@@JeromeJ-vf6pbI would much rather you reply something about ops comment then Talk about the bots Anyways yeah youtube is better on that, even if it's 2 ads they're still like 10-15 seconds long Sometimes a minute but those are skippable
As a grown man with a career and little downtime, I'm not watching anything on twitch. No pausing, ridiculously long ads, and for some reason the video quality is always trash on my devices
Ikr! I watch content on my phone, and twitch UI/quality is AWFUL. I would much rather have the ability to watch on TH-cam. I’m fine with multi streaming. I just don’t want to deal with twitch. At all.
I checked out a Twitch stream recently and was hit with an unskippable 3-minute block of ads. Don't know about content creators, but I'm sticking with TH-cam streams.
As a die hard maximilian dood fan, i clicked on a stream of him playing a videogame i loved. Then saw i needed to watch like 15 ads to start watching. Closed it right away.
you can go back in a live stream if you go on their channel then past broadcasts and for some reason the live stream is there and you can go to the start
You can only rewind streams that allow it and MOST streamers disable that because it causes MASSSSSSSSIVEEE issues with buffering. If you're ever watching a stream that keeps having weird issues, 99.999999999999% of the time it is because of this.
Ludwig did describe it best for which viewers prefer which platform. The Chatters will prefer Twitch because of the culture there, while the lurkers who just want to be in the background watching the stream prefer TH-cam because it has the best player.
Lurkers are the silent majority. When I'm watching something, I don't care about chatters and don't even open chat, and therefore I vastly prefer TH-cam because of its player, the ability to pause/rewind/2x.
You’re right, but you also sound like an adult. Twitch is catering to parasocial kids who waste hours watching e-girls cosplay rather than living their own life. TH-cam is just for normal casual people. Like us.
@@gabycashy5 true but besides the point, you have to go and download add-ons which will need to be updated every few weeks due to twitch adblocking patching, the fact the user needs additional programs to make twitch bearable shows how out of touch twitch actually is
Twitch might be good for streamers, but bad for watchers. I am pushed away from twitch each time I use it. Terrible ads, no pause or rewind functions, subpar search features
@@TauEnjoyeridk about pc but twitch mobile is a nightmare to use and I don’t own a pc or laptop. You can’t even sub with prime on mobile and it’s just not user friendly
ppl need to stop with the "ad" excuse, there's TWITCHADBLOCK + PURPLE ADBLOCK + TWITCHADBLOCK PLUS + MANY OTHER FKNG ADS BLOCKER STOP WITH THE ADS EXCUSE JESUST!!!! even tampermonkey and ublock have stuff for twitch ads yo 💀
@michealrosen I don't like what they're doing, but I do like the bots ruining Beast's image further. Mrbeast is a scummy buffoon who rigs challenges, promotes illegal child lotteries and most of all, hires convicted pedophiles to work in an industry who's target audience are children.
Its kinda funny that twitch doesnt has this feature, it has it to some degree. IF the streamer has vods enabled (rip to all bathtub streamers) you can go to their channel and see the actual stream as a vod, so you potentially can go back if the streamer is streaming for idk 50min and u missed the start, if the streams has vod disabled then it doesnt work ofc.
I prefer watching TH-cam streams personally because I already have TH-cam and Twitch ALWAYS bugs out; whether it’s on mobile, pc, or even Samsung Fridge
One of the greatest thing on youtube streaming, is that by having premium I don’t have to see ads on any streamers I watch, rather than just the people i sub to Edit: people arguing that twitch has turbo, come on now, twitch is just for streaming, while youtube is literally for most things; music, live streams and even twitch vods. Ps: i pay under 2 dollars for it, and i want people i watch to get payed.
Notice how almost all the comments say they prefer TH-cam streaming over Twitch? People like the fewer number of ads, the ability to rewind streams, and VODs automatically getting saved and permanently archived. Also, TH-cam premium is cheaper than Twitch Turbo and more useful imo since it comes with TH-cam music and also allows ad free viewing on both regular videos and livestreams.
Notice how all the comments have 0 traction and most likely not from North America 😅 We will and continue to live the way we want and pick and choose what we do? What’s new we make the way things are done
As a user; any time I think “hey maybe I could watch this dudes Twitch stream for a bit” I am immediately reminded why I never use Twitch. Genuinely one of the worst user experiences of all time. I love getting hit with six ads every eleven minutes.
It's not even just the ads, there's something inherently repellent about that site for me even before being hit with ads. I don't mean in a visceral disgust sort of a way or anything like that, I just can't bring myself to check or use the platform, then of course the sheer amount of ads seals the deal on that for me lol.
@JayneAFK no yeah why are you so right about this. The guy who made the original comment too, If I ever want to watch a VOD of a streamer I look for an archive channel on yt
i feel that way about the twitch chat, it repels me just as much as the ads. too colorfully distracting, too many moving emotes and emote spamming, it feels like one of those tiktoks where subway surfers is just playing on the side for some reason.
Poor! Plus fell off plus can’t get a job and pay for entertainment then complain and make it other peoples problem when they are having fun . YEP sounds really fun brother ma
I understand the streamer themselves but I can't see why a viewer would prefer Twitch. You get like 4-8 minutes of ads every so often and it's a horrible experience. TH-cam to my knowledge doesn't do that, at least with the streamers I watch, Charlie being one of them.
As a casual viewer TH-cam streaming is by far the best streaming experience that exists. It's higher quality, no ads, and lets me actually go back and catch up or re-watch things live. People go back to Twitch because all the other streamers are on Twitch, they'd rather be on the OG platform than the platform which is actually objectively better for their viewers. I imagine streamers make enormously more money from the bombardment of ads they subject their viewers to, and just make up that TH-cam is (somehow) worse. Just be honest - Streamers want those buckets of money Amazon is throwing out.
Well, if you do live streaming as a job, of course you're going to go wherever you get more money. I don't really see even with "real" jobs why you would choose a lesser paying job when the experience for you is the same or even better on the better paying job. Yeah, the technical aspects of Twitch are barebones compared to TH-cam, but Charlie mentioned it multiple times, there's a culture on Twitch chats that just doesn't exist on TH-cam, the discoverability on TH-cam is non-existent so unless you have an audience built beforehand, nobody is ever going to know about your stream, and as a streamer, interactions with an audience are just thousand times more exciting on Twitch and people are more willing to throw money at you. It's clear why people would choose Twitch instead.
@@CoTeCiOtm the discoverability on Twitch is non-existent so unless you have an audience built beforehand, nobody is ever going to know about your stream, I actually knows more streamers who started from nothing on TH-cam than twitch, but the numbers are super few anyway. It's always about marketting for both platform a.k.a the "popular friends" you can secure and has 0 to do with discoverability in the first place.
@@Frzned9x yeah, TH-cam can sometimes just give you some random 100 view video on the recommendation depending on what you like watching recently. There have been lots of example of TH-camrs using the algorithm and went from only a few hundred views to thousands and even reach tenth and hundredth thousands of views by being smart with the algorithm.
@@itsarin2166 Video views and streaming are 2 different things, someone can hit millions of videos view yet have very little live viewership when they do stream. At the end of the day, marketting is everything for both platform. It's not about which platform has better "discoverability" they are equally shit. It's about how many friends you can make.
@@Coffee17990TH-cam streaming isn’t like that at all. You get 1 to 2 ads when clicking then you’re good for as long as you stay. However TH-cam videos can get ridiculous. I like to leave on long videos when I fall asleep, and I notice only when I’m watching those longer videos I get hit with insanely long ads and somewhat often. They get me good cuz I’ll fall asleep and never know I was watching a 50 minute ad 😂
I don’t think TH-cam Streaming is a failure, I prefer the TH-cam interface over Twitch by FAR + not only is it a streaming site, it’s connected to the largest video platform in the world, so audiences transfer over.
Especially after the recent Twitch mobile update, instead I use an app called "frosty" and it literally just gives me pretty much everything from PC (add-on emotes, quick-replies, etc.) and I can also click the little refresh button a few times so the ads fail to load in so in that way it kinda has its own adblock, all that said though TH-cam's VOD system absolutely smacks Twitch's VOD system, hands down
Twitch is unbelievably buggy, and I hate the fact that pre-roll ads are almost 6-7 minutes. That’s insane to me, and it pushes people away from streamers in the long run.
certainly the smaller streamers, or discovering new streamers. People will only sit through 6 minutes of ads if they know they will get great content on the other side of them, so Twitch actively shoots itself in the foot for supporting smaller streamers.
It entirely depends on the streamer on how many ads they play. I know because i watch one slightly big streamer who only puts the bare minimum of ads allowed, usually only 1-2, for the entire stream. So i like to watch them more because those ads are played in the start. So 6-7 minute ads every 20 min is entirely the streamer's choice.
@@PekologyPre-roll ads happen on every stream, unless the streamer specifically chooses to do mid-roll ads instead. Pre-roll ads on a livestream when you're trying to join to see what's happening NOW are annoying as hell, but they're the default.
I'm from a spanish-speaking community and youtube is just 10x bigger on youtube, and a LOT better for discoverability. In twitch I never ever see new people, in TH-cam I constantly get messages like "oh my god I haven't seen Age of Empires 2 in years, loving it" So it's really cool for me
awesome to hear your thoughts on the matter! glad youve been able to find your niche in this large space, ive not seen age of empires in a long time myself. as for the bot, you know the drill. dont interact with them, just report and move on with your day
im asian and youtube also massive in asia compared to twitch. like 99% of vtubers in asia who don't speak english pretty much prefer on youtube. twitch for small streamer just bad because viewers really need to put some effort to find them on bottom of the category while on youtube they will recommend us as long as we match with one of our interest regardless what game they play. im manchester united fans and watch the united stand and i still got recommended stream from anfield agenda, it's liverpool fan channel and united rival. i watch vtuber and still got recommended 10 ccv vtubers and they don't even play the game i usually watch on youtube
@jimmyyfga-p8n ohh god! We are a different culture and that’s ok! You guys do you man ! Just don’t interfere with us as we do not EVER try to come over there and mess with your content at all EVER EVER 😂
yup, same here! im not in the US, im in the middle east, and my channel is extremely small. but when i stream here, i see new chatters! on twitch, it happens once in a blue moon.
I feel the EXACT opposite about chat on each platform. Twitch chat is such a manic, chaotic mess, I don't even bother trying to talk because my voice gets drowned out by all the noise. On TH-cam however, not only have I been able to actually get my chat read by the streamers I've watched, but even more impressively I'm able to actually talk to other chatters and have an actual discussion! And with the ability to highlight your message with super chats, I firmly believe TH-cam offers a WAY better chat experience than Twitch! I do believe as a content creator, if you're ONLY focused on streaming and don't do any regular video content, than sure, I can see the argument for sticking to Twitch. But if you do also do regular videos on top of streaming, I really believe TH-cam is the preferred platform for long term growth. But like you say at the end, I agree that regardless, using both to dual stream with definitely seems like the best approach, even if it was just for the better vod you get from TH-cam honestly.
I really don't understand how Twitch has so much more viewership with the ridiculous ads they have, like is it mostly bots? WHO IS WATCHING THESE ADS? TH-cam's discovery is trash so I rarely watch streams at all, the few times I go to Twitch I get immediately reminded why I don't stick around
twitch ads are cancer, i will never, ever go back to watching on those platforms. skipping an ad in 5 seconds is so much better then 4 minutes of absolute turbo aids.
oh stop with the "ad" excuse, there's TWITCHADBLOCK + PURPLE ADBLOCK + TWITCHADBLOCK PLUS + MANY OTHER FKNG ADS BLOCKER STOP WITH THE ADS EXCUSE JESUST!!!! even tampermonkey and ublock have stuff for twitch ads yo 💀
Streaming on twitch may be better, but watching on youtube is WAY better. Twitch has LOOOOONG ads (unskipable) you can rewind Twitch's lags way more while watching and you can't select lower quality on small streamers to make it go quicker It is also hard to find sub catagories of games, which I am into.
TH-cam is better. No prerolls, no midrolls no ads at all, even if you're not a member for a channel you still get 100% of the content. As a viewer it's a much better experience.
God, these fucking bots are getting horrible. But yeah, other than getting free shit in games through prime gaming and twitch drops, I don’t use twitch unless I just really want to watch someone who’s only ever on twitch.
twitch is purely for the parasocial interaction. I dont get it otherwise. the stuff they do or the "content" is incredibly boring to me like cooking streams? bruh. gaming all day? i can do that stuff myself lol I dont need a digital friend to play games for me.
@@cowpersonwtf I think hes saying that having so many ads makes you click off a stream so then smaller streamers lose viewers due to things out of their control not that 11 viewers is bad
@@cowpersonwtf you choose to run ads on your twitch. Twitch doesn’t make you. Trying to monetize and bombard your 10 viewers with ads is ridiculous. Side note-Why do you care what I do? I was literally only speaking for myself.
@@michaeldominy5526 No, Twitch forces ads for small streamers and the small streamers don't profit from them. You need to be a Twitch Partner to profit from and decide when ads play and even then, you don't decide all of them. Twitch will still force ads sometimes
I would always get raided by this stream that raided people abt to win on Fortnite n I’d always get full of adrenaline seeing the numbers go up lol, found a good streaming community too, I always tuned in and had a good time watching their streams, good times bro, I was sad when I tried to stream one day and it wasn’t even an option
@@RealSkyCube Blame Microsoft, the creators of Mixer were given so many promises but after it was bought, Microsoft kept denying it to them and turned Mixer into a console streaming app similar to PlayStation's. What happened to Mixer is currently what Roblox is doing to Guilded. These companies give promises, but in the end, they drive out the people in charge and replace it with their own. When I saw the creators of Mixer leave, I immediately knew it was over.
I can’t speak for the creators but as a viewer I like it because I don’t have to have to keep switching between twitch and TH-cam if I want to watch something
37 y old here, I much prefer youtube streaming. No ads with premium, but streamers should do what suits them. Whichever platform better pays the bills.
@@xxPenjoxx To me it looks like only the big TH-camrs are complaining about this. I’ve never heard any of the big guys talking about “shadow banning” or how the algorithm makes it much harder in general for small guys to get traction. I find the little guys have the most fun and interactive streams.
Hi 35 but I also have the common sense to see the parallels between TH-cam premium and Twitch turbo and I’m not completely regarded that sense oops😂😂😂😂😂😂
@joshuaSand3rs paying premium on twitch gets you one subscription, yt premium is around 14.99. So subs to every single yt channel for the price of three twitch
Thanks to VTubers, I prefer TH-cam for streaming by far. The only people I know that don't like TH-cam streaming are Twitch streamers that got comfortable with Twitch's layout for years and have trouble adapting to TH-cam.
TH-cam is superior as a viewer. I haven’t watched a twitch stream in a year or more. Last time i tried, i got hit with idk how many minutes of unskippable ads. There is no shot i’m sitting through that every 20-30 minutes.
I genuinely don’t understand the streaming culture on twitch, i can’t force my self to type something out while watching a stream, i just treat it as a youtube vid
Yeah I don’t instant it either. I also don’t understand the statement at 7:16 about chat. Twitch chat looks just as bad as TH-cam chat. It’s either so horribly fast you can’t make out what’s going on or it’s filled with a handful of people having a conversation with each other, having inside jokes and not including othera
@@UnhumanNewmanI agree with both of ya, I just prefer TH-cam overall, not that many ads, I can rewind/pause until the stream gets back to a higher resolution, there’s no incentives to spend money, and what I consider to be a bonus, no moderation (as far as I know of) in TH-cam streams. There is one thing that can tick me off it’s when I write a long paragraph to answer a question a streamer asks on twitch only to be deleted by a mod. It’s also unlikely to get banned on TH-cam or from a TH-cam stream. The only thing I can understand about the so called “Twitch Culture” is that they can use Pepe and unique emotes, highlighting messages by using ‘channel points,’ and using ‘Channel Points’ for other stuff like sound effects. Other than that, they are equals in cringe.
@@UnhumanNewman it's not as bad in smaller streamers chats. Cause everyone is in on the jokes, and everyone can see the messages, including both streamer and chat. I actually prefer watching small streamers to the larger ones cause of that (tho I still love the vids that both make)
I would always do everything I could to find a recording on TH-cam to avoid having to use and navigate Twitch. Not to mention the more distasteful forcing of ads.
The worst part about twitch other than the people running it is they auto delete VODs older than a month or a few months unless you save them which not everyone does. Lot of legendary streams that are lost to time because of this
As the majority of comments I've seen I fully agree that for watchers, youtube is better, while for streamers, twitch is better. Us watchers prefer youtube not only for the ads that we are subjected to on Twitch but also because of the rewind/pause/fast forward buttons; while on the other hand streamers prefer twitch for the discoverability but mostly for the money
I think Hololivers just have a better idea of how TH-cam streams are. They give a show for their viewers. I feel like Twitch is more about the interaction between the streamer and audience.
The only dogwater thing about TH-cam streaming, especially for vtubers, is that TH-cam regularly rolls out updates that culls the concurrent viewers. Last month everyone, especially vtubers, was hit by a 25-100% cull in ccv. Some streamers even showed NEGATIVE ccv.
I like TH-cam over Twitch because on TH-cam, the content will always be there. If a video is made, that video will not disappear like a lot of Twitch VODs do. TH-cam has an entire page just for stream VODs, and theyre saved by default. On Twitch, the VODs delete themselves, that content is ephemeral, and temporay, while it lasts much longer, maybe even forever, if on TH-cam. I work often, and many of my favorite streamers stream while I'm working, or they stream at the same time as other streamers I also want to watch. TH-cam's permanent VOD system means that I don't need to feel pressured to watch them before they're gone. And yes, most Twitch vods do get archived on that streamers YT channel or a separate archive channel, but that still leads back to TH-cam.
Can’t even watch twitch anymore. The ridiculous amount of ads, the new update for mobile, and the annoying glitch I keep having where VODs kept restarting after I watched an ad.
TH-cam is so much better as a viewer. The ads are so long, like 3+ minutes is insane. But I could get over that. And my biggest issue, no playback on live and no pausing where you are. And the player messes up so much more.
@@raz9305what’s the point of using addons when I can nullify the whole process by just using TH-cam. If you need addons to make a website bearable then you should probably just find a better alternative. The only exception to that rule is adblock.
I am an odd one out here: I've been trying dual streaming this year and I've had a lot of fun with it. Discoverability on Twitch has been fantastic for me (have gained ~100 followers there and am almost affiliated, YAY), but I've racked in a bunch of TH-cam subs and people that regularly come back to my streams because of my sterams and less because of the videos I post. This is coming from someone who started this year with like ~125 subs on YT and now almost 600. I'm obviously a small creator, but when looking at my analytics, I can credit a substantial amount of that growth and the boost in regular video watch hours to people discovering me via streams. Also, a pretty good number of the people that have come by me on Twitch have moved to TH-cam because that is where my chat is the most lively. Obviously it's not the same for everyone, just sharing my experience as a small creator as it seems to contradict what larger creators say in terms of discoverability.
I've also had way better discoverability on youtube than in twitch. The most growth my TH-cam channel has had has been from live streams. There definitely seems to be separate audiences for videos and streams though
I’m in the same boat, I would stream more if it wasn’t for work and school, but unlike my times of trying on twitch, I have regulars on TH-cam who come by just to chat. I also like doing wacky thumbnails if I have the time to sit and photoshop a fever dream together
So if they improved the system and did what you want is it would take away all the benefits Charlie said for money making for the contact creator😂 twitch is 🗑
@paulreynolds7103 Yes, fewer ads means less money, but I barely touch Twitch now, so I'm still not giving money to Twitch or Charlie (or other streamers)
One thing I will say is I joined your channel from the app. I didn't have to go on any other third party platform or a browser to do it. It is on the app and a simple button
As someone with a full-time career & family/friends/hobbies/pets, I never watch livestreams; seems like a huge waste of time vs. watching edited content on TH-cam.
Preroll ads kills Twitch for me. They are way too long. I gave up trying to get into Twitch when I clicked a stream and it’s seriously 2minutes+ unskippable ads before I even get the chance to hear the streamer
9:00 I'm sorry but this is the complete opposite of the truth. As a small-scale streamer the numbers don't even compare. TH-cam has WAY WAY WAY more visibility and growth than twitch for small-time multristreamers and much better long-term viewer adoption (subscriber vs follower). The incumbent effect makes being a small streamer on twitch absolutely miserable, you get buried alive in the 0 viewers zone without tremendous effort.
Yeah in my experience YT has been way better for getting new viewers and even people talking in chat than twitch as a small streamer. I think youtube maybe has a bit of an algorithm problem tho where it'll only really recommend small streamers to people who engage with smaller streamers or by chance if they already enjoy the content you're streaming
Most of Charlie's takes are the complete opposite of truth in my experience, but we watch because he delivers them in a weirdly entertaining way. My recommendation is to keep reminding yourself that these are the takes of the ultimate Florida man.
@@known_fact that’s why I support the smaller guys like you. I’ve never heard any of these guys with millions of subs talk about “shadow banning” or getting pushed down in the algorithm. You’ve got my support buddy 👍
I am seriously done with Twitch.. getting bombarded with 1,000 ads for the app to crash and then have to sit through them again and it takes the entire screen and I can’t watch the stream until they are done and since I can’t rewind I missed everything that happened. Idc how much more money the people I watch make versus TH-cam if all I’m watching is ads and not the person streaming
So you're saying on TH-cam I get a higher quality stream with little to no intrusive ads and the chat isn't a bunch of children screaming poggers Streamers are focusing on the child audience, not the quality of the content. Kids like twitch, kids give these adults money and put them on pedestals. That's the difference
Man, how old are u? Why are you talking like every stream is Ninja stream, have ever watch one? And like, talking about kids??? are u 70?? Sound like me dad when i use the computer and im almost 30
nah im a youtube livestream enthusiast to my core. twitch is overrun with ads and in my experience just a buggy website at its core. i honestly cant remember the last time i went on twitch.
So long as Twitch has 5+ minute ads whenever you try to tune in to a stream, and shitty player options, TH-cam will be the superior, but underrated choice. Better to just wait for the VoD to drop to watch what happens on a Twitch stream
Twitch is honestly better in just chat integration. Other than that it is terrible in terms of video quality. It either bugs out, buffers a lot, you get ads all the time, and the only way you get the most out of Twitch as a viewer is spending money.
for the price it costs me to buy a couple of things on Twitch to actually enjoy it, i could get a months worth of TH-camPremium no ads and unlimited music too! its a joke
@@TallicaMan1986 chat interaction is like the whole point of streams, without that it's just long unedited video. On youtube stream chat reads like a youtube comment section, except worse somehow
@@PSiOO2The main difference I see between the two chats as an NL watcher, is that a lot of the time it seems like actual lobotomites watch Twitch streams and then insane asylum patients watch the vods. The people in twitch chat have nothing better to do with their day so they spend all day spamming the same emote or question, where people on TH-cam sit and watch thinking they’re better because they sit and watch alone without direct interaction. It’s genuinely two sides of the same neurotic coin.
One of your comments literally says you went from the hub to youtube, your switching from adult video sites to another video content site “got a life outside of watching content”
Another reason I prefer TH-cam over Twitch is because some of the local telco companies have a separate quota for some apps, and TH-cam is one of them. That save me a lot of since it's separate from daily quota usage, it's cheaper, and I get to watch TH-cam a lot on my phone mostly on lunch break and while I'm driving.
Entirely different culture, and it's primarily driven by Japanese viewers who didn't start off with Twitch. English vtubers tend to follow the same "Twitch is usually better or do mix streaming" trend, Vshojo and idol does both, and it's really only in the JP side of things where YT streams work well on their own
I think this says more about livestreaming in general. I feel like since the pandemic ended and people have time to do stuff, livestreaming has just become less popular bc people don't want to spend half of their time awake watching someone play a video game. Especially when the audience knows there will be a highly edited video of the stream coming out with all the interesting parts and none of the down time.
As a tiny streamer, I have found far more success streaming on TH-cam than I have Twitch. I get mostly bots on Twitch. I’m sure it’s different for larger content creators but I personally don’t get the hype behind Twitch
@@alphakowaclips personal experience, as someone who has created for both platforms, TH-cam is more likely to give newer creators a shot, whereas Twitch is horrible about promoting new creators.
ngl i love the dual streams bc i'm often on youtube watching whatever but when i see a live stream going on from my fav twitch streamer, it lets me know they're streaming and i go to watch on twitch.
So the major takeaway from watching the video and reading the comments is that the audience actually mostly prefers TH-cam due to the lack of time in their schedules however content creators prefer Twitch for Live-streaming because TH-cam as a platform doesn’t cater to them nearly as much as Twitch has
Twitch's "ad breaks" still suck. Especially when the stream is still running - it's not a break if the stream is still running! It's just an interruption!
TH-cam makes a ton of sense if you only stream occasionally and have an existing channel audience. Twitch only works if you stream frequently, but is way better if you do since your stream is only competing with other streams, while on TH-cam there is a ton of non-livestream content that you have to compete with.
I think it's the main difference between communities, much less direct interactions on TH-cam. it's part of the design and philosophy of the websites, no pms on TH-cam for exemple. I see TH-cam as a library, and Twitch as a TV 2.0.
9:00 - Absolutely not true. I get recommended small streams all the time. In fact, right beside this video, I have a recommendation to a gaming stream with 2 viewers.
@@CoTeCiOtm Like at least one a day, often two or three. That's only small streamers. Not including those I'm subbed to or bigger ones. YT just recommends you what you're watching.
Imma be honest I got more viewers in YT than I ever did on Twitch.. YT is really good for just casual streaming, and just chatting talking about games and stuff.. When I tried streaming in Twitch literally had nobody to talk to for like 2-3 weeks straight lol
I pretty much stopped watching twitch nowadays after watching hololive streams. When successful channels have like hololive have sorted everything out, have great engagement, high viewership, youtube streams just outclass anything that twitch does, better player, higher quality streams, no ads etc.
My main problem is I've already got a small following on TH-cam, and I don't want to leave that now just because Twitch might grow me faster. While I understand the importance of having a community, I'm not too much of a fan Twitch culture, nor do I like Twitch Stream player
I never thought TH-cam would overtake Twitch, as someone that lives on TH-cam, uses it all day every day, I still only ever use Twitch for streams, the site just works better for it, feels nicer, has a bigger and imo better community, has better emotes, including my own, etc.. Tbh, I rarely watch streams at all these days besides at early hours of the morning when I can't sleep but even if I see someone live on my TH-cam sub panel I never feel the urge to click it. I also don't know if it's due to a higher distribution of kids on TH-cam vs twitch but live chats feel even more hive minded and low IQ or potentially botted on TH-cam streams and shorts comments than on twitch, the only real negative with twitch is the amount of ads you can get but I don't really tend to have that issue because I don't live in 20k Andy stream chats, I more often watch a friend with a much smaller chat, streamers only responding to donations isn't a stream vibe I enjoy, those types of streams send me to TH-cam, not for live content, but for highlight videos (I.E Summit) I also have a lot of friends that stream, a couple of them moved from Twitch to TH-cam and at first they were super excited and loving it because they were getting better rev splits but after the initial housewarming gift of subs, so to speak, they got nothing for months after that, TH-cam viewers are much more likely to watch a stream and never donate because that's what they do with all the other content they consume on here
I get around one stream recommended to me per day. Maybe 2 on occasion. Recent stream vods however is 30% of my recommendations. I mightve gotten more recommendations to livestreams but 99% of youtube streamers i watch are outside of my timezone. So its like, most streams are around early af mornings or late af evenings. And thats not something twitch or youtube can change… atleast i can get the vods. Recommendations to streamers i dont watch happen maybe a few times per month. But i also use youtubegaming where its easier to just find streams for games. Since the live tab is mostly for non gaming streams i find. But even as bad as youtube recommended is, its still way fucking easier to discover new streamers than on twitch. To find new streamers on twitch, i just come from youtube anyway.
@@elclark_idThe algorithm feed, and if you go to your subscriptions tab, you'll see the people who's live from right on top, but I think people just forget that's a thing, and the mobile app pushes shorts more
YT streaming is dominated by vtubers and they do numbers that these people leaving don’t. The ones switching back just aren’t the biggest and they can’t see that. The biggest are doing it without contracts on YT and just aren’t English speaking.
I still prefer youtube cause i don’t want a 6 minute ad every time i open a stream
I agree. It’s annoying to see so many other things besides the content I wanted to watch
@@JeromeJ-vf6pbusing bruh and bro in the same sentence is alpha
And you can rewind and pause live
@@JeromeJ-vf6pbI would much rather you reply something about ops comment then Talk about the bots
Anyways yeah youtube is better on that, even if it's 2 ads they're still like 10-15 seconds long
Sometimes a minute but those are skippable
I wish you could block people on youtube
TH-cam is way better for those of us who just want to watch livestreams like they’re regular videos. I hate Twitch’s video player and VOD system.
this
Yeah I pause, go back if I missed something skip forward etc and twitch just feels clunky compared. The ads are also way worse on Twitch.
Same
TH-cam better for viewers twitch better for streamers
I like it more for tv. I live when my favorite twitch streamers start doing simulateous streams on both platforms.
As a grown man with a career and little downtime, I'm not watching anything on twitch. No pausing, ridiculously long ads, and for some reason the video quality is always trash on my devices
Ikr! I watch content on my phone, and twitch UI/quality is AWFUL. I would much rather have the ability to watch on TH-cam. I’m fine with multi streaming. I just don’t want to deal with twitch. At all.
For real. And sometimes I like the slow chats. The occasional conversation. It's more relaxed.
Yeah I can’t wrap my head around how Twitch ever found success to begin with let alone now but people flock to it for some reason.
yup i agree, youtube is very easy to use and i already use it often so no need for me to use twitch
@jimmyyfga-p8nkys.
I’m so glad people are talking about the ads on twitch. It’s quite literally miserable
Some ppl have 10 minute ads every 20 minutes no joke
And that says something given the whole adblock situation on TH-cam.
I will watch a youtube VOD every day before I ever watch a Twitch vod. The number of ads you get on Twitch is psychotic
Facts
Twitch viewers love those slop gaming ads that say gamer every 5 seconds
Well yeah but you're a youtube commentor. People on youtube, commenting on youtube, like youtube. Who would have guessed.
While Twitch is bad TH-cam is also pretty bad in the ad department. At least with vids.
@@profanegaming2829Why so salty?
I checked out a Twitch stream recently and was hit with an unskippable 3-minute block of ads. Don't know about content creators, but I'm sticking with TH-cam streams.
I had twitch open for Rust drops recently. I’m not exaggerating when I say that 50% of the time I looked at my other monitor, an ad was playing.
@jimmyyfga-p8n you're cringe
You people are such unbelievable entitled crybabies, want all the content for free at all times with no ads and no one getting paid, apparently.
As a die hard maximilian dood fan, i clicked on a stream of him playing a videogame i loved.
Then saw i needed to watch like 15 ads to start watching. Closed it right away.
If the creators mostly go to Twitch…how would that work though?
Even streams that have a multistream, I’ll watch on TH-cam. You can PAUSE and REWIND twitch could never comprehend this dark magic
Strider with a good take as usual
yo its funny roblos fps man i liek
Combat initiation
Noobs in combat
Hellmet
you can go back in a live stream if you go on their channel then past broadcasts and for some reason the live stream is there and you can go to the start
You can only rewind streams that allow it and MOST streamers disable that because it causes MASSSSSSSSIVEEE issues with buffering. If you're ever watching a stream that keeps having weird issues, 99.999999999999% of the time it is because of this.
@@joeflemo64that's a ridiculous amount of steps for something that should be integrated into the player.
Ludwig did describe it best for which viewers prefer which platform. The Chatters will prefer Twitch because of the culture there, while the lurkers who just want to be in the background watching the stream prefer TH-cam because it has the best player.
Also twitch mobile experience is simply miserable
Lurkers are the silent majority. When I'm watching something, I don't care about chatters and don't even open chat, and therefore I vastly prefer TH-cam because of its player, the ability to pause/rewind/2x.
You’re right, but you also sound like an adult. Twitch is catering to parasocial kids who waste hours watching e-girls cosplay rather than living their own life. TH-cam is just for normal casual people. Like us.
True i watch livestream as any other video
they're just websites to me lol I already pay for youtube red so if I do watch a stream I won't get interrupted by an ad no need to touch twitch
@@zac-1yo you are an og calling it TH-cam Red
@@buffywasright I like TH-cam better but stop stroking your ego
TH-cam streams having playback and no ads makes twitch unwatchable
theres an addon that allow you to hide ads and add a playback system
@@gabycashy5 would you happen to know the name of it?
@@gabycashy5I'd like to know about the name of this add-on too!
@@gabycashy5 the fact that modders understand the community better than twitch is hilarious
@@gabycashy5 true but besides the point, you have to go and download add-ons which will need to be updated every few weeks due to twitch adblocking patching, the fact the user needs additional programs to make twitch bearable shows how out of touch twitch actually is
Twitch might be good for streamers, but bad for watchers. I am pushed away from twitch each time I use it. Terrible ads, no pause or rewind functions, subpar search features
Perfect explanation
the only positives are the stuff streamers do with the platform
It’s crazy to me how they have tons of clips on there but no way to search them.
get ublock origin like every mentally capable human using twitch hello?
@@TauEnjoyeridk about pc but twitch mobile is a nightmare to use and I don’t own a pc or laptop. You can’t even sub with prime on mobile and it’s just not user friendly
The amount of ads on Twitch is still nuts
ppl need to stop with the "ad" excuse, there's TWITCHADBLOCK + PURPLE ADBLOCK + TWITCHADBLOCK PLUS + MANY OTHER FKNG ADS BLOCKER
STOP WITH THE ADS EXCUSE JESUST!!!! even tampermonkey and ublock have stuff for twitch ads yo 💀
Thee TrueUnderDawgGaming, it's an honor🙏
but the rewind feature is so good it’s hard to go back to twitch
@Joseph-15411wow a mrbeast bot the worst type of bot, Mr beasts a fraud
@michealrosen I don't like what they're doing, but I do like the bots ruining Beast's image further. Mrbeast is a scummy buffoon who rigs challenges, promotes illegal child lotteries and most of all, hires convicted pedophiles to work in an industry who's target audience are children.
Yeah, like why's that not a default thing on twitch?
Its not a feature. Its just something twitch doesnt have for some reason
Its kinda funny that twitch doesnt has this feature, it has it to some degree.
IF the streamer has vods enabled (rip to all bathtub streamers) you can go to their channel and see the actual stream as a vod, so you potentially can go back if the streamer is streaming for idk 50min and u missed the start, if the streams has vod disabled then it doesnt work ofc.
I prefer watching TH-cam streams personally because I already have TH-cam and Twitch ALWAYS bugs out; whether it’s on mobile, pc, or even Samsung Fridge
And my adblocker works on youtube while twitchgives be ads on how to cure cancer
A Samsung fridge?
Hell yeah, a fellow Samsung smart fridge TH-cam viewer
Oh wow the bots are gon
I've lost so much wait since watching TH-cam ony fridge. I never want to open it because then I can't see the video
One of the greatest thing on youtube streaming, is that by having premium I don’t have to see ads on any streamers I watch, rather than just the people i sub to
Edit: people arguing that twitch has turbo, come on now, twitch is just for streaming, while youtube is literally for most things; music, live streams and even twitch vods.
Ps: i pay under 2 dollars for it, and i want people i watch to get payed.
You get the same if you use twitch turbo.
@@Cethil you don’t need TH-cam premium for that. Just get an ad blocker
We have a rich guy , Premium ha 😅
@@Biginthepants nah where I live with college discount its under 2 dollars man
@@zitriphyer8429 I mostly watch on my phone and with youtube music and background play is just more convenient than jumping hoops.
Multi-streaming and reaching different audiences on both platforms makes sense. Utilize both for maximum exposure.
Notice how almost all the comments say they prefer TH-cam streaming over Twitch? People like the fewer number of ads, the ability to rewind streams, and VODs automatically getting saved and permanently archived. Also, TH-cam premium is cheaper than Twitch Turbo and more useful imo since it comes with TH-cam music and also allows ad free viewing on both regular videos and livestreams.
Notice how all the comments have 0 traction and most likely not from North America 😅 We will and continue to live the way we want and pick and choose what we do? What’s new we make the way things are done
I have no idea what the comment above me is yapping about but i agree with the main comment
@LeftInStone ahaha indeed that guy managed to write 10 lines and to still make 0 sense
being able to download videos for trips is huge too
@@emanuele9238 Sadge can’t even count ! Can’t get a girlfriend . . . Lost souls in the void
As a user; any time I think “hey maybe I could watch this dudes Twitch stream for a bit” I am immediately reminded why I never use Twitch. Genuinely one of the worst user experiences of all time. I love getting hit with six ads every eleven minutes.
It's not even just the ads, there's something inherently repellent about that site for me even before being hit with ads. I don't mean in a visceral disgust sort of a way or anything like that, I just can't bring myself to check or use the platform, then of course the sheer amount of ads seals the deal on that for me lol.
@JayneAFK no yeah why are you so right about this.
The guy who made the original comment too, If I ever want to watch a VOD of a streamer I look for an archive channel on yt
i feel that way about the twitch chat, it repels me just as much as the ads. too colorfully distracting, too many moving emotes and emote spamming, it feels like one of those tiktoks where subway surfers is just playing on the side for some reason.
Poor! Plus fell off plus can’t get a job and pay for entertainment then complain and make it other peoples problem when they are having fun . YEP sounds really fun brother ma
Then try watch twitch on phone...you got the worst experience..
I understand the streamer themselves but I can't see why a viewer would prefer Twitch. You get like 4-8 minutes of ads every so often and it's a horrible experience. TH-cam to my knowledge doesn't do that, at least with the streamers I watch, Charlie being one of them.
To avoid the ads on twitch I just use a VPN and set my location to south Korea
@@TheToucherOfgrass Thanks for the tip
@@TheToucherOfgrass so I have to pay for a VPN? that isn't really a solution, might as well for turbo at that rate
Use a free one😢@@jazitbe
To be fair though interacting in TH-cam chat is near impossible due to fucking bots
As a casual viewer TH-cam streaming is by far the best streaming experience that exists. It's higher quality, no ads, and lets me actually go back and catch up or re-watch things live.
People go back to Twitch because all the other streamers are on Twitch, they'd rather be on the OG platform than the platform which is actually objectively better for their viewers. I imagine streamers make enormously more money from the bombardment of ads they subject their viewers to, and just make up that TH-cam is (somehow) worse.
Just be honest - Streamers want those buckets of money Amazon is throwing out.
Well, if you do live streaming as a job, of course you're going to go wherever you get more money. I don't really see even with "real" jobs why you would choose a lesser paying job when the experience for you is the same or even better on the better paying job. Yeah, the technical aspects of Twitch are barebones compared to TH-cam, but Charlie mentioned it multiple times, there's a culture on Twitch chats that just doesn't exist on TH-cam, the discoverability on TH-cam is non-existent so unless you have an audience built beforehand, nobody is ever going to know about your stream, and as a streamer, interactions with an audience are just thousand times more exciting on Twitch and people are more willing to throw money at you. It's clear why people would choose Twitch instead.
@@CoTeCiOtm the discoverability on Twitch is non-existent so unless you have an audience built beforehand, nobody is ever going to know about your stream,
I actually knows more streamers who started from nothing on TH-cam than twitch, but the numbers are super few anyway.
It's always about marketting for both platform a.k.a the "popular friends" you can secure and has 0 to do with discoverability in the first place.
@@Frzned9x yeah, TH-cam can sometimes just give you some random 100 view video on the recommendation depending on what you like watching recently.
There have been lots of example of TH-camrs using the algorithm and went from only a few hundred views to thousands and even reach tenth and hundredth thousands of views by being smart with the algorithm.
@@CoTeCiOtm I agree with most of what you said, but TH-cam keeps recommending me videos and streams with 0 or 2 views
@@itsarin2166 Video views and streaming are 2 different things, someone can hit millions of videos view yet have very little live viewership when they do stream.
At the end of the day, marketting is everything for both platform. It's not about which platform has better "discoverability" they are equally shit. It's about how many friends you can make.
Twitch has too many ads, I’ll just wait until they upload the vod to TH-cam
And of course there are pros to watch live but being able to skip through a long ass vod is nice as well
TH-cam has countless ads as well why is everyone suddenly happy with youtube ads yet hate twitch ads it makes no sense both sites suck
@@Coffee17990you can usually pass youtube ads after 5 seconds and there are far fewer in a stream than on Twitch
@@Coffee17990 TH-cam's Vods will stay on the channel and you can watch it anytime. You can rewind it easier and it is far better for that.
@@Coffee17990TH-cam streaming isn’t like that at all. You get 1 to 2 ads when clicking then you’re good for as long as you stay. However TH-cam videos can get ridiculous. I like to leave on long videos when I fall asleep, and I notice only when I’m watching those longer videos I get hit with insanely long ads and somewhat often. They get me good cuz I’ll fall asleep and never know I was watching a 50 minute ad 😂
I don’t think TH-cam Streaming is a failure, I prefer the TH-cam interface over Twitch by FAR + not only is it a streaming site, it’s connected to the largest video platform in the world, so audiences transfer over.
Especially after the recent Twitch mobile update, instead I use an app called "frosty" and it literally just gives me pretty much everything from PC (add-on emotes, quick-replies, etc.) and I can also click the little refresh button a few times so the ads fail to load in so in that way it kinda has its own adblock, all that said though TH-cam's VOD system absolutely smacks Twitch's VOD system, hands down
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@@spore6050Yeah 2 bots having a conversation with each other on every comment on this vid
If you watched the video you would see that the audiences quite literally don't transfer over, lol.
There is NO WAY you said you like the TH-cam interface more than Twitch. LOOOOOOOOOL
Twitch is unbelievably buggy, and I hate the fact that pre-roll ads are almost 6-7 minutes. That’s insane to me, and it pushes people away from streamers in the long run.
certainly the smaller streamers, or discovering new streamers. People will only sit through 6 minutes of ads if they know they will get great content on the other side of them, so Twitch actively shoots itself in the foot for supporting smaller streamers.
It entirely depends on the streamer on how many ads they play.
I know because i watch one slightly big streamer who only puts the bare minimum of ads allowed, usually only 1-2, for the entire stream. So i like to watch them more because those ads are played in the start.
So 6-7 minute ads every 20 min is entirely the streamer's choice.
I don’t think you can actually even get to 6 minutes on twitch, but I’ll second another commenter. Streamers choose the ad package
but money
@@PekologyPre-roll ads happen on every stream, unless the streamer specifically chooses to do mid-roll ads instead. Pre-roll ads on a livestream when you're trying to join to see what's happening NOW are annoying as hell, but they're the default.
I'm from a spanish-speaking community and youtube is just 10x bigger on youtube, and a LOT better for discoverability. In twitch I never ever see new people, in TH-cam I constantly get messages like "oh my god I haven't seen Age of Empires 2 in years, loving it" So it's really cool for me
awesome to hear your thoughts on the matter! glad youve been able to find your niche in this large space, ive not seen age of empires in a long time myself.
as for the bot, you know the drill. dont interact with them, just report and move on with your day
im asian and youtube also massive in asia compared to twitch. like 99% of vtubers in asia who don't speak english pretty much prefer on youtube. twitch for small streamer just bad because viewers really need to put some effort to find them on bottom of the category while on youtube they will recommend us as long as we match with one of our interest regardless what game they play. im manchester united fans and watch the united stand and i still got recommended stream from anfield agenda, it's liverpool fan channel and united rival. i watch vtuber and still got recommended 10 ccv vtubers and they don't even play the game i usually watch on youtube
@jimmyyfga-p8n ohh god! We are a different culture and that’s ok! You guys do you man ! Just don’t interfere with us as we do not EVER try to come over there and mess with your content at all EVER EVER 😂
yup, same here! im not in the US, im in the middle east, and my channel is extremely small. but when i stream here, i see new chatters! on twitch, it happens once in a blue moon.
@@zometthecomet it's a bot man
I feel the EXACT opposite about chat on each platform. Twitch chat is such a manic, chaotic mess, I don't even bother trying to talk because my voice gets drowned out by all the noise. On TH-cam however, not only have I been able to actually get my chat read by the streamers I've watched, but even more impressively I'm able to actually talk to other chatters and have an actual discussion! And with the ability to highlight your message with super chats, I firmly believe TH-cam offers a WAY better chat experience than Twitch!
I do believe as a content creator, if you're ONLY focused on streaming and don't do any regular video content, than sure, I can see the argument for sticking to Twitch. But if you do also do regular videos on top of streaming, I really believe TH-cam is the preferred platform for long term growth.
But like you say at the end, I agree that regardless, using both to dual stream with definitely seems like the best approach, even if it was just for the better vod you get from TH-cam honestly.
Twitch has highlighted messages that don't require money, you're talking about big streamers and not ones that are on double digits 😅
Big streams can bury ur comments too but the YT Hivemind can help you if you can lead the thought to some people.
I really don't understand how Twitch has so much more viewership with the ridiculous ads they have, like is it mostly bots? WHO IS WATCHING THESE ADS? TH-cam's discovery is trash so I rarely watch streams at all, the few times I go to Twitch I get immediately reminded why I don't stick around
twitch ads are cancer, i will never, ever go back to watching on those platforms. skipping an ad in 5 seconds is so much better then 4 minutes of absolute turbo aids.
oh stop with the "ad" excuse, there's TWITCHADBLOCK + PURPLE ADBLOCK + TWITCHADBLOCK PLUS + MANY OTHER FKNG ADS BLOCKER
STOP WITH THE ADS EXCUSE JESUST!!!! even tampermonkey and ublock have stuff for twitch ads yo 💀
Streaming on twitch may be better, but watching on youtube is WAY better.
Twitch has LOOOOONG ads (unskipable)
you can rewind
Twitch's lags way more while watching and you can't select lower quality on small streamers to make it go quicker
It is also hard to find sub catagories of games, which I am into.
TH-cam is better. No prerolls, no midrolls no ads at all, even if you're not a member for a channel you still get 100% of the content.
As a viewer it's a much better experience.
Adblock exist buddy
@@alphakowaclipsread the comment again and comprehend it
@@Bistren He thinks people are talking about normal ads, that man ain't comprehending shit.
@@alphakowaclipsAdblocks that are useless if you prefer to watch YT on mobile, console, or tv.
@@Knight_Twigg Brave browser on Android, SmartTube on Android TV.
4:30 take back the Luigi slander sir
Twitch is complete garbage. I dont really care about creator contracts or whatever, but i will say as a user, twitch is horrible.
God, these fucking bots are getting horrible. But yeah, other than getting free shit in games through prime gaming and twitch drops, I don’t use twitch unless I just really want to watch someone who’s only ever on twitch.
Nice try Neal Mohan
twitch is purely for the parasocial interaction. I dont get it otherwise. the stuff they do or the "content" is incredibly boring to me like cooking streams? bruh. gaming all day? i can do that stuff myself lol I dont need a digital friend to play games for me.
Glad to see you’re lacking your frontal lobe
Yeah the UI is just absolute garbage.
Nothing worse than joining a stream with 11 viewers and being hit with 6 ads in a row before seeing any content. Instantly closing your stream 😂
whats wrong with having 11 viewers? you're talking about it as if its the streamers fault lmao. Twitch forces everyone to run ads.
@@cowpersonwtf pretty sure he's referring to the constant ads on the site
@@cowpersonwtf I think hes saying that having so many ads makes you click off a stream so then smaller streamers lose viewers due to things out of their control not that 11 viewers is bad
@@cowpersonwtf you choose to run ads on your twitch. Twitch doesn’t make you. Trying to monetize and bombard your 10 viewers with ads is ridiculous.
Side note-Why do you care what I do? I was literally only speaking for myself.
@@michaeldominy5526 No, Twitch forces ads for small streamers and the small streamers don't profit from them. You need to be a Twitch Partner to profit from and decide when ads play and even then, you don't decide all of them. Twitch will still force ads sometimes
0:27 god mixer is so nostalgic as an xbox player
it's sad that it got shut down
I would always get raided by this stream that raided people abt to win on Fortnite n I’d always get full of adrenaline seeing the numbers go up lol, found a good streaming community too, I always tuned in and had a good time watching their streams, good times bro, I was sad when I tried to stream one day and it wasn’t even an option
@@RealSkyCube Blame Microsoft, the creators of Mixer were given so many promises but after it was bought, Microsoft kept denying it to them and turned Mixer into a console streaming app similar to PlayStation's.
What happened to Mixer is currently what Roblox is doing to Guilded. These companies give promises, but in the end, they drive out the people in charge and replace it with their own.
When I saw the creators of Mixer leave, I immediately knew it was over.
we need a mixer 2 honestly
@@RealSkyCube Microsoft buying then ruining companies be like
TH-cam is a billion times better, better quality, pause function, replay, no irritating sounds etc.
I've notice adults like TH-cam much more.
I can’t speak for the creators but as a viewer I like it because I don’t have to have to keep switching between twitch and TH-cam if I want to watch something
37 y old here, I much prefer youtube streaming. No ads with premium, but streamers should do what suits them. Whichever platform better pays the bills.
Streamers prioritizing making an extra $15 over allowing their viewers to have a decent experience do not deserve the views.
@@xxPenjoxx To me it looks like only the big TH-camrs are complaining about this. I’ve never heard any of the big guys talking about “shadow banning” or how the algorithm makes it much harder in general for small guys to get traction. I find the little guys have the most fun and interactive streams.
paying "premium" on twitch also gets you no ads. And I already get no ads on youtube because of my browser.
Hi 35 but I also have the common sense to see the parallels between TH-cam premium and Twitch turbo and I’m not completely regarded that sense oops😂😂😂😂😂😂
@joshuaSand3rs paying premium on twitch gets you one subscription, yt premium is around 14.99. So subs to every single yt channel for the price of three twitch
Just prefer youtube because I can rewind, and I don't immediately get hit with 10 ads
Thanks to VTubers, I prefer TH-cam for streaming by far. The only people I know that don't like TH-cam streaming are Twitch streamers that got comfortable with Twitch's layout for years and have trouble adapting to TH-cam.
TH-cam is superior as a viewer. I haven’t watched a twitch stream in a year or more. Last time i tried, i got hit with idk how many minutes of unskippable ads. There is no shot i’m sitting through that every 20-30 minutes.
I genuinely don’t understand the streaming culture on twitch, i can’t force my self to type something out while watching a stream, i just treat it as a youtube vid
Yeah I don’t instant it either. I also don’t understand the statement at 7:16 about chat. Twitch chat looks just as bad as TH-cam chat. It’s either so horribly fast you can’t make out what’s going on or it’s filled with a handful of people having a conversation with each other, having inside jokes and not including othera
@@UnhumanNewmanyeah its just easier to be annoying that's it. TH-cam streams are also more intimate.twitch always felt like look at me
@@UnhumanNewmanI agree with both of ya, I just prefer TH-cam overall, not that many ads, I can rewind/pause until the stream gets back to a higher resolution, there’s no incentives to spend money, and what I consider to be a bonus, no moderation (as far as I know of) in TH-cam streams. There is one thing that can tick me off it’s when I write a long paragraph to answer a question a streamer asks on twitch only to be deleted by a mod. It’s also unlikely to get banned on TH-cam or from a TH-cam stream. The only thing I can understand about the so called “Twitch Culture” is that they can use Pepe and unique emotes, highlighting messages by using ‘channel points,’ and using ‘Channel Points’ for other stuff like sound effects. Other than that, they are equals in cringe.
@@UnhumanNewman it's not as bad in smaller streamers chats. Cause everyone is in on the jokes, and everyone can see the messages, including both streamer and chat. I actually prefer watching small streamers to the larger ones cause of that (tho I still love the vids that both make)
Twitch users aren't there for the person they're watching. They're there for the jingling keys while they use chat like twitter.
TH-cam's bonus is that I don't have to sit through an hour long advert to watch a stream
You a bot? You sound like you're full of shit
Holographic meatloaf or ram? What's your favorite food?
@@Fluff_tha_Dwagon these jokes are grating on my sanity as i do not physically identify as a furry, please stop asking me these dumbass questions
@@Deadsphere I’ll just assume that means you’re more of a holographic meatloaf kinda fella.
it's just streamers who think youtube streaming isn't good, not the viewers
I would always do everything I could to find a recording on TH-cam to avoid having to use and navigate Twitch. Not to mention the more distasteful forcing of ads.
The worst part about twitch other than the people running it is they auto delete VODs older than a month or a few months unless you save them which not everyone does. Lot of legendary streams that are lost to time because of this
4:30 fire line ngl
It’s such a crazy throwback it’s insane, couldn’t have ever expected him to make that correlation
1:34 “Tiddlywinks”
As the majority of comments I've seen I fully agree that for watchers, youtube is better, while for streamers, twitch is better. Us watchers prefer youtube not only for the ads that we are subjected to on Twitch but also because of the rewind/pause/fast forward buttons; while on the other hand streamers prefer twitch for the discoverability but mostly for the money
as a hololive fan this discussion is always funny to me ‘cause it’s just a matter of how long it’ll take before someone brings up vtubers
I think Hololivers just have a better idea of how TH-cam streams are. They give a show for their viewers. I feel like Twitch is more about the interaction between the streamer and audience.
Vtuber is just that big of a part for youtube streaming.
Same. The Hololive numbers are huge, some of the biggest streamers in the world, all on TH-cam streaming.
The only dogwater thing about TH-cam streaming, especially for vtubers, is that TH-cam regularly rolls out updates that culls the concurrent viewers.
Last month everyone, especially vtubers, was hit by a 25-100% cull in ccv. Some streamers even showed NEGATIVE ccv.
Disgusting 🤢
I like TH-cam over Twitch because on TH-cam, the content will always be there. If a video is made, that video will not disappear like a lot of Twitch VODs do. TH-cam has an entire page just for stream VODs, and theyre saved by default. On Twitch, the VODs delete themselves, that content is ephemeral, and temporay, while it lasts much longer, maybe even forever, if on TH-cam.
I work often, and many of my favorite streamers stream while I'm working, or they stream at the same time as other streamers I also want to watch. TH-cam's permanent VOD system means that I don't need to feel pressured to watch them before they're gone.
And yes, most Twitch vods do get archived on that streamers YT channel or a separate archive channel, but that still leads back to TH-cam.
Can’t even watch twitch anymore. The ridiculous amount of ads, the new update for mobile, and the annoying glitch I keep having where VODs kept restarting after I watched an ad.
TH-cam is so much better as a viewer. The ads are so long, like 3+ minutes is insane. But I could get over that. And my biggest issue, no playback on live and no pausing where you are. And the player messes up so much more.
You can pause and rewind on TH-cam, so much better than Twitch
Research what add-ons are.
@@raz9305 Why? you don't need them on youtube to pause and rewind
@@raz9305what’s the point of using addons when I can nullify the whole process by just using TH-cam. If you need addons to make a website bearable then you should probably just find a better alternative. The only exception to that rule is adblock.
Not really
@@raz9305what to do without buying or downloading random things?
I am an odd one out here: I've been trying dual streaming this year and I've had a lot of fun with it. Discoverability on Twitch has been fantastic for me (have gained ~100 followers there and am almost affiliated, YAY), but I've racked in a bunch of TH-cam subs and people that regularly come back to my streams because of my sterams and less because of the videos I post. This is coming from someone who started this year with like ~125 subs on YT and now almost 600. I'm obviously a small creator, but when looking at my analytics, I can credit a substantial amount of that growth and the boost in regular video watch hours to people discovering me via streams. Also, a pretty good number of the people that have come by me on Twitch have moved to TH-cam because that is where my chat is the most lively.
Obviously it's not the same for everyone, just sharing my experience as a small creator as it seems to contradict what larger creators say in terms of discoverability.
I've also had way better discoverability on youtube than in twitch. The most growth my TH-cam channel has had has been from live streams. There definitely seems to be separate audiences for videos and streams though
I’m in the same boat, I would stream more if it wasn’t for work and school, but unlike my times of trying on twitch, I have regulars on TH-cam who come by just to chat. I also like doing wacky thumbnails if I have the time to sit and photoshop a fever dream together
@@bryconator1021 that is so real
Has Twitch stopped giving you 7 ads before you can watch the streamer? I open twitch, and then hit this wall
no
So if they improved the system and did what you want is it would take away all the benefits Charlie said for money making for the contact creator😂 twitch is 🗑
@paulreynolds7103
Yes, fewer ads means less money, but I barely touch Twitch now, so I'm still not giving money to Twitch or Charlie (or other streamers)
One thing I will say is I joined your channel from the app. I didn't have to go on any other third party platform or a browser to do it. It is on the app and a simple button
2:03 I'M BLIND!!! I'M BLIND!!!
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@@awalkingdude3291came to say this😂
As someone with a full-time career & family/friends/hobbies/pets, I never watch livestreams; seems like a huge waste of time vs. watching edited content on TH-cam.
I like VODs for background noise while I am working. I don't get into chat, but I can understand why people do
@@BlckSWANWhtRbbtyeah but twitch vods are trash. TH-cam ones are just like a video.
People watch Streams for the interactivity. That is.
@@Safersephiroth777 And in the saddest way possible😂...big twitch streamers seem to have little cults around them😮
if a streamer has at a thousand viewers, your chat message will be ignored
Twitch ads will forever hold it back.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like that's holding it back.
@@Roadhog360It is for viewers who are over the age of 12, have a job, are going to school, or just have better things to do in general.
@@ongfrfr249 Well I meant in terms of Twitch's statistics, it's hardly being held back at all.
Preroll ads kills Twitch for me. They are way too long. I gave up trying to get into Twitch when I clicked a stream and it’s seriously 2minutes+ unskippable ads before I even get the chance to hear the streamer
9:00 I'm sorry but this is the complete opposite of the truth. As a small-scale streamer the numbers don't even compare. TH-cam has WAY WAY WAY more visibility and growth than twitch for small-time multristreamers and much better long-term viewer adoption (subscriber vs follower). The incumbent effect makes being a small streamer on twitch absolutely miserable, you get buried alive in the 0 viewers zone without tremendous effort.
It's the recommended section, which, while twitch has one, doesn't work to the favor of small streamers. You have to go out of your way to find them.
Yeah in my experience YT has been way better for getting new viewers and even people talking in chat than twitch as a small streamer. I think youtube maybe has a bit of an algorithm problem tho where it'll only really recommend small streamers to people who engage with smaller streamers or by chance if they already enjoy the content you're streaming
Most of Charlie's takes are the complete opposite of truth in my experience, but we watch because he delivers them in a weirdly entertaining way. My recommendation is to keep reminding yourself that these are the takes of the ultimate Florida man.
@@known_fact that’s why I support the smaller guys like you. I’ve never heard any of these guys with millions of subs talk about “shadow banning” or getting pushed down in the algorithm. You’ve got my support buddy 👍
Then you’re not using social media daily! If you want to grow you need to grow off platform and everyone knows this😂 been like this for years
2:55 grave of youtube's reputation? TH-cam couldn't care less about twitch, their clear priority is beating tiktok, what reputation was killed?
Wow, you still use TH-cam? What year is it, 2024??😂
@@PostalDude-x4k did you have a stroke
@@Fictional_semahumour blind
TH-cam NEEDS to add a live section with its own categories.
I am seriously done with Twitch.. getting bombarded with 1,000 ads for the app to crash and then have to sit through them again and it takes the entire screen and I can’t watch the stream until they are done and since I can’t rewind I missed everything that happened. Idc how much more money the people I watch make versus TH-cam if all I’m watching is ads and not the person streaming
So you're saying on TH-cam I get a higher quality stream with little to no intrusive ads and the chat isn't a bunch of children screaming poggers
Streamers are focusing on the child audience, not the quality of the content. Kids like twitch, kids give these adults money and put them on pedestals. That's the difference
Steamers are focusing on the streaming ad revenue
@@bosssavage3325 the twitch "culture" is twitch viewers give money away in hopes to "help" these content creators
Man, how old are u? Why are you talking like every stream is Ninja stream, have ever watch one? And like, talking about kids??? are u 70?? Sound like me dad when i use the computer and im almost 30
@@lucassantos3747 I'm 28 bro it's just cringe
These days a lot of times the chat are always just spamming "W" or "L". It's so boring
ngl i prefer youtube streaming cause TWITCH'S 30 ADS
Like seriously, watching agent00 and getting 5 to 9 ads each having 10 to 30 seconds each is crazy
@@insertname319 ong and they always be happening on the most inconvenient moments
Does literally nobody here know that ad block exists? Are you all like 90 years old?
@@dau4738some of us like to watch streams on something other than their computer. Like their phone or console.
@@dau4738that's not the problem, independent if you have AdBlock or not, 6 minutes of non-stop ad is bs
Dude, you have to be paying for Amazon Prime for you to be able to give a Twitch Prime. Its not free Charlie.
Charlie is privileged so assumes everyone on the planet has prime
F*** Amazon too😂... So great to see hasan over there under jeff baiso's helping sell prime🤦♂️🤣
Yeah and isn't Amazon Prime way more expensive than a twitch subscription
yall actually coocoo you can ger amazon prime for free for a month and in turn give twitch prime
@@DelusionalInsider? you literally said it yourself it’s free for only a month then you pay
nah im a youtube livestream enthusiast to my core. twitch is overrun with ads and in my experience just a buggy website at its core. i honestly cant remember the last time i went on twitch.
So long as Twitch has 5+ minute ads whenever you try to tune in to a stream, and shitty player options, TH-cam will be the superior, but underrated choice. Better to just wait for the VoD to drop to watch what happens on a Twitch stream
Twitch is honestly better in just chat integration. Other than that it is terrible in terms of video quality. It either bugs out, buffers a lot, you get ads all the time, and the only way you get the most out of Twitch as a viewer is spending money.
for the price it costs me to buy a couple of things on Twitch to actually enjoy it, i could get a months worth of TH-camPremium no ads and unlimited music too! its a joke
So what im reading is its just worse. They really need to fix those issues.
Chat integration. What do yall mean when you say this? Anytime I'm on twitch. It's just easier to be Annoying.
@@TallicaMan1986 chat interaction is like the whole point of streams, without that it's just long unedited video. On youtube stream chat reads like a youtube comment section, except worse somehow
@@PSiOO2The main difference I see between the two chats as an NL watcher, is that a lot of the time it seems like actual lobotomites watch Twitch streams and then insane asylum patients watch the vods. The people in twitch chat have nothing better to do with their day so they spend all day spamming the same emote or question, where people on TH-cam sit and watch thinking they’re better because they sit and watch alone without direct interaction. It’s genuinely two sides of the same neurotic coin.
Twitch isn’t for me. Trash quality, ads like crazy, not interested. Got a life outside of watching content
You can have a life and still watch twitch lmao what a weird comment
One of your comments literally says you went from the hub to youtube, your switching from adult video sites to another video content site
“got a life outside of watching content”
I dont have a life but yeah twitch sucks youtube is better to use
Another reason I prefer TH-cam over Twitch is because some of the local telco companies have a separate quota for some apps, and TH-cam is one of them. That save me a lot of since it's separate from daily quota usage, it's cheaper, and I get to watch TH-cam a lot on my phone mostly on lunch break and while I'm driving.
Most agency vtubers use TH-cam streaming and they get hundreds and thousands of views every stream so im suprised that this was even brought up.
@@AUTTPBot-g7c good bot
Entirely different culture, and it's primarily driven by Japanese viewers who didn't start off with Twitch.
English vtubers tend to follow the same "Twitch is usually better or do mix streaming" trend, Vshojo and idol does both, and it's really only in the JP side of things where YT streams work well on their own
I remember a stream from hololive that had 107000 live viewers back then. So yeah, vtubers are more popular in youtube
because ludwig and charlie are so big they are far from being reality. and all their chats a filled with incomprehensible garbage and trolls
@@NominDonutz Aqua from Hololive just had her last stream five days ago with 750k concurrent viewers at its peak.
8:10 The join button exists on youtube app. It’s probably just ios problem, i guess they don’t want to pay the 30% cut to apple lol.
Not an iOS problem shows up on my iPad and iPhone
that’s so crazy i don’t see it and i’m on iphone but i remember trying to look for it to play the claw machine
I think this says more about livestreaming in general. I feel like since the pandemic ended and people have time to do stuff, livestreaming has just become less popular bc people don't want to spend half of their time awake watching someone play a video game. Especially when the audience knows there will be a highly edited video of the stream coming out with all the interesting parts and none of the down time.
Not watching a stream with insane ads even if you just want to check.
As a tiny streamer, I have found far more success streaming on TH-cam than I have Twitch. I get mostly bots on Twitch. I’m sure it’s different for larger content creators but I personally don’t get the hype behind Twitch
As a creator, TH-cam is way better for growth, Twitch doesn’t promote new creators at all
TH-cam is harsh on small/new creators tho, dunno where's your getting your info from
@@alphakowaclips shorts streaming legit made my channel
@@alphakowaclips personal experience, as someone who has created for both platforms, TH-cam is more likely to give newer creators a shot, whereas Twitch is horrible about promoting new creators.
Why can't you scrub around Twitch streams, or watch vods conveniently, or skip the intrusive 12 minute ad blocks
ngl i love the dual streams bc i'm often on youtube watching whatever but when i see a live stream going on from my fav twitch streamer, it lets me know they're streaming and i go to watch on twitch.
Twitch is better for the streamer but worse for the viewer.
This
So the major takeaway from watching the video and reading the comments is that the audience actually mostly prefers TH-cam due to the lack of time in their schedules however content creators prefer Twitch for Live-streaming because TH-cam as a platform doesn’t cater to them nearly as much as Twitch has
Last time I livestreamed on TH-cam, I got demonetized for swearing and my long-form algorithm tanked for like 3 weeks 😭
Surely you don't get demonized for swearing..
THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT'S EVER LIVED
Can I have my toothbrush back? Please?
It's been a few months...
nah thats just the EPA finding a way to fight back
Stop kidnaping my mother bro please
TH-cam player + Twitch chat would be a perfect experience
I refuse to watch any twitch streams because of the long ads, no rewinding, and mobile unfriendly interface.
And every stream gets saved unless the content creator deletes it for whatever reason, such as being confronted by chat
The Twitch Mobile App is quite possibly one of the worst Apps ever created.
2:03 just busted right here
Brother really think about what your goofy ass just said
Shut up @@SunnierVoyage97
@@AlkaRezno no he has a point wtf
Twitch's "ad breaks" still suck. Especially when the stream is still running - it's not a break if the stream is still running! It's just an interruption!
TH-cam makes a ton of sense if you only stream occasionally and have an existing channel audience. Twitch only works if you stream frequently, but is way better if you do since your stream is only competing with other streams, while on TH-cam there is a ton of non-livestream content that you have to compete with.
I hate Twitch's interface, and I don't enjoy chatting. It just doesn't mean anything to me
I think it's the main difference between communities, much less direct interactions on TH-cam. it's part of the design and philosophy of the websites, no pms on TH-cam for exemple. I see TH-cam as a library, and Twitch as a TV 2.0.
9:00 - Absolutely not true. I get recommended small streams all the time. In fact, right beside this video, I have a recommendation to a gaming stream with 2 viewers.
That's one, of how many?
@@CoTeCiOtm Like at least one a day, often two or three. That's only small streamers. Not including those I'm subbed to or bigger ones. YT just recommends you what you're watching.
I prefer youtube because twitch ads are atrocious
Imma be honest I got more viewers in YT than I ever did on Twitch.. YT is really good for just casual streaming, and just chatting talking about games and stuff.. When I tried streaming in Twitch literally had nobody to talk to for like 2-3 weeks straight lol
I pretty much stopped watching twitch nowadays after watching hololive streams. When successful channels have like hololive have sorted everything out, have great engagement, high viewership, youtube streams just outclass anything that twitch does, better player, higher quality streams, no ads etc.
My main problem is I've already got a small following on TH-cam, and I don't want to leave that now just because Twitch might grow me faster. While I understand the importance of having a community, I'm not too much of a fan Twitch culture, nor do I like Twitch Stream player
I never thought TH-cam would overtake Twitch, as someone that lives on TH-cam, uses it all day every day, I still only ever use Twitch for streams, the site just works better for it, feels nicer, has a bigger and imo better community, has better emotes, including my own, etc..
Tbh, I rarely watch streams at all these days besides at early hours of the morning when I can't sleep but even if I see someone live on my TH-cam sub panel I never feel the urge to click it.
I also don't know if it's due to a higher distribution of kids on TH-cam vs twitch but live chats feel even more hive minded and low IQ or potentially botted on TH-cam streams and shorts comments than on twitch, the only real negative with twitch is the amount of ads you can get but I don't really tend to have that issue because I don't live in 20k Andy stream chats, I more often watch a friend with a much smaller chat, streamers only responding to donations isn't a stream vibe I enjoy, those types of streams send me to TH-cam, not for live content, but for highlight videos (I.E Summit)
I also have a lot of friends that stream, a couple of them moved from Twitch to TH-cam and at first they were super excited and loving it because they were getting better rev splits but after the initial housewarming gift of subs, so to speak, they got nothing for months after that, TH-cam viewers are much more likely to watch a stream and never donate because that's what they do with all the other content they consume on here
I straight up never get streams recommended to me here
yeah, it rarely shows up for me as well
I get around one stream recommended to me per day. Maybe 2 on occasion.
Recent stream vods however is 30% of my recommendations.
I mightve gotten more recommendations to livestreams but 99% of youtube streamers i watch are outside of my timezone. So its like, most streams are around early af mornings or late af evenings. And thats not something twitch or youtube can change… atleast i can get the vods.
Recommendations to streamers i dont watch happen maybe a few times per month.
But i also use youtubegaming where its easier to just find streams for games. Since the live tab is mostly for non gaming streams i find.
But even as bad as youtube recommended is, its still way fucking easier to discover new streamers than on twitch. To find new streamers on twitch, i just come from youtube anyway.
That's because you rarely watch streams & vods, I got recommend streams and vods because I watch a lot of them.
It happens to me all the time personally
@@elclark_idThe algorithm feed, and if you go to your subscriptions tab, you'll see the people who's live from right on top, but I think people just forget that's a thing, and the mobile app pushes shorts more
12:20 I gotta agree with moist here.
TH-cam will never have Twitch culture. Which isn’t a bad thing. TH-cam streaming and Twitch streaming are just different lol
EXACTLY
And thank god for that, I’m not saying TH-cam has great culture, but I can’t stand literally any twitch chat AT ALL
YT streaming is dominated by vtubers and they do numbers that these people leaving don’t. The ones switching back just aren’t the biggest and they can’t see that. The biggest are doing it without contracts on YT and just aren’t English speaking.
Yeah this is basically it lol
@@zg3342No, TH-cam streaming is easily dominated by Typical Gamer
TH-cam situation is crazy
I did not expect to get flashed by Charlie today
i read this as he did that
Report Joseph-15411 for bot spam
Lol charlie theres a big ball of light in the sky you need to go in it more! 😁
In short, NO ONE WANTS TO SEE ADS
I feel like TH-cam streaming is better for me. I can put everything in one place; videos, live streams, and shorts.