Finally, a new video about aircraft! Thanks for all the interesting and exciting topics, your uploads are always worth to be watched several times. Keep up the great work!
Sorry Boeing. Much as I admire all you do and respect all your achievements it wasn't YOU it was the British that made every major development and innovation on Aircraft Carrier design and operation. We pioneered take-offs from moving ships in 1912 and landing on ships in 1917, we launched the first aircraft carrier, HMS Ark Royal, in 1914 and the first purpose built aircraft carrier, HMS Hermes, in 1918, the first 'island to Starboard' flight deck, the first angled flight deck, the first catapults and arrestors, the first mirror assisted landing systems and landed the first jets. And much more. While I totally admire US Patriotism there is a world outside of the USA and when you say 'This was the first...' maybe add '...in America'? But good luck in all you do and its good to see those brave Navy pilots (which include many RAF and RN people) will be much safer as a result of this development.
1chish HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S FUNNY!!! Yeah, what you don't realize is 1) you're mentioning who was the FIRST to make something, Boeing helped develop carrier technologies. In case you didn't notice, England was around long before Boeing was. 2) Boeing doesn't specialize in carrier technologies; they specialize in aircraft technologies, working along side Lockheed Martin.
Wheatley So why did Boeing make out they were first in so many carrier aspects then? If they hadn't I wouldn't have made the observation. And what Boeing was like so many US companies who are good at taking someone else's inventions and developments and manufacturing lots of copies... Oh and its not 'england'. Its Britain. Or the UK. Or Great Britain. We are 4 Nations united. Oh and Boeing was founded in 1916 2 years before we launched HMS Argus ...
1chish Britain, my bad, lol. And you seem to be underestimating the importance of development, that's what the US basically specializes in, technologically. The computer, for example was developed from a room-sized piece of shit to the modern computer. Most of that development took place in the US and Japan (which was modernized and restored by, and got it's technical foundation, from the US). It's not a bad thing to develop a technology. You still get credit for how you improve it. Inventing it is just one, albeit large, step in the making of any one concept.
Wheatley You make a fair point and of course all things get improved in time. Especially if you have a huge home market like the USA to sell into. But it is creating something out of nothing that is the clever part. Surely having the insight or lateral thinking to create something completely new, develop the materials and skills to make it happen and prove a new theory works has to have more credit than someone who takes all that and makes thousands of copies? Was Packard better than Rolls Royce because they made 5,000 Merlins under licence? Were GE better because they copied the Whittle engines that were sent to them? Making, possibly improving anything, is a fantastic skill and should be recognised. But I don't think those that copy should be allowed to airbrush out, let alone re-write the history of, those who came up with the idea in the first place. I recently sent an email to Newport News shipbuilders for doing just that. They said they 'shaped the world' with the first aircraft carrier in one of their publications. I pointed out it was us in Britain did that 10 years earlier with HMS Hermes the first aircraft carrier laid down as such. I never got the courtesy of a reply.
1chish "clever part" is very relative. And I would disagree. At this point it's getting more philosophical. Yes, inventing something is usually the most important part. But improving can, in many cases, easily be the hardest and most complicated part of creating. You seem to take development for granted; "of course all things get improved in time" missing the whole point that it's not something that just comes with time. People have to come up with solutions and such, you can't just take development as something that just happens. There's a reason we haven't been to, for example, Mars. Until recently, we didn't have the technology to get there (and we still have another 10 years to go), and the most important aspect was developing the rocket (along with funding for development, showing again how development can't be taken for granted again for yet another reason). The rocket was invented accidentally, estimated a couple millennia or whatever ago (I don't remember exactly, but I think it was around 500 A.C.E.). The development of rocketry has been, and still is, no doubt the most important aspect of it's future. That's just an example of course, but it just shows that development can't be taken for granted.
so McDonnell Douglas is a heritage company fighter pool? does St.Louis do any local design work or does Boeing just recruit students out of the high quality St.louis educational system to work in Chicago?
Mark Tuchinsky it's not about fuel, the same way ILS isn't about fuel. By the time you're landing, fuel isn't the priority either, considering you are getting ready to refuel.
flandersrobby It's like advanced ILS, except far more accurate, accounting for a non-static runway, more specific location updates, the fact that it isn't ILS, since ILS is ground-based, and unlike ILS, it is actively co-controlling the aircraft until even after the aircraft touches down, and ILS turns off way before you approach touchdown. In addition, magic carpet throttles the aircraft automatically to 70% when it detects deceleration from the arresting wire, whereas a pilot throttles _up_ to full throttle when touching down, both starting at 85% throttle.
flandersrobby Not exactly. If I understand correctly, is a gamma-dot like control law. That is, pilot longitudinal inputs on the stick will make soft glide path corrections, while disturbances such as wind and turbulence will not disturb it. With that the pilot basically "aims" the flight path vector easily at the touchdown point and that is it.
Ben Kolbeck it is an onboard computer system designed to enhance landing technology on an aircraft relying on the arresting gear. It describes that perfectly fine, if you listen to the video.
like from MICDS with there state of the art science and research lab which was a donation by the McDonnell family an Washington university in St.Louis and its "Global leaders program" established by the McDonnell family? I hope so Boeing is a great company I hope St.Louis will support your company for years to come.
Very cool...i think that navy pilots will appreciate this but, they're probably just going to continue to use manual landings, as that provides critical fatigue, and other data from pilots.
Finally, a new video about aircraft! Thanks for all the interesting and exciting topics, your uploads are always worth to be watched several times. Keep up the great work!
You guys are making amazing things! I'm really interested in this kind of thing and hope to pursue this career soon.
Very well done!
Sorry Boeing. Much as I admire all you do and respect all your achievements it wasn't YOU it was the British that made every major development and innovation on Aircraft Carrier design and operation. We pioneered take-offs from moving ships in 1912 and landing on ships in 1917, we launched the first aircraft carrier, HMS Ark Royal, in 1914 and the first purpose built aircraft carrier, HMS Hermes, in 1918, the first 'island to Starboard' flight deck, the first angled flight deck, the first catapults and arrestors, the first mirror assisted landing systems and landed the first jets. And much more. While I totally admire US Patriotism there is a world outside of the USA and when you say 'This was the first...' maybe add '...in America'? But good luck in all you do and its good to see those brave Navy pilots (which include many RAF and RN people) will be much safer as a result of this development.
1chish HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S FUNNY!!!
Yeah, what you don't realize is 1) you're mentioning who was the FIRST to make something, Boeing helped develop carrier technologies. In case you didn't notice, England was around long before Boeing was. 2) Boeing doesn't specialize in carrier technologies; they specialize in aircraft technologies, working along side Lockheed Martin.
Wheatley
So why did Boeing make out they were first in so many carrier aspects then? If they hadn't I wouldn't have made the observation. And what Boeing was like so many US companies who are good at taking someone else's inventions and developments and manufacturing lots of copies... Oh and its not 'england'. Its Britain. Or the UK. Or Great Britain. We are 4 Nations united. Oh and Boeing was founded in 1916 2 years before we launched HMS Argus ...
1chish Britain, my bad, lol. And you seem to be underestimating the importance of development, that's what the US basically specializes in, technologically. The computer, for example was developed from a room-sized piece of shit to the modern computer. Most of that development took place in the US and Japan (which was modernized and restored by, and got it's technical foundation, from the US). It's not a bad thing to develop a technology. You still get credit for how you improve it. Inventing it is just one, albeit large, step in the making of any one concept.
Wheatley
You make a fair point and of course all things get improved in time. Especially if you have a huge home market like the USA to sell into. But it is creating something out of nothing that is the clever part. Surely having the insight or lateral thinking to create something completely new, develop the materials and skills to make it happen and prove a new theory works has to have more credit than someone who takes all that and makes thousands of copies? Was Packard better than Rolls Royce because they made 5,000 Merlins under licence? Were GE better because they copied the Whittle engines that were sent to them?
Making, possibly improving anything, is a fantastic skill and should be recognised. But I don't think those that copy should be allowed to airbrush out, let alone re-write the history of, those who came up with the idea in the first place. I recently sent an email to Newport News shipbuilders for doing just that. They said they 'shaped the world' with the first aircraft carrier in one of their publications. I pointed out it was us in Britain did that 10 years earlier with HMS Hermes the first aircraft carrier laid down as such. I never got the courtesy of a reply.
1chish "clever part" is very relative. And I would disagree. At this point it's getting more philosophical. Yes, inventing something is usually the most important part. But improving can, in many cases, easily be the hardest and most complicated part of creating. You seem to take development for granted; "of course all things get improved in time" missing the whole point that it's not something that just comes with time. People have to come up with solutions and such, you can't just take development as something that just happens. There's a reason we haven't been to, for example, Mars. Until recently, we didn't have the technology to get there (and we still have another 10 years to go), and the most important aspect was developing the rocket (along with funding for development, showing again how development can't be taken for granted again for yet another reason). The rocket was invented accidentally, estimated a couple millennia or whatever ago (I don't remember exactly, but I think it was around 500 A.C.E.). The development of rocketry has been, and still is, no doubt the most important aspect of it's future. That's just an example of course, but it just shows that development can't be taken for granted.
so McDonnell Douglas is a heritage company fighter pool?
does St.Louis do any local design work or does Boeing just recruit students out of the high quality St.louis educational system to work in Chicago?
I always wonder how those cables don't snap lol. Especially since the aircraft throttles to 100% (or 70%, in the case of Magic Carpet)
Can Boeing make a longer plane and 2 decker planes and 2 more engender
Any numbers on how much fuel you would save?
Mark Tuchinsky it's not about fuel, the same way ILS isn't about fuel. By the time you're landing, fuel isn't the priority either, considering you are getting ready to refuel.
Whats this do? Basically like an ILS on a carrier with g/s lock?
flandersrobby It's like advanced ILS, except far more accurate, accounting for a non-static runway, more specific location updates, the fact that it isn't ILS, since ILS is ground-based, and unlike ILS, it is actively co-controlling the aircraft until even after the aircraft touches down, and ILS turns off way before you approach touchdown. In addition, magic carpet throttles the aircraft automatically to 70% when it detects deceleration from the arresting wire, whereas a pilot throttles _up_ to full throttle when touching down, both starting at 85% throttle.
Wheatley wow, sounds advanced. Thanks for the response
flandersrobby Not exactly. If I understand correctly, is a gamma-dot like control law. That is, pilot longitudinal inputs on the stick will make soft glide path corrections, while disturbances such as wind and turbulence will not disturb it. With that the pilot basically "aims" the flight path vector easily at the touchdown point and that is it.
Very nice!
it takes years to master it to land a plane on a carrier deck? i used to think any fighter pilot could do it.
I can only hope that the training for this system doesn't in a any way tske away their ability to land safely with raw skill if needed.
sad to see f/a 18 being slowly getting replaced by e/a 18s and fa22s along with f 35s what is the next new plane not based on any of those
Excellent !!!
why don't you just use the vtol ability for landing???
Autolands on the carrier huh? Pretty cool, Boeing! Cheers!
The video doesn't actually describe or demonstrate what MAGIC CARPET is.
Ben Kolbeck it is an onboard computer system designed to enhance landing technology on an aircraft relying on the arresting gear. It describes that perfectly fine, if you listen to the video.
Yes, thank you, I'm well aware of that much, and that's pretty much all the video tells you.
Ben Kolbeck Exactly. That's perfectly well describes the Magic Carpet.
like from MICDS with there state of the art science and research lab
which was a donation by the McDonnell family
an Washington university in St.Louis and its "Global leaders program" established by the McDonnell family?
I hope so Boeing is a great company I hope St.Louis will support your company for years to come.
Very cool...i think that navy pilots will appreciate this but, they're probably just going to continue to use manual landings, as that provides critical fatigue, and other data from pilots.
Nice!
I see that going to Commercial Aircraft and private too...
I can imagine this causing many accidents
How about making a video about what it actually does, and not some sort of photo-op for Boeing.
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Very nice!