The Problem With Drumless Hip Hop (Response Video)
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- Dive deep into the heart of hip-hop's latest controversy in our latest video, "The Problem With Drumless Hip Hop (Response Video)." This thought-provoking piece is not just a response but an exploration into the vibrant and divisive world of Drumless Hip-Hop. From the pioneering beats of legends like RZA, J Dilla, and Madlib, to the innovative sounds of Conductor Williams, Apollo Brown, and Knxledge, we examine the criticisms, celebrate the innovations, and discuss the cultural impact and future outlook of this evolving subgenre.
We address common critiques and unpack the creative depth behind drumless tracks, featuring music and insights from iconic artists such as MF DOOM, EPMD, Outkast, and the Wu-Tang Clan, alongside modern torchbearers like The Alchemist, DJ Muggs, Nicholas Craven, Roc Marciano, Westside Gunn, Billy Woods, Earl Sweatshirt, Boldy James, Ka, and Jay Electronica.
Whether you're a die-hard fan or a skeptical critic, join us as we delve into the complexities of Drumless Hip-Hop, challenging perceptions and uncovering the truth behind the beats. Your thoughts and opinions are valuable to us, so make sure to leave a comment below sharing your views on Drumless Hip-Hop. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more content that dissects and celebrates the ever-evolving world of hip-hop.
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If drums are the deciding factor on whether or not it's hip hop, all those years on the block watching freestyle cyphers with absolutely no instrumentation at all must not have been "real hip hop", right? If you think hip hop needs drums, it just shows you're more worried about the beat being good than the lyrical content, however if you're more impressed by Lyricism than a beat, then drumless is perfect because it puts the lyrics as the main focus. That's how I see it anyway
Spot on
It’s started with breakbeats. The mcs came second
@@roastlonelysignifying (the block rhymes) is older than any DJing
U clearly don’t know hip hop then 😂
@@yaniswashington8828
hip-hop is more than just music, plus rapping is using one's voice as a percussive instrument.
poetry in of itself has beat and a pulse (using accented/stronger syllables or by even accenting them yourself, like Pac or Em).
rap vocals are drums, "drumless" is just more space for the artist to choose the main pulse of his flow
In “drumless” beats, the raps are the percussion.
EXACTLY u get it💯
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Cut it out.
thats some bs
Creating rhythm without drums is much more of an effort as it is with drums.
I hope those haters are not the typical 808 trap beat producers 🙄
I ain't, and I use to like it and I still say it's wack now
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Killah Priest - "Heavy Mental" - 1998
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Thank you.
underrated cut±
EXACTLY one of the All-Time Greatest Songs that's Slept on
KP literally has entire albums that are drumless
a lot of mainstream stuff feeling like its doing too much + trying too hard, drumless really feels like a breath of fresh air when done well. i what appreciate so much about drumless hip hop is it sets a more "minimal" stage where the oral performance really shines. if im lost i use the voice as an anchor - yes lyrics but also cadence, inflection, and pace. Roc Marciano, Mach-Hommy, Billy Woods, ELUCID, CRIMEAPPLE, Boldy James are skilled storytellers, poets, and orators and their rhythm and flows are profound in that they can stand on their own - on a beat, no beat, drums, no drums. focus on the voice and everything else usually falls into place. i view their work as a cut above the rest as pinnacles of a contemporary oral tradition.
some of my favorite tracks; Love Means, King Tubby, Tabula Rasa, The Elephant Man's Bones, Scrabble, Peppas, Adventure Time, Killin' Spree, On the Run
Well spoken. Tabula Rasa is gravy!
On point 🎯
Killin' Spree goes insane
Marciology has been on repeat all week lol glad you brought up CRIMEAPPLE
Only thing that matters is if the record is dope or not… whether it’s drumless or not is subjective. Every beat doesn’t have to be a science project. Drums or no drums, samples or synths… hip hop beats have been made all kinds of ways. This is just another phase of it.
It's the melodies and rhythm that has soul,blues and jazz for the most. Even rock.
I like my beats like i like my wings, no drums 😂
Just the bone?
I only care if it's hot. Periodt.
I love when ppl who dont even make art try and make the rules for ppl that do.
Facts
They didn't call Led Zeppelin lazy when they stole their music. They praised it. This conversation is weird, worth having but, limited when you don't consider the history of music.
Drumless hip hop has given us the best hip hop music outside of kendrick lamar for the last 10 plus years.
A good hip hop song doesn’t have to be drum beat dependent. Music has evolved. As long as you have great lyricism and the music is on point as far as the production then it’s all good. Being too beat dependent limits a producer’s ability to grow
As an artist who self produces time to time making a drumless beat does indeed take time, appreciation, creativity, and focus. Exploring the sonic nuances of a sample without the use of drums while also leaving space for lyricism is a very precise process. It’s a completely different process in comparison to other hiphop sub genres and the art of what goes into it should be known‼️ loved this video
Thank you. I appreciate your comment 🙏
Drumless beats have ushered in a new era of hip-hop and I think it’s exciting that traditional hip-hop production is evolving.
For a while it felt like the only innovation happening in hip-hop production was happening in the trap space.
And obviously drumless beats existed before the alchemist but to make it a production signature and take the drums out for whole projects is something we haven’t seen before
Roc Marciano is the grand master of drumless beats
wanksta slow jams
U know there were drum less records before Roc Marciano
@@ProdbyGrimeyred Yes. I first noticed them in the mid nineties from the RZA. But I’m sure someone did them before the Abbott
@@TwinParksBX before the Abbott will be tuff to find. Maybe Q-Tip
@@ProdbyGrimeyred That's not the point, Marc brought it to the forefront for this generation
The people who say it's not hip-hop on the comments are mostly into drill and trap anyways and they already are void of anything that has to do with music period.
WRONG. f*** trap, f*** drill and f*** drumless non hip hop
Great content ! Thank you ! As a MC myself, I sometimes prefer drumless beats, as you can "attack" the beat in many different ways, because you're not a slave to the kick and the snare, if you know what I mean. I feel more freedom to pause whenever I want, and have a less orthodox flow. You can of course do it with drums, but sometimes it doesn't sound or feel natural. So to me, as long as it keeps the culture going, and keeps artists creating, I'm all for it. I don't think beats with drums are going anywhere, so to me it's only beneficial to the genre.
Its cool for a track or two but its not the same without drums
Exactly
Facts, hearing a whole album like that, na I can’t do it.
Very true drums are a major in hiphop
He just gave older examples where it’s been a part of hip hop. Drumless is still hip hop
This is the point. It's cool for a minute, but A hour of no drums. Nggaz just might as well cop a "Love Jones" album wit the stand up bass God damn.
As a producer its hard to get past knowing that its literally just a loop with minimum effort. But as a listener? Shit kinda slaps though.
you got big MIKE in there. wonderful ! absolutely love drumless hip-hop. feels like the organic evolution of the genre
Peace to Wu Tang and The Dungeon Fam.
Gotta throw Muggs in here. Lockdown interlude on cypress hills black sunday album predates what Rza did.
I think it’s really important to remember that other types of music (rock, country, jazz etc) also have their own variations in style. To try to gatekeep hip hop from trying to evolve does a disservice to the entire meaning of music imo
As a old head I love it ! It pushes the genre in a new and exciting way !
If people call drumless beats "lazy" lets not act like beats with drums are not just as lazy. I like drumless beats because I find Trap beats which rely heavily on drums and 808's to be oversaturated to the point every pattern sounds copy and pasted to my ears.
i love this video. drumless hip-hop is here to stay, get with it or get out.
You are obviously young saying this
@@ProdbyGrimeyred yuh
I personally LOVE Drumless beats, BUT i also love Drums coz im a drummer myself. I say, Too much is always too much, keep it in good taste and limits and it will be dope. :)
Back in like 2015, when I first heard NxWorries (Knxledge & Anderson .Paak) I was sooooo conflicted in my heart. On the one hand, it was such a refreshing new sound AND it was a new Stones Throw release, but on the other hand...... "this nigga really just looped the entire Jus' Us song?!"
But it WORKED so well, because of the overall vibe (instrumental and vocal performance combined). And I also knew that Knx probably had to dig into some DEEP crates for some of those samples.
I had to keep telling myself back then, there was some serious work put into this. A sample can only work if you MAKE it work, regardless of how nice the loop is. As stated in your video, its all about the SPIRIT and community.
What used to make the breakers break, is the same thing that drives the youth today.
It's not new my guy
@@Allious131slow down while reading... you misread/misunderstood my comment. It was new in 2015, not today in 2024. My guy
@@dollarrecstapes Ohh ok ok my bad friend didn't catch what you meant family😁
@@Allious131 The concept wasn't new in 2015 either no need to apologize
Drumless hiphop isn't even really a thing. It becomes a thing when it's not done right. Correct drumless hiphop will rock with such atmospheric force and momentum that it won't even be noticeable as having no drums. The listeners heads will be rocking to the wordsmiths cadence, mind-blowing lyrics and the music's hypnotising momentum. If those elements are missing it's easily noticeable as being drumless instead of an afterthought. In short, not every artist and producer can rock it right. Oh and its definitely real hiphop.
drumless beat are like its own genre. for me i appreciate how a kick, bassline and the chord weave in n out of each other. its like a holy trinity
In spite of it being a fairly recent phenomenon (sidenote: pete rock and preemo have been putting Ill ass drumless loops in between songs forever, and actually almost ALL of epmd's early work consisted only chopped loops, due to lack of owning a sampler, and only having access to records, a studio, and an 8trk reel to reel) For "True crate diggers", we have ALL found samples at some point, where one is like "it dont need nothin"...but maybe a few edits and loop points, some eq'ng...i get more annoyed with fully produced songs, WITH drums, with super over used, easy to find samples, than a dope drumless sample. It also allows for more cadence and tempo changes on the part of the emcee, as well as changes in inflection as one rides the instruments in the SAMPLE, rather than a more rigid 4/4 drum pattern. My two cents as both producer and MC
I believe the widespread of drumless hiphop lately is a lazy form of "beat making". Yet, the true sampling format has earned all of my respect. It's so fascinating to watch. Some of these "producers" are just finding an old record and letting it loop. Not a friendly.
Hip hop to me comes from the hip hop feel of the back and forth between the lick and the snare. I rarely find myself bopping my head to a drum less hip hop song
Then again i view the voice as an instrument so what the artists saying will always come last in my priorities on a track. Beat first, flow and sound of the rap, then what they’re saying
If it makes you listen, and moves you, it's hip hop, period.
"the Dumb are only intrigued by the Drumb" -GZA
one of my Favorite Rhymes.
You need to talk about abstract and experimental rap producers,like ohbliv, knxwledge and others.
CREATE YOUR OWN GREATNESS & LANE….BE INNOVATIVE AND DO YO’OWN THANG THANG…RZA, ALCHEMIST, ROC, EARL AND OTHERS….WE LOVE YOUR CREATIVITY
I think this style is a very selective taste. Not everyone will like it, but I enjoy it
Nujabes - Mystline has no drums, one of the realest hiphop tracks ever !!
“Ghetto” -The MADD Rapper feat Raekwon prod by Kanye west (1999)
That song has kicks tho
Best example of drumless hip hop: Ruby '81 by Aesop Rock
For record. No pun. #HipHop classics didn't always depend on drums. It was the melodies and rhythm. Rakim told you that back in '86/'90 Also Doug E. Fresh did #LodiDadi in '85 that spark a wave. Plus not every break beat required drums or percussions. #HipHop been heavy on baselines as well. Thanks to #Funk with Parliament. Bottomline , if you can catch the rhythm and add soul and r&b to it with lyrics. You got #HipHop KRS One even did a track on his '93 album. No drums. Called #UhOh google it.
Cormega ft Mobb Deep - Killaz Theme, produced by Havoc in 2001
yeah them comments hating
Almost forgot Rza was first to do it.. I credit my love for drumless production back to that Albert Einstein album from Prodigy and Alchemist
Drumless isnt even new RZA did it back in the day all the time. Hell I made drumless beats in the late 00s. It's dope when done well
What’s crazy is id argue making drumless beats are harder then trap beats
Man, i mean, if it works, it works. I've been making beats for 30 years or so, made some songs with some legends in the NY Hip Hop community (the album from Outkast Atliens even contains a sample of my father's tunes) but it's all about the vibe. I personally prefer to add drums, but i'm still looking for samples without drums. But if a 2 bar loop hits me and it carries drums? fuck it, imma loop it.
I love it. I used to do it like 10yrs ago but stopped. Shoulda kept doing it.
Are you writing this with ChatGPT?
Dilla and Madlib have been doing this for quite some time. Especially, Madlib.
Most people who are against the sub genres of hip-hop aren’t actually enjoying the art form, they’re just posers and boomers imo
Your opinion will never make me stop giving my money for some drumless Roc Marciano, It's A Sound, and it has it own fan base, You Can bumb sexy redd and Drake, Leave us with Marci, Otis, Westside, Larry June and them, it Gold music💯
Muggs/ Call o the wild „New York undercover“ 1997
It’s been done enough to be considered a style now. It’s cool if it pushes the song. Overdoing it kills it.
its up to the listener taste really.i think it brings more fluidity and range to the "mc".
the only people creating the ‘problem’ with drumless hip hop are the ones more concerned with the label and not the music itself. who. gives. a. shit. there’s enough segregation in the world, music is supposed to be unifying us and not creating more division and endless subgenres. let’s spend more time appreciating the craft and not putting it into boxes
One of the greatest evolutions in hip hop.
All perspectives and preferences. Dont listen to it then. We love #essenceofthetreeep
It's crispy but you gotta rap hard as a baseline
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Drumless beats are piece of art imo 💎✨
Hold up...Please Listen To My Demo is NOT drumless. 😆
It has kicks and the rimshot definitely counts as the "snare" because it hits on the 2 and the 4. Come on now.
Can someone please tell me what album is that one between navy blue and WSG?
ensley by Pink Siifu
Ain’t no problem with it, it’s all preference. Marcberg has drums all over the album….”Paul Revere” was drumless and no one cared, “Heavy Mental” was drumless and nobody cared. This is a cool conversation but the end of the day, if the music is good it gets play and Hip Hop has always been about going against the grain. Enjoy.
Think it is very creative and it's thinking outside of the box
Drumless songs in Hip-Hop is unique AF! I don't mind it as long as it's good or great.. simple
Some ppl catch onto one facit of hip hop and make a genre out of it. One thing it can't be called is "beats and rhymes" or boom bap. It's an appreciation of sampled loops.
If your voice is wack and the drum ain’t hitting its garbage 🗑️
alchemist has always done this, same with other producers. they were often used as skits or little interludes.
even something like the realest by mobb deep still had some audio tricks done to it to not make it a basic loop.
kool g rap and dj muggs real life is another favorite.
some of the best parts of these classic albums were "drumless" beats.
Ghostface Killah - All That I Got Is You (1996)
This is a lot of fancy verbage trying to say that looping the best part of someone elses music with no percussive backdrop is somehow more creative than including the part that actually demonstrates your own talent! As the years go by what I've noticed is the least talented individuals are doing everything they can to legitimize zero effort while seeking to discredit tradition and actual musicianship. Sampling is an art form when done tastefully. Looping without drums and the inclusion of other sounds is tasteless theft by the untalented.
Drumless beats will always stay because it’s been around for a long time
Most drumless songs i give up on. Probably my fault but I'm turning 50 next year so i get a pass.
Has to be done right to pull it off imo
I agree 💯. Done to deatH now and days TBH. Don't hate it tho...
Nothing lazy about it. Just another form of Beat making. Me personally once you understand or advanced in this hip hop you would understand. And everything ain’t for everybody.
If you haven't tried actually making a good beat with just samples no drums, I don't think you can really say it's lazy. You don't know how to build and rearrange and restructure vocals and around certain elements in the instrumentation, then stfu and move on or stfu and enjoy the sounds.
Just rename it “Interludism” and be done with it. Who cares. If it’s good then great, otherwise press skip.
It's a skill it's been around for a min RZA probably started it the loop is everything but sometimes it's a crazy chop believe it or not.....
Nah I really like these style fresh air for me
Kitchen Lights from Westside gunn or Problematic from Kanye West is new examples for drumless styles
What’s funny about this is you mentioned Apollo brown; he has the hardest drums since dilla.
I'm not into that drumless stuff it's ok for the odd track but the drums bring so much to hip-hop even if it's just light drums on a sample it doesn't always have to have the classic boombap drums but it need some sort of percussion like j dillas don't cry it's not got a proper drum track over the sample it just uses the drums in the sample
Why is this a conversation?
Go ahead and listen to Roc Marciano catalogue, then come back and tell me drumless hip hop is lazy.
drumless hip hop is lazy and boring
This is the dopest hiphop imo
Drums, no drum, acapella whatever....who cares.... hip hop aint just rap music. Its culture, a mind state. You either hiphop or your not. Most these dudes now days have no clue what hiphop even is.
Dudes who think it's lazy can't chop samples. Because a lot of the shit dudes THINK is just loops....isn't. You didn't need to even make a (very brilliant) video like this. You coulda just put the link on whosampled, of Westside Gunn and Alchemist's Elizabeth. Dudes with they lil MPCs and SPs not finna just go make that the way Al did it. These are the main crunchy dudes who bitch about "Drum-less" shit.
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I feel it's lazy when it like rappers just use any random soul sample to rap over just to do it because it's trendy.
Don't even care if it actually sounds good and coherent
This is the type of dude into kayfabe. All rappers have to look, act and sound the exact same. Goofy af.
It’s fire point blank period 😂
Very dope thank you for your hard work
"drumless hip hop" is simply spoken word and rap, it's not hip hop. Drums are the irreplaceable foundation of hip hop.
It's music yo. It's music. 😞😖
Stop. Those who can, do. Those who can't, vulture.
These videos that pose these types of questions make no sense. Early origins of hip hop had nothing but drums and stabs for the most part. Rarely had melodies. It evolved. There are no rules. Dope is Dope.
DJ Muggs!
Drumless Hip-Hop = Looping Samples
I Understand Why Real Musicians / Composers Feel A Certain Way About This Sub Genre Of Hip-Hop. We Can Use Prince For Example.
Is This Hip-Hop Or Sampled Tough Guy Poetry? A Lot Of This Ish Is Missing The Music Part ..
I think them watered down drums from these drum kits are bad for #HipHop let's go back to Carlos Bess who made original drums for RZA or boost drums again like Paul C 👑🕊️🍾
Bingo
Wow… what a video !