I don't often think of Sibelius as a "piano composer," but I've never heard a piano piece by Sibelius I didn't love. This is really a masterpiece, and I admire its relatively modest scope and scale. Much more in the mold of Haydn than Scriabin, say.
It's definitely more in the classical spirit than romantic or modernist. It really is wonderful and "modest"! I love Sibelius and he's a big influence on my orchestral writing, but now I realize I have to learn his piano works
Sibelius' piano music is wonderful. It is a pity that only few pieces are well known. The piano plays also a great role in the violin and cello compositions (Malinconia is the best known, but there are other gems...). And let's not forget the piano trios!
How delightful!!! I see a lot of people here like to show off their knowledge, but I think this piece has such a lovely youthful energy! And regarding "pianistic", what does that even mean? There are so many different ways you could write for the piano, which you will see if you play a lot of different pieces from different eras, that's the beauty of the instrument! Not everything has to sound like Chopin or some other composer that EVERY pianist plays. To me, this is a very nice discovery from the neighbours in the east.
It means it is ergonomic for the hand. Less times having to jump around and change hand positions. Or just passage configurations that are unnecessarily hard on the hand that could be reworked. Strauss burleske for example. It is stupid hard bc it just doesn’t fit the hand
Some harsh criticism here.... I agree the pianist could have been more poetic and expansive in places, but he does many nice things too, especially in the middle part. And hey, we should be grateful to any pianist who is out on a limb to present an obscure work - as well as to the uploader posting it and taking the trouble to provide the scrore too. Don't don't look a gift horse in the mouth, and all that... The piece is maybe not Sibelius' best, none of his piano work is, but it has a certain rugged appeal that is also found in his early orchestral work. The textures and writing can be unpianistic but they're amazingly effective and here and there some gorgeous passages crop up. An intriguing work. Many thanks for posting OctaveStorm !
Normally I think Sibelius usually loses his personal voice when writing for the piano (his style seems so orchestrally based that once he starts writing for solo instruments it doesn’t sound like him at all). This is one of the few piano works of his thats sounds totally like Sibelius and no other composer. Obviously not his best work, but characterful and very charming!
We're all familiar with Sibelius' great orchestral music, but this is unknown. First, thanks to Octavestorm for introducing us to this music; second, while it's not the the full-blooded Sibelius we're used to, this is certainly interesting music by a young Sibelius which was strongly influence by Grieg, and it's nicely played.
Played this for a recital in college. Everybody knocks the piece because it’s rustic in spots and Sibelius wasn’t a pianist, but I think it’s more authentic than many Mozart, etc pieces
Mozart's solo piano works aren't the most interesting part of his output. He didn't write them for the concert hall but for amateur pianists. He displayed his virtuoso skill at the piano in his concertos instead, which is why he wrote so many of them.
+walti945 I have been practicing piano 17 years ago and I'm organising one concert per month here in center of brittany, i think I'm not ignorant. This ending got an amazing energy in my opinion, similable to Beethoven's sonatas, but more positive.
Marvelous discovery. OK, you piano purists, Sibelius was a violinist. So what. This piece is enjoyable on it's own without absurd and overblown criticism.
This piece sounds like a symphony sibelius never orchestrated. i had to do it some justice, so i made an orchestreation of it here if you care to check it out! : th-cam.com/video/vGvk3B5GE0E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=X8rLoqixdBbV1TZR Hope you all like it.
Any pianist trying to approach this "pianistically" is a damned fool ! Are you silly "purist" pianists deaf to the marvelous orchestral, symphonic colours here ??? A master symphonist here , Sibelius isn't playing silly little piano sonata games , oh no , he is on to something much bigger here , pianists should be aware of isolating themselves in a severely restricted homogenous tonal imagination, for they end up not being very imaginative at all .
As much as Sibelius gets a “pass”, this isn’t a very well-composed piece of *piano* writing, it’s too orchestral. His 3sonatinas are much better written and more idiomatic to the piano. I highly recommend people check those out. They’re lovely, perfectly-crafted miniatures.
Sounds like the pianist needs to rush off somewhere so every phrase was rushed, many of the notes in the opening were sentenced to oblivion never to be heard of again. It could have sounded great, for sure it's a good composition but the interpreter isn't leaving any room for it to breath. I would have wanted to see the finer points of the music if there were any but too much virtuosity can sometimes get in the way of an honestly sweet expression and rendition of an otherwise melody filled work. For sure, I wasn't expecting Sibelius to write about clanging and bangings of hard wooden materials or the bustle of vehicles in near collision of each other. I know Sibelius wrote so many fine and memorable melodies but the performer here got me lost in translation so that I wanted to doubt that now. Otherwise I could be wrong and this work really sucks. Just my opinion. Let no one get overly excited over this. I'm just saying that for a relatively unknown or obscure and unfamiliar work to find it's comftable place in the very wide universe of classical music, I think the performer should justify it's performance in the first place, and why we should listen to it. I'm pretty sure that would have been Sibelius' objective as well. Otherwise, like I said, maybe it really just sucks and that's why it's been consigned to anonymity or never got it's due credit.
I don't often think of Sibelius as a "piano composer," but I've never heard a piano piece by Sibelius I didn't love. This is really a masterpiece, and I admire its relatively modest scope and scale. Much more in the mold of Haydn than Scriabin, say.
It's definitely more in the classical spirit than romantic or modernist. It really is wonderful and "modest"! I love Sibelius and he's a big influence on my orchestral writing, but now I realize I have to learn his piano works
Great observation
Excellent. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Sibelius' piano music is underrated.
Really?..
Sibelius' piano music is wonderful. It is a pity that only few pieces are well known. The piano plays also a great role in the violin and cello compositions (Malinconia is the best known, but there are other gems...). And let's not forget the piano trios!
How delightful!!! I see a lot of people here like to show off their knowledge, but I think this piece has such a lovely youthful energy! And regarding "pianistic", what does that even mean? There are so many different ways you could write for the piano, which you will see if you play a lot of different pieces from different eras, that's the beauty of the instrument! Not everything has to sound like Chopin or some other composer that EVERY pianist plays. To me, this is a very nice discovery from the neighbours in the east.
It means it is ergonomic for the hand. Less times having to jump around and change hand positions. Or just passage configurations that are unnecessarily hard on the hand that could be reworked. Strauss burleske for example. It is stupid hard bc it just doesn’t fit the hand
I hear a lot of grieg here. Beautiful music
Fantastic interpretation of a very difficult-to-interpret piece! Thank you!
Right, this is going on my learn list.
it would be ironic if the score was made using Finale.
jlapierremusic lol!
Nice!
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I don't get it
I just listened to this work for the first time and very much enjoyed it, especially the second movement.
Some harsh criticism here.... I agree the pianist could have been more poetic and expansive in places, but he does many nice things too, especially in the middle part. And hey, we should be grateful to any pianist who is out on a limb to present
an obscure work - as well as to the uploader posting it and taking the trouble to provide the scrore too. Don't don't look a gift horse in the mouth, and all that...
The piece is maybe not Sibelius' best, none of his piano work is, but it has a certain rugged appeal that is also found in his early orchestral work. The textures and writing can be unpianistic but they're amazingly effective and here and there some gorgeous passages crop up. An intriguing work. Many thanks for posting OctaveStorm !
I agree lol
Piano music allows you to understand the nature of a composer. When they compose for an orchestra, their dreams come true.
Normally I think Sibelius usually loses his personal voice when writing for the piano (his style seems so orchestrally based that once he starts writing for solo instruments it doesn’t sound like him at all). This is one of the few piano works of his thats sounds totally like Sibelius and no other composer. Obviously not his best work, but characterful and very charming!
We're all familiar with Sibelius' great orchestral music, but this is unknown. First, thanks to Octavestorm for introducing us to this music; second, while it's not the the full-blooded Sibelius we're used to, this is certainly interesting music by a young Sibelius which was strongly influence by Grieg, and it's nicely played.
This is such a fun piece to listen to!
Played this for a recital in college. Everybody knocks the piece because it’s rustic in spots and Sibelius wasn’t a pianist, but I think it’s more authentic than many Mozart, etc pieces
Actually Sibelius was a pianist, he played piano since he was a small child and was very good at it.
Mozart's solo piano works aren't the most interesting part of his output. He didn't write them for the concert hall but for amateur pianists. He displayed his virtuoso skill at the piano in his concertos instead, which is why he wrote so many of them.
Very symphonic piece. I can hear the orchestra fitting to this very well. No doubt it's hard to execute smoothly on the piano
This piece sounds like it was meant to be a piano concerto
it does
7:37 - Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody Nº 2
Which part?
@@tarikeld11 the crazy one
@@eylamgrunfeld5733 ah...??
@@tarikeld11 Friska, the second part of Hungarian rhapsody no.2
Превосходно( особенно первые две части). Для меня - открытие: впервые услышал эту Сонату.
Same
This coda is one of the best ever seen in piano sonatas !
you seem a little ignorant :-)
+walti945 I have been practicing piano 17 years ago and I'm organising one concert per month here in center of brittany, i think I'm not ignorant. This ending got an amazing energy in my opinion, similable to Beethoven's sonatas, but more positive.
Veramente notevole per il giovane Sibelius!
Il carattere è quasi impressionistico!
It seems to have the spirit of Grieg about it.
9:47 Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 It has a similar sound but with its own style at the same time
that's not the compliment you imagine it to be.
Sibelius is just as merry as it gets!!!!!
Really really nice sonata!
Marvelous discovery. OK, you piano purists, Sibelius was a violinist. So what. This piece is enjoyable on it's own without absurd and overblown criticism.
Loved the piece - thanks for introducing it to me!
16:22 to the end is pretty cool
Спасибо огромное, я и не знал что у Сибелиуса есть соната.
Thanks for uloading!
Lovely piano peice
Very catchy
I wouldn't say it's the most pianistic sonata, but i like it nevertheless!
It can be easily seen that this could be potentially orchestrated, it's typical of Sibelius' style.
Sibelius’ lack of piano expertise is evident for sure, but I still think it sound great. Definitely could be transcribed for a concerto.
Tiene el encanto de lo simple y transparente :)
0:27 - 0:35 sounds like Schubert
"The pianist plays unmusically" - I wish I could figure out what that meant!
More from Sibelius...
Sibelius - 10 Pensées lyriques, Op. 40 - Erik T. Tawaststjerna
The ending shows the influence of the ending of the Appassionata.
Like this
Beautiful video
some of it is a little odd. However, there are gems like these hidden under all the other stuff!!
And so who is the performer?
Its in the description!!!!! }:(
10:19
8:13
To sum up with one word: nostalgia...
Also, there's something very Lord-of-the-Rings-y about the 2nd movement somehow.
Сибелиус ипотеку сдал?
This piece sounds like a symphony sibelius never orchestrated. i had to do it some justice, so i made an orchestreation of it here if you care to check it out! : th-cam.com/video/vGvk3B5GE0E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=X8rLoqixdBbV1TZR
Hope you all like it.
Any pianist trying to approach this "pianistically" is a damned fool ! Are you silly "purist" pianists deaf to the marvelous orchestral, symphonic colours here ??? A master symphonist here , Sibelius isn't playing silly little piano sonata games , oh no , he is on to something much bigger here , pianists should be aware of isolating themselves in a severely restricted homogenous tonal imagination, for they end up not being very imaginative at all .
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Gud va jobbigt att läsa noterna och lyssna på när det spelas. Tror inte jag gillar detta stycke. Bara stressigt.
sounds like debussy with a neoclassical approach
Date of this is ca. 1890, so spot on guess there.
finnish...
tu peux t’abonnés stp.:D et je rend.
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eesh. not sibelius' best piece...
Sibelius chamber music is fantastic but I can’t stand his symphonies.
As much as Sibelius gets a “pass”, this isn’t a very well-composed piece of *piano* writing, it’s too orchestral. His 3sonatinas are much better written and more idiomatic to the piano. I highly recommend people check those out. They’re lovely, perfectly-crafted miniatures.
Sounds like the pianist needs to rush off somewhere so every phrase was rushed, many of the notes in the opening were sentenced to oblivion never to be heard of again. It could have sounded great, for sure it's a good composition but the interpreter isn't leaving any room for it to breath. I would have wanted to see the finer points of the music if there were any but too much virtuosity can sometimes get in the way of an honestly sweet expression and rendition of an otherwise melody filled work. For sure, I wasn't expecting Sibelius to write about clanging and bangings of hard wooden materials or the bustle of vehicles in near collision of each other. I know Sibelius wrote so many fine and memorable melodies but the performer here got me lost in translation so that I wanted to doubt that now. Otherwise I could be wrong and this work really sucks. Just my opinion. Let no one get overly excited over this. I'm just saying that for a relatively unknown or obscure and unfamiliar work to find it's comftable place in the very wide universe of classical music, I think the performer should justify it's performance in the first place, and why we should listen to it. I'm pretty sure that would have been Sibelius' objective as well. Otherwise, like I said, maybe it really just sucks and that's why it's been consigned to anonymity or never got it's due credit.
I agree. The pianist plays unmusically and spoils Sibelius's work.
Seems more concerned with using doubling in fifths than composing quality music.
Bro is afraid of fifths
@@WEEBLLOM bro is obsessed with fifths
@@Whatismusic123 yes I am
@@WEEBLLOM no wonder you're so incompetent. An obsession over something so redundant...
@@Whatismusic123 fifths are so redundant 😒