Should I Train Boxing or Muay Thai | Kickboxing and Muay Thai and Boxing
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- When it comes to striking nowadays I believe these three styles are at the forefront. From a combat skills standpoint, Boxing, Muay Thai, and Kickboxing are what people are looking to train in. Which one would you choose and why? Here's my thoughts.
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Which style of fighting are you interested in and why? Do you currently train in either of these forms of fighting? How’s your training going?
I like muay thai but muay thai should really have more focus on boxing
@@kayjay8077 I agree. I actually touch on that a bit in the video. Thank you for the comment.
I trained muay thai first. Then I fell in love with boxing. Then I decided to combine the two. Muay thai and boxing both have pros and cons as a single style of fighting. But when combined, it's just pure deadly. I have yet to use the combination method in an actual fight but the heavy bag definitely hates seeing me at the gym lol. When you combine the footwork, body movements, head movements, opening angles, counters, and deadly accuracy of boxing, with the on your toes, light on your feet, quick reaction, kicks, knees, and elbows of muay thai it's hard to go wrong.
black mma fighter UK 🇬🇧 he was one that broke the guys skull
interesting vid. from what you say I feel learning boxing first would give you foundation then muy thai and great take down defence and some of the most effective bjj moves with a bit of wrestling and maybe hubud lubud for knife 🔪 defence and sprinting 🏃♂️ your be a ninja
fun fact, Buakaw, one of the most infamous muay Thai fighters ever, after losing/getting cheated of his championship he started training much more boxing and incorporated it into his fights, it was a game changer, he started destroying fighters because he knew muay Thai and was a better boxer so in the opportune moments he would hook and punch much harder and faster than the other fighters while at the same time deliver devastating kicks, knees and elbows.
Imo, muay Thai is better, but if you're already a good muay Thai fighter a little boxing will definitely help
Boxing just helps sure up the 2 limbs they don't work as much.
They train the other 6 very well though.
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No he didn't.
@@user-rj5qr9sh2dFootball is our national sport in Britain. Believe me, we spend a lot of time kicking.
What can you take from boxing though? I've thought about this a lot. I train muay thai in Thailand and there's not much respect for slips and twisting hooks. Partly because blocking and walking through everything scores better, and partly because elbows and knees to the face make a lot of Boxing technique dumb. It's impossible to deny the beauty and skill of a boxer's hands, but boxers do not fare well in free fights, almost ever. I personally would like to incorporate the head movement and hooks in an effective way but I'm not there yet.
Boxing in my opinion should be a common foundation. It is probably the most important art form. Then transition to muay thai BJJ judo etc.
I started with kickboxing. Gonna go to Muay Thai now. Do I miss out if I don't do boxing first?
I feel like it’s way easier if you want to do both to have Muay Thai as your main and boxing as secondary. Boxing can create bad habits for Muay Thai like bobbing and weaving to avoid a hook you can get caught with a knee or kick from a Muay Thai fighter. Definitely easier to do Muay Thai and incorporate boxing into it than it would be vise versa.
I agree. Good points for sure.
Its better to start first with muay thai?
If you want to defend yourself in some unexpected cases, train boxing as it will helps you to dodge serious damage. Believe me if you're not a pro, you won't prepare well enough to exert a powerful kick in those situations. If it's for having fun, burning calories, both are great. Stamina is a real deal in boxing if you stick with Ali or Tyson styles, your heart will be very healthy. But with muay thai, the best thing for me is the feeling of being not afraid. Your body will be tough, so as your mind.
Well a powerful low kick is pretty effective and quick to land. Jab to create distance, followed by a hard low-kick is my favorite combo.
If you are a beta man, go with Boxing. If you're an alpha man that are willing to push to the limit of yourself, go for Muay thai.
@@iROChakri ironic you say that with a pfp like that.
@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 Cus apples are better than oranges? Pretty much Boxing is better than TKD and Muay thai is better than Boxing :3
@@iROChakri You sound like a person whose done a few classes of muy thai and thinks you’re tough.
If your goal is to just be “Billy Badass”, then yes, train MMA. Most complete. I did MMA for a few years for that very reason. Now I strictly box because I just wanna be an athlete/competitor and want to focus on one sport with the least amount of training “variables” that will also get me in the ring most often. From where I am, that sport is boxing. Also I think boxing is a beautiful art.
I can always call on my MMA skills if needed to defend myself in a “real” altercation, but I got to be honest: I haven’t been in a bar fight/ street fight since I got out of the Army many years ago.
Pick the sport you love. Stop worrying about these proverbial scenarios of streetfights in your head that will almost never happen if you have common sense to begin with.
The friends I have with the most amount of street fights are also the dumbest dudes who find themselves in situations that can 100% be truly avoided.
This is a really good answer. I like muay thai honestly and I did it once and even taekwondo and hapkido but man do I loveeeee the way boxing looks especially when the style is put against other styles in games or movies. The slips and dodges of boxing are like a painting.
I must admit that modern sport muaythai has progressed so much, a major part of it is because of western boxing. Boxing is so bio-mechanically developed. Muaythai adopted western punching almost 100%. Muaythai also adopted western method of training with pad work and heavy bag.
I started in boxing. But after not having a coach I started doing Muay Thai but not traditional more like a mixture of Dutch style. We do a lot of boxing incorporated along with elbows, knees, and kicks. My advice is to learn Dutch kickboxing over traditional Muay Thai.
The most famous example of a Thai fighter crossing into boxing was Samart - he ended up fusing boxing with Muay Thai to dominate the Muay Thai scene. There are a lot of other Thai fighters too (e.g. Somchai who was a lumpinee champ and also on the Thai Olympic boxing team)
For me, it is good to make Muay Thai/Kickboxing as your base. But if possible, learn boxing eventually since in boxing, you will learn to be faster on your feet and to have better footwork. Most kickboxing fights that I have watched seem to lack evasive skills. It's like most of the time, it all comes down to on who is the toughest. I still believe in the hit and not get hit principle.
Also, you are right. We should always remain students because we should keep on evolving and learning. Heck, I would even gladly incorporate Kung Fu techniques in my arsenal if I can (I was able to do standing rear naked chokes on most of my sparring partners thanks to me improvising my Wing Chun techniques and combining it with better footwork).
I agree with you 💯
Difficult to move as much as in boxing in kickboxing or Muay Thai due to the lower body strikes you may just move into a head kick or knee strike as is common when boxers try MMA
@@poriccrompton I think he may have been commenting on the overall motion of a boxer and wanting to translate that into a kickboxing art. Ducks, rolls, slips as one end with head movement, but also pivoting, cutting angles, stepping in and out, and shifting I think
Thai boxers are explicitly supposed to be more square in their stance, and focus more on power shots in general. Naturally you’ll be a little less agile on your feet
Kickboxing is still more movement based than Muay Thai, I think you’re talking about traditional Muay Thai where the scoring is different.
Beautiful video! Just beautiful! I love the conversation and the discernment in your synopsis. I started Muay Thai and love it! Had a background in Tae Kwon Do, but now I’m in a Muay Thai gym that focuses a fair amount on the boxing also!
Thank you very much for the feedback. Truly appreciated.
Excellent explanation! Thank you.
Thank you very much.
The only useful video on TH-cam which adequately answers the question boxing or kickboxing
thank you for the positive feedback.
Troy Dorsey was a world champion kick boxer who transitioned into boxing and world title in boxing.
Brilliant in depth analysis
Thank you very much for you feedback.
Great video. I do kyokushin and do some boxing and its a game changer mixing them both an upgrade to your arsenal. I originally wanted to learn muay thai but unfortunately some of the gyms i visited were watered down, i was able to find 3 legit gyms but my work schedule was changed and so i couldnt go to train at any of those gyms. I hope to one day train muay thai and add it to my arsenal.
great video brother keep teaching youngers
Samaart Payakaroon first muay thai guy that comes to mind. Other than being a Muay Thai world champion was also WBC boxing champion. Other names that come to mind Wayne Parr, Paul Briggs, Mike Bernado. All made very successful transitions to boxing just to name a few.
Doing both Muay Thai and boxing is important for stand up fighters. Thai fighters in Thailand do both some good ex. Sanchai, Buakaw, Rodtang, Sittichai etc..
Klitchiko brothers were kickboxers who switched to boxing. Top thai fighters as Somrak Kamsing was proficient in boxing and thai. He had won gold medal in boxing olympics. Samart Payakaroon was a muay thai and boxing world champion.
Alexander povetkin too, Marco Huck too. Lomachenko is quite adept at Muay Thai and Caleb plant does some kick boxing. It's really interesting if you think about it.
This was a great video.
thank you very much.
Samart Payakaroon is a legendary Muay Thai fighter who crossed over to boxing and did very well.
Great video
I do all 3 of them. Love the roughness of muay Thai but kickbox and boxing is also great
I came into this video, thinking about focusing on boxing or kickboxing. Absolutely fantastic breakdown of everything to consider. I am much clearer and will definitely be keeping both. I noticed the lack of footwork in Muay Thai matches, its quite shocking to see that the fighters just stay in strike range without moving. A balanced approach and one right for you as an individual makes total sense.
You really need to dive deeper into muay thai than just some random recent matches...footwork is essential and some of the most beautiful fighting EVER is in the golden era...Saenchai? Lerdsila? Somrak?...watch them and possibly expand your perspective
@@closeredge5198 you’re right!
@@KungFoo1 I should add to that Oley ( incredible evasion) , Chatchai ( technical beauty), and Namkuaban ( great anticipation and timing). Muay thai scholar channel is a treasure chest highlighting these masters
I want to thank you really much for making this video, I was doubting in which martial art I should do, I ended up thinking that I should practice or boxing or muay Thai and this video cleared my mind I clearly saw the perspective of each combat sport and I will try muay thai by my big height and because it uses more weapons as you said, I wanted to thank you really much, take care
Thank you so much for watching and for the feedback. I'm so happy the video was helpful. thank you again.
Boxing for initial distance management.
Muay Thai to close the distance and use leg kicks, knees and elbows sweeps and dumps.
bjj/submission wrestling after dumping opponent on ground.
good arsenal of skills
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@@jonathanjohnson5216 oh man, I totally forgot that Rocky was fighting Muay Thai (sort of) in Rambo 3. That is a great connection.
Yea boxing MT and wrestling would make u not only very athletic but very versatile as well I’ve done those n I’m a killer I can take it to the ground n finish a person of stand up n walk them down all night , depending on how I feel but very good combo n if u can add Gracie jiu jitsu
@HumanAction1 congratulations you just discovered MMA
Well explained! I guess the correct thing to do is learn both. thanks-
Thank you
I plan on beginning boxing until my hands&footwork are decent and slowly incorporate muaythai, wrestling and Bjj classes into my routine. I have full intention of training mma one day
Same :) i train boxing since february and in 1-3 years I'll either continue with bjj or with muay thai
Helpful video
Thank you 🙏🏽
your super honest guy...i can diffentely see this.
Thank you 🙏🏽 😊
This was great information and all but I gotta say you have an amazing haircut
well thank you very much :-)
The "Perfect" video 👊
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Boxing still valuable. After all we do have better punches, can create better angles and have better footwork. But Muay Thai way more versatile.
I don't think the head movement would change much honestly, but footwork on the other hand, we'd have to learn to close in on muay Thai fighters much faster than we are used to.
Having trained in multiple striking arts, plus Aikido, I think it counts down to experience.
Boxers use 100% of their bodies for 100% of their hands. MT/KB have maybe 40% of the same power, speed, and combos at boxing range. So, it's not 100% of 8 weapons, as kicks are the priority. But, it is more weapons overall.
When you showed those clinching examples, as a current boxer it looked as simple as closing distance, dropping down, and driving a hook or uppercut with power and it's over.
Up close in the clinch, judo or wrestling is the answer, not kick boxing.
At boxing distances there's no contest.
Legs add more distance that boxers aren't used to, so at kicking distances MT has the advantage - and only to leg kicks.
So, boxers need to learn to better control distance and check leg kicks with a wider stance at distance, then switch to a boxing stance at arms length.
Because of my prior martial arts training I instinctively check leg kicks, so it's just experience.
Same when the Gracie's took strikers with DL takedowns, until the strikers learned the basic wrestling, splayed leg counter.
I think it's easier for all ages, for boxers to incorporate leg kicks and checking than for MT to learn how to box well.
Both can do it, but I wish I learned boxing earlier than kicking. Kicking is easier to learn, IMHO, than using the entire body to move your hands well.
Sorry but the combo at 20:02 was absolutely BEAUTIFUL
You’re beautiful…😌
After more than 10 years I still can’t decide 😉 Like the both. I started with judo as a child and later on Dutch kickboxing. One a week we also had training from a boxer to improve our hands and I like it so much I continued with boxing (also due to some leg injury). I think is also depends on the gym/teacher. I still like the footwork, head movement, endurance and tactical aspects of boxing. But I also really like low kicks, throws/sweeps, teeps, knees and elbows. So hard decision between boxing and MT. MT fight at least 5 rounds and don’t have that aggressive/explosive aspect that Dutch kickboxing often has and I don’t like as lanky, endurance fighter. One thing I learned is that kickboxers suck at boxing 😉
I know that I want to learn Muay Thai and boxing before other martial arts and ground fighting so which of the two should I give a try: Muay Thai or boxing? Or both at the same time? Is it possible as an absolute beginner or would that be a bit much and I should pick one over the other first? And if kickboxing was there, which of three should be leaned in what order for absolute beginners? I know that you like both and already view that kickboxers suck at boxing so which one(s) should be learned first and last for an absolute beginner that wants to be powerful with their bare hands and also compete as a fighter someday?
Dutch kickboxing if available or muay Thai n then incorporate boxing if u can , there’s different styles of kickboxing like American which is more like karate base n Dutch which is heavy on boxing n thAi kicks so I would search for a Dutch kickboxing gym or thAi gym first if u find a Dutch gym u get the best of both worlds but u can’t go wrong with muAy thAi n boxing either
Fantastic video. Was in a dilemma whether to take boxing or muay thai. I have full contact karate experience for 10years. Gonna take muay thai and incorporate boxing skills which can get along with muay thai. Thank you sir! Oss
Thank you for the feedback and think that is a good idea. 😊🙏🏽
Muay Thai has more tools then boxing
Samart Payakaroon famous Thai fighter that also fought in boxing, he was simultaneously a boxing and muay thai champion, in fact many muay thai champions from thailand in the 70's and 80's were also boxing champions. Tenshin Nasukawa a famous japanese kickboxer and boxer most recently had a exhibition fight against mayweather. It didnt go well for Tenshin, he just had never boxd someone of Mayweathers caliber before. But theres plenty of crossover
I feel the 3 of them are great to do as self defense or either as MMA fight as well.
Simply put... yes.
Khaosai galaxy is probably the most famous Thai boxer. He switched from Muay Thai and started western boxing and became a champion.
thank you for that info. I didn't know that. I will definitely look him up.
@@Krufessor_Rad Definitely check out Samarat Payakaroon
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Hi there. Great opinions coming from people that trained in different martial arts, there are small amount of info regarding this topic on the internet.
First time viewer and was searching the answer for this question and stumbled on your video, although at the end you did not answer what I wanted to know, LOL.
You mentioned seasoned fighters should try to learn the other league, and beginners should pick one and hone their skills on that league, but how about beginner learning from two sides? will it impede their learning process? like maybe confusing and mixed up of the stances or something.
I started learning boxing for like a month, and thinking of maybe taking some muay thai classes since the gym I joined offered both classes and conducted by basically the same few people. I am thinking maybe some skills can complement my boxing (which I wanted to be more focused on), but there is also the thought that learning from both class may slow down my progress.
Hope to listen to your comment on that. I am sure that I will consult the coaches in my gym but it is nice to have a second opinion. Thanks.
Thank you for the question. It really depends on the person. Some can learn both at the same time and not get tripped up, but when you’re not isolating one skill from time to time you can end up mediocre at both (mostly when going against someone who is skilled in one of them specifically).
I did all of them at the same time and did well, but there were times I’d pull away from one of them to put more focus on the other. But I always came back to doing all of them. I feel this is usually the case when you’re a beginner, but as you become seasoned it’s easier to maintain or sharpen both as you’ve moved past basic concepts that trip up beginners. I hope that makes sense.
In the end, it’s all in what you want to achieve and how must information you can effectively take in. Do them all if that it what you truly want and see how it goes. If things suffer or lag, decide if one aspect needs all your focus for a bit before bringing them all back in.
I hope that was helpful and thank you for the question.
Honestly I do both cause my gym teaches boxing and Muay Thai
nice! It's great when you can do that. No reason not to.
I train boxing,4 years ago stay training in phuket muay thai and i like muay thai too💪💪
That’s so awesome, brother! Keep doing your thing!
I had a background in Tae Kwondo because when i was growing up, it was one of the martial arts around. Been training muy thai, and I love it. I want to focus on muy thai but i definitely want to get some time in boxing for the footwork and angle changes that are somewhat missing in traditional muy thai. I 100% agree that having a broad knowledge of multiple styles of fighting makes you more versatile, allowing you to see and create more striking opportunities in a fight. That said, becoming proficient in any single form of combat, striking, grappling, etc puts you ahead of 99% of people out there. Train hard, train often.
Beginner of Muay Thai. Was training at a mma gym in kickboxing. The training seems so different. The knees, hooks, stance etc is so different. I just tell myself to shut up and learn their style when I am in class. I only take one class a week. That is minimum but don't want injuries because I am going to massage therapy school. 🙏 🙏. Thank you for your video. Man you have best martial arts videos.
I love that you're expanding your horizons. Keep it up. Pocket as many skills as you can and then you can shape them into something you feel works best for you. good luck on your schooling as well. Thank you so much for the comment.
Thanks, that's a really helpful take on things! Subscribed. As someone who hasn't yet started Muay Thai, are there any Thai camps you'd recommend for a beginner who wants to jump in the deep end and learn by immersion? Do any of them have that more holistic focus and incorporate those newer technique elements from Dutch kickboxing?
Thank you for the feedback and sub. Greatly appreciated.
As for camps, do you mean here in the US or like in Thailand? For Thailand i cannot recommend Tiger Muay Thai highly enough. That's where i go whenever i train in Thailand and absolutely love them. As for being Stateside, that's tough because I'm not familiar with your area so I'm not familiar with the gyms in your area. The best advice I could give would be to try some gyms out and see if they meet your needs. The right instruction, the right culture and energy, etc. I hope that helps.
@@Krufessor_Rad thanks! Oops yeah I meant in Thailand sorry. I'll have to check Tiger out!
I like Boxing , K1 style Kickboxing , Muay Thai , Muay Boran , Sanda , Shuai Jiao , Savate , Hapkido , Karate , Japanese Jujutsu , Judo , Brazilian Jiu - Jitsu , Freestyle Wrestling , Greco - Roman Wrestling , Glima , Pankration , Combat Sambo and MMA..i love them all and practiced few of them , for striking Boxing , K1 , Muay Thai , Sanda and Karate
FROM ONE KRU TO ANOTHER WELL SAID. I HAVE BEEN PREACHING THIS FOR YEARS. NOONE IS BETTER THEN OTHER LEARN ALL ASPECTS OF STRIKING AND USE IT FOR WHAT YOU NEED.
Yes sir! Thank you for the comment 🙏🏽
Nieky Holsken moves back and forth between Muay Thai, K1 kickboxing and boxing
I recently started training in JKD and was on the fence about whether I should take Boxing or MT to compliment my JKD. But after some research I’m leaning more towards MT, though after at least a year of MT I want to try kali.
There's actually quite a few muay thai fighters that went into boxing and did quite well. A few such as Sagat and Samart won world championships
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Somrak won a gold medal in boxing at the Olympics
MT has so much variation you'll never get bore. Add some karate side and speed kick to it for fun.
I just got my daughter in Muay Thai and she is 9 I want her to be good with the hands should I take her out of Muay thai and put her in boxing
I think Muay Thai is much more valuable all around. If she has the right coach she will learn some good boxing in the process. Or she can add boxing later after getting a strong foundation with Muay Thai. Good job getting your daughter into martial arts, sir. The benefits are many.
Thai is much more rounded and deadly. What would really be best is keep her doing Muay Thai and sharpen her hands with boxing
Nah, Muay thai is a superior version of Boxing.
Enroll her to both if you have the cash.
One day of boxing a week until she get good hands.
Adding Savate low stomp kicks will make the kicking aspects more effective since they can be done from a clinch.
I find the kicks kill boxers thing to be very true. I myself am a boxer and before I’d had any fights, I tried out Thai boxing for a bit but found this kicks very difficult to get past in sparring. Now I’m more experienced with boxing and I’m about to have my 5th fight, I’d like to take my experience to Thai boxing again after and see if I get on with it better then.
For striking, I I learned Muay Thai first, but my trainer threw in boxing, so I would have good hands and head movement. 🥊🥊
my personal opinion is that a combo of boxing + muay thai + wrestling + bjj > muay thai + bjj > muay thai or bjj > boxing and i believe this ranking works as far as fighting/self defense goes and how they stack up against each other but even if boxing is last in this ranking it shouldn't be underestimated, someone with little boxing experience can beat someone with little mt experience simply because there are fewer things to learn and a boxer always has a chance because of their speed and power. one thing that i don't like about boxing in a self defense situation is that you can easily hurt yourself whereas a mt guy can clinch and knee, low kick, teep and use elbows who are relatively safe but in a life or death situation maybe the trade off of a broken hand is a good deal if u get to live. in the end all of these are extremely effective arts and you should learn whatever you prefer, all will make you a badass and way safer than doing other arts.
Dillian Whyte, Florian Marku, The klitschko’s, Benny Mahoney all came from kickboxing/MT to boxing. Think MT fighter Nathan Bendon used to box at a decent standard too
I saw many comments about Samart but not Somrak. Somrak Kamsing was one of Muay Thai legend who also got Olympic Gold medal for Boxing in 1996 (Atlanta). He was in the same weight class as Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (Bronze) But Floyd lost to Serafim Todorov then Todorov lost to Somrak in the the Final.
All facts...Somrak is a pure legend, and that Todorov/ Floyd fight was possibly the worst travesty I've ever seen in sports. We were robbed of 2 future GOATS facing off against each other
You should do muay thai. Trust me. It's an entirely different crowd. In my opinion, that's a big reason it's such a good martial art.
I did muay thai for 4 months and feel well rounded
that's awesome!
Go train more. Give it another few years and youll feel even more sufficient
@@bille7585 I know I still have a lot to learn still but one day I'll go back hopefully soon
Did Muay Thai few years ago and just didn't like the way the way the gym and a big injury were going and gained weight now and been thinking about boxing so I'll go down to the boxing gym when they open up for the year
There have been many Muay Thai fighters who have crossed over and won boxing titles. Many. I cannot spell the names correctly but Samart Payakaroon, Khosai Galaxy, Seansak Mangsurin, Chartchai Chinoi, Mungchai Kittikasem, Sor Rungvisai, and on and on. Most of them have been in week divisions and many benefit from fighting in Thailand, but some have been truly great in boxing. This kind of troubles me, since I am a boxing fan but the limits of the boxing rules make it more easy for someone to transfer to boxing from Muay Thai than the opposite, I think. Also, boxers only enter into MMA or mixed fights after they are way past their prime and needing a pay day.
Heaps of kickboxers and Muai Thai fighters have had pro boxing fights as well.
John Wayne Parr is just 1 example.
Late to the party. I’ve been boxing since I was 13 but have a big interest in Muay Thai and was wondering if there is a by the book way to blend the styles or is it more by feel?
there is no by the book way with any form of fighting or martial arts, so blending would be fully in the hands of the person learning both styles. I hope that makes sense.
@@Krufessor_Rad absolutely. Looking at the basics you’ve showed in your videos, the knees and elbows would blend fantastic with my style. I appreciate the speedy comment on a older video though, earned the sub from me
I had to explain something similar to a friend I met in a boxing class. I started training in Muay Thai around 12 years ago (mixed in with some wrestling and mma) out of a gym in San Diego. After about 3 years I realized my hands weren't that great and started to practice boxing because my boxing coach literally said, "Mijo, you got some nice kicks but your hands suck, come to my class." 😅
It was only then when I started boxing some proficient boxers that I realized, "holy sh** my hands do suck." This was in comparison to them because I had that traditional squared up thai stance and all they needed to do was flick that jab.
Now, 12 years later, I pride myself in my standup due to the incorporation of boxing into my muay thai.
Long story short, Bravo! You hit the nail in the head with this video 👏
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If you do Boxe, it easily transfers to the use of elbows. When you are a lightning with your arms, elbows just follow.
Plus, the Footwork you learn by boxing and head movements are invaluable.
You can use head movements when they are meant to dodge and at the same time immediately close the distance to do a takedown or pivoting to evade completely the central line..
All those things can be applied. You just need to adapt those techniques to the environment by using good intelligence. You need brain to fight, and a lot.. But the majority of people doesn't make good use of it.
Add good chi soul and low wing Chun then learn internal wing Chun add alot better structure and Power as they spealize in muscle and joint control. Just adds to your arsonel
The big difference besides sweeping opponent to the floor... are ELBOWS, KNEES & TEEEEP! that make Muay Thai more practical compared to Boxing
The way I see this is: Takin one narrow skill to its 100% VS taking 5 skills to 20% each.
Well, that's not necessarily how I see it. I'm saying that one skill only uses 20% of the weapons available. I would rather use 100% of them, (this isn't even including the clinch fighting) and be very skilled at using them all by adopting practices that exist in the three striking styles I'm talking about. This way I'm skilled as close to 100% as possible as an overall striker. No one is, or will ever be skilled 100%.. I hope that makes sense. 🙂
In mma you have guys that use 90% hands destroying complete strikers, of course they are aware of kicks and other elements.
In the west, boxing is done by everyone, just like kicking in Thailand....learning muay thai, and adjusting to understand boxing is a good path, because its much easier to adjust thai stance and footwork to boxing than vice versa. I am a femur- technical fighter who has high level clinch, and i can frustrate opponents before even having to pull out my boxing skills
On crossing over between boxing and kickboxing I want to say Israel Adesanya crossed over into boxing for a short time in his kickboxing career.
I didn't know that. That's pretty cool That guy has kind of done it all.
@@Krufessor_Rad Oh yeah, already a living legend in any ring and doesn't seem to be slowing down.
Muay Thai and heavy punching style k-1 mixed with a lil bit of judo is the best
here’s the long reply with my questions I was talking about. I’m not great at multitasking so idk how one learns 2 martial arts at once without lacking progress or being behind in one of them let alone learning many down the line (like how does one have time to train in countless martial arts, sleep full 8 hours, have time for other stuff, have energy for other physically demanding stuff, and not feel tired or pass out all throughout each day?), especially after hearing how TKD kicks can be powerful when used right and now hearing about Yaw Yan (also what is Kali? J heard of Escrima but not a lot). I also don’t know much about combat sports equipment, cleaning them, drying them, etc. Whatever helpful advice you give, I thank you in advance. If you know any specific products that fit what I’m after, please drop the names and links so I know what they look like and the costs too. I’m hoping to put them in my Christmas wishlist already.
Does Muay Thai give you as much stamina as boxing does or higher due to all the limbs and joints being used? I want to learn both Muay Thai and boxing at the same time as a beginner but I have questions and concerns on whether or not it's possible for me and how. If I do have to choose one of them to learn first instead of both I'm looking for the one that will give me:
- the impossibly highest amounts of all kinds of stamina, strength, endurance, force, power, speed, reflexes, reaction speed, alertness so I know if I'm not alone and when something's about to happen, the ability to change my actions midway as soon as I change my mind, etc. (since I know there are more than one of each of the stuff mentioned like did you know strength endurance is a thing? what is that???) as I want the abilities of a god or titan. I ESPECIALLY WANT IMPOSSIBLY HIGH STAMINA AND ENDURANCE
- impossibly highest durability for my body as I want to be indestructible like a Kengan Ashura fighter (esp either "The Monster" or Saw Paing Yoroizuka) or even more durable than that
- the highest immunity to feeling pain as if I have no nervous system at all
- success in fighting weapon-less and winning against multiple attackers and 4-5 people as the minimum (and I'm hoping for both success and winning in fighting against untrained attackers and fighting against trained attackers)
- the most success and skills while training solo (since again I've got no fighters or gyms at all near me so I'm just at home and I've seen online content and channels for Muay Thai as well as boxing)
- requires the least amount of equipment for financial reasons
I'm broke af, my height is 5'2, I'm overweight (slightly less than 200lbs), I haven't worked out in years and even when I did it wasn't for long term, I live far from places so gyms and fighters aren't available for me to go to, I'm not a multitasker but I want to be and want to know how, and the place I live in is fragile if these help you narrow down answers.
Is it possible to learn 2 martial arts at the same
(I am the one who he is asking about by the way)
I'm not sure what you mean by learning 2 martial arts at the same time. But personally, I would never train 2 martial arts in one day. I'll only do one. Unless I'm competing as an active and professional MMA fighter in which x hours are spent doing strikes, x hours are spent doing striking, and x hours are spent doing conditioning, etc. For starters, I wouldn't recommend someone to go for MMA right away. It's better to focus on 1 martial art at first for some months or years before trying out others. But if you're not the type who easily gets confused and is adaptable, feel free to learn 2 martial arts at the same time (I mean, for example, doing boxing every TTH and Muay Thai every MWF).
[Does Muay Thai give you as much stamina as boxing does or higher due to all the limbs and joints being used? I want to learn both Muay Thai and boxing at the same time as a beginner but I have questions and concerns on whether or not it's possible for me and how. If I do have to choose one of them to learn first instead of both I'm looking for the one that will give me:
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Just go for Muay Thai. Overall, both are good for stamina. It's just, when we'll talk about stamina which is breathing, I would say that boxers have better overall stamina because they fight more rounds and roadwork is highly emphasized. But of course, stamina is still important in Muay Thai and I would say that kicking requires more effort to do than punching.
Also, it really seems ridiculous when you keep on saying that you wanted to become like a titan or a god. It's a very hard feat to achieve and even I who's been doing martial arts since I was 16 is nowhere near that level.
[I'm broke af, my height is 5'2, I'm overweight (slightly less than 200lbs), I haven't worked out in years and even when I did it wasn't for long term, I live far from places so gyms and fighters aren't available for me to go to, I'm not a multitasker but I want to be and want to know how, and the place I live in is fragile if these help you narrow down answers.
Is it possible to learn 2 martial arts at the same]
-I'm not sure how but try learning martial arts via TH-cam? I have a friend who is mostly self taught in martial arts and he would try out different styles. He is obese. But he's just that good at adapting. He focused a lot on his flexibility and he could do TKD-like kicks ever since he started with us. First, he would imitate Jackie Chan's Drunken Master (minus the really acrobatic tumbling parts). But right now, he can do cartwheel and rolls.
@@akizaizayoi4763 hey I apologize for it being a lot to read but thanks for replying! what about the equipment questions I had? What would the answers for boxing vs MT be? Any equipment that can serve for both? Also does your friend have social media or nah? Speaking of which, I gave you a subscribe btw!
You’ve been helpful and I’m thinking of trying to do both boxing & MT like you said in your old reply. I shouldn’t let my own flaws stop me from trying the both of them, even your friend seems to get the hang of stuff.
Another channel I remember who does lots of informative vids on all kinds of mobility and strengthening areas is Phil Daru and I think his videos may even help you with your flexibility goals! His stuff on hip mobility is also great!
Like this one: th-cam.com/video/ir6al74NCu0/w-d-xo.html
The reason why I’m suggesting him is because he’s got a bulky muscular kind of build but he’s got stamina, endurance, strength, speed, agility, and is probably more mobile than I am so he definitely beats the “big buff guy = slow movements and tired easily” expectation. He’s done a fighting career of 10 years before becoming a successful coach that knows a bunch of science and processes so he knows his stuff and knows what it’s like on both sides. Although you have more experience in martial arts, I think this channel can also give some advice so I’m hoping it can help you back since you’ve been pretty great in giving me advice. Thank you.
@@twentyonetortas5921 yeah I forgot to answer those questions. For both, you will be needing a heavy bag of course. For boxing, you will need mitts and then boxing gloves. For Muay Thai, just boxing gloves and kicking shields which can act as mitts. Although mitts are better for training accurate punches.
Anyways, I get that you have lots of questions and have little to no experiences in martial arts and fitness. But seriously. You will just learn most of them when you're in it. I cannot answer them all of course because I believe you will have more questions coming for me.
Also, just some trivia about me: recently I am looking forward to wanting to learn to dance because there are simply some "muscles" that dancing will help me utilize more and would be a great way to improve my overall mobility and agility.
Israel Adesanya, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson all dance as hobbies. Sugar Ray Robinson even did tap dancing career when he retired for 2 and a half years and even stated that for him, dancing was harder. Lomachenko's dad put him into dance lessons when he was a kid.
@@akizaizayoi4763 thanks for answering the equipment part. I didn’t know the heavy bag did MT as well I thought it was just boxing only. Mitts are all the same for boxing and MT and there isn’t a difference, right? I can’t be surprised if it’s the same for hand wraps too. What kinda dance lessons did he do as a kid?
I noticed that you got some Kpop playlists. Charisahoo is this TH-cam channel I subscribed to years back and she usually does tutorials for Kpop dances. What made me find her and become a subscriber years back was seeing her be the only one to do a proper tutorial or closest to proper for the choreography of NCT U’s debut song The 7th Sense when no one else did a realistic tutorial for it and that choreography was considered one of the more difficult Kpop dances of its time in 2016. She’s also done tutorials for BTS years before they became as known as they are now. I hope this helps in case you do Kpop dancing. I heard about shuffle dancing like in EDM or electro swing so maybe it can help with footwork.
@@twentyonetortas5921 mitts and kicking shields are different. Mitts can be used as kicking shields but not recommended. I already explained it. Re-read my comment.
According to Wikipedia: he did Ukrainian dance.
I am mostly into 1st and 2nd gen KPOP only. I don't like today's KPOP.
The dances that I wanted to learn by the way is SES's I'm Your Girl and I Love You.
I see. I'll check her out. And yeah dancing can help in one's footwork and like what I've said, it helps train muscles that most workouts and martial arts won't be able to tackle.
Well one teaches you many different things while still being able to improve your hands. The other only teaches you to improve your hands. The answer is obvious.
I personally like Muay Thai
There are dozens of Kickboxers and Muay Thai fighters that won MAJOR WORLD TITLES in Boxing !
I like to start with boxing than train Muay Thai after
Im boxing, but soon ill start muay thai too becouse I love both fighting styles
Beautiful videos. SUbscribed
Honest answer Rad, I'd be 30 in a few months. I am interested in martial arts but have never given myself a chance to get into one.
I plan to get into Judo as it is the closest to me, and I like it. I also would want to go into Muay Thai later on (maybe 6 months after getting started in Judo), and then Boxing much later (About a year after getting into Muay Thai). First of all is this a good plan? and most importantly; am I too old to get any good at it?
I've been in and out of the gym since I was 18, I have quite a high body fat %, I weigh about 84kg and have low physical fitness.. Do I even stand a chance?
you're only limited to what your mind believes, if you believe in yourself.. you can!
Boxing if you want to keep your attacker at bay.
Muay Thai if you want to make sure your attacker never walks again.
Sanda if you want to treat your attacker like a ragdoll.
I trained both
Agree
I believe the Klitschko brothers were kickboxers also dillian white...I believe nicky holtzen fought in boxing as well
subscribed:)
thank you very much.
Troy Dorsey was Boxing and Kickboxing world champion
I trained in Boxing since 12, I tried Kickboxing at 16 but stopped training after a few months- but around 29 or 30 (Im 34 now) I picked Kickboxing back up with a focus on Muay Thai, however I do try to mix in some traditional MA like TKD, Kung Fu/Wing Chun, & Karate. I would say that while Im not in the best physical shape like I was in my 20s, Im by far the most dangerous fighter Ive ever been which is funny since at 18 Id fight regularly at the drop of a dime but now that Im getting older I do everything I can to avoid fights.. took awhile but it finally clicked in "fighting hurts" and not just that but fighting REALLY FUCKING HURTS
Take vitamins bro and keep up on your calcium intake. As we get older, things don’t work the same but vitamins and extra calcium will help you stay ahead of the game .. or stay up to par I should say
im a beginner, i workout and have decent cardio. i want to learn self defence and eventually get a few pro fights in, which one should I learn first as my base as id probably be learning the other when I master the base
I did Muay Thai and then boxing then kickboxing and my main training for striking is Muay Thai. It’s really in what you’re most interested in so you can find motivation and passion. From there you can build and stack your skills.
I’m a boxer and I’m thinking about training in Muay Thai but I’m not the flexible
I’ve noticed a lot of boxers doing muy Thai now my gym is a mix of both kick boxing and muy thai. People saying m it’s not effective hasn’t done it and hasn’t taken a kick.
is sanshou or chinese kickboxing any good? I've heard it incorporates kickboxing and chinese wrestling (Shuai jiao) or something like that
yes, i believe you're correct. I know Cung Li did very well in MMA coming from a serious Sanshou background and being very dominant there before switching over.
I trained in sanshou and I'm doing boxing ATM to build up my hands and going to take BJJ up as well for grappling and then look at competing in MMA
@@joshuarenfrey2665 Is it good for a striking base
Yes it is
Sounds interesting I’m gonna look it up , kickboxing and wrestling are good combos , plus boxing if u can
Whichever one you choose, show up to class every day. Your choice of martial art doesn't matter if you're not showing up to class daily.
Agree 💯
But if you were to combine these two sports boxing and wrestling and turn them into a martial art. would it be effective? Dodge punches and punching to get closer and looking for opening to wrestle him down and make a competition of this two it would be entertainment on another level. Greco roman style or freestyle.
I have been thinking of boxing and muay Thai for a while.
I joined a normal weight gym and just used the bag out of absalute rage.
With adhd -memory wise which one is easier to sink into my brain please?? I dont want to go into grading or competitions.
Whichever peaks your interest the most. Try a couple places. See what style and gym culture you prefer more. Considerations could be orice, coaching style, gym vibe, and travel time.
Find what you feel will keep you enthusiastic about going to class.
I hope that helps
I'm looking to do either boxing or muay Thai since I like both.
I found 1 boxing club where I can train 3 x a week for 1h30 each
Or a Thai box club close to my place but is 3x a week from which I can only join 1 session a week.
Choices...
Try them both and see which one you like the most for now. Not just the training but the gym culture. This way you can stay motivated and find your passion. You can stack your skills after you develop a base.
If worried about self defense just remember don't kick while wearing jeans. Men you will need jeggings now to defend yourself. Good luck.
I've been saying this for years... Pro boxer vs pro muay thai fighter boxer will lose 10/10 times. Muay thai kicks are deadly man, I do MMA and speak from experience