asking who would win if they DID fight, not if they would fight in the first place
@@apersoniguess_thank you captain obvious
@@LeviathanGamer799 hey tell that to OP here not me
This Mario vs Sonic argument seriously needs to stop
It's not going to stop. Mario vs Sonic is a fandom's Holy Grail of debates. Either be a part of it or just move away from the topic.
I have grown tired of these arguments years ago, so I simply stop getting involved unless I want to joke around. It's not that serious, unless you want to make it serious.
honestly it doesn’t matter anymore, Mario is just more relevant nowdays and it’s gonna take an eternity (ironically) for sonic to catch up
@@Barkity both characters are relevant nowadays
@@Themasktrooperthey probably mean the rough history sonic has had with games
I agree what's the point of it anyway?
I just feel like they would be friends
Mario is better at something’s and sonic is better at other things
They can be friends AND rivals.
Yeah but rivals don’t try and kill each other is mainly friendly brawls.
@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk When did they ever try killing each other ?
i mean they did a collab twice but in both they fighted (smash bros. brawl, sonic and mario at the olympics games)
@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk I could have sworn I replied. Anyway what I thought I said was that well... When did they ever try to kill each other ?
6:30 Dully noted, Mario has to die repeatedly to get the white tanookie suit... Meaning in a 1 round match he can't use it and even if he does if he's taken out of the general "level" area of the battle or doused in lava, it's over for him, Mario may have the edge with water, but Sonic has that same advantage in opposite liquid... given he has a fire shield or a superform active...
Don't forget the bubble sheild lol
That's only for the player and gameplay, Mario can use the white tanuki suit whenever he gets stuck and it only disappears when he has completed his objective, meaning that he can use it for as long as he wants, sonic needs to find or have the chaos emeralds on hand to even use it and Mario has the advantage in space and water, he can use power ups in both and can breathe in both. As soon as super sonic gets hit with a super star its over for him and he cant breathe in space, Mario has also tanked both a black hole and super nova so sonic doesn't have the strength to even hurt him
@@user-to4zl8wf2n One could argue that the white tanookie suit doesn't even exist in the normal canonical Mario world, it's not like he can get it from a toad house or find it on a tree like he can with stuff like the acorn power up.
@@user-to4zl8wf2n Sonic pretty often wanders around space, the cutscene before the Death Egg in Sonic 2 and Death Egg Act 2 from Sonic 3 is one of the earliest examples of this...
Not to mention in cutscenes he doesn't need rings to turn Super Sonic, in Sonic 3 he just does it and in Sonic Unleashed he doesn't collect jack before rushing in a golden rampage.
I Hope I live long enough to see a Mario VS Sonic Movie being made.
Not like it would deliver a definitive answer, Nah, that debate goes forth and back like a Goomba stuck between two pipes.
Just want to see the spectacle.
Or like Sonic in Sonic CD being hit against 2 sideways springs
Bro literally forgot that Hyper Sonic can breath underwater.
Except that you need certain amount rings to maintain hyper form just like most of sonic forms.
@@jazzjackson9817tbf rings are just a gimmick not smth sonic actually needs
in sonic x he didnt need rings, so didnt he in the second sonic movie
@@sonic_production rings work differently in the movies🤓
@@joelwright8458yeah, but not as a super sonic source, and thats what matters
@@sonic_productionEven though rings to matter to Super Sonic in frontiers, during the fight against The End in Final Horizons, Sonic ends up losing rings during a cutscenes making him temporarily lose his Super Form, which Sega could have just not implemented since it was a cutscene
I honestly think it could go across either way.
In terms of strength and durability, they're both universal threats, if not multiversal. Though while Mario gets to this level casually in base form, thanks to him being able to keep up with Zeekeeper and Dreamy Bowser without power-ups, Sonic rarely displays that level of power in base form, but otherwise, Super Sonic has shown himself to be that powerful pretty consistently, thanks to him beating characters like Solaris and the Time Eater.
In terms of speed, it's surprisingly debatable as to who's faster since they should both be fast enough to travel across the universe in very short periods of time. They also have arguments for having an immeasurable speed since they're able to keep up with boses like the Time Eater and Celux. But again, Sonic is considerably more likely to reach that level of speed as Super Sonic, whereas him having immeasurable speed in base form is highly questionable.
In terms of versatility, Mario definitely takes it, thanks to him being kinda stacked when it comes to what equipment he has on him, though I wouldn't consider that an automatic win condition, especially since Mario and Sonic are arguably comparable to each other in terms of physicality.
And about the Super Sonic thing, Mario could wait for him to run out of time, but Super Sonic is just as likely to overpower Mario before he can react.
Btw, I can think of other matchups that might interest you more than Mario vs Sonic, namely Mario vs Mickey Mouse and Sonic vs Son Goku.
The speed is very debatable since Mario along with Luigi in the base state can escape from a black hole created by the dark star in M&L Bowser Inside story.
@fontanermario Funnily enough, so has Sonic in Sonic Colors, which reinforces their physicality being similar.
@@Mr-Rando423I mean Sonic still does get captured by the black hole in colors but the feat is still impressive
Super Sonic does not have a time limit
@@solarfiringtiger4254 yes it does, it lasts longer than Mario’s does but he has multiple super forms and ways to work around super sonic
The funny thing is when people try to say other characters could beat them both like link, mega man, crash etc. Both the Sonic and mario side band together to debunk or talk trash
Alright I just want to make 2 things clear:
The Mario in Mario odyssey is not the same Mario as the one in paper Mario, same goes with every other spin off.
Also, remember the beginning cutscene in Mario odyssey? When bowsers hat was swinging back around to launch Mario off his ship, mario didn’t have the reaction time to dodge bowsers hat the second time. So please explain to me how Mario could react to someone who almost out ran a black hole?
I have been saying both Mario and paper Mario are not the same being.
Anyway good point
And do you think Sonic can win against someone who SURVIVED a black hole
Mario from the M&L games is the same though so...
No he’s not. Mario from M&L is a totally separate Mario from the main Mario games, the Mario from M&L is not the same Mario from a main line game like Mario odyssey.
Game mario never survived a black hole.
As both a Mario and Sonic Fan this is ridiculous.
I thought we squashed this years ago.
fr, remember that one ad that said *sega does what nintendont* lol
As time goes on and new information arises many people will bring up this topic. In other words; history is repeating itself.
Ok. This video needs research.
1. Sonic CAN swim in Sonic Colors. And thanks to the boost, he can get out of the water in a matter of seconds.
2. Mario has better combat. Mario & Luigi skills > Sonic Frontiers skills
3. Super Sonic doesn't have time limit. Yes, you can knock him, but in Sonic Advance Sonic stayed in super form for 3 days. And even if you knock him, as demonstrated in Sonic Frontiers, Sonic is able to regain the form instantly. This advantage is even better with Super Sonic 2.
4. In Sonic Battle, Sonic & the Secret Rings and Sonic Generations Sonic has very good abilities that you didn't mention.
5. Mario has better durability and endurance than Sonic. This is what I consider Mario's best advantage in the fight.
Wrong sonic takes most the categories
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Most, not every category
@@MilesReset that's what i said
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 I just reaffirmed it
I admit that compared to sonic I'm not the fastest, but I'm a test of patience for him , if he ever overcomes that he will-a beat me , but for now this whole thing is meaningless since we usually don't fight hehe , cool mentions though yahoo!
Mario would win because of 3 words: Backwards Long Jump. YaYaYaYaYaYaYaYahoo
think sonic is fast? oh well, all mario needs is a staircase and he can travel to paralel universes in seconds.
@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpe Also Mario is from America 🇺🇸 sooo… 🔫💣
@@vulpevulpevulpevulpevulpevulpeit Is a glitch and is not canonical
@@Funtimeryan2you know that mario can turn into sonic by using cappy, right? also the blj is canon ur just jealous that mario is better also bro has a ms paint pfp
@@BeamanBricksmario is italy
While I'm more to think Sonic can win even if barely , I think it's a tie.
1st, the ring thing is a game gimmick, it’s never been mentioned before that sonic needs rings to run fast or to keep his super form. 2nd, water doesn’t matter in a versus fight, because by adding water you are giving it a biased battleground
I think the ring thing is heavily implied but I get where your coming from. And also if we're allowing cappy then couldn't we just idk have the entire sonic cast or even just tails
Sonic Generations and The Murder Of Sonic The Hedgehog:
(Classic Tails questioned the rings at ending cutscene of Generations)
Honestly, any battleground is a biased battleground like if you added water, it would be unfair to sonic, but if you made it a flat plain, it would be unfair to Mario, I’d say if they wanted to make it fair, they should just make the battleground as diverse as possible volcanoes, mountains, oceans, deserts, wastelands, grassy fields, jungles, etc.
Sonic needing the rings to run fast is a gimmick anywhere else it’s canon@@egeparlak8004
Not saying make it a flat plain, I’m saying just don’t add water, and yes, I know, Mario mostly relies on his surroundings in a fight, so you don’t need to tell me@@stargazer-elite
4:25 boy smash is not canon
no way blud thought smash was canon. 💀
the good ending: mario and sonic quit fightin and hang out as buddies.
The Mario VS Sonic debate just never ends, which debating in general if it's overused is honestly annoying to me. I may prefer Mario over Sonic The Hedgehog, but my bias is not the reason I think he would win against Sonic. It's because Mario overall edges in strength, durability, and an arsenal while Sonic edges in faster speed, but speed isn't everything imo. He can certainly keep up with Sonic, and is shown to move very fast in his own right, such as when you mentioned the game Super Mario Odyssey. Though also Super Mario Galaxy as well. Nice that you decided to bring up this topic because it's safe to say Mario VS Sonic needs to end. Both are great video game protagonists.🔴🔵
I think the biggest problem with this debate is that everyone is always thinking about what kind of forms they can take, like in dragon ball or something. But they can’t just change into these powered up versions of themselves on command, they would have to go find the items needed, and I doubt that when Mario is fighting sonic he is just gonna have an invincible tanooki suit or cappy on him, same goes with Sonic.
While your right, smash bros kind of suggested that base Mario does have cappy with him at all times and Frontiers suggests that base Sonic can throw hands
@@chineduj-o6291base sonic could been throw hands way before frontiers
While you may be right, games like Super Mario World, the New Super Mario Bros Series and Wonder, and the RPG games show Mario capable of carrying many powerups on his person, and it can make sense for Sonic to have the emeralds on him.
Besides, it's more fun to see how their vast powers will clash anyways
@@ClassicSonictheRemixer the golden leaf would turn into a regular leaf once taken out of a level.
I’d usually be mad at these kind of debates but honestly this one brings me a sense of nostalgia so I’ll let it slide just this once
I say: Screw them both, I'm Team Donkey Kong.
BANANA SLAMMA
Team Bowser!
Donkey Kong solos all
Donkey Kong is all
Donkey Kong is deserving of worship.
All hail Donkey Kong
Based
I’m Team Tails. He is literally immortal. No matter how many times he dies, that little mf comes back somehow. Tails is the chosen one.
Mario is one of the fabled star children,fought god-like beings,multiple power ups.can breathe in space.can swim
Sonic is likely the true ultimate lifeform,fought many gods,multiple power ups.can breathe in space
Putting them side by side they're practically equal in almost every aspect.the Olympic Games Mario is rounded while sonic is a bit more focused on speed.while they have their own strengths,it would probably still end up in a draw
Mario with his retry clock. Every Mario & Luigi final boss
06...adventure 1
ressurection dosen't coun cuz mario would win no-diff sonic isn't immortal mario is type 4 called respawning
@@user-ko8kv1dh4u sonic can respawn as well if we’re going to say Mario can do it then, so can sonic
NO just cuz one opponet has it that dosen't mean the other gets it tf that's like sayin goku can get revived so saitama can to noooo unless proven dude and he should've did that when mephiles got him@@stargazer-elite
and again it matters if the respawns are game mechanics or not and well according to story if mario were to die and mario 64 japan manual he would respawn anyways@@stargazer-elite
Thanks for this video! This makes the already too heated discussion even worse. Like!
Blud said Mario could catch Sonic with Cappy 💀
Cappy being able to transport Mario at the speed of light itself:😹🤙
bro said light speed 💀wait till you realize Sonic was light speed 30 years ago
@@Takt.mp4sound*
@@DDDTJ no, sonic is literally light speed. he just base runs at the speed of sound, it's been stated multiple times by official sonic guide books and sega themselves that sonic is light speed. get city escape out of your head lil bro
@@stickman_ig well uhm actually sonic has also been stated to be sspeeed of sound so actually according to my actual calculations no tf u are wrong wtf
In Wario World, Wario defeated the Black Jewel who was pretty much a god. There were also a few other disturbing and powerful bosses in that game. Even though those weren't Mario feats per se, it's a safe assumption that Mario could have done it too
Although that said, I agree with the people saying Mario and Sonic would more likely be friends
Technically mario has token out Wario before this could be added to the debate maybe.
@@NehemiahSimpson-eu5sk I mean, in my onion Wario and Mario are pretty much equals with different style and who beats who when it comes to those two has more to do with plot armor than anything, but that's really just me and not everyone would agree with that which is okay
@@noktyrnylblayze7058in my *onion*
I think Rudy the Clown peaked for Wario. Rudy is a literal god trapped in a music box and was the only thing capable of killing Wario. You get a Game Over if you lose.
Here’s why the resurgence of Mario vs Sonic is happening, Death Battle made 2 episodes on this matchup, and with them making a third Goku vs Superman fight, and it being viewed as one of the episodes in the show’s history, people want Death Battle to make a third Mario vs Sonic with the same glow up.
It's Sonic because after Frontiers he's much smarter and is so fast Mario wouldn't even catch him.
They had to nerf mario after sm64 to keep him from being to op.
His most powerful is in the Mario and Luigi games and maybe galaxy
Yes, especially with that BLJ
@@mario_fan-qq4hq M-speed: I'm about to end this man's whole career
Mario's strongest feats are game plot holes like surviving super mario galaxy. People try to upscale him with these things in mind to make him win an unwinnable fight
Mario 64 is by far the best move set mario has ever had. He's an absolute unit in that game. Rpgs are lame and the galaxy duo is severely overrated.
Why can’t sonic have his other forms from his games? 😅
They're only a one time forms.
@@CuteRedPanda64especially the Sonic Storybook series. Sonic can't just use Excalibur and The Seven World Rings whenever he wants.
Why can't Archie Sonic fight Mario?
@@SHADOWTH3H3DG3H0G3 He could, but it's exclusively video game in-universe character focus, and the Sonic Archive series are completely different from game Sonic.
The wisps arent one time.
if neither of them had access to the chaos emeralds or any power-ups, sonic would easily win
Superstar Saga has entered the room. But seriously Mario can handle himself without power-ups
His abilities boil down to jump and hammer unless luigi was there but at that point the fights just been rigged
Frontiers has entered the chat, no discussion
7:09 I think in frontiers they were more being stolen than leaving of their own accord, cause they never did that before, heck Sonic can even keep them between games in Sonic 2 - 3 and In Unleashed + before that...
Sonic is technically stronger, but Mario could probably defeat him my using another method rather than just fists. So the correct answer to who would win is whatever the writers decide.
sonic with world rings can do that
Mario is pretty skilled in combat in the RPGs
exactly
The movies that come out from both of these series will only make this debate continue on for even longer, it's inevitable.
I actually saw this debate on Twitter a few days ago.
Due to the nature of the video being biased, here are some bulletpoints:
1. Super Sonic does *not* have a time limit and can't get crushed canonically. This in it of itself should end any debate. Sonic may not blitz Mario (unless it's Hyper), but Sonic can definitely overpower Mario, and if he can't due to Star, he can stall, forever. Mario will get tired eventually, Sonic never gets tired.
2. Mario's "arsenal" of powerups is dumb, most of those powerups aren't gonna be used, since they are situational. Only Star and whatever else fits the fight better. Mario also may have a big arsenal, but you need the item for said powerups. This just doesn't even make it possible for Mario to use all of his powerups.
3. Mario's durability, strength and speed may be on par with Sonic's (durability may be higher, even), but his reaction time... Oh man, his reaction time. ESPECIALLY compared to Sonic's reaction time.
4. Sonic ain't weak to water no more. Swim, boost and goodbye.
5. Search up Archie Sonic and Ultra Sonic. They aren't the games Sonic, but boy they are way, WAY better. Can solo DBS verse type of better.
6. Cappy ain't catching Sonic, sorry to break it to you. Even then, Cappy wouldn't BE there in the first place, he's long gone.
7. This fight would never take place anyways. End of debate.
Nice comment dude thanks for the information
2:45 I thought the games established Mario and Paper Mario to be separate beings...
Though their stats are probably borderline identical...
If we’re including power ups, than thanks to sonic superstars one of the chaos emeralds allows sonic to swim and breathe under water
Very true
If we're including power ups there has been a sheild that let's him breath under water since 1994
Isn't that exclusive to Classic Sonic since they are two different characters in different universes?
@@GottaFistDemAll no classic is sonic from the past
@@GottaFistDemAll nope
Well while the cappy argument is good, if you think about it Mario can't catch everything, for example the broodles if they loose their hat Mario can't capture them. Also remember all Sonic has to do to get Mario without a power up is hurt him(like in the Mario movie) Sonic being as fast as he is just spin dashes into Mario and he's without a power up, and another thing with Sonic's ability to stop time via (Chaos control or like the Sonic movie) Mario stands no chance. And you didn't even mention the fact that sonic can turn into cyber super Sonic or whatever you want to call it.
So this was a good video I just think you missed some key points.
Thx for the video.
As bigger of a fan of Sonic than Mario that I might be, I’d be agreeing completely about Mario winning. If it wasn’t for the fact that Sonic has straight up denied mind control before. So even if Mario were to get cappy to land on Sonics head, I wouldn’t say it’s a guaranteed win for Mario. Now I’m not entirely sure if Cappy/Mario is straight up using mind control or if it’s something else, but the closest thing I can liken it to, is mind control. And Sonic himself is immune to mind control as seen in the game Sonic Chronicles.
It’s possession, not mind control
Possession is really just a more direct way of mind control. By possessing something, you control their thoughts and actions. Mind control does that too. Mind control is a relatively broader term.
@@Generak-The-Starfall-God Eh, I wouldn’t call it the same. Putting your entire essence of being into someone (pause) probably works a lot differently than just putting them under a spell, or something, even if they grant you the same access to said person. Remember, it’s not just controlling someone, it’s literally straight up being that other person.
Forget that. The hat isnt even getting on him. Its not even catching cIassic base sonic.
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE STILL ON THIS ???? sorry for the capslock but this is just stupid at this point the war was over back in the 90's...
Same , like we don't even fight like-a that anymore hehe, but fans are fans what can we do? Nothing just let-a them argue..
Well Ive always said that they would be the perfect counter to each other. Sonic is weaker than Mario but he's way faster meaning he can throw infinintly more punches than Mario but Mario has that strength that can manage to damage Sonic majorly but at a much slower rate. They wouldnt even fight if they were to meet anyway so whats the point in arguing.
Mario is a litteral plumber who has killed at best a god and don’t even make me mention Archie sonic
@@MemeMaster-fq6xs Super Mario Kun?
Sonic simps when Sonic is losing a debate (they ****MUST**** throw Archie foddernic in the ring who is Base Dante victim):
@@egeparlak8004 It's funny, cuz Sonic doesn't *need* Archie to beat Mario. He's just that strong
@@egeparlak8004archie solos that 9D fodder
aint no way marios touching him even once after losing the BLJ ability
Sorry but anyone who says Mario SHOULD win is straight up bias and/or just hate Sonic for some reason, Sonic is clearly broken enough to beat Mario, what we should be debating on is Sonic V. Kirby now THAT'S interesting
Nope you're bias. I'm not too conservative to think Sonic can't win he most certainly can. But Mario's vast arsenal, similar reaction timings, and equal amount of experience should get him over. It's not an easy fight by any means tho.
Sonic beats both Mario and Kirby. The guy beat a 4th dimensional being, that's well above anything in Mario or Kirby's universe
@@Right_Bumperwhat's... Fourth-dimensional? Like-a does that matter in fights now? Wow I just thought that timing and patience was the key , I was fighting sonic in friendly battles before to train , I feel like dimensions have nothing to do at all woohoo
Besides I don't wanna meddle into arguments like these because they put me against a inspiration of Goku in the ring , but lemme tell you I'm far for weak either , as the first comment mentioned, i have lots-a items , power-ups , cappy , and tons more of tricks I could pull up to give sonic a fair fight , talk about bias... Either way I don't care I thought sonic and I left this rivalry thing back in the 90's anyways woohoo
@@Supermari0986 Hey Mario
IMHO Mario wins but neither should be underestimated. They work way better as a team tbh
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Blud Mario won’t even blink and he’ll be dead
Mario is a fat middle aged plumber like what 😂😂😂
@@MemeMaster-fq6xs mario is 24 and is a star child
@@_NormalEditorGlad to know someone else understands the forgotten Mario lore.
Sonic can actually keep his super form for days its shown in Sonic advance
The ring limit is just a game mechanic
I think this is very circumstantial but if sonic wasn’t so egotistical and if the circumstances were in his favor he could win 90% of the time but I think mario takes it most of the time
You know sonic can run while moking his enemies right?
I don’t see how mario could even stand a chance against a simple spindash, and just because sonic is scared of water and can’t swim he has conquered water levels many times in most games, and he can run on water. And you said sonic can’t top up his superform but he can, he just needs to collect rings, and rings are much more common than stars, all sonic would need to do is cyloop mario spindash through him to knock him away, purposefully let mario hit him and then parry and do a grand slam and Mario’s dead without even needing a superform. You also include rpgs in Mario’s list of feats even though they aren’t canon, if your doing comp mario, then I’ll do comp sonic, and that includes Archie sonic, and well let’s just say you don’t want mess with Archie sonic. Supersonic was only stopped by Eggman who had lots of time to prepare and caught sonic off guard, I don’t think mario has the iq to make a machine that can stop supersonic, and considering this is a fair fight you wouldn’t have any traps just raw skill.
Very biased video
With incorrect information
Sonic Solos no contest
Bro people always have a big problem with people doing Sonic but think it's okay for them to do cop Mario and think we wouldn't do it the same like😅
@@vashtianthony2442 I just don’t know how you can defend someone in a no contest fight
@@Kookie_13_ ? What do you mean Sonic smashes easily
@@vashtianthony2442 I may have misunderstood your reply
@@Kookie_13_ oh it's ok
I'd say blame the fandoms for bringing this up on Mario day, whether it be the Mario fans who wanted to start so crap on Mario day, or the Sonic fans for the same reason.
Trust me its the Sonic fans 99%. When you've been with both fandoms you'll notice that Mario's genuinely doesn't care (at least until they retaliate) and why should they care? Nintendo won the console wars in the early 90s so to them its over. Sonic's on the other hand feel the need to one-up Mario's because they lost and want to validate themselves.
@@paulgilbert5278 It’s true. Sometimes it sucks to be a part of a community with children that care *way* too much about two video game characters. It’s always going to turn into a “who’s the better character” argument in any case
Sonic sIams mario in every multimedia facet. Sonic even made the mario movie get deIayed. But anyways yeah sonic fans do it but no. Nario fans have done it many times. When fromtiers was coming up, just nintendo fans in general were saying it was gonna be another bad game in the "long list" if bad games. So anyone saying mario fans dont do that are just dishonest ppI.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy They're both good. Your opening statement just further proves Sonic fans just love being the instigator. As for Frontiers, you can't blame Mario fans for thinking it would flop given history. Mario fans aren't perfect but they at least have chill which Sonic fans don't. Case and point, sending death threats to 4kids voice actors and people spouting unpopular opinions like" SA2 is bad" or "Sonic 2 is dated", and some people in this very comment section too. There's just no chill over there.
What's funny is that I think I remember it being Super Star Mario vs Super Sonic, and I said it would vary depending on how much time each form has left.
Meaning Mario loses because Super Sonic has no time limit canonically
@@solarfiringtiger4254 and the power star lasts for 10-20 seconds
Me personally, Sonic wins. He has a wide range of forms and you did not include the monitors (Bubble Shield, Flame Shield, etc). Those are huge feats for sonic. Some other examples to back me up is Sonics speed (of course). Yes, this seems obvious, but listen. If mario is going to fight him? Sonic will just run around him. Mario does not have the quick thinking and physical speed. Please don't fight me on this. This is MY opinion.
Not biased or anything, but the only reasons why eggman could have caught sonic is because he has over 300 IQ AND he has over THIRTY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE with the hedgehog. just pointin that out. And not even talking about sonics many forms, Fleetway (comics), Dark spine (not dark cuz hes overrated), HYPER SONIC!1!!11 (even though he cant technically transform into it anymore (because the super emeralds are in a different dimension, but those said emeralds COULD have landed in the dimension where the fight took place)), Cyber sonic (idk what its called, i am still tryna finish frontiers), and many others. (im not counting archie) so he has a mega advantage. but the cherry ability IS powerful for mario. but sonic HAS defeated multiple enemies AT ONCE using his phantom strike attack. plus i dont even think that cappy would agree to fight sonic. mainly because he only joined up with mario because his sister was trapped with peach. Close tie but sonic WOULD win in the end. I do appreciate marios feats but against sonic, sonic would ultimately come out in the top. not even mentioning the super stars emerald powers if your counting super mario wonder.
Most of the Badniks that Eggman uses are no different stat wise from most of the Baddies Mario has to deal with. Mario and Sonic has similar reactions and combative timings. Especially in Dream Team where Dreams are literal Universes, and Luigi casually jumped to and from Star systems
Mmmm... That would be true if I didn't have any of my items from my past RPG adventures.. if I didn't have half if not doubled gimmick power-ups , infinite stars.. just to name a few , and you're in the wrong about cappy , cappy actually would rather join to help me in the fight cause of two core reasons: one either this fight happened in the odyssey timeline , basically in the middle of my adventure to save princess peach and Cappy's sister , and two, because all of this would be a friendly fight , i dont even fight sonic like that neither he does , we both go without items nor super forms or alternative forms ,yet we would either tie , or the first one to fumble-a timing would-a lose , but it's somewhat fun yet at the same time tiring to see people argue about this yahoo!
Mario, Mostly because of:
- Super Mario RPG
- Super Paper Mario
- Paper Jam
- Dream Team
- Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
- Mario Party 6
Super paper mario.
bro sonic would win
@@PayblozWilfong Oh boy here we go
What does Mario Party 5 have that would make Mario win? (I've only played N64 Mario Parties and Wii onwards, I honestly have no idea.)
@@BlueJourney2719 Do you want me to explain
Would cappy even be able to catch sonic :|
Exactly my point bro
If y'all think a human plumber could be a blue alien hedgehog who runs so fast that he could travel through time and space it's okay That's what you think
Respect to you bro
What some people dont understand is that most of these debates are for *fun*
Just talking to your friend or a stranger about an imaginary characters duking it out, discussing about there powers and skills are *fun*
It is okey to debate over fictional characters fighting just remember to keep it under check and dont go too far into it. At the end of the day having *fun* is the most important things about these stuff.
Who would win is very situational. Mario cant track super sonic speeds alone so Sonic does have an edge. Both have the potential to destroy eachother under the right circumstances.
nah hold on mario can react to basikcally any speed and he has irrelevant speed
I think it’s a tie
Sonic is not limited to chaos emeralds and whips, he has the power boxes, which have multiple powers, regular shield, bubble shield, electric shield which does electric damage and acts like a magnet, fire shield which defends against fire and gives sonic a fire dash, invincibility shield which makes him invisible, also you completely forgot on purpose about hyper form, it's funny you gave mario cappy which was a power up for only 1 game, sonic should have the lightspeed dash ring, fire ring, bounce bracelet, chaos control which is a time stop which mario has no counter for at all, lightspeed attack, and more, so yeah you was very biest towards mario, next time you want to do a video like this don't cheat and hope no one will notice
The less ardent sonic fan:
@@fontanermario ?
Using Death Battle at the beginning of the video after the intro, is just perfect
Death battle is so wrong on that. they just used the animation where mario came on top.
I can't believe two fanbases fighting over who's *"better in a fight"* would be so amusing.😂
I love Mario and all, but super speed has turned out to be one of the most overpowered abilities across all of media, not just with Sonic. Add on top of that Sonic's 1 Ring rule and the fact that he doesn't drop all of them when hit anymore shows that it really should be Sonic that wins at least 99.99999% of the time. The only way Mario could win is extreme luck (because the power ups he'd need to defeat Sonic need to appear by chance) or they'd have to be doing something other than battle, like a baking competition or jumping contest. If it is a battle there is almost no reason why Sonic should loose. The only people who would think otherwise are either blindsided by nostalgia or are purposefully forgetting that all the power ups that could defeat Sonic are entirely luck based. Plus the whole Cappy thing of how Mario could just capture Sonic is dumb because if Mario just captures Sonic and kills Sonic that would kill Mario too, Odyssey shows us this. In Odyssey I capture a Hammer Bro and jump into lava, that kills both the Hammer Bro AND Mario, so I don't see why that would be different here.
I completely forgot about the rings lol
9:50 If we accout for everything at their disposal and not per game instances, then Sonic can survive and escape with the bubble shield.
Or those rocket shoes he had for a short while...
Mario would have to actively sit their and nearly drown himself to keep Sonic from escaping that...
At this point, i'd say that it would be a tie and like it said in the vid, situations could happen where Mario wins or Sonic wins, or even both, besides, Nintendo and Sega teamed up like ages ago and Sonic and Mario are basically buddies now so why yall gotta argue over such a dumb debate, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR WELL OVER 10 YEARS...
No way sonic is faster than eggman
Well Mario has many more different power-ups. sometimes one power is enough. and that is his speed sonic is almost faster than a black hole and remember he had just fought one of eggmans most powerful robobots has no boost energy and even after that he was still faster than light. And the reason Mario could survive that Universe Rebirth was because of Rosalina and the Lumas, not because of Mario himself
Also the only reason why Sonic lost to Galeem in Smash Ultimate was because he slowed down to try to save Pikachu
@@REI0o0o0 I always find it annoying when people talk about who is stronger Mario or Sonic. I'm both a Mario and Sonic fan, but Mario has better games, you can argue about that. But Sonic is just stronger. people just argue for the sake of arguing
If Paris 2024 olympic games comes out this year, then it proves that there are no rival between them
Smash isnt canon. The fire ball is just a reference to fire Mario. P.s. Mario's true weakness is losing his brother
Both Mario and Sonic are strong in their own ways, and depending on how the situation works, it could go either way. But the CORRECT answer to this age old question would be that the two of them become friends, as it’s also the most realistic outcome of this whole debate. Mario and Sonic wouldn’t even fight at all, because it’s not who they really are. Sure, they can get competitive, but if a fight were to break out, it would be far more along the lines of a sparring match between friends, with laughs, smirks and such.
MARIO IS KING!!!
ngl if there was a sonic vs mario paper mario would have a better chance at winning
outside of smash Bros, you havent played the spin offs and other games he has special attacks in
"Mario can just capture sonic and drown him in the ocean."
Sonic: *Parries*
Mario fans:this isnt how your supposed to play the game
Why can't we all agree that they're better togther? Playing Olympic Games and maybe teaming up in a Mario & Luigi RPG Game?
Also you forgot to mention mario defeated dimentio who was going to end the cosmology (universe, dimensions basically the structures in mario) that get mario higher than multiversal. Mario also has a ability that allows him to not die (Save and Load block) it can make maro go back in time or helps mario to restart an battle or a mission. Not game mechanic since it's been narratively stated in the story of the rpg games themselves.
@@neoncobalt1779LOL WE CAN RUN THAT.
@@neoncobalt1779Pure hearts only nullified super dimentio's invulnerability and healed Mario's party.
@@neoncobalt1779Plus mario has destiny manipulation and fate manipulation, due to tippi saying the heroes can choose their destiny and fate.
@@neoncobalt1779think? It's the truth, I could give you the scans on discord.
sonic had to fight solaris which is multiversal and stated to eat timelines
I think Mario and sonic are best buddies. They both beat the bad guy every time, they’re both incredibly powerful, they have a sidekick in Luigi and tails, and they both love eating extremely unhealthy but delicious food.
the most competitive thing they would do is the Olympics. also it's very obviously a tie
1. Mario and paper are not the same being
2. Mario cant survive a blackhole and supernova
3. Mario can't realistically lift a castle
4. The star power/white tanooki leaf/ white cat bell is not invincible against a large pool of lava
And a Groupe of fuzzles in super Mario 3d world Starman too
1- these are the same confirmed by miyamoto.
2- he can
3- explain
4- Game mechanic
Get better arguments
@@ipaxlosexd
1. Then What's the point of these two been separated in paper jam
2. He can't
3. The one cutscenes Mario mopped the castle to disappear
4. Everything in a game is a game mechanic, that's not a good point
@@ohosmandivine6770 1-still the same
2-he literally survive It on Mario galaxy wym??
3-what
4- things like that are Game mechanics
@@ipaxlosexd
1. You just prove my point right
2. Did you even play the game? The black holes in every level one shot Mario if he gets to close to it's orbit or fall off a platform his standing
3. It's one of the cutscenes of super Mario world
4. Again everything in a game is a game mechanic. The power ups, the enemies, the moving platforms, the boss fights everything including the starman not invincible in large pool lava
It's like this from 2d to 3d, Nintendo devs know what there doing.
Let’s be honest Kirby solos
no
@@RealSuperStar_SonicSpeed sorry to say that but yeah he does
@@darthtyranus787 he can't keep up
even if Kirby is immeasurable speed, read my comment it literally explains it
And he defeated Eggman who has an IQ of 300
death battle peak mentioned
The idea of Mario and Sonic fighting is ridiculous. You can make very easy claims for why both of them easily win.
Obviously I'm saying Mario wins. Obviously a Sonic fan says Sonic wins.
At the end of the day, Mario and Sonic stop at nothing to win and save the day in their games. That's why a battle like this is hard to objectify. They're both videogame protagonists that never lose.
I always felt it's much more fun to imagine them as friends with a friendly rivalry.
They ARE friendly rivals. It's been established like that for years, even before the Olympic game series.
guys i think kirby wins
I love my bois in red, white and blue. Why can't we love them together? Mario and Sonic, you will always be loved equally in my heart.
If items aren’t allowed I’m pretty sure sonic would win 60%
If items are allowed though Mario would probably most definitely win against sonic
I think Sonic will win with the thing this video forgets is that he’s fast. He’s not just gonna let himself be hit by cappy. Rings are a gameplay gimmick for the games. 50 rings is also just the minimum amount of rings needed as forces has long bosses if you count the time in between cutscenes. If you want to count gimmicks then SS is better because he is constantly able to survive walking on lava while lava in Mario is usually an instant kill giving SS more invulnerability. Mario surviving the birth of a universe is dumb because he survives ALONGSIDE EVERYONE ELSE! Except for maybe the Lumas but the noise they make is the same as the hungry Lumas who are willingly reborn into new galaxies and Mario says so himself in one of his few spoken sentences. So they didn’t die from some danger, they died to save Mario from some danger.