What's also interesting, but Scott didn't mention, was that some already had Wun-Dar in-hand several weeks before it went on preorder. I heard people were finding it at a toy store in California, which had gotten a few figures and was just selling them like ordinary inventory. Kol-Darr was sold the same way through Mattel Creations, but he didn't sell out as quickly...and as of writing this comment, I had not heard of any Kol-Darrs leaking out.
Mattel's handling of the Origins line has been a complete fiasco. They're never available at retail because scalpers buy up everything and sell them for inflated prices on eBay; timed exclusives like Sun Man, Kol-Dar, and Wun-Dar are victims to the same scumbags. They really need to find a better way to get these things into customer's hands; maybe they should start a new MOTU subscription service like Matty Collector.
This is one of those figures I'd love to purchase (at regular retail price); one to open and one for the collection. But, I made myself this rule; if I can't get it at retail price, let it go!
One mayor flaw in your theory tho… if they have tons of them in a warehouse just taking up space and they want to get rid of it quick to make room for need stuff, then wouldn’t customers be getting them now? Yet no one knows when they’ll be shipped. Some are saying October, for a product that’s just taking up space that’s a long time to be shipped.
Wun-Dar was announced/planned as a Mattel Creations exclusive at the 2021 Power-Con along with Kol-Darr. It wasn't a SDCC overstock issue. I think one issue was that too many resellers bought them first over actual fans in that 2 min window the stock lasted. There's no way to control that in the presale process. There are hundreds of Ebay listing for Wun-Dar now, he can be bought, just not at the retail price. The demand for Wun-Dar far exceeds the supply, he might have not been a good choice for a Mattel Creations exclusive production quota. Maybe bringing back the subscription service to Creations would be beneficial to fans.
The problem is the demand for particular characters is very different and this mostly reflects whether they're general releases, type of store exclusives, single store exclusives or Creations exclusives. Some of these Mattel Creations exclusives would just shelf warm if put out in the numbers needed for general retail. That's not a lack of excitement - that's a sign of the very different numbers involved. (Which makes why they released an early mini comics colours Stratos ever more inexplicable. Make him a Creations exclusive or perhaps an online retailer exclusive. Make him a different character - the grey version's cardback actually shows the beige colour scheme on other Avionians - or make him an air force builder. But why he's out on general release and early mini comics Tri Klops was limited to a Creations exclusive option is inexplicable.)
@@timrollpickering agree. I assume some characters are a bit of a gamble deciding what avenue to sell it thru. But if Mattel knows their market and fan base Wun-Dar was a safe retail bet. They could have made him a Deluxe if they wanted to, add the extra long hair head sculpt with brown hair and it would have sold out easy imo.
@@Charlie_5.5 The fanbase interested in this figure is tiny. Vocal but not enough to sustain it at retail. He's an ultra obscure part of Motu history that isn't part of many people's Motu childhoods (was he available in, say, Germany in the 1980s?) mainly known to the very hardcore fans. What broader retail does he have to the non fan part of the customer base?
@@timrollpickering I'll have to agree to disagree there. I think you're underestimating MOTU fan interest and knowledge of Wun-Dar/Savage He-Man. Anti-Eternia He-Man is more obscure and he's in a retail Wave.
I had it in my cart, and when I hit the final step of payment it said no longer available. I immediately pulled up eBay and the reseller auctions were already up, listed and relisted at higher prices with each page refresh. Guess I’ll never get this one, fml. 🤦♂️
In case you forgot, Wun-Dar was actually announced as a Mattel Creations exclusive back at Power-Con last year. So I don't agree that it was a figure intended for San Diego Comic-Con that they just now decided needed to be sold online. As for the anger and frustration being shown by the fans, I think it's twofold. First was the sell out in less than three minutes. Yes, this is annoying and shows that Mattel didn't produce nearly enough product to meet the demand. However, the part that you didn't even mention is that the figure was then relisted. Many customers got in on the "second wave" of orders. Shortly after that second wave sold out, the cancellations started going out. THIS is where a lot of the true anger and frustration comes from. Fans who thought they had a confirmed order were later greeted with an impersonal email informing them that their order was being cancelled. "Sorry, we don't have enough stock...here's a $10 coupon". Frankly I see the $10 redemption code as more of a slap in the face than anything else. Clearly the relisting of the figure was a mistake. However, the fact that Mattel isn't owning that mistake and doing whatever they can to make it right is, in my opinion, what really rubbed many of the fans the wrong way. Mattel screwed up and sending out mass cancellations is only making it worse. They need to admit their mistake and make it right. There's really no other way to say it, the way they've handled it up to now is bogus and the fans have every right to be upset about it.
I mostly agree with your analysis. They already admitted their mistake tho, and gave out a credit for $10. Good luck getting Amazon to give you a coupon for 60% of an item they canceled on you. It sucks, but I have a bumper sticker for everyone still upset. It reads "shit happens".
@@EckerKyle The $10 coupon is useless for many. There's not a lot of available product on Mattel Creations that your average Motu Origins fan is interested in and hasn't already got. And if you try to use the coupon during a future exclusive drop it will just add to the processing time and make it even less likely you'll get one. There's also a lot of international would be buyers annoyed that their cards were charged and then reimbursed for a lesser amount instead of simply reversing the transaction. So they have had to pay for the privilege of having an order for an hour with little comeback (given international shipping rates the offerings on the site don't price well - e.g. Stridor is still cheaper in stores here than his displayed price on the site even before you add international postage and that nonsense of not including sales tax in the display price).
As soon as I heard that there was going to be an Origins Wun-Dar, I saw this coming from a mile away. When it comes to collecting, I'm almost always a glass half-full kind of person but things like this makes me absolutely disgusted with the modern toy industry.
It's mostly just Mattel. I have no idea what the actual production run is but I suspect it's lower than it should have been. Every time I go to Comic-Con the Mattel stuff sells out first and it's not because they're any better than other companies it's just BS that they don't make enough even for people attending Comic-Con. Where are you compared to companies like Hasbro with a strong brand like Marvel or Star Trek they still make enough to last till the last day almost there's enough stock for everyone with some stuff already sold out of course
I was in on the preorder, pretty much like everyone is saying, I had the figure, then several hours later I didn’t. They canceled my order and refunded my money. But I went into it with full expectation that wasn’t going to get one anyway, because I usually never do. But wether this was originally a SDCC or Powercon exclusive and now it isn’t for whatever reason, Mattel has really been dropping the ball with this origins line. Just my opinion, but I believe Mattel has to many irons in the fire with just one of their franchises. They’ve got Motu origins, revelations/masterverse, and the CGI version selling simultaneously.
I am really curious about Scott’s opinion on this release seeing as he has first hand knowledge about Matty Collector and rapid sellouts on MOTU classics. No better person to explain the problems.
Oh… I remember the Rotar/Twistod pack selling out fast but I never knew why. I wasn’t able to get that set because of the fast sell out. And then a couple of years ago they popped up at the local Think Geek store for $35 on clearance.
You can still get them for about the same price today, i saw them either on bbts or ebay. Sometimes Scott is just full of b.s. and acts like hes holding out hope of being employed by mattel again, and so defends everything they do
What bums me out is that I manage to put my order in only to be notified about a day later that my order was canceled due to selling out. I knew it was too good to be true .
I’m only collecting origins and buying the cgi figures for my son. I usually only get He man and Skeletor from every line(except vintage ones when I was a kid, had quite a few)but origins just unlocked that nostalgia in me like it did in most collectors. Loving them both but it’s getting really frustrating and stressful to collect origins, especially. So difficult to obtain some of these characters. I’m still holding out on trap jaw and tri klops coming out with a good variant or being rereleased since I just started collecting them last December. Can’t justify paying $100 for figures that especially only came out two years ago! I had no issues obtaining some of the older waves, plenty out there for reasonable prices, even reseller prices. But these two need a re release of some sort. If wave 3 got a second go round, I’m pretty sure it can be done for others. I just don’t think Mattel is doing a good job at getting this line in the hands of those who really want them, imo. Collecting shouldn’t be stressful, it should be fun. I understand what goes into selling these and who their targets are, but store exclusives or creations exclusives that sell out too fast or never reach most stores are making me give up on the line. Great videos as always, I’ve been binge watching the classics documentary playlist like crazy lol. I’m a huge fan of motu but learning a lot that I did not know from your videos.
there's NO reason for doing exclusives in this manner imo. They should either go the S7 made-to-order preorder route or do general preorders the way they're doing with the mainline origins stuff so that everyone can get what they want. creating artificial scarcity for your own products and pissing off your fanbase is just asinine.
While I can speak for the Wun Dar case specifically, toy exclusives has always existed. Reason is pretty much like souvenirs when you're traveling. So when you attend a Comic-Con or some kind of event there is some kind of exclusive figure you can purchase. How that twist into MoneyGram thing is more about how fans perceived it and with money to spare. And also just the modern technology of communication. Back in the day you wouldn't know about exclusives unless you subscribe to a toy magazine or something in the community. As for pre-orders. Mattel did started that with Matty and totally Matty-ed the fans. Not sure if you remember.
Mattel is not doing well enough now, and they have admitted over and over again that they do not understand--nor care--to update their sales and marketing practices; look how they treated Scott. It's their way, or the highway, and that's why they may be at risk for losing He-Man permanently. No I'm not apologizing for them, or mourning it or anything like that. Just explaining that they're set in their ways, even if their ways are leading toward a cliff.
@@KingRandor82 sadly its true. A lot of times it just feels like Mattel don't know what they're doing and don't have confidence in their own product lines
@@yauyuso that's why ever since learning the truth about Wun-Dar, I'm no longer really that interested in him: it's basically a symbolism of Mattel's utter incompetence.
@@KingRandor82 how they treated scott? Man that poor defenseless man. He took so much abuse from them. I bet they didn’t even pay him well or send him to movie premieres or events. Yeah that poor guy suffered so much he stayed 10 plus years. Poor poor scott. Mattel was a better company on the day they fired scott.
Any thoughts on the "take it back out of the basket whilst you're waiting" part of the order process? That has seriously annoyed a lot of people that it doesn't even feel like they had a fair turn in the queue. When I buy cinema tickets I am given a five minute reservation on the seat selection to allow me time to get all my details in. I am not put into a game of pot luck as to whether the system will process me in time. I cannot understand why a sales site that experiences such bursts of high demand does not have such a system in place.
I got my confirmation email saying my order is secured. So far I've had zero issues with Mattel. I got the Ultimate Sarge, I pre-ordered the MOTU stuff I wanted....I'd say I'm lucky but in my experience there is no such thing as luck 🤷
I made an origins Wun-dar custom when Zodac was released lol, I of course updated the head when the retro style was released but I feel for all those who lost out
@@spectorcreative1872 yeah man, your videos on the mystery that is Wun-dar are what brought my love for Motu back and I've been having a blast with the Origins line. Great job with the MOTU Classics line, you guys killed it👍
Thank you. I actually "successfully" ordered Wun-Dar when the web site showed him in back stock about two hours later. I got an e-mail that evening that my order was cancelled.
Received mine after a long wait ,only to find out it was defective with gashes on the legs that were very evident that I had to return it back ..no replacement available for those of us customers who received defective figures .. . Very disappointed after a long wait ..
I could see this guy having been an SDCC or even Power Con planned exclusive, but if I'm not mistaken Mattel won't be at Power Con due to the location change this year. Maybe the same thing with Kol Darr.
Exactly. I hate it whenever Hasbro does this and I hate it just as much here. Plus, I agree with the other sentiments I've heard about the Mattel Creations website being hot garbage.
I have two on the way but I wonder if Scott is right about the rights in 2023. I also wish you had a Patreon as it would be great with as much knowledge as you have in toy manufacturing.
The purchase of mondo figures is a much nicer experience. The figures themselves, though beautiful and highly detailed are very expensive and they fall down and fall apart very easily. They are NOT toys. They don't stand up on their own, though they do come with a stand. They're fun for a little while but ultimately disappointing in my opinion. I'll probably never buy another one.
What is the rough total of figures you would need to produce for a convention compared to retail or online? Like are we in the ball park of 1500 or 25,000? Just to get a rough sense of a convention exclusive's quantity?
Saw on another channel that it was a shipping error and the vendor wasn’t aware until someone actually pointed it out to him. He thought it was just a part of a new wave.
So the extra "Wonderbread" He-Man figures were sent to grocery stores for promotions? Interesting... Maybe the guy giving out the He-Man figures just happened to be at some of the stores at the same time as a Wonderbread representative. People would have walked out of the store with a He-Man and a free sample of Wonderbread and erroneously thought they were part of the same promotion--hence the start of the Wonderbread rumor. Kinda makes you wonder... (yes, pun intended)
eBay listings show that about 160 people pre-sold their pre-order in the past week, and there are another 40 pre-orders up for sale now. How many figures do you think Mattel made available? 1,000? 10,000?
Well, they are nothing I want, and apparently no one wants them, because they are Peg Warming! I guess I'm going to have to go online, just like I always seem to have to do, to buy Beast Man, Mer-Man, Bumblebee Man, and the others, to make an Animal Man Army. I can use them either as High Evolutionary minions, or Kamandi Villains.
Makes sense. What boggles my mind is waiting in the the queue saying the item is available, clicking the checkout button saying the item is available, clicking the pay now button, and the item is sold out. What was the queue for? Then re-listing Wun-Dar an hour later. Then sometime within the next 24 hours (I am not totally clear on the timeframe), start cancelling pre-orders. What happened? Scenarios similar to this seem to happen fairly consistently, and not just Mattel. I can understand why people are frustrated when they sit and wait at the scheduled time, only to have some kind of hiccup, and the product is not available. 🤷♂️ Collector's life.
This happened before with Scareglow from the Revelations toyline. In today's greedy I'm first/ sometimes bot infused market, that's set aid those who intend on buying quantity, its even harder for normal consumers to get their desired sacrificing an arm and a leg... Even being forced to buy from scalpers on EBay. Personally, I was victim of 'The Bot Buyouts' at checkout! I had to get on the phone, conduct emails and kept on Mattel for nearly 3 months- til they sent me that Scareglow( I wasn't paying $75-$150). However, this was alot of work for 1 toy...and not everyone has that kind of time. So I'm hoping like Scgareglow, Wun-Daar gets rereleased for everyone to enjoy.
It's still a decision to pay scalper prices, you aren't being forced. I want this figure just as much as anyone, but I wouldn't pay $60 or whatever it's going for Ebay, even if I was a millionaire. If everyone gave the middle finger to scalpers, they would end up with a pile of stock they can't get rid off, and that's what they deserves. All just my own opinion.
If only collectors got them straight out of the gate though, there would be none on ebay for the guys like myself who missed to 2 minute window. In a way scalpers level the playing field. I'd happily pay more for the chance to get a figure mattel creations failed to notify me was going on sale even when I signed up for their email list for the sole purpose of staying informed on when they going to do this. And yes I searched my entire email for the message after the sellout and it is not there. They never told me. Now I know where to go to find out, but its too late.
Scott what I don't understand is why is mattel creations making 17 dollar figues.. besides this one there ha been others.. why do they just not get included in the waves? Isn't Mattel creations suppose to be for bigger things like an Eternia playset etc?
Even though I didn't put "2" and "2" together with Wundar, I did put "2" and "2" together with Revelations Scareglow. I don't think that was labeled as a SDCC figure the time - online auctions refer to it as well. Moreover, all the Hasbro stuff that were sold at Hascon around this time had the SDCC acronym on the shipper boxes.
The Revelations Scareglow with the glowing head was a Powercon figure, they straight up said that. It was released at the same time as the Origins 3 pack with Sun Man, Grizzlor, and Horde Soldier. The non-glowy Scareglow was in a retail wave.
@@ccggenius i am not sure why youtube is deleting my comment, but you are wrong. Most articles and eBay listing list the Scareglow exclusive as a SDCC 2021 exclusive. If you check the websites regarding the Power-Con 2021 exclusives, they are all Origins figures. Moreover, Sun-Man wasn't in the Horde 3 pack with Grizzlor and Horde Trooper. It was a blue cartoon variant of Hordak. Dupli-cat with the Indian variant Faker and the Secret of Grayskull accessory pack were the other two Power Con exclusives. Lastly, the Power-Con exclusives were available at the Power-Con site, whereas the Scareglow exclusive like Wundar and the exclusive version of Sun-Man, were offered st the Mattel Creations site.
Putting Wun-Dar in Revelations was a genius move. You get even more sales for a figure whose mold you already have and doesn't even need to be retooled.
I wonder if this may hurt Mattel in the long run. I'm done buying stuff that I'm meh or on the fence about to help out. No more Buzz Saw Hordaks and when I saw Terror Claws Skeletor in the store today, I didn't bother. I sent Mattel Creations a message via the customer support function and vented. People can buy three? Why? So they can scalp them at $60 or $80 or more? Count me out. I got a reply where they said they'd pass along my feedback to the teams for review. I doubt that anything will be done about it.
@@spectorcreative1872 I guess next time a young family member needs a toy, I'll be sure to not get it from Mattel. I'll edit in an emoji so the comment is taken as the offhanded comment it is and not me being spiteful.😀
@@spectorcreative1872 you didn’t? And you’re supposed to be in the know? Tons of TH-camrs posted it days before it was going on sale. And none of them worked in the toy industry. This just proves you aren’t in the toy industry anymore. You are no different than any of your followers regarding toy news. Sad.
Oh that makes sense. So, seeing as they have the molds already could they do another run of Wundar? Based on your previous videos of companies worried about re-releasing a figure and having a bunch of pegwarmers, it seems like they have enough presales based on cancelling the second round of orders. Your thoughts?
i dont think it was a comic con exclusive. they just didnt have enough for the fan base. they should of just limited it to one instead of 3. from people i bought from ebay because sadly im one of the ones that didnt get one because of getting kicked out while placing the credit card info in said they were getting back ordered emails so the shipping is being pushed back. if this was a sdcc exclusive then shipping would of been right away, but since shipping is being pushed back must mean they have to wait for things and things arent ready to be shipped yet.
Well, that sucks. I wanted one. Thought this was going to be in brick and mortar stores. I believe I have the classics version. I'll keep on saying it, bringing Wun-Dar into the line, lore and mythos is one of the highlights for me in the Classic's line.
I didn't know about Wun-Dar being on Mattel Creations until I saw some other channel thumbnail about it. Twistoid and Rotar's names accidently got switched? Don't think I knew that.
I was one of the lucky ones and landed this. Its in transit as I'm writing this. The question is will the response to this warrant a mass release? Two minutes is a very fast sell out.
I also thought Wun-Dar was announced (some time ago) as an exclusive on Mattel Creations. What I don't understand is why they don't do pre-orders for these figures so a proper quantity can be produced. The Four Horsemen allow about a month for people to pre-order their figures. The "ultimate" He-Man from Mondo was available to pre-order for 24 hours (still too short of a time period, in my opinion). If they can sell more of them, why wouldn't they want to do that?
Mattel logic is they have to find ways to piss off fans. I have a theory that Mattel is running by idiots. That being said under normal logic. Pre-orders are hassle because it's not necessary. Say for a Wun Dar figure which Scott mentioned is a repaint and very cheap to make Mattel can just go ahead and order into production say 5,000 as a minimum quota. And they can add the number based on what their estimate sales would be. It's like a giant castle grayskull that's expensive then they probably have to do a pre-order to make sure they actually have that sales numbers before they go into production cuz otherwise they'll lose a lot of money. There are companies like Super 7 that I think with their licensing agreement they have made to order figures. So preorder is their thing. Mondo is Mondo. They are a company that makes overpriced figures so they have to make sure people don't regret and escape with money
There was a WWE arena set last year done as a crowd funder with three tiers of what would get produced based on pre orders. They were barely five hundred over the top tier and the price looks quite high. I suspect pre orders and crowd funding are not as easy for Mattel as so many here seem to think.
I didn't even find out about this figure being put up for sale until it had already sold out. I'm on the mailing list for Mattel Creations but didn't get anything from them about it. It was in my Instagram feed, showing as posted about four hours before it went live, and so my main complaint is that they didn't give fans enough notice. They've always had these issues with exclusive figures selling out, and I imagine my chances of getting one would have been slim, but at least it wouldn't have been none had I known. I really hope they make it a straight up retail release at some point. The prices on the secondary market are outrageous.
They sent me an Email at noon, basically when it had already sold out. I left Mattel's site where I was ten minutes early, and checked my email to see the headline "Wun-Dar rejoins the Masters of the Universe"
@@RisingBean I didn't even get THAT. I signed up for the newsletter again though. I kept refreshing the page in case it came back, but eventually the page itself was gone.
I'd say you're right, but it doesn't clarify anything about the horrible sale of this figure. I had to "wait in line" to checkout, was in the checkout paying, and it was out of stock by the time my payment entered. If that wasn't enough, it went back up for order later, and I was able to order...only to have THAT order cancelled, too. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had trying to get a figure, and I've been through a lot in the last 20+ years.
Honestly making enough for the subscription or your online store is a nice thing to do for the die-hard fans. Yes, yes, kids are the real moneymakers, I know, but it's still a really good die-hard market you can count on. Hasbro has been doing more making them avaliable on Hasbro Pulse, and I see the big Funko Unicron's also gonna be avalaible at Gamestop, which is interesting.
Minimum order quantity makes that unviable. For simplicity's sake, let's say a manufacturer requires you to purchase figures in quantities of 500. If you get 506 orders, you're obligated to purchase another 494 figures that you have to off-load somehow, or refund those last 6 people. One of these is a lot less expensive than the other.
Just curious why you think Mattel cant mimic Mondo's business model? For example, the recent 24 hour preorder period for Mondo's newest He-Man release. Considering this product is highly detailed and made of expensive new tooling, opposed to mattel creations Wundar which is little more than a repaint and heavily uses existing tooling, it would seem to me that it would have been a wiser business decision to take preorders months ahead of time than to once again frustrate customers over a less than 3 minute opportunity to buy a limited pre-made product. I dont expect you to be critical of companies you may consider to be a potential future emploment opportunity or to be a big advocate for fans or customers, but i would think you could at least be a little more honest about the unneccesary frustration these companies are putting their customers through. In my opinion, this business practice will inevitably negatively affect, the company, the hobby, and the IP, not to mention the credibility of those such as yourself who defend or make excuses for such practices
Mattel's website is crap. I never got past the captcha. It just kept redirecting me to captcha over and over when I would click checkout. After 4-5 tries, I finally got the sold out message. Such BS!
What I fail to understand, is why a factory - yes, Mattel is one, not a shop - seeing a huge demand for a product, simply does not say, OK, we'll accept preorders for this product for 48 hours,, and it might take 6 months for them to be delivvered,,, even if you pay in advance, and if you cancel, you get only half your money back. Is it so hard to manufacture something you have all the tools already,, in a second batch?
You usually don’t talk about GI Joe Classified Series. Haslab just announced a $300 HISS tank project which will require 8,000 backers. Noting that the project will bring in a minimum of $2.4 million if it gets the backing what would a project like that cost Hasbro to produce?
They've also put in an incentive to get this fully funded fast, since if they hit the minimum backing in a week they'll throw in another figure. This seems to be working, as they are currently at 6,589 backers, in less than twelve hours.
I heard a large number of them ended up in Asian markets. If that’s true, I wonder why. It’s not like they’ve sat on any of these exclusives before. In my experiences, exclusives are just frustration and headaches waiting to happen.
And this is why I don't even bother trying to get MOTUO online exclusives. I didn't think anything could top order day on Matty Collector 10 years ago, but here we are in 2022 and nothing has changed. Not that Hasbro was any better when they would take SDCC exclusive orders on Hasbro Toy Shop and things would sell out in minutes, but you wouldn't know because the site would keep crashing and timing out on you. Heck, a few weeks ago Hasbro Pulse had their big store wide sale and some people still haven't gotten their orders because it turns out they were counting inventory that hadn't even been unloaded from the boat yet! Long story short, toy companies are great at making toys but terrible at selling them direct to customers.
Wundar is not a sdcc item. SDCC isnt up in the air and Wundar was announced months ago as a mystery figure coming later in 2022 along with the other recent Mattel Creations motu exclusive from a few weeks ago that didnt sell out in less than a minute. If it were a sdcc item they would have proclaimed this in the solicitation. If they did this and I simply overlooked it then fair enough, but every other company promotes the item as a sdcc item if that’s what it was intended to be. Some say 3 min but it was no more than a minute bec it hit the site 2 min early and when it said sold out for me it was 1 minute to the top of the hour. Only if you were able to get on within 5-10 sec of it hitting would you have had a chance to get it before scalper bots gobbled them all up.
Not buying the Comic Con excuse. I’ve purchased many CC exclusives online and none sold out in under 2 minutes, nor did I later receive a refund and have my order canceled. Someone at Mattel screwed up big time. It’s a straight up repaint, so they could easily fix this issue if they truly cared.
Even though I could 100% see this, honestly....I think having Wun-Dar as a SDCC item or even a MattelCreations item was a poor choice; you said it yourself....it was in recent media. This could've gone to big box retail in an exclusive set, instead of being sold on MC; I mean......Kol-Darr I could see on MC; Wun-Dar....not so much. Thankfully...now that we know the truth about Wun-Dar, I didn't lose too much sleep over not getting him, and Kol-Darr was the one I wanted, and did successfully pre-order.
Scott, after watching your video still doesn't explain the real reason why Wun Dar sold out. Its Mattel! This is nothing surprising with Mattel. Its almost a Mattel motto, "Got to find ways to piss off fans". You can say the figure was originally a SDCC exclusive but that doesn't explain why it's sold out right away or has a small production run. Look at other companies during the pandemic last year when they sold their exclusives online there was a good amount of numbers for the fans despite how limited it is. People actually have a chance. Even attending the Comic-Con itself Mattel exclusive usually sold out really fast and it's not because it's a lot better than what other companies are making that's never the case. Mattel just make smaller numbers to piss off the fans. As a toy company I don't see why Mattel can't do what other companies are doing just make a good amount of the Comic-Con exclusives sell them at the convention so that everyone attending during those four days would actually have a chance to purchase and if there's any leftover stall put them up online for people that's not as fortunate to be able to make it to San Diego. Maybe if a slightly different packaging or something like that or minus an exclusive pen/pin or t-shirt or something like that. There's got to be a certain pride or satisfaction coming from the Mattel higher-ups knowing that they created a new term (Matty) to describe how bad they would screw their customers.
Scott regularly defends and makes exxuses for mattel crapping on their customers. I think the guy is just constantly auditioning for a future emploment opportunity
@@ytrefugee113 I mean I understand. To be fair Scott work at Mattel for a long time and gotten a lot of opportunities. Even though there are jobs that I left that I am still grateful for them for giving me the opportunities. And perhaps that's the thing there are things that working in the company that Scott sees and we don't. Also the other way around sometimes what's happening doesn't necessarily reflect how customers feel about it. For example I understand Mattel wants to make sure Comic-Con attendees are rewarded for attending and have exclusives for them available. But there are ways that you can ensure the convention exclusives are special and also be fair to people that cant attend. Like Hasbro has been doing.
I was able to add one to my cart about 2 hours after the initial sale time. After adding shipping and tax, I decided I didn't want to pay $26 for a 'basic' figure. I picked up an extra Battle Armor He-Man for $10 and I'm going to paint his hair and customize his chestplate logos.
Hey at least Mattel released Pig Head at retail. That should be a big seller. So stupid. I Wun-Dar if Mattel will regret this decision. I know it has affected my decision to collect MOTU especially the origins line. I will just buy vintage.
Look why can't they just make him an Amazon exclusive or something and Mass produce him. You know I want him and everyone else so why can't we have him it's 2022 damn it. He's just an easy repaint it's not that hard it won't cost that much to reproduce.
This sucked. It went out of stock as soon as I was checking out of my cart, lol. Especially sucks, coz Mattel really stepped their game up with Flying Fists and Terror Claws, which geuinnely felt like upgrades to their vintage ounterparts.
What's also interesting, but Scott didn't mention, was that some already had Wun-Dar in-hand several weeks before it went on preorder. I heard people were finding it at a toy store in California, which had gotten a few figures and was just selling them like ordinary inventory. Kol-Darr was sold the same way through Mattel Creations, but he didn't sell out as quickly...and as of writing this comment, I had not heard of any Kol-Darrs leaking out.
The whole experience jaded me towards exclusive collecting. I had it in my cart when it sold out.
Mattel's handling of the Origins line has been a complete fiasco. They're never available at retail because scalpers buy up everything and sell them for inflated prices on eBay; timed exclusives like Sun Man, Kol-Dar, and Wun-Dar are victims to the same scumbags. They really need to find a better way to get these things into customer's hands; maybe they should start a new MOTU subscription service like Matty Collector.
I hear this said about any toy release. I didnt get one either btw lol
you could of gotten sun man and kol-dar as those were up for about half an hour .
This is one of those figures I'd love to purchase (at regular retail price); one to open and one for the collection. But, I made myself this rule; if I can't get it at retail price, let it go!
One mayor flaw in your theory tho… if they have tons of them in a warehouse just taking up space and they want to get rid of it quick to make room for need stuff, then wouldn’t customers be getting them now? Yet no one knows when they’ll be shipped. Some are saying October, for a product that’s just taking up space that’s a long time to be shipped.
Wun-Dar was announced/planned as a Mattel Creations exclusive at the 2021 Power-Con along with Kol-Darr. It wasn't a SDCC overstock issue. I think one issue was that too many resellers bought them first over actual fans in that 2 min window the stock lasted. There's no way to control that in the presale process. There are hundreds of Ebay listing for Wun-Dar now, he can be bought, just not at the retail price. The demand for Wun-Dar far exceeds the supply, he might have not been a good choice for a Mattel Creations exclusive production quota. Maybe bringing back the subscription service to Creations would be beneficial to fans.
The problem is the demand for particular characters is very different and this mostly reflects whether they're general releases, type of store exclusives, single store exclusives or Creations exclusives. Some of these Mattel Creations exclusives would just shelf warm if put out in the numbers needed for general retail. That's not a lack of excitement - that's a sign of the very different numbers involved.
(Which makes why they released an early mini comics colours Stratos ever more inexplicable. Make him a Creations exclusive or perhaps an online retailer exclusive. Make him a different character - the grey version's cardback actually shows the beige colour scheme on other Avionians - or make him an air force builder. But why he's out on general release and early mini comics Tri Klops was limited to a Creations exclusive option is inexplicable.)
@@timrollpickering agree. I assume some characters are a bit of a gamble deciding what avenue to sell it thru. But if Mattel knows their market and fan base Wun-Dar was a safe retail bet. They could have made him a Deluxe if they wanted to, add the extra long hair head sculpt with brown hair and it would have sold out easy imo.
@@Charlie_5.5 The fanbase interested in this figure is tiny. Vocal but not enough to sustain it at retail. He's an ultra obscure part of Motu history that isn't part of many people's Motu childhoods (was he available in, say, Germany in the 1980s?) mainly known to the very hardcore fans. What broader retail does he have to the non fan part of the customer base?
@@timrollpickering I'll have to agree to disagree there. I think you're underestimating MOTU fan interest and knowledge of Wun-Dar/Savage He-Man. Anti-Eternia He-Man is more obscure and he's in a retail Wave.
Why not do what Mondo just did with their latest He-Man figure? A 24 hr timed exclusive? Seems rather simple in that anyone who wants one gets one.
I had it in my cart, and when I hit the final step of payment it said no longer available. I immediately pulled up eBay and the reseller auctions were already up, listed and relisted at higher prices with each page refresh. Guess I’ll never get this one, fml. 🤦♂️
Mattel doesn't care.
In case you forgot, Wun-Dar was actually announced as a Mattel Creations exclusive back at Power-Con last year. So I don't agree that it was a figure intended for San Diego Comic-Con that they just now decided needed to be sold online. As for the anger and frustration being shown by the fans, I think it's twofold. First was the sell out in less than three minutes. Yes, this is annoying and shows that Mattel didn't produce nearly enough product to meet the demand. However, the part that you didn't even mention is that the figure was then relisted.
Many customers got in on the "second wave" of orders. Shortly after that second wave sold out, the cancellations started going out. THIS is where a lot of the true anger and frustration comes from. Fans who thought they had a confirmed order were later greeted with an impersonal email informing them that their order was being cancelled. "Sorry, we don't have enough stock...here's a $10 coupon". Frankly I see the $10 redemption code as more of a slap in the face than anything else.
Clearly the relisting of the figure was a mistake. However, the fact that Mattel isn't owning that mistake and doing whatever they can to make it right is, in my opinion, what really rubbed many of the fans the wrong way. Mattel screwed up and sending out mass cancellations is only making it worse. They need to admit their mistake and make it right. There's really no other way to say it, the way they've handled it up to now is bogus and the fans have every right to be upset about it.
I mostly agree with your analysis. They already admitted their mistake tho, and gave out a credit for $10. Good luck getting Amazon to give you a coupon for 60% of an item they canceled on you. It sucks, but I have a bumper sticker for everyone still upset. It reads "shit happens".
@@EckerKyle The $10 coupon is useless for many. There's not a lot of available product on Mattel Creations that your average Motu Origins fan is interested in and hasn't already got. And if you try to use the coupon during a future exclusive drop it will just add to the processing time and make it even less likely you'll get one.
There's also a lot of international would be buyers annoyed that their cards were charged and then reimbursed for a lesser amount instead of simply reversing the transaction. So they have had to pay for the privilege of having an order for an hour with little comeback (given international shipping rates the offerings on the site don't price well - e.g. Stridor is still cheaper in stores here than his displayed price on the site even before you add international postage and that nonsense of not including sales tax in the display price).
Scott regularly defends and makes excuses for Mattel crapping on their customers, like hes autioning for a future employment opportunity.
no one better to explain this then you .
Exactly, if you don't want any facts.
As soon as I heard that there was going to be an Origins Wun-Dar, I saw this coming from a mile away. When it comes to collecting, I'm almost always a glass half-full kind of person but things like this makes me absolutely disgusted with the modern toy industry.
It's mostly just Mattel. I have no idea what the actual production run is but I suspect it's lower than it should have been.
Every time I go to Comic-Con the Mattel stuff sells out first and it's not because they're any better than other companies it's just BS that they don't make enough even for people attending Comic-Con.
Where are you compared to companies like Hasbro with a strong brand like Marvel or Star Trek they still make enough to last till the last day almost there's enough stock for everyone with some stuff already sold out of course
I was in on the preorder, pretty much like everyone is saying, I had the figure, then several hours later I didn’t. They canceled my order and refunded my money. But I went into it with full expectation that wasn’t going to get one anyway, because I usually never do. But wether this was originally a SDCC or Powercon exclusive and now it isn’t for whatever reason, Mattel has really been dropping the ball with this origins line. Just my opinion, but I believe Mattel has to many irons in the fire with just one of their franchises. They’ve got Motu origins, revelations/masterverse, and the CGI version selling simultaneously.
Mattel pulled out of power con this year. Wonder if he was meant as an exclusive for that event.
I am really curious about Scott’s opinion on this release seeing as he has first hand knowledge about Matty Collector and rapid sellouts on MOTU classics. No better person to explain the problems.
Indeed.
He was announced back in September as coming to the website. So, they had plenty of time to make them. Your SDCC theory is wrong.
Scott regularly makes excuses for/defends Mattel crapping on customers like he is auditioning for a future emploment opportunity.
Oh… I remember the Rotar/Twistod pack selling out fast but I never knew why. I wasn’t able to get that set because of the fast sell out. And then a couple of years ago they popped up at the local Think Geek store for $35 on clearance.
You can still get them for about the same price today, i saw them either on bbts or ebay. Sometimes Scott is just full of b.s. and acts like hes holding out hope of being employed by mattel again, and so defends everything they do
Sorry to make anyone out there jealous, but a very good friend of mine got one from me from Ebay.
And no I won't let go of him for love or money.
Thank you for making this video. I was the one that requested it or might be more than just me.
What bums me out is that I manage to put my order in only to be notified about a day later that my order was canceled due to selling out. I knew it was too good to be true .
I am truly sorry it went south!
I’m only collecting origins and buying the cgi figures for my son. I usually only get He man and Skeletor from every line(except vintage ones when I was a kid, had quite a few)but origins just unlocked that nostalgia in me like it did in most collectors. Loving them both but it’s getting really frustrating and stressful to collect origins, especially. So difficult to obtain some of these characters. I’m still holding out on trap jaw and tri klops coming out with a good variant or being rereleased since I just started collecting them last December. Can’t justify paying $100 for figures that especially only came out two years ago! I had no issues obtaining some of the older waves, plenty out there for reasonable prices, even reseller prices. But these two need a re release of some sort. If wave 3 got a second go round, I’m pretty sure it can be done for others.
I just don’t think Mattel is doing a good job at getting this line in the hands of those who really want them, imo. Collecting shouldn’t be stressful, it should be fun. I understand what goes into selling these and who their targets are, but store exclusives or creations exclusives that sell out too fast or never reach most stores are making me give up on the line.
Great videos as always, I’ve been binge watching the classics documentary playlist like crazy lol. I’m a huge fan of motu but learning a lot that I did not know from your videos.
@Toy Tsunami yeah, agree. But it’s like watching soccer. I hate FIFA for how corrupt and ridiculous they are, but I love the game.
there's NO reason for doing exclusives in this manner imo. They should either go the S7 made-to-order preorder route or do general preorders the way they're doing with the mainline origins stuff so that everyone can get what they want. creating artificial scarcity for your own products and pissing off your fanbase is just asinine.
While I can speak for the Wun Dar case specifically, toy exclusives has always existed. Reason is pretty much like souvenirs when you're traveling. So when you attend a Comic-Con or some kind of event there is some kind of exclusive figure you can purchase.
How that twist into MoneyGram thing is more about how fans perceived it and with money to spare. And also just the modern technology of communication.
Back in the day you wouldn't know about exclusives unless you subscribe to a toy magazine or something in the community.
As for pre-orders. Mattel did started that with Matty and totally Matty-ed the fans. Not sure if you remember.
Mattel is not doing well enough now, and they have admitted over and over again that they do not understand--nor care--to update their sales and marketing practices; look how they treated Scott. It's their way, or the highway, and that's why they may be at risk for losing He-Man permanently. No I'm not apologizing for them, or mourning it or anything like that. Just explaining that they're set in their ways, even if their ways are leading toward a cliff.
@@KingRandor82 sadly its true. A lot of times it just feels like Mattel don't know what they're doing and don't have confidence in their own product lines
@@yauyuso that's why ever since learning the truth about Wun-Dar, I'm no longer really that interested in him: it's basically a symbolism of Mattel's utter incompetence.
@@KingRandor82 how they treated scott? Man that poor defenseless man. He took so much abuse from them. I bet they didn’t even pay him well or send him to movie premieres or events. Yeah that poor guy suffered so much he stayed 10 plus years. Poor poor scott. Mattel was a better company on the day they fired scott.
Any thoughts on the "take it back out of the basket whilst you're waiting" part of the order process? That has seriously annoyed a lot of people that it doesn't even feel like they had a fair turn in the queue.
When I buy cinema tickets I am given a five minute reservation on the seat selection to allow me time to get all my details in. I am not put into a game of pot luck as to whether the system will process me in time. I cannot understand why a sales site that experiences such bursts of high demand does not have such a system in place.
Same thing happened to me with the mv scareglow and now wundar...bullshit Man
Companies are about money. This is a popular figure. Make more and keep selling it.
Exclusive means limited. If they print as many as a normal figure it is no longer exclusive or special for collectors
All they need to do is release a mass-market version with the "correct" black blaster, and BOOM! Instant variant that more people will buy.
I got my confirmation email saying my order is secured. So far I've had zero issues with Mattel. I got the Ultimate Sarge, I pre-ordered the MOTU stuff I wanted....I'd say I'm lucky but in my experience there is no such thing as luck 🤷
That's because nobody messes with the Sarge!
@@andrewgrant2990 Yo freakin Joe 😎
Finally the video I been asking for
In line, paying for it, sold out! Now I’ve gone to eBay and paid $60, hope he actually gets shipped.
Paying scalper prices only contributes to the problem...
Rule #1 never pay for a pre order item on eBay.
@@85wastedyears It’s a last resort
I made an origins Wun-dar custom when Zodac was released lol, I of course updated the head when the retro style was released but I feel for all those who lost out
Yeah an easy custom to make
@@spectorcreative1872 yeah man, your videos on the mystery that is Wun-dar are what brought my love for Motu back and I've been having a blast with the Origins line. Great job with the MOTU Classics line, you guys killed it👍
My local Wal-Mart and Target stores have empty pegs for Origins or just fleshy stratos and LOP Merman.
Same here. There have been those two, and the 2nd Evil lynn figures just sitting there for months and months...
Good morning everyone from Kannapolis, NC! Great way to start a Wednesday morning!
I don't collect Origins, but I can heartily sympathise with those who wanted him, but missed out by a matter of minutes or seconds.
Thank you. I actually "successfully" ordered Wun-Dar when the web site showed him in back stock about two hours later. I got an e-mail that evening that my order was cancelled.
@@adamn.4615 That bites, mate.
The color of the gun is the least important... the problem is that they didn't make enough figures for all the real and true collectors.
You had to buy He-Man, Skeletor, and Teela and send the UPC's to get Wundar... This was about 1983.
Flyer came in the mail...
Received mine after a long wait ,only to find out it was defective with gashes on the legs that were very evident that I had to return it back ..no replacement available for those of us customers who received defective figures .. . Very disappointed after a long wait ..
Oh man that is the worst
I could see this guy having been an SDCC or even Power Con planned exclusive, but if I'm not mistaken Mattel won't be at Power Con due to the location change this year. Maybe the same thing with Kol Darr.
This is a simple repaint.
There should be no shortages. This is full on artificial scarcity designed for scalpers in mind.
Exactly. I hate it whenever Hasbro does this and I hate it just as much here. Plus, I agree with the other sentiments I've heard about the Mattel Creations website being hot garbage.
So if it is a comiccon exlucive about how many figures would they have produced for that. Ballpark like 1000? 5000? 10,000?
Had him, paid for him.. then it comes back with sold out. About two min . Sucks but what are ya gonna do
Exactly the same for me.
You're gonna do what Mattel wants you to do: buy it off of their scalpers.
@@hulksmash8159 No, I don’t do that, just won’t get him.
Man that’s horrible
Congrats for the 30K!
I have two on the way but I wonder if Scott is right about the rights in 2023. I also wish you had a Patreon as it would be great with as much knowledge as you have in toy manufacturing.
Congratulations ! I mean it, not being salty. My fellow fans matter.
@@williamthompson5504 Thanks, I got two because I didn't need three. One for display and other to be MOC.
Yeah scott needs patreon. After all his bills are piling up.
Hey Scott, what’s your opinion on the Mondo He-man?
Thanks for sharing your experience in the business and decoding the secrets of the big companies
It's better than anything being made by Mattel.
@@hulksmash8159
It’s 10 times the price
It Better be Better!
@@TheGreatDayne1983 Of course it is. Nice things cost more.
The purchase of mondo figures is a much nicer experience. The figures themselves, though beautiful and highly detailed are very expensive and they fall down and fall apart very easily. They are NOT toys. They don't stand up on their own, though they do come with a stand. They're fun for a little while but ultimately disappointing in my opinion. I'll probably never buy another one.
@@edwardjohnson6744 Sounds like you throw your stuff around. I've had NO problems with them and I suspect that you don't actually own any.
What is the rough total of figures you would need to produce for a convention compared to retail or online? Like are we in the ball park of 1500 or 25,000? Just to get a rough sense of a convention exclusive's quantity?
Very interesting. Great vid as always, Scott!
That makes sense as far as why there were so few of them, although do you have any theories why so many ended up out in the wild? Accident? Theft?
Mattel finds a way *wink
Saw on another channel that it was a shipping error and the vendor wasn’t aware until someone actually pointed it out to him. He thought it was just a part of a new wave.
Did Wonder Bread ever do an actual promotion which caused the initial confusion?
No. See the video linked at the end for the full scoop
So the extra "Wonderbread" He-Man figures were sent to grocery stores for promotions? Interesting...
Maybe the guy giving out the He-Man figures just happened to be at some of the stores at the same time as a Wonderbread representative. People would have walked out of the store with a He-Man and a free sample of Wonderbread and erroneously thought they were part of the same promotion--hence the start of the Wonderbread rumor.
Kinda makes you wonder... (yes, pun intended)
eBay listings show that about 160 people pre-sold their pre-order in the past week, and there are another 40 pre-orders up for sale now. How many figures do you think Mattel made available? 1,000? 10,000?
He-Man figures haven't made it to any stores around here. All we ever get are the Kiddie versions.
That is because those are the skus that sell the best
Well, they are nothing I want, and apparently no one wants them, because they are Peg Warming! I guess I'm going to have to go online, just like I always seem to have to do, to buy Beast Man, Mer-Man, Bumblebee Man, and the others, to make an Animal Man Army. I can use them either as High Evolutionary minions, or Kamandi Villains.
I wonder if Wun-Dar will show up in Masterverse? It's pretty much an easy repaint, so.....
Makes sense. What boggles my mind is waiting in the the queue saying the item is available, clicking the checkout button saying the item is available, clicking the pay now button, and the item is sold out. What was the queue for? Then re-listing Wun-Dar an hour later. Then sometime within the next 24 hours (I am not totally clear on the timeframe), start cancelling pre-orders. What happened? Scenarios similar to this seem to happen fairly consistently, and not just Mattel. I can understand why people are frustrated when they sit and wait at the scheduled time, only to have some kind of hiccup, and the product is not available. 🤷♂️ Collector's life.
Same thing for me for the pay now.
This happened before with Scareglow from the Revelations toyline. In today's greedy I'm first/ sometimes bot infused market, that's set aid those who intend on buying quantity, its even harder for normal consumers to get their desired sacrificing an arm and a leg... Even being forced to buy from scalpers on EBay. Personally, I was victim of 'The Bot Buyouts' at checkout! I had to get on the phone, conduct emails and kept on Mattel for nearly 3 months- til they sent me that Scareglow( I wasn't paying $75-$150). However, this was alot of work for 1 toy...and not everyone has that kind of time. So I'm hoping like Scgareglow, Wun-Daar gets rereleased for everyone to enjoy.
It's still a decision to pay scalper prices, you aren't being forced. I want this figure just as much as anyone, but I wouldn't pay $60 or whatever it's going for Ebay, even if I was a millionaire. If everyone gave the middle finger to scalpers, they would end up with a pile of stock they can't get rid off, and that's what they deserves. All just my own opinion.
@@85wastedyears that's fine. As I mentioned, I hope he gets rereleased for all to enjoy.
If only collectors got them straight out of the gate though, there would be none on ebay for the guys like myself who missed to 2 minute window. In a way scalpers level the playing field. I'd happily pay more for the chance to get a figure mattel creations failed to notify me was going on sale even when I signed up for their email list for the sole purpose of staying informed on when they going to do this. And yes I searched my entire email for the message after the sellout and it is not there. They never told me. Now I know where to go to find out, but its too late.
@@LowellLucasJr. Me too. 😁
@@edwardjohnson6744 I see what you are saying. It's just the price mark-up with the sclapers is so high... ugh. 😀
Scott what I don't understand is why is mattel creations making 17 dollar figues.. besides this one there ha been others.. why do they just not get included in the waves? Isn't Mattel creations suppose to be for bigger things like an Eternia playset etc?
Even though I didn't put "2" and "2" together with Wundar, I did put "2" and "2" together with Revelations Scareglow. I don't think that was labeled as a SDCC figure the time - online auctions refer to it as well.
Moreover, all the Hasbro stuff that were sold at Hascon around this time had the SDCC acronym on the shipper boxes.
The Revelations Scareglow with the glowing head was a Powercon figure, they straight up said that. It was released at the same time as the Origins 3 pack with Sun Man, Grizzlor, and Horde Soldier. The non-glowy Scareglow was in a retail wave.
@@ccggenius i am not sure why youtube is deleting my comment, but you are wrong. Most articles and eBay listing list the Scareglow exclusive as a SDCC 2021 exclusive. If you check the websites regarding the Power-Con 2021 exclusives, they are all Origins figures. Moreover, Sun-Man wasn't in the Horde 3 pack with Grizzlor and Horde Trooper. It was a blue cartoon variant of Hordak. Dupli-cat with the Indian variant Faker and the Secret of Grayskull accessory pack were the other two Power Con exclusives. Lastly, the Power-Con exclusives were available at the Power-Con site, whereas the Scareglow exclusive like Wundar and the exclusive version of Sun-Man, were offered st the Mattel Creations site.
Next to having my own personal Motu figure, I always wanted Wundar
Great video Scott, I love your theory that it was for Comic Con.
I hope we get a Prince Keldor soon.
Putting Wun-Dar in Revelations was a genius move. You get even more sales for a figure whose mold you already have and doesn't even need to be retooled.
The Rotar and Twiztoid theory doesn't make sense, you could STILL get them on Mattel shop as of a few weeks ago.
I was looking forward to hearing your take on this situation.
What a fiasco :( Wundar deserved better
I wonder if this may hurt Mattel in the long run. I'm done buying stuff that I'm meh or on the fence about to help out. No more Buzz Saw Hordaks and when I saw Terror Claws Skeletor in the store today, I didn't bother. I sent Mattel Creations a message via the customer support function and vented. People can buy three? Why? So they can scalp them at $60 or $80 or more? Count me out. I got a reply where they said they'd pass along my feedback to the teams for review. I doubt that anything will be done about it.
I emailed them a lengthy complaint as well. Hopefully enough of us did, but i doubt they even care
@@ytrefugee113 Hopefully they'll care when I keep speaking with my wallet.
Not in the least. Mattel rightly so is focused on toys that sell like preschool and toy cars
@@spectorcreative1872 I guess next time a young family member needs a toy, I'll be sure to not get it from Mattel. I'll edit in an emoji so the comment is taken as the offhanded comment it is and not me being spiteful.😀
Hopefully we get another batch of him
It’s the moq that would drive or prevent that
I didn’t even know they were selling this 😢
Neither did I!
Yeah, it was promoted very poorly. Promotion for Mattel Creations in general is lackluster at best. They absolutely blew it with Wun-Dar.
@@spectorcreative1872 you didn’t? And you’re supposed to be in the know? Tons of TH-camrs posted it days before it was going on sale. And none of them worked in the toy industry. This just proves you aren’t in the toy industry anymore. You are no different than any of your followers regarding toy news. Sad.
Oh that makes sense. So, seeing as they have the molds already could they do another run of Wundar? Based on your previous videos of companies worried about re-releasing a figure and having a bunch of pegwarmers, it seems like they have enough presales based on cancelling the second round of orders. Your thoughts?
i dont think it was a comic con exclusive. they just didnt have enough for the fan base. they should of just limited it to one instead of 3. from people i bought from ebay because sadly im one of the ones that didnt get one because of getting kicked out while placing the credit card info in said they were getting back ordered emails so the shipping is being pushed back. if this was a sdcc exclusive then shipping would of been right away, but since shipping is being pushed back must mean they have to wait for things and things arent ready to be shipped yet.
Well, that sucks. I wanted one. Thought this was going to be in brick and mortar stores. I believe I have the classics version. I'll keep on saying it, bringing Wun-Dar into the line, lore and mythos is one of the highlights for me in the Classic's line.
I ordered one off of e-bay. Let’s see if it actually shows up
Well eBay does have a nice money back guarantee
I didn't know about Wun-Dar being on Mattel Creations until I saw some other channel thumbnail about it. Twistoid and Rotar's names accidently got switched? Don't think I knew that.
I was one of the lucky ones and landed this. Its in transit as I'm writing this. The question is will the response to this warrant a mass release? Two minutes is a very fast sell out.
Very jealous!
I also thought Wun-Dar was announced (some time ago) as an exclusive on Mattel Creations. What I don't understand is why they don't do pre-orders for these figures so a proper quantity can be produced. The Four Horsemen allow about a month for people to pre-order their figures. The "ultimate" He-Man from Mondo was available to pre-order for 24 hours (still too short of a time period, in my opinion). If they can sell more of them, why wouldn't they want to do that?
Mattel logic is they have to find ways to piss off fans.
I have a theory that Mattel is running by idiots.
That being said under normal logic. Pre-orders are hassle because it's not necessary.
Say for a Wun Dar figure which Scott mentioned is a repaint and very cheap to make Mattel can just go ahead and order into production say 5,000 as a minimum quota. And they can add the number based on what their estimate sales would be.
It's like a giant castle grayskull that's expensive then they probably have to do a pre-order to make sure they actually have that sales numbers before they go into production cuz otherwise they'll lose a lot of money.
There are companies like Super 7 that I think with their licensing agreement they have made to order figures. So preorder is their thing.
Mondo is Mondo. They are a company that makes overpriced figures so they have to make sure people don't regret and escape with money
There was a WWE arena set last year done as a crowd funder with three tiers of what would get produced based on pre orders. They were barely five hundred over the top tier and the price looks quite high. I suspect pre orders and crowd funding are not as easy for Mattel as so many here seem to think.
So do you believe is it possible he WILL STILL BE an SDCC exclusive later next month? I'm confused
I didn't know about this figure back in the 80's, it must not have lasted long.
Hmm, i'd say your 'guess' is 'wun-dar ful'! Great video.
Thank you! The evidence does add up
I didn't even find out about this figure being put up for sale until it had already sold out. I'm on the mailing list for Mattel Creations but didn't get anything from them about it. It was in my Instagram feed, showing as posted about four hours before it went live, and so my main complaint is that they didn't give fans enough notice. They've always had these issues with exclusive figures selling out, and I imagine my chances of getting one would have been slim, but at least it wouldn't have been none had I known. I really hope they make it a straight up retail release at some point. The prices on the secondary market are outrageous.
They sent me an Email at noon, basically when it had already sold out. I left Mattel's site where I was ten minutes early, and checked my email to see the headline "Wun-Dar rejoins the Masters of the Universe"
@@RisingBean I didn't even get THAT. I signed up for the newsletter again though. I kept refreshing the page in case it came back, but eventually the page itself was gone.
I'd say you're right, but it doesn't clarify anything about the horrible sale of this figure. I had to "wait in line" to checkout, was in the checkout paying, and it was out of stock by the time my payment entered. If that wasn't enough, it went back up for order later, and I was able to order...only to have THAT order cancelled, too. It's one of the worst experiences I've ever had trying to get a figure, and I've been through a lot in the last 20+ years.
Sad face
Honestly making enough for the subscription or your online store is a nice thing to do for the die-hard fans. Yes, yes, kids are the real moneymakers, I know, but it's still a really good die-hard market you can count on.
Hasbro has been doing more making them avaliable on Hasbro Pulse, and I see the big Funko Unicron's also gonna be avalaible at Gamestop, which is interesting.
Minimum order quantity makes that unviable. For simplicity's sake, let's say a manufacturer requires you to purchase figures in quantities of 500. If you get 506 orders, you're obligated to purchase another 494 figures that you have to off-load somehow, or refund those last 6 people. One of these is a lot less expensive than the other.
Just curious why you think Mattel cant mimic Mondo's business model? For example, the recent 24 hour preorder period for Mondo's newest He-Man release. Considering this product is highly detailed and made of expensive new tooling, opposed to mattel creations Wundar which is little more than a repaint and heavily uses existing tooling, it would seem to me that it would have been a wiser business decision to take preorders months ahead of time than to once again frustrate customers over a less than 3 minute opportunity to buy a limited pre-made product. I dont expect you to be critical of companies you may consider to be a potential future emploment opportunity or to be a big advocate for fans or customers, but i would think you could at least be a little more honest about the unneccesary frustration these companies are putting their customers through. In my opinion, this business practice will inevitably negatively affect, the company, the hobby, and the IP, not to mention the credibility of those such as yourself who defend or make excuses for such practices
Because it is too small of a business. Mattel as a large public ally owned company needs to focus on toys that sell in larger numbers
Mattel's website is crap. I never got past the captcha. It just kept redirecting me to captcha over and over when I would click checkout. After 4-5 tries, I finally got the sold out message. Such BS!
Rubes just love their repaints
What I fail to understand, is why a factory - yes, Mattel is one, not a shop - seeing a huge demand for a product, simply does not say, OK, we'll accept preorders for this product for 48 hours,, and it might take 6 months for them to be delivvered,,, even if you pay in advance, and if you cancel, you get only half your money back.
Is it so hard to manufacture something you have all the tools already,, in a second batch?
You usually don’t talk about GI Joe Classified Series. Haslab just announced a $300 HISS tank project which will require 8,000 backers. Noting that the project will bring in a minimum of $2.4 million if it gets the backing what would a project like that cost Hasbro to produce?
They've also put in an incentive to get this fully funded fast, since if they hit the minimum backing in a week they'll throw in another figure. This seems to be working, as they are currently at 6,589 backers, in less than twelve hours.
welp you convinced me scott
I didn't even try to get one. The game is rigged and I stopped buying Mattel products close to two years ago.
Trust me the happiest news I read was when Mattel lost at DC license.
@@yauyuso I trust ya in this matter.
so it was never really linked to the wonder bread at all? mmm
I heard a large number of them ended up in Asian markets. If that’s true, I wonder why. It’s not like they’ve sat on any of these exclusives before.
In my experiences, exclusives are just frustration and headaches waiting to happen.
They were found in retail in California: th-cam.com/video/dfk8N33mA9s/w-d-xo.html
It also depends on product demand, I spent the better part of 2.5 years searching the '80's line for Faker, he was re-released in 1987.
And his packed noted: he’s back!
And this is why I don't even bother trying to get MOTUO online exclusives. I didn't think anything could top order day on Matty Collector 10 years ago, but here we are in 2022 and nothing has changed. Not that Hasbro was any better when they would take SDCC exclusive orders on Hasbro Toy Shop and things would sell out in minutes, but you wouldn't know because the site would keep crashing and timing out on you. Heck, a few weeks ago Hasbro Pulse had their big store wide sale and some people still haven't gotten their orders because it turns out they were counting inventory that hadn't even been unloaded from the boat yet! Long story short, toy companies are great at making toys but terrible at selling them direct to customers.
Wundar is not a sdcc item. SDCC isnt up in the air and Wundar was announced months ago as a mystery figure coming later in 2022 along with the other recent Mattel Creations motu exclusive from a few weeks ago that didnt sell out in less than a minute. If it were a sdcc item they would have proclaimed this in the solicitation. If they did this and I simply overlooked it then fair enough, but every other company promotes the item as a sdcc item if that’s what it was intended to be.
Some say 3 min but it was no more than a minute bec it hit the site 2 min early and when it said sold out for me it was 1 minute to the top of the hour. Only if you were able to get on within 5-10 sec of it hitting would you have had a chance to get it before scalper bots gobbled them all up.
See I think it was a sdcc item that was changed to an online item at the last minute
Just buy a spare Zodac and He-Man, some black and brown paint. You have a Wundar!
Bam what
Not buying the Comic Con excuse. I’ve purchased many CC exclusives online and none sold out in under 2 minutes, nor did I later receive a refund and have my order canceled. Someone at Mattel screwed up big time. It’s a straight up repaint, so they could easily fix this issue if they truly cared.
I was lucky enough to score 3 in the first round of sales but I had to be super fast
You are super fast
Another mistery solved by Agent Spector again!
Excelsior!
Really hope they re-release him in retail
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!
Even though I could 100% see this, honestly....I think having Wun-Dar as a SDCC item or even a MattelCreations item was a poor choice; you said it yourself....it was in recent media. This could've gone to big box retail in an exclusive set, instead of being sold on MC; I mean......Kol-Darr I could see on MC; Wun-Dar....not so much. Thankfully...now that we know the truth about Wun-Dar, I didn't lose too much sleep over not getting him, and Kol-Darr was the one I wanted, and did successfully pre-order.
Scott, after watching your video still doesn't explain the real reason why Wun Dar sold out. Its Mattel! This is nothing surprising with Mattel. Its almost a Mattel motto, "Got to find ways to piss off fans".
You can say the figure was originally a SDCC exclusive but that doesn't explain why it's sold out right away or has a small production run. Look at other companies during the pandemic last year when they sold their exclusives online there was a good amount of numbers for the fans despite how limited it is. People actually have a chance.
Even attending the Comic-Con itself Mattel exclusive usually sold out really fast and it's not because it's a lot better than what other companies are making that's never the case. Mattel just make smaller numbers to piss off the fans.
As a toy company I don't see why Mattel can't do what other companies are doing just make a good amount of the Comic-Con exclusives sell them at the convention so that everyone attending during those four days would actually have a chance to purchase and if there's any leftover stall put them up online for people that's not as fortunate to be able to make it to San Diego. Maybe if a slightly different packaging or something like that or minus an exclusive pen/pin or t-shirt or something like that.
There's got to be a certain pride or satisfaction coming from the Mattel higher-ups knowing that they created a new term (Matty) to describe how bad they would screw their customers.
Scott regularly defends and makes exxuses for mattel crapping on their customers. I think the guy is just constantly auditioning for a future emploment opportunity
@@ytrefugee113 I mean I understand. To be fair Scott work at Mattel for a long time and gotten a lot of opportunities.
Even though there are jobs that I left that I am still grateful for them for giving me the opportunities.
And perhaps that's the thing there are things that working in the company that Scott sees and we don't.
Also the other way around sometimes what's happening doesn't necessarily reflect how customers feel about it.
For example I understand Mattel wants to make sure Comic-Con attendees are rewarded for attending and have exclusives for them available. But there are ways that you can ensure the convention exclusives are special and also be fair to people that cant attend. Like Hasbro has been doing.
I was able to add one to my cart about 2 hours after the initial sale time. After adding shipping and tax, I decided I didn't want to pay $26 for a 'basic' figure. I picked up an extra Battle Armor He-Man for $10 and I'm going to paint his hair and customize his chestplate logos.
The second round sales where by mistake. All orders where cancelled.
Mattel wants to make money. Fans want to buy toys. Mattel should make enough for fans to buy. HOW HARD IS THAT?
Because the inventory risk is too gréât if a product flops
The most marketable figure… that never existed! (In this form anyway).
Why leave money on the table…. 🤑
Hey at least Mattel released Pig Head at retail. That should be a big seller. So stupid. I Wun-Dar if Mattel will regret this decision. I know it has affected my decision to collect MOTU especially the origins line. I will just buy vintage.
Look why can't they just make him an Amazon exclusive or something and Mass produce him. You know I want him and everyone else so why can't we have him it's 2022 damn it. He's just an easy repaint it's not that hard it won't cost that much to reproduce.
They could, but last years team made him for sdcc and this years team sold him direct ignoring or changing the original plan
This sucked. It went out of stock as soon as I was checking out of my cart, lol. Especially sucks, coz Mattel really stepped their game up with Flying Fists and Terror Claws, which geuinnely felt like upgrades to their vintage ounterparts.
exclusives, the end of a collecting hobby. It was a terrible idea 20 years ago and it has become worse.
Too many variants