“To hold in my hand, a capsule that contained such power... To know that life and death on such a scale was my choice... To know that the tiny pressure of my thumb - enough to break the glass - would end everything... Yes! I would do it! That power would set me up above the gods! AND THROUGH THE DALEKS, I SHALL HAVE THAT POWER!” Now *THATS* one of the most iconic Villain moments in Doctor Who history
Ecclestone's Doctor actually mentioned Davros in all but name in the first dalek episode of new Who, claiming they were engineered 'by a genius, by a man who was king of his own little world'.
Baker really isn't as light hearted as his reputation suggest until season 15 (his fourth). For the first three years of his era the scripting, production and his performance was more adult and serious. This eventually led to complaints about traumatizing kids and so the show was lightened up. NEVERTHELESS he is often very funny and sharp, doing silly things like ordering ginger beer in a pub etc, but it's not what I'd call 'goofy'.
"Dragon Ball. 2 minutes of script and 28 minutes of screaming." What a brilliant line haha. Great to have your Dad join the team for a bit, it's been great. Look forward to his return one day.
In 1998 Doctor Who Magazine readers voted it the best Doctor Who story of all time. In 2009 it came 3rd with The Caves of Androzani (5th Doctor story which is also often called the best) winning and Blink being second In 2014 it also came third with Blink second Caves came 4th
I have the BBC audio cassette version of Genesis Of The Daleks that I bought back in 1993 at Dymocks city store that is paired with the Colin Baker radio story Slipback, a story which even has its own Target novel. Just by listening to the cassette tape narrated by Tom Baker himself on the old AKAI stereo system/tape deck in the loungeroom, I judged it to be the best Tom Baker story of all time right there and then because I was so impressed with the dialogue since I was more mature to understand it compared with when I last saw it back in 1987, and the BBC audio cassette version is well cut down compared with the complete screenplay of all six episodes. But to say it's the best Doctor Who story of all time is drawing a longbow. In regards to my personal view on the best way to obtain the greatest episode of all time would be to package An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, Edge Of Destruction and Marco Polo together. But that would be cheating.
Effects on the lore : This story is one which sends ripples outwards & is still references & effects stories to this day Russell T Davies believes that the Time Lords seeing that the Daleks will one day have total control of the Universe & and so send the Doctor back to stop them is the first act in what will lead to the Time War. Many fans also believe this too. In some books the Dalek which kills Davros becomes the Dalek emperor. Big Finish did a prequel series to this about Davros life before Genesis called “I,Davros” & it’s so dark and twisted & the first dalek is actually a Thal spy who is played by current Dalek voice actor Nicholas Briggs Speaking of Big Finish we learn that the time lord who talks to 4 was send by Narvin a big character in the Gallifrey series who works for the CIA Celestial Intervention Agency on Gallifrey which protect The Web of Time but due to the Time Lords rule of non-interference they are more FBI
@@iain9757 It is a duel role. The Gallifreyan CIA more has both the FBI roles and CIA roles. It mostly deals with events that affect the Timelords, both external threats, like the Daleks. It later takes over dealing with internal threats, like the Doctor's actions in The Invasion Of Time, where he lets the Vardans invade Gallifrey. That leads to the Sontarans invading as well in the same story.
The TARDIS has a function that prevents the TARDIS landing if it senses the area is unsafe this is to prevent any of the Time Lords Enemies for eg DALEKS from getting their hands on a TARDIS. 9 explained this to Rose via hologram recording before Rose Turns into Bad Wolf it was also explained in Classic but I can not remember when
I've long regarded this story as being the opening round of the Time War; by trying to stop the Daleks' creation the Time Lords effectively fired the 'first shot', and thereafter the Daleks would feel perfectly justified in fighting back. Not that they'd really need it, but it all started here...
A few random things: -Davros is played by Michael Wisher, who you saw as Farrel in _Terror of the Autons._ He has also done Dalek voices. -In the Big Finish audio plays, we learn that Davros was crippled by a Thal bomb, and that's sort of what made him so unstable (although he was already pretty ruthless, to begin with). -The audio plays are slightly at odds with this episode: in _Genesis of the Daleks,_ we're told that Davros grew the Dalek mutants from just a few cells, but in the audio plays, he makes them by surgically and genetically altering Kaled infants. -Re: Daleks in colour: these Daleks are a different design to the original episode. The original ones actually _were_ silver, with light-blue spheres on their skirting.
The Daleks in the 1st Doctor story were indeed silver (with blue bumps on their lower portion). This darker colourscheme was more recent, along with the slats that your Dad noticed (I believe that they were supposed to be solar collectors, liberating the Daleks from their dependency on static electricity delivered through the floor) - I'm not sure that any reason was ever given for not converting the props back to their earlier appearance, as would be appropriate (some of these Daleks are still the original props from the first story, merely modified over the years). You'll find that "Kinda" isn't pronounced how you appear to think also ^_~
This story predates Star Wars, the Empire ripped off the Kaleds. This was Tom Baker's first season. When the Time Lords picked them up for the mission it was while they were on an abandoned future Earth mid-transportation back to the spaceship they landed the TARDIS on in the story before that, so they grabbed them while they were already apart from the TARDIS. Most of the rest of this is never onscreen, so you don't have to accept it as Gospel if you don't want to. One theory I accept is that the Daleks in their first story are the Kaled survivors cut off in their city who naturally mutated into Daleks over time and took to using the prototype travel units that only run on static, the bars on them your father referred to are solar panels that allow them to operate without static. This origin is why they aren't as racially motivated as all the other space-faring Daleks that would be descended from the ones Davros creates in the Mk. IIIs. Also, the Time Lords who send Four on this mission are actually a covert group called the Celestial Intervention Agency (the Second Doctor used to work for them between his trial and regeneration) that is breaking one of the major Laws of Time by travelling to Gallifrey's relative past and attempting to get a version of the Doctor from earlier in their perspective to avert the Dalek's existence, major no-no. The reason they did this was because of the War in Heaven which temporarily deletes Gallifrey from existence, in which time the Daleks become the dominant universal power and upon Gallifrey's restoration the two are perfectly poised for the start of the Last Great Time War, and also toss in that before the War in Heaven the Seventh Doctor blew up Skaro, so yeah they were ready to throw down. (The War in Heaven unfolds in the Eighth Doctor novels that ran before NuWho. Aspects of it certainly inspired RTD in creating the LGTW, but he has confirmed that they are not intended to be the same). Also I believe that the Doctor and Daleks are constant functions of the universe that course-correct the universal balance of Structure and Chaos as agents of the White and Black Guardians but that's a conversation for another day. Oh and Batman can still go down for manslaughter for that al Ghul shit.
The series Allo Allo was a sitcom parody of the so-serious Secret Army. It ran for longer than the French Occupation, and is better known than the series it parodied. One of the Germans in Allo Allo was played by Guy Siner (Ravon in this serial).
I'm a bit late with this post, but the actor playing Hitler's Jewish neighbour in that pilot was Gareth Marks, who played the racist American police officer in Jodie Whittaker's Doctor Who episode "Rosa".
This story is brilliant. The reason I believe Tom Baker was the most successful Doctor is due to him being so eccentric, charismatic and very alien. He gained the highest ratings in the UK with 16 million for a story called The City of Death which was my introduction to Doctor Who. He was also the longest running Doctor as he stayed there for 7 years. Michael Wisher was superb playing Davros. I like the story your Dad told about the Rocky Horror Show. I've always thought Richard 0'Brien would have made a good Dr. The Doctors ethical speech about killing is legendary and I love that scene at the end when he gives the speech whilst their all floating in space as it always sends a shiver down my spine. I would recommend you watch the 4th Dr's stories Seeds of Doom, Pyramids of Mars, Terror of the Zygons and The City of Death as you'll see more humour and eccentricity from the Dr in those stories. The other story that fans say is the best is The Caves of Androzani, the 5th Dr's last story. voted number one story by the Doctor Who magazine readers. Great reactions. Looking forward to seeing your future reactions.
Notes : I think the Mutos were also people who were mutated because of the radiation who were casted out from the city’s because they can’t work now I think Davros implies that all those creatures were his experiments The Thals appeared in a 3rd Doctor story Planet of the Daleks where thousands of years after the events of “The Dalek” they’ve got a new planet and this team is on a mission to stop a planet full of Daleks with help from 3 and Jo Every time the Doctor encounters the Daleks this “do I have the right” question always comes back up because... should he ? “Has the doctor changed the time line” that’s still discussed to this day The Clam ... yeh that’s probably the biggest problem thing in this story No idea on the year but Davros is a Pensioner in this story Tom Baker is the tallest doctor at 1.91 meters Both Hartnell and Troughten were 1.73 meters The New Who Daleks are 1.65 meters tall as they wanted the eye stalk to line up with Billie Pipers face I’m not sure about the Classic Daleks but I don’t think there’s that much of a difference, know the 60s one are a bit smaller
Talking of links between Doctor Who and stage musicals, in 1989 Jon Pertwee played The Doctor in a stage musical version of Doctor Who. It was titled The Ultimate Adventure. I got to see it at the Wimbledon Theatre that year. After a time Jon was replaced by Colin Baker who was the 6th regeneration of the Doctor on TV. The musical had Daleks and Cybermen in it, but sadly none of them sang. I'd love to see it revived.
Ravon (the young Kaled Guard) is played by Guy Siner. He has the distinction of being only one of about 20 odd actors to have appeared in both Doctor Who & Star Trek franchises (Enterprise). His sci fi bonifides go further than that though as he appeared in an epsiode of *Babylon 5* and has done voice roles in a number of Star Wars video games! However he is best known for his role in the 80s UK comedy *"Allo "Allo* as Lieutenant Hubert Gruber, a rather effeminate WWII German Armoured Car commander! If your Dad likes *Hogan's Heroes* (as I do) he'll probably love the slapstick humour of *'Allo 'Allo*!
Genesis of the Daleks features another recurring cast member of 'Allo 'Allo, namely Hilary Minster. He played General von Klinkerhoffen in that series, and plays the sadistic Thal guard who threatens to drop Sarah as she's dangling from his hand in the rocket silo.
@@OlagGan Correct. Oddly enough, I recently commented on a different Doctor Who TH-cam clip wondering whether Hilary Minster was the only speaking actor to play a Thal twice.
Michael Wisher Who played Davros Had voiced The Daleks in previous Stories but in this it was Roy Skelton Who voiced the original Cybermen in (The Tenth Planet) 1966 and played The Daleks in more classic stories then any other actor He was in Evil of The Daleks (1967) Planet of the Daleks (1973) Genesis of the Daleks (1975) Destiny of the Daleks (1979) The Five Doctors (1983) Revelation of the Daleks (1985) Rememberance of the Daleks (1988) And He voiced them in the Doctor Who comic relief special The curse of fatal death (1999) They where using deferent Dalek props from the 60s due to the originals falling apart.
That is true, but the original props were still being used all the way up to the mid-1980s. It wasn't until the Seventh Doctor's era that the BBC actually decided to create some brand new fibreglass Daleks to replace the old ones.
It's been a while since I've watched Genesis of the Daleks, I genuinely forgot about some of the things in this like those damn clams. Anyway, it's always a treat when we get to watch some classic who reactions, there's hardly any, and you and your dad make a great pair for it! Saying that, when do you next plan to return to classic who and what are you planning on watching? Sorry if you've already mentioned this somewhere before I have a terrible memory much like you do, by your own admission haha! EDIT: Never mind me, I'm dumb as hell and didn't watch all the way to the end. Ignore me!
The Time War was never mentioned in the Classic series but as others have said, this is considered to be the first 'shot' in the Time War. It slowly ramps up as big wars tend to do. In a later Classic Who story the Daleks attempt an attack on the Time Lord High Council. It's bubbling under the surface, though they had no great plan at the time but RTD picked up the hanging threads.
on the DVD extras for The Genesis of the Daleks, they say that the actor playing Davros rehearsed with a paper bag over his head to get used to not using his face, only his voice.
There is a brilliant Big Finish audio with some of the original actors providing their voices that explains the backstory of Davros. IMHO, it is one of the best Big Finish audios (the other being Spare Parts, which would be great to listen to as it may provide better context for future stories and is also just a great listen). It is called simply I, Davros. I highly recommend it as it fleshes out Genesis and has great production quality too. Cheers
This story was written before the personality of Tom Baker was well known, which resulted in quite generic dialogue. The only other story in which the fourth Doctor is as serious as this is The Pyramids of Mars, in which he is relentlessly stern and humourless. The TARDIS isn’t involved in Genesis of the Daleks because the story follows on directly from the previous one in which the lead characters were separated from the ship. The Daleks were always five feet tall in the classic series, except in the Dalek Invasion of Earth, in which they gained about eight inches, thanks to an enlarged fender section. No, this isn’t really the best-ever Who story, although it’s highly rated as part of the classic stories, along with stories like The Talons of Weng Chiang and The Caves of Androzani (the latter of which would get my vote). It’s really tempting to over-hype a beloved story to new viewers, but when expectations are raised too high, this usually leads to some degree of disappointment, so we should try not to do it. One of the interesting developments from this story is that Big Finish took it and ran with it: They made it known that, when the Daleks later found out about this pre-emptive strike against their origins by the Timelords, it led to The Time War.
The reason he didn't have the Tardis is because in the previous story (The Sontaran Experiment) they were on a deserted Earth far into the future, they used a transmat beam from an orbiting space station to get there. So at the end of the story, they used the transmat beam to go back to the space station where the Tardis was at, but the Time Lords intercepted the beam and sent them to Skaro. Hince the need for the time ring
Though Tom Baker is my favourite Doctor, I tend to be more of a fan of his later seasons, which focus more on the science fiction aspects of the show than most stories in his earlier seasons, which have a lot of Gothic horror elements inspired by old horror films. Of course, Genesis is an exception, since most of Season 12 was planned by the previous producer Barry Letts. By Season 14 the more comic side of him comes into play and from that point onwards I think you'll like him a lot more, since we get more Troughton-esque aspects but with Tom's own unique take on them.
@@ElectroTherapyFTSoul I also quite like Season 18, especially The Keeper of Traken, but my favourite season would have to be Season 16 (which is currently celebrating its 40th anniversary!) because of stories like The Pirate Planet and The Androids of Tara.
Yes to be evil you must have concept of good and evil and CHOOSE to be evil. The most important aspect of being good or evil is the exercising of free will with the knowledge of those concepts. On Dalek's being superior, it is more about their lack of human weaknesses such as emotion and empathy as much as their military capability.
This story was of course before the Daleks were able to hover (not until season 25) and in Tom Baker's next Dalek story he states "if your suppose to be the superior race of the universe, why don't you try climbing after us." Love that line.
I had a dream once where the Doctor was protecting a young scientist who he encountered on a dangerous planet, only for him to be revealed to be a young Davros.
The Daleks are the same size, but both Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee were taller than William Hartnell so they really seemed to tower over the Daleks. The Daleks were taller in later Doctor stories though. And they were also taller in the earlier William Hartnell story "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" for in that one, the Daleks had bigger bumpers which made them taller.
Thank you Iain 97 (comment below) for quoting that whole iconic monologue which did so much to establish Davros’s character. It is one of many reasons this story is a favourite of so many fans. I don’t know if the ‘evil’ of Davros, and therefore of the daleks, is one-dimensional, but that speech is certainly monomaniacal! This was part of classic Who’s most amazing run and I was lucky enough to be 8 years old when it was first shown. Tom Baker’s first series also has Pyramids of Mars which for me, despite its Hammer-style kitschiness (or because of it!), has equal status with GotD.
To answer your question about the time ring would involve spoilers for the two story’s before this, and the Tardis isn’t back till the end of the next.
The problem with Genesis of the Daleks is that after one of the most memorable openings of any Doctor Who story, it then rapidly descends into running around studio corridors.
"Or the Empire", fun reference, but I also find it fun to think about the fact that Star Wars hadn't even happened yet...what a strange world that must have been 😂
you are not missing any story arc as each story was an individual story in its on right the story arc came in with New Who - and this was the first season of Tom Baker
Lol. That would be Kin da, like, "people to whom you are related". Not Kind er, like, "Sort of, I guess." Although it is a pun I enjoy having fun with. Also, the distinction in the destruction of the incubation room is clear and important. When he goes back, he knows destroying the creatures in there does not mean genocide, but will simply set the Daleks back. It is the total destruction of the species he can't make himself go through with.
Great reaction! ..It’s interesting you point out the supposed ‘supreme beings’ retaining a design weakness that limits their prowess. I like how they alluded to in this episode the Kaleds lack of resources, which would hinder production of a sleeker and less tank like design and lead to the Daleks viewing themselves to be perfect despite these inherent flaws.
Genesis is far from the best serial. It's the most-repeated story; if anyone has seen classic Who, chances are it's this story and maybe only this. So you do a poll, it's going to be the one people mention the most. And due in part to its pervasiveness, it has had long-term impact on the show's continuity, so it's surely one of the most important. But on its own merits, ih. It's not even the best Dalek story (Remembrance) or the best story from its season. Very important, though. Like, this is a touchstone story. To my view the best story may be Troughton's finale, The War Games. But regardless, don't get discouraged. The show gets much weirder. And weird is good.
I'm finally getting around to watching this!!!! Also depends on who you're asking obviously but this isn't my personal favourite classic who story, it's certainly up there, but there's another that has also been voted number 1 in several places that is my personal favourite. (Actually this is only my second favourite Tom Baker story too)
This is great. I remember watching Genesis of the Daleks with my Dad back when I got it on VHS in 1991 (Ugh, I'm old!) and it was great fun. Although my Dad was far more critical!!!
The no tardis saga goes from ark in space to revenge of the cybermen (both those stories take place in same location) and they just teleport to check for the story after ark then this one they get transported here when the time lords hi jack their teleport back and then they get back to the tardis after
Enjoyed your reaction. As always your Dad is a star - you need to keep him on with regular guest spots! I readily acknowledge this stories greatness - it deserves all the accolades it gets & is rightly considered among the great stories of Doctor Who. For me though I've always found a story to be one to respect rather than like or love. I would much rather watch "Pyramids of Mars" or "Robots of Death" or "Horror of Fang Rock".
This story did retcon the history of Skaro a bit. In the original Dalek story we are lead to believe that the two races were the Thals and the Dals. Here it is the Thals and the Kaleds (that could just be a trick of language - Afterall we have a different name for Germans than they have for themselves don't we?) The suggestion in that story is that the Dals are the restult of radioactive mutation... But here Darvos genetically engineers the Kaleds into creatures that can survive the radiation. This does make some sense if you view the characters in the original Dalek story as just guessing. Here, if the Doctor is right about setting them back 1000 years, then he must have changed his original encounter with the Daleks because that is set only 500 years after the atomic war? Unless they were wrong about that too? Or it's a different atomic war?
Also, next time you get around to Classic Who, react to Remembrance of the Daleks. It is one of the best, if not the best, of 80s Who and serves thematically as a bridge between Genesis and Modern Who. Also the first outing of one of the best companions and a much faster tighter pace. Almost a template for the 2005+ relaunch.
@@fortyfive4840 Remembrance to me is the most complete of all of the 7th Doctors stories. Storywise, companions, Doctor moments, production, even the music (for the 80s). I would go into more but no spoilers obviously. I enjoy Happiness Patrol more, and its message. Also, a tidbit on Remembrance that isn't too spoilery: The script was the first by that writer to be produced on screen. As such he wasn't aware that it was uncommon for it to be adapted with no edits and all of his action scenes filmed as written. The BBC even agreed to go overbudget to produce it, at a time when Who had been placed on reduced budgets. That is how much love this story got.
Do you know what you're reacting to for the 5th Doctor? I'm still watching your reaction and idk if you say at the end. I'd recommend The Caves Of Androzani
Guy Siner who played in this Story would go and play a camp Nazi in 'Allo 'Allo!. The Daleks in this should have been painted silver but they didn't get round to it. The TARDIS was in a spaceship from The Ark In Space and the Doctor and Gang had gone to Earth in the previous story and the start of this the Time Lords had taken them out of the transmat as they were heading back to the TARDIS. The gang get the TARDIS back in the following story.
Okay with that intro, I am now stuck seeing Harry and Sarah Jane as Brad and Janet in my brain, and I blame your dad for it. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ...
Personally, I think Tom Baker's 1st season was really strong, possibly his strongest. You won't go wrong watching almost any of those stories. Genesis of the Daleks was the best of that season in my opinion. However, most of that season very connected one to the other. Tom Baker started to be a little more lighthearted in his 4th season but really started to go over the top in his 6th season. The mutos may have been the creatures in the different parts of Skaro 🤔. While the Thals mutated all the way back around to their original form, and the Kaleds (anagrams) stopped mutating because of Davros's interference. To backtrack a little, Sidney Newman who was hired from ABC in America by the BBC to help with a kids show. He was the one who came up with the idea of the show that there ".. were to be no bug-eyed monsters in this series" as he thought they were a cliche (Invaders from Mars, The Fly, etc.). Verity Lambert, a floor manager/ producer who he put on Who (another milestone for doctor who) liked Terry Nation's concept and snuck the Daleks in regardless of the fact that they were the definition of bug-eyed monsters. According to surviving members of the serial, Sydney was very upset but Verity said something to the effect of "well... what's done is done" *For an Easter egg, in Human Nature or Family of Blood, (where the Doctor's time lord essents is locked in a fob watch) as he's walking up a hill with the school nurse/ love interest to adjust a scarecrow he remarks to that his parents names were Sydney and Verity.
Great reaction and a great discussion at the end. Genesis is a great story, but like you I'm not so sure it's the greatest ever. There's a couple in classic Who and a fair few in modern Who I consider better. It's in the top 10 for sure though. Out of all the classic Doctors you've seen so far, who's the best in your opinion? Anyway, back to modern Who now with series 4, which I'm very much looking forward to! The best series of modern Who imo, it's going to be fantastic.
I'd say Throughton was my favorite Doctor because of how fun he was. That said, everyone says Tom Baker is a template for modern doctors so I'm really looking forward to more of him. Pertwee and Hartnell are great but the others are more like what I'm used to.
@@7thHourFilms Tom Baker played his Doctor fairly straight in his first three years in the role. This was because Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes, who were the producer and script editor at the time, wanted Doctor Who to be slightly more mature and darker in tone. A lot of inspiration was taken from hammer horror around this time. It's not until Hinchcliffe and Holmes leave at the end of Tom's third season and Graham Willams becomes producer that Tom lightens up. If you want an example of how fun Tom Baker could be as the Doctor I suggest watching "City of Death". My favourite classic Who story. With all that said, Tom Baker is definitely the most iconic and popular of all the classic Doctors and sits just below David Tennant as the most popular overall. It would be awesome to see more reactions to some fourth Doctor stories from you some time in the future.
@@Mrazmatmahmood Totally agree with you. City of Death is nothing less than adorable (as is Romana II). I loved it when I saw it on its original transmission,and have grown to love it even more since :) According to his reaction list,his next 4th Doctor story (which won't be for a few months yet) will be Deadly Assassin. I also agree with you on this story not being the absolute best. Iconic,yes...but not the best. That's the problem with placing the bar so high - a first-time viewer will probably end up somewhat disappointed.
@@iansmith4023 Oh, The Deadly Assassin. One of the few supposedly classic Tom Baker stories that didn't live up to the hype for me. I look forward to see what Alex makes of it though. It's certainly a very interesting story.
@@Mrazmatmahmood I only saw it for the first time this year,on the Twitch marathon. I'd been reluctant to watch it because of all the advanced hype ("it's the best story ever!!" etc). I watched it,and thought "yeah..sort of ok. Prefer City of Death, though".
"Best Doctor Who ever"? Eh... nah. A very good one, though, and i'd certainly say that it's Terry Nation's best script for the series. I do agree with Richard's point about the use of the word "evil": i don't really like those kinds of good vs evil binary terms myself, especially applying a word with a moral connotation to the Daleks who are essentially amoral. That said, Nation was writing this stuff from the point of view of the generation who'd gone through WWII, and so we get all the trappings of the evils of Nazism in the Daleks - even down to "extermination". I loved the 'Rocky Horror' anecdote. Don't anyone go back in time and stop Sandy from introducing people to Rocky and Who: that has to remain a fixed point in time.
The Daleks may have problems with sight but can you swivel your head 360 degrees? The real cheat is they rarely swivel round to look behind them.....guess its never in the scripts....lol!
Kinda is a superb one, and very odd. It's kind of a grower, though. Like, I didn't enjoy it at all the first time I saw it. It wasn't until I saw it in context that I wrapped my head around what it was doing and how different it was. So, I mean. Excellent serial; maybe not the most ideal place to jump in blind? Davison's run is hard, as they're mostly album tracks rather than singles, if you follow. The stories tend to lean on each other rather than stand out. Even his premiere follows on immediately from Tom Baker's finale. Caves of Androzani is great, but also Davison' s finale. And 80% of the reason it's great, you only really pick up on when you see it after everything else his Doctor has gone through. Otherwise, you kind of get a Genesis reaction. "Well, that was... a bit grim. Huh. That was the best, was it?" Man, looking at it now, this is tough. What serial do you even pull out? His best serial, I think, is Enlightenment, but that's the third part of a trilogy. The first part of that trilogy, The Mawdryn Undead, is pretty good, and in a sense works as an on-boarding point since it introduces a new companion. But... it's also a weird one, tonally and structurally. Yeah, I guess it might as well be Kinda, on reflection. Just know that it's like listening to one random track from a Pink Floyd album without any sense of what it's there for.
I guess this means you are ruling out *Warriors of the Deep* ;-) Good analysis - *Kinda* or *Earthshock* would be the two I would go for although I think you could just about get away with *Castrovalva* as it is a regeneration story which means you can just about ignore *Keeper of Traken* & *Logopolis* and treat it as a stand alone.
Hmm. The idea of the "best ever" episode is kind of subjective. While this might well be the best episode for some fans, others might favor something else. Doctor Who Magazine has periodically done a ranking of every Doctor Who story by aggregating the votes of a huge number of fans. In the first such ranking Genesis did indeed come in first, while in the second such ranking years later the top ranked story was the Fifth Doctor's Caves of Androzani and the third time they did a ranking a modern Who story came out on top. Genesis does consistently get ranked near the top, however. The scene where Davros contemplates the Doctor's theoretical virus, "To know that the slightest pressure of my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything. Yes! I would do it! " and the scene where the Doctor wrestles with the morality of destroying the Daleks are what elevate this to such a high level of popularity. And of course, the giant clams (I think one of those clams eventually made its way to Earth and the Joker subsequently tried to feed Batman and Robin to it in the 1966 television series)
Random thoughts Genesis of the Daleks is in one of my favourite TV trailers th-cam.com/video/_FuJBt2Jmtc/w-d-xo.html Funny how you’ve watched 5 and in 4 The Doctor wasn’t the only Gallifreyian - how do you feel about that ? That cliffhanger with Sarah falling is so shocking, when I was Genesis for the first time I was shocked by that even know I knew she was ok Just imagine waiting a whole week for that
7th Hour Films I don’t know if anyone’s said this but the first Doctor was actually the first to have a Time Lord adversary In the story The Time Meddler we meet The Meddling Monk who just wants to change history, no for any malicious reason - just because he things it should have happened that way he’s only appeared twice and the other story he’s in “The Daleks Master Plan” is mostly all missing Know like many villains has a good scattering in the books & audios
Hey, perhaps before you watch an episode of doctor who, it would be an original idea to watch the next time trailer for each episode, after you watch the trailer, you move on to the actual episode.
7th Hour Films One of the 50th anniversary and series 11 trailers are very non-spoilery as with many classic episodes. It's only really Series 1-10 (modern) that spoil things
I guess it must have been hard for you to put this in it's proper context given you had seen so little classic Who until this point. Expecting fun should have been the last thing expected given the seriousness of the subject and the previous history with the Daleks. It deserved to be a real serious storyline and a one off if you like. The 4th Doctor knew what he was facing and his usual good humoured nature had to be cast aside. It might not be the best as in rip roaring fun but for a topic matter it was a pivotal moment in Doctor Who history when it was shown on TV. I was transfixed to the screen as a wee boy. Finally, please stop calling Davros "Dav-rose" it is so annoying when the correct pronounciation is repeated endlessly. :)
“To hold in my hand, a capsule that contained such power... To know that life and death on such a scale was my choice... To know that the tiny pressure of my thumb - enough to break the glass - would end everything... Yes! I would do it! That power would set me up above the gods! AND THROUGH THE DALEKS, I SHALL HAVE THAT POWER!”
Now *THATS* one of the most iconic Villain moments in Doctor Who history
That and "Do I have the right?" are the two reasons a lot of people put this so high on their lists.
Ecclestone's Doctor actually mentioned Davros in all but name in the first dalek episode of new Who, claiming they were engineered 'by a genius, by a man who was king of his own little world'.
Baker really isn't as light hearted as his reputation suggest until season 15 (his fourth). For the first three years of his era the scripting, production and his performance was more adult and serious. This eventually led to complaints about traumatizing kids and so the show was lightened up. NEVERTHELESS he is often very funny and sharp, doing silly things like ordering ginger beer in a pub etc, but it's not what I'd call 'goofy'.
"Dragon Ball. 2 minutes of script and 28 minutes of screaming." What a brilliant line haha. Great to have your Dad join the team for a bit, it's been great. Look forward to his return one day.
If you want power in DBZ universe.... scream as loud as you can.
This is only Tom Bakers 4th story but it feels like he has been The Doctor for years
By the time you get to watch Terror Of The Zygons, he is a genuine pro.
In 1998 Doctor Who Magazine readers voted it the best Doctor Who story of all time.
In 2009 it came 3rd with The Caves of Androzani (5th Doctor story which is also often called the best) winning and Blink being second
In 2014 it also came third with Blink second Caves came 4th
I have the BBC audio cassette version of Genesis Of The Daleks that I bought back in 1993 at Dymocks city store that is paired with the Colin Baker radio story Slipback, a story which even has its own Target novel. Just by listening to the cassette tape narrated by Tom Baker himself on the old AKAI stereo system/tape deck in the loungeroom, I judged it to be the best Tom Baker story of all time right there and then because I was so impressed with the dialogue since I was more mature to understand it compared with when I last saw it back in 1987, and the BBC audio cassette version is well cut down compared with the complete screenplay of all six episodes. But to say it's the best Doctor Who story of all time is drawing a longbow. In regards to my personal view on the best way to obtain the greatest episode of all time would be to package An Unearthly Child, The Daleks, Edge Of Destruction and Marco Polo together. But that would be cheating.
All 3 are overrated I think.
Effects on the lore :
This story is one which sends ripples outwards & is still references & effects stories to this day
Russell T Davies believes that the Time Lords seeing that the Daleks will one day have total control of the Universe & and so send the Doctor back to stop them is the first act in what will lead to the Time War.
Many fans also believe this too.
In some books the Dalek which kills Davros becomes the Dalek emperor.
Big Finish did a prequel series to this about Davros life before Genesis called “I,Davros” & it’s so dark and twisted & the first dalek is actually a Thal spy who is played by current Dalek voice actor Nicholas Briggs
Speaking of Big Finish we learn that the time lord who talks to 4 was send by Narvin a big character in the Gallifrey series who works for the CIA Celestial Intervention Agency on Gallifrey which protect The Web of Time but due to the Time Lords rule of non-interference they are more FBI
I thought CIA actively sending Doctor to destroy Daleks was a reference to USA's CIA and it's...questionable activities around the globe.
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It is.
TheMorlun I dunno what you mean by that as it clearly is I’m just saying the Gallifreyian CIA are more FBI than CIA
@@iain9757 It is a duel role. The Gallifreyan CIA more has both the FBI roles and CIA roles. It mostly deals with events that affect the Timelords, both external threats, like the Daleks. It later takes over dealing with internal threats, like the Doctor's actions in The Invasion Of Time, where he lets the Vardans invade Gallifrey. That leads to the Sontarans invading as well in the same story.
The TARDIS has a function that prevents the TARDIS landing if it senses the area is unsafe this is to prevent any of the Time Lords Enemies for eg DALEKS from getting their hands on a TARDIS. 9 explained this to Rose via hologram recording before Rose Turns into Bad Wolf it was also explained in Classic but I can not remember when
Also this is actually very early on in Tom Baker's first season. The more comedic and whimsical side of his performance comes out quite a lot later.
I've long regarded this story as being the opening round of the Time War; by trying to stop the Daleks' creation the Time Lords effectively fired the 'first shot', and thereafter the Daleks would feel perfectly justified in fighting back. Not that they'd really need it, but it all started here...
A few random things:
-Davros is played by Michael Wisher, who you saw as Farrel in _Terror of the Autons._ He has also done Dalek voices.
-In the Big Finish audio plays, we learn that Davros was crippled by a Thal bomb, and that's sort of what made him so unstable (although he was already pretty ruthless, to begin with).
-The audio plays are slightly at odds with this episode: in _Genesis of the Daleks,_ we're told that Davros grew the Dalek mutants from just a few cells, but in the audio plays, he makes them by surgically and genetically altering Kaled infants.
-Re: Daleks in colour: these Daleks are a different design to the original episode. The original ones actually _were_ silver, with light-blue spheres on their skirting.
Maybe the black paint fell off over time?
The Daleks in the 1st Doctor story were indeed silver (with blue bumps on their lower portion). This darker colourscheme was more recent, along with the slats that your Dad noticed (I believe that they were supposed to be solar collectors, liberating the Daleks from their dependency on static electricity delivered through the floor) - I'm not sure that any reason was ever given for not converting the props back to their earlier appearance, as would be appropriate (some of these Daleks are still the original props from the first story, merely modified over the years).
You'll find that "Kinda" isn't pronounced how you appear to think also ^_~
The first Dalek story was thousands of years after this story. So that's a simple way to explain the colour scheme change.
Best? No. However as a combination of good and important, its up there.
I'd call it one of the most "iconic" eps
It's the best I've watched so far.
This story predates Star Wars, the Empire ripped off the Kaleds. This was Tom Baker's first season. When the Time Lords picked them up for the mission it was while they were on an abandoned future Earth mid-transportation back to the spaceship they landed the TARDIS on in the story before that, so they grabbed them while they were already apart from the TARDIS. Most of the rest of this is never onscreen, so you don't have to accept it as Gospel if you don't want to. One theory I accept is that the Daleks in their first story are the Kaled survivors cut off in their city who naturally mutated into Daleks over time and took to using the prototype travel units that only run on static, the bars on them your father referred to are solar panels that allow them to operate without static. This origin is why they aren't as racially motivated as all the other space-faring Daleks that would be descended from the ones Davros creates in the Mk. IIIs. Also, the Time Lords who send Four on this mission are actually a covert group called the Celestial Intervention Agency (the Second Doctor used to work for them between his trial and regeneration) that is breaking one of the major Laws of Time by travelling to Gallifrey's relative past and attempting to get a version of the Doctor from earlier in their perspective to avert the Dalek's existence, major no-no. The reason they did this was because of the War in Heaven which temporarily deletes Gallifrey from existence, in which time the Daleks become the dominant universal power and upon Gallifrey's restoration the two are perfectly poised for the start of the Last Great Time War, and also toss in that before the War in Heaven the Seventh Doctor blew up Skaro, so yeah they were ready to throw down. (The War in Heaven unfolds in the Eighth Doctor novels that ran before NuWho. Aspects of it certainly inspired RTD in creating the LGTW, but he has confirmed that they are not intended to be the same). Also I believe that the Doctor and Daleks are constant functions of the universe that course-correct the universal balance of Structure and Chaos as agents of the White and Black Guardians but that's a conversation for another day. Oh and Batman can still go down for manslaughter for that al Ghul shit.
If you think a sitcom in a German prison camp was weird... Someone made a pilot for a sitcom based around Hitler, called Heil Honey I'm Home.
The series Allo Allo was a sitcom parody of the so-serious Secret Army. It ran for longer than the French Occupation, and is better known than the series it parodied.
One of the Germans in Allo Allo was played by Guy Siner (Ravon in this serial).
I'm a bit late with this post, but the actor playing Hitler's Jewish neighbour in that pilot was Gareth Marks, who played the racist American police officer in Jodie Whittaker's Doctor Who episode "Rosa".
This story is brilliant. The reason I believe Tom Baker was the most successful Doctor is due to him being so eccentric, charismatic and very alien. He gained the highest ratings in the UK with 16 million for a story called The City of Death which was my introduction to Doctor Who. He was also the longest running Doctor as he stayed there for 7 years. Michael Wisher was superb playing Davros. I like the story your Dad told about the Rocky Horror Show. I've always thought Richard 0'Brien would have made a good Dr. The Doctors ethical speech about killing is legendary and I love that scene at the end when he gives the speech whilst their all floating in space as it always sends a shiver down my spine. I would recommend you watch the 4th Dr's stories Seeds of Doom, Pyramids of Mars, Terror of the Zygons and The City of Death as you'll see more humour and eccentricity from the Dr in those stories. The other story that fans say is the best is The Caves of Androzani, the 5th Dr's last story. voted number one story by the Doctor Who magazine readers. Great reactions. Looking forward to seeing your future reactions.
Davros looks like that because he gotten injured earlier in the war resulting of him being burnt, loosing his legs and his eyes
he has not lost his eyes he just does not use them, In New Who he actually opens them when with the Doctor and his forehead eye is not working
Notes :
I think the Mutos were also people who were mutated because of the radiation who were casted out from the city’s because they can’t work now
I think Davros implies that all those creatures were his experiments
The Thals appeared in a 3rd Doctor story Planet of the Daleks where thousands of years after the events of “The Dalek” they’ve got a new planet and this team is on a mission to stop a planet full of Daleks with help from 3 and Jo
Every time the Doctor encounters the Daleks this “do I have the right” question always comes back up because... should he ?
“Has the doctor changed the time line” that’s still discussed to this day
The Clam ... yeh that’s probably the biggest problem thing in this story
No idea on the year but Davros is a Pensioner in this story
Tom Baker is the tallest doctor at 1.91 meters
Both Hartnell and Troughten were 1.73 meters
The New Who Daleks are 1.65 meters tall as they wanted the eye stalk to line up with Billie Pipers face I’m not sure about the Classic Daleks but I don’t think there’s that much of a difference, know the 60s one are a bit smaller
The clam is such a Terry Nation thing. The script in general feels very 'Nation'y.
Fun fact: As part of the lore (accounting to Russel T Davies), this was the catalyst and origin of the Time War.
Talking of links between Doctor Who and stage musicals, in 1989 Jon Pertwee played The Doctor in a stage musical version of Doctor Who. It was titled The Ultimate Adventure. I got to see it at the Wimbledon Theatre that year. After a time Jon was replaced by Colin Baker who was the 6th regeneration of the Doctor on TV. The musical had Daleks and Cybermen in it, but sadly none of them sang. I'd love to see it revived.
Ravon (the young Kaled Guard) is played by Guy Siner. He has the distinction of being only one of about 20 odd actors to have appeared in both Doctor Who & Star Trek franchises (Enterprise). His sci fi bonifides go further than that though as he appeared in an epsiode of *Babylon 5* and has done voice roles in a number of Star Wars video games! However he is best known for his role in the 80s UK comedy *"Allo "Allo* as Lieutenant Hubert Gruber, a rather effeminate WWII German Armoured Car commander! If your Dad likes *Hogan's Heroes* (as I do) he'll probably love the slapstick humour of *'Allo 'Allo*!
Genesis of the Daleks features another recurring cast member of 'Allo 'Allo, namely Hilary Minster. He played General von Klinkerhoffen in that series, and plays the sadistic Thal guard who threatens to drop Sarah as she's dangling from his hand in the rocket silo.
@@ftumschk And he also played the Thal Soldier Marat in the Planet of the Daleks. He was killed by a Dalek in the series.
@@OlagGan Correct. Oddly enough, I recently commented on a different Doctor Who TH-cam clip wondering whether Hilary Minster was the only speaking actor to play a Thal twice.
Michael Wisher Who played Davros Had voiced The Daleks in previous Stories but in this it was Roy Skelton Who voiced the original Cybermen in (The Tenth Planet) 1966 and played The Daleks in more classic stories then any other actor He was in
Evil of The Daleks (1967)
Planet of the Daleks (1973)
Genesis of the Daleks (1975)
Destiny of the Daleks (1979)
The Five Doctors (1983)
Revelation of the Daleks (1985)
Rememberance of the Daleks (1988)
And He voiced them in the Doctor Who comic relief special
The curse of fatal death (1999)
They where using deferent Dalek props from the 60s due to the originals falling apart.
It's Roy Skelton, not Skeleton. Did auto correct bone you?
Yes
That is true, but the original props were still being used all the way up to the mid-1980s. It wasn't until the Seventh Doctor's era that the BBC actually decided to create some brand new fibreglass Daleks to replace the old ones.
Ah Sarah Jane, you can see why they brought her back for school reunion
It's been a while since I've watched Genesis of the Daleks, I genuinely forgot about some of the things in this like those damn clams. Anyway, it's always a treat when we get to watch some classic who reactions, there's hardly any, and you and your dad make a great pair for it! Saying that, when do you next plan to return to classic who and what are you planning on watching? Sorry if you've already mentioned this somewhere before I have a terrible memory much like you do, by your own admission haha! EDIT: Never mind me, I'm dumb as hell and didn't watch all the way to the end. Ignore me!
If you want classic who reaction Medusa Cascade has been reacting to Doctor Who from the start. She's just got to Spearhead from Space.
The Time War was never mentioned in the Classic series but as others have said, this is considered to be the first 'shot' in the Time War. It slowly ramps up as big wars tend to do. In a later Classic Who story the Daleks attempt an attack on the Time Lord High Council. It's bubbling under the surface, though they had no great plan at the time but RTD picked up the hanging threads.
on the DVD extras for The Genesis of the Daleks, they say that the actor playing Davros rehearsed with a paper bag over his head to get used to not using his face, only his voice.
The Doctor actually uses that yoyo to check the artificial gravity on a spaceship in an earlier episode
That's incredibly clever. Only the Doctor would think of that!
You can tell this is the pre time war Doctor Ecceleston or Tennant wouldn’t think twice about touching the two wires together
Except Eccleston had to make this choice in his finale too, and he didn’t make it. “Coward, any day.”
There is a brilliant Big Finish audio with some of the original actors providing their voices that explains the backstory of Davros. IMHO, it is one of the best Big Finish audios (the other being Spare Parts, which would be great to listen to as it may provide better context for future stories and is also just a great listen). It is called simply I, Davros. I highly recommend it as it fleshes out Genesis and has great production quality too. Cheers
This story was written before the personality of Tom Baker was well known, which resulted in quite generic dialogue. The only other story in which the fourth Doctor is as serious as this is The Pyramids of Mars, in which he is relentlessly stern and humourless. The TARDIS isn’t involved in Genesis of the Daleks because the story follows on directly from the previous one in which the lead characters were separated from the ship. The Daleks were always five feet tall in the classic series, except in the Dalek Invasion of Earth, in which they gained about eight inches, thanks to an enlarged fender section. No, this isn’t really the best-ever Who story, although it’s highly rated as part of the classic stories, along with stories like The Talons of Weng Chiang and The Caves of Androzani (the latter of which would get my vote). It’s really tempting to over-hype a beloved story to new viewers, but when expectations are raised too high, this usually leads to some degree of disappointment, so we should try not to do it. One of the interesting developments from this story is that Big Finish took it and ran with it: They made it known that, when the Daleks later found out about this pre-emptive strike against their origins by the Timelords, it led to The Time War.
The reason he didn't have the Tardis is because in the previous story (The Sontaran Experiment) they were on a deserted Earth far into the future, they used a transmat beam from an orbiting space station to get there. So at the end of the story, they used the transmat beam to go back to the space station where the Tardis was at, but the Time Lords intercepted the beam and sent them to Skaro. Hince the need for the time ring
Though Tom Baker is my favourite Doctor, I tend to be more of a fan of his later seasons, which focus more on the science fiction aspects of the show than most stories in his earlier seasons, which have a lot of Gothic horror elements inspired by old horror films. Of course, Genesis is an exception, since most of Season 12 was planned by the previous producer Barry Letts.
By Season 14 the more comic side of him comes into play and from that point onwards I think you'll like him a lot more, since we get more Troughton-esque aspects but with Tom's own unique take on them.
While I love his earlier horror era like many others (I have a soft spot for old fashioned horror), my favorite season of Tom Baker is his last.
@@ElectroTherapyFTSoul I also quite like Season 18, especially The Keeper of Traken, but my favourite season would have to be Season 16 (which is currently celebrating its 40th anniversary!) because of stories like The Pirate Planet and The Androids of Tara.
aw! I totally love Pirate Planet and Androids of Tara. Quality Who! :-)
even Kroll has its fun moments matey :-)
People think This story is what triggered the Time War
This, and the Seventh Doctor story Remembrance Of The Daleks are definitely the two main reasons for the Time War.
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And 6th Doctor's cloths. It was half the reason for time war.
many regard it as the first shot, yes!
Yes to be evil you must have concept of good and evil and CHOOSE to be evil.
The most important aspect of being good or evil is the exercising of free will with the knowledge of those concepts.
On Dalek's being superior, it is more about their lack of human weaknesses such as emotion and empathy as much as their military capability.
This story was of course before the Daleks were able to hover (not until season 25) and in Tom Baker's next Dalek story he states "if your suppose to be the superior race of the universe, why don't you try climbing after us." Love that line.
I had a dream once where the Doctor was protecting a young scientist who he encountered on a dangerous planet, only for him to be revealed to be a young Davros.
I thought that The Caves of Androzani was considered as the best one.
Amazing reaction.
many consider so
The Daleks are the same size, but both Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee were taller than William Hartnell so they really seemed to tower over the Daleks. The Daleks were taller in later Doctor stories though. And they were also taller in the earlier William Hartnell story "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" for in that one, the Daleks had bigger bumpers which made them taller.
Thank you Iain 97 (comment below) for quoting that whole iconic monologue which did so much to establish Davros’s character. It is one of many reasons this story is a favourite of so many fans. I don’t know if the ‘evil’ of Davros, and therefore of the daleks, is one-dimensional, but that speech is certainly monomaniacal!
This was part of classic Who’s most amazing run and I was lucky enough to be 8 years old when it was first shown. Tom Baker’s first series also has Pyramids of Mars which for me, despite its Hammer-style kitschiness (or because of it!), has equal status with GotD.
To answer your question about the time ring would involve spoilers for the two story’s before this, and the Tardis isn’t back till the end of the next.
The problem with Genesis of the Daleks is that after one of the most memorable openings of any Doctor Who story, it then rapidly descends into running around studio corridors.
"Or the Empire", fun reference, but I also find it fun to think about the fact that Star Wars hadn't even happened yet...what a strange world that must have been 😂
Hogan's Heroes is amazing, and as a kid this was my favorite Doctor Who episode.
you are not missing any story arc as each story was an individual story in its on right the story arc came in with New Who - and this was the first season of Tom Baker
@@fortyfive4840 yes Trial of a Timelord was a whole season so a kinda arc
@@braxious the first one was the key to time season 16
Lol. That would be Kin da, like, "people to whom you are related". Not Kind er, like, "Sort of, I guess." Although it is a pun I enjoy having fun with.
Also, the distinction in the destruction of the incubation room is clear and important. When he goes back, he knows destroying the creatures in there does not mean genocide, but will simply set the Daleks back. It is the total destruction of the species he can't make himself go through with.
Great reaction! ..It’s interesting you point out the supposed ‘supreme beings’ retaining a design weakness that limits their prowess. I like how they alluded to in this episode the Kaleds lack of resources, which would hinder production of a sleeker and less tank like design and lead to the Daleks viewing themselves to be perfect despite these inherent flaws.
Genesis is far from the best serial. It's the most-repeated story; if anyone has seen classic Who, chances are it's this story and maybe only this. So you do a poll, it's going to be the one people mention the most. And due in part to its pervasiveness, it has had long-term impact on the show's continuity, so it's surely one of the most important. But on its own merits, ih. It's not even the best Dalek story (Remembrance) or the best story from its season. Very important, though. Like, this is a touchstone story.
To my view the best story may be Troughton's finale, The War Games. But regardless, don't get discouraged. The show gets much weirder. And weird is good.
I remember one commentary on Doctor Who describing the 2nd thru 4th Doctors as Moe Howard, Bea Arthur in drag and Harpo Marks - so you're not alone.
I think when you rewatch this after going through some naff 3rd doctor dalek stories maybe have a new appreciation for it
Me and my boyfriend like to call Davros "Dave Ross".
I'm finally getting around to watching this!!!! Also depends on who you're asking obviously but this isn't my personal favourite classic who story, it's certainly up there, but there's another that has also been voted number 1 in several places that is my personal favourite. (Actually this is only my second favourite Tom Baker story too)
This is great. I remember watching Genesis of the Daleks with my Dad back when I got it on VHS in 1991 (Ugh, I'm old!) and it was great fun. Although my Dad was far more critical!!!
If you want a Tom Baker story with a good deal more levity, try the City of Death.
or Tom Bakers first ever story, Robot
that was fun! I'm really looking forward to whenever you and yer dad react to the 5th 6th and 7th Doctors! let it be soon! :-)
We'll be back following Series 4 of Modern Doctor Who and don't forget we'll also being doing the 8th Doctor's Movie!
Kinda is an interesting and good choice :-)
Love these episodes with your father. He needs his own podcast or TH-cam channel. What. does he do for a living?
He is a history teacher.
7th Hour Films Nice
The no tardis saga goes from ark in space to revenge of the cybermen (both those stories take place in same location) and they just teleport to check for the story after ark then this one they get transported here when the time lords hi jack their teleport back and then they get back to the tardis after
That’s pretty much the background info you missed going in
Enjoyed your reaction. As always your Dad is a star - you need to keep him on with regular guest spots! I readily acknowledge this stories greatness - it deserves all the accolades it gets & is rightly considered among the great stories of Doctor Who. For me though I've always found a story to be one to respect rather than like or love. I would much rather watch "Pyramids of Mars" or "Robots of Death" or "Horror of Fang Rock".
This story did retcon the history of Skaro a bit. In the original Dalek story we are lead to believe that the two races were the Thals and the Dals. Here it is the Thals and the Kaleds (that could just be a trick of language - Afterall we have a different name for Germans than they have for themselves don't we?) The suggestion in that story is that the Dals are the restult of radioactive mutation... But here Darvos genetically engineers the Kaleds into creatures that can survive the radiation. This does make some sense if you view the characters in the original Dalek story as just guessing.
Here, if the Doctor is right about setting them back 1000 years, then he must have changed his original encounter with the Daleks because that is set only 500 years after the atomic war? Unless they were wrong about that too? Or it's a different atomic war?
this is my favourite dalek story i am glad you are watching it
Also, next time you get around to Classic Who, react to Remembrance of the Daleks. It is one of the best, if not the best, of 80s Who and serves thematically as a bridge between Genesis and Modern Who. Also the first outing of one of the best companions and a much faster tighter pace. Almost a template for the 2005+ relaunch.
We will be doing Remembrance!
@@fortyfive4840 Remembrance to me is the most complete of all of the 7th Doctors stories. Storywise, companions, Doctor moments, production, even the music (for the 80s). I would go into more but no spoilers obviously. I enjoy Happiness Patrol more, and its message.
Also, a tidbit on Remembrance that isn't too spoilery: The script was the first by that writer to be produced on screen. As such he wasn't aware that it was uncommon for it to be adapted with no edits and all of his action scenes filmed as written. The BBC even agreed to go overbudget to produce it, at a time when Who had been placed on reduced budgets. That is how much love this story got.
One of my favourite classic Doctor Who stories! Tom Baker is my favourite doctor too. :)
Do you know what you're reacting to for the 5th Doctor? I'm still watching your reaction and idk if you say at the end.
I'd recommend The Caves Of Androzani
Kinda
7th Hour Films ah really? Pretty good choice (hopefully its the version with updated cgi effects)
Not a fan of Kinda I am afraid @@7thHourFilms
Guy Siner who played in this Story would go and play a camp Nazi in 'Allo 'Allo!. The Daleks in this should have been painted silver but they didn't get round to it. The TARDIS was in a spaceship from The Ark In Space and the Doctor and Gang had gone to Earth in the previous story and the start of this the Time Lords had taken them out of the transmat as they were heading back to the TARDIS. The gang get the TARDIS back in the following story.
New who Daleks can literally grow those weapons out of their armor.
You want to see a goofy Tom Baker in a Dalek story?
Well, that was never going to happen!
🤣
Okay with that intro, I am now stuck seeing Harry and Sarah Jane as Brad and Janet in my brain, and I blame your dad for it. AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ...
Personally, I think Tom Baker's 1st season was really strong, possibly his strongest. You won't go wrong watching almost any of those stories. Genesis of the Daleks was the best of that season in my opinion. However, most of that season very connected one to the other. Tom Baker started to be a little more lighthearted in his 4th season but really started to go over the top in his 6th season. The mutos may have been the creatures in the different parts of Skaro 🤔. While the Thals mutated all the way back around to their original form, and the Kaleds (anagrams) stopped mutating because of Davros's interference.
To backtrack a little, Sidney Newman who was hired from ABC in America by the BBC to help with a kids show. He was the one who came up with the idea of the show that there ".. were to be no bug-eyed monsters in this series" as he thought they were a cliche (Invaders from Mars, The Fly, etc.). Verity Lambert, a floor manager/ producer who he put on Who (another milestone for doctor who) liked Terry Nation's concept and snuck the Daleks in regardless of the fact that they were the definition of bug-eyed monsters. According to surviving members of the serial, Sydney was very upset but Verity said something to the effect of "well... what's done is done"
*For an Easter egg, in Human Nature or Family of Blood, (where the Doctor's time lord essents is locked in a fob watch) as he's walking up a hill with the school nurse/ love interest to adjust a scarecrow he remarks to that his parents names were Sydney and Verity.
The machine casing aren't Daleks, the 'squid thing' as you put it, are the Daleks.
Actually,there wasn`t that much screaming in the first Dragon Ball series.All the ones after however,I get your dad`s point.
I would recommend pyramids of mars for the next Tom Baker story
That Yo-yo isn’t a weapon he just uses it for fun
Yeah. The Doctor never uses weapons. But that would be funny!
Research!
The most popular Doctor Who story is THE CAVES OF ANDROZANI.
Not Genesis.
This is actually Tom's first season which I'm sure people have already informed you, but I can't be bothered to check if people have told you already
Great reaction and a great discussion at the end. Genesis is a great story, but like you I'm not so sure it's the greatest ever. There's a couple in classic Who and a fair few in modern Who I consider better. It's in the top 10 for sure though. Out of all the classic Doctors you've seen so far, who's the best in your opinion? Anyway, back to modern Who now with series 4, which I'm very much looking forward to! The best series of modern Who imo, it's going to be fantastic.
I'd say Throughton was my favorite Doctor because of how fun he was. That said, everyone says Tom Baker is a template for modern doctors so I'm really looking forward to more of him. Pertwee and Hartnell are great but the others are more like what I'm used to.
@@7thHourFilms Tom Baker played his Doctor fairly straight in his first three years in the role. This was because Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes, who were the producer and script editor at the time, wanted Doctor Who to be slightly more mature and darker in tone. A lot of inspiration was taken from hammer horror around this time. It's not until Hinchcliffe and Holmes leave at the end of Tom's third season and Graham Willams becomes producer that Tom lightens up. If you want an example of how fun Tom Baker could be as the Doctor I suggest watching "City of Death". My favourite classic Who story. With all that said, Tom Baker is definitely the most iconic and popular of all the classic Doctors and sits just below David Tennant as the most popular overall. It would be awesome to see more reactions to some fourth Doctor stories from you some time in the future.
@@Mrazmatmahmood Totally agree with you. City of Death is nothing less than adorable (as is Romana II). I loved it when I saw it on its original transmission,and have grown to love it even more since :)
According to his reaction list,his next 4th Doctor story (which won't be for a few months yet) will be Deadly Assassin.
I also agree with you on this story not being the absolute best. Iconic,yes...but not the best. That's the problem with placing the bar so high - a first-time viewer will probably end up somewhat disappointed.
@@iansmith4023 Oh, The Deadly Assassin. One of the few supposedly classic Tom Baker stories that didn't live up to the hype for me. I look forward to see what Alex makes of it though. It's certainly a very interesting story.
@@Mrazmatmahmood I only saw it for the first time this year,on the Twitch marathon. I'd been reluctant to watch it because of all the advanced hype ("it's the best story ever!!" etc).
I watched it,and thought "yeah..sort of ok. Prefer City of Death, though".
"Best Doctor Who ever"? Eh... nah. A very good one, though, and i'd certainly say that it's Terry Nation's best script for the series. I do agree with Richard's point about the use of the word "evil": i don't really like those kinds of good vs evil binary terms myself, especially applying a word with a moral connotation to the Daleks who are essentially amoral. That said, Nation was writing this stuff from the point of view of the generation who'd gone through WWII, and so we get all the trappings of the evils of Nazism in the Daleks - even down to "extermination".
I loved the 'Rocky Horror' anecdote. Don't anyone go back in time and stop Sandy from introducing people to Rocky and Who: that has to remain a fixed point in time.
This.
Personally I think this story is over rated. The War Games and a lot of the Troughton stories I find better
The Daleks may have problems with sight but can you swivel your head 360 degrees? The real cheat is they rarely swivel round to look behind them.....guess its never in the scripts....lol!
The in continuity explanation is given in the previous story....
Kinda is a superb one, and very odd. It's kind of a grower, though. Like, I didn't enjoy it at all the first time I saw it. It wasn't until I saw it in context that I wrapped my head around what it was doing and how different it was. So, I mean. Excellent serial; maybe not the most ideal place to jump in blind? Davison's run is hard, as they're mostly album tracks rather than singles, if you follow. The stories tend to lean on each other rather than stand out. Even his premiere follows on immediately from Tom Baker's finale. Caves of Androzani is great, but also Davison' s finale. And 80% of the reason it's great, you only really pick up on when you see it after everything else his Doctor has gone through. Otherwise, you kind of get a Genesis reaction. "Well, that was... a bit grim. Huh. That was the best, was it?"
Man, looking at it now, this is tough. What serial do you even pull out? His best serial, I think, is Enlightenment, but that's the third part of a trilogy. The first part of that trilogy, The Mawdryn Undead, is pretty good, and in a sense works as an on-boarding point since it introduces a new companion. But... it's also a weird one, tonally and structurally.
Yeah, I guess it might as well be Kinda, on reflection. Just know that it's like listening to one random track from a Pink Floyd album without any sense of what it's there for.
I guess this means you are ruling out *Warriors of the Deep* ;-)
Good analysis - *Kinda* or *Earthshock* would be the two I would go for although I think you could just about get away with *Castrovalva* as it is a regeneration story which means you can just about ignore *Keeper of Traken* & *Logopolis* and treat it as a stand alone.
Hmm. The idea of the "best ever" episode is kind of subjective. While this might well be the best episode for some fans, others might favor something else. Doctor Who Magazine has periodically done a ranking of every Doctor Who story by aggregating the votes of a huge number of fans. In the first such ranking Genesis did indeed come in first, while in the second such ranking years later the top ranked story was the Fifth Doctor's Caves of Androzani and the third time they did a ranking a modern Who story came out on top. Genesis does consistently get ranked near the top, however. The scene where Davros contemplates the Doctor's theoretical virus, "To know that the slightest pressure of my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything. Yes! I would do it! " and the scene where the Doctor wrestles with the morality of destroying the Daleks are what elevate this to such a high level of popularity. And of course, the giant clams (I think one of those clams eventually made its way to Earth and the Joker subsequently tried to feed Batman and Robin to it in the 1966 television series)
whobp8 Yeah my favourite classic Doctor Who stories are Genesis and Caves
Kinda is excellent! Also, Its definitely the best episode to watch for introducing the Fifth Doctor.
Random thoughts
Genesis of the Daleks is in one of my favourite TV trailers
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Funny how you’ve watched 5 and in 4 The Doctor wasn’t the only Gallifreyian - how do you feel about that ?
That cliffhanger with Sarah falling is so shocking, when I was Genesis for the first time I was shocked by that even know I knew she was ok
Just imagine waiting a whole week for that
It is a little strange to have more Time Lords. I'm sure I'll get used to it with more episodes!
7th Hour Films I don’t know if anyone’s said this but the first Doctor was actually the first to have a Time Lord adversary
In the story The Time Meddler we meet The Meddling Monk who just wants to change history, no for any malicious reason - just because he things it should have happened that way he’s only appeared twice and the other story he’s in “The Daleks Master Plan” is mostly all missing
Know like many villains has a good scattering in the books & audios
This episode is 3 hours long on Pluto tv/britbox.
You should watch the Deadly Assassin next
"Genesis" is good, but I'm not sure it's even the best story of its season. My vote there would go for "The Ark in Space".
Hey, perhaps before you watch an episode of doctor who, it would be an original idea to watch the next time trailer for each episode, after you watch the trailer, you move on to the actual episode.
I'd rather not as I hear they get very spoilery later on.
7th Hour Films One of the 50th anniversary and series 11 trailers are very non-spoilery as with many classic episodes. It's only really Series 1-10 (modern) that spoil things
7th Hour Films Yeah they do there are a couple in particular that are like why
I guess it must have been hard for you to put this in it's proper context given you had seen so little classic Who until this point. Expecting fun should have been the last thing expected given the seriousness of the subject and the previous history with the Daleks.
It deserved to be a real serious storyline and a one off if you like. The 4th Doctor knew what he was facing and his usual good humoured nature had to be cast aside.
It might not be the best as in rip roaring fun but for a topic matter it was a pivotal moment in Doctor Who history when it was shown on TV.
I was transfixed to the screen as a wee boy.
Finally, please stop calling Davros "Dav-rose"
it is so annoying when the correct pronounciation is repeated endlessly. :)
please can we get back to season 4😢
Next week. Have patience.
Why ? This is Genesis of the Daleks
Series 4 is good but nothing beats this most iconic of Doctor Who stories
No it's not the best episode. Pretty good though.
I don’t think there’s so such thing as greatest Doctor Who story. Plenty of great and plenty of crap stories.
Stop cracking your knuckles during these videos, its gross