I love the PR255 from Qor. It’s not called Vermillion, but Pyrrol Red Light though (which is the proper name for that pigment).Gorgeous “Vermillion Red” color. 😊
Sennelier's French Vermillion is one of my all time favorites. I can't explain what it is but I adore it so much. It's one of my go to's for a warm red. Surprised you didn't throw in Roman Szmal's Cad Vermillion which is just as gorgeous. It stains and it's super high tinting, but WOWZA.
Oh this is exciting! I love warm reds. Although my favourite warm red is not a Vermilion hue, it's Roman Szmal's Quinacridone Scarlet. :') Fun fact! According to Handprint, Schmincke's Permanent Red used to be made with PR251, the pigment used in Old Holland's Vermilion Extra, but was discontinued in 2002, and replaced with a mixture of PR242 and PO62. I discovered this after acquiring a pan of Old Holland Vermilion Extra on sale... to replace my 2-pigment Schmincke Permanent Red. 🥲 Basically, Permanent Red is warm in masstone, but leans too blue when diluted for me. I kept trying to compensate for that by adding more orange, decided I had enough, and went on a hunt for another warm red. I'm happy to report Vermilion Extra doesn't have that problem. :D
Thanks for this comparison! My faves are Sennelier French Vermilion and Holbein Vermilion Hue. A couple of months ago, I was in a local store, was curious and purchased a vermilion genuine full pan of another brand. Before using it, I read the mercury warnings and quickly returned it unopened, as I was afraid of mishandling it.
LOVED this! Thank you! I have the Daniel Smith and the Sennelier and I really love the Sennelier 🥰 I paint a lot of human eyes and I LOVE the Sennelier for this.
Vermilion has always been a favorite. Something about it just calls to me. It’s always a part of both sunrises and sunsets ;-) Manganese blue skies … I daydream lol. To me, however, I think “vermilion hues” are a totally different color than the genuine and should be given its own name. None of them are good representatives of the original, imo ;-). Everyone has their favorites, and this color is so important for its history in the world of art that it’s one of mine too. I’ve been building 😂😂😂 (aka collecting) a palette of single pigment, historic colors, including vermilion. They are all basically toxic and I keep them in their own palette and let my water dry out to collect whatever i can to recycle. Vermilion is just one of those colors difficult to duplicate. Thanks for this. Off to your pigment database to see more about it! 😊❤
I have not got a single instance of vermilion, which is a bit strange as I love it. Maybe it is because nearly every set I have came with a cad red and I haven’t wanted another fairly similar colour.however I would use vermillion if I had it, as It appears more natural looking than the cad colours that I am not keen on. I am amassing a good collection of Schmincke and liked your sample a lot, but like the Sennelier, and the CassArt versions too. I have a branch of the latter just down the road from me, so that does give me choices. In lots of ways I like to buy at a physical store, I do not want these places to disappear, and small items seem to accrue a lot of postage. I haven’t really explored the CassArt own brand watercolour at all yet, as I have a liking for Jackson’s. I am assuming the latter did not have anything that would fit the description, and this is where the own brands fall short because they have very limited ranges. Your videos are always welcome, they are so thorough and really packed with information. Thank you.
The only Sennelier paint I have is French vermilion, and not just doesn’t set, it never hardens even a bit, never changes if extruded from a tube on the palette. I don’t mind sticky paints, but not liquid paints. If you work directly from tubes, fine, but not for me. But in a dry climate it would be a blast.
I love the research into the pigments, this is the first time I've heard of cinnabar! I'm also shocked that vermillion is supposed to be this red! The vermillion I've always seen is orangey❤
@@awatercolourist Hi! Yeah, life has been kicking my butt as of late, but I'm okay. Haven't had any capacity over for TH-cam though. You're so sweet to write me! Thank you for that! 🥰 How are you doing?
@@hannahthufvesson All great thanks! Sorry to hear about your situation, I was in a similar situation not too long ago. Hope everything becomes easier soon 😃
I have and use Vermilion from Daler-Rowney and I never ever experienced bubbles with it. The paint is creamy and the colour is rich and gorgeous. I don't know what happend to your sample.
I am weird in that I will only buy single pigment color paints. So right away that rules out Holbein, Mission Gold, & Rembrandt. I would not go with Daniel Smith because PR188 has only medium light fastness rating. Also, PR264 has light fastness issues, so the Sennelier is a no go for me. The bubbles in the Daler Rowney is definitely a no for me also. I agree that Blocks is too orange for Vermilion and too pricey for me. Old Holland is expensive for where I live. I also can't get Ken Bromley and Cass Arts. That leaves Schmincke. However, I already have a PR 255 from Roman Szmal. They don't call it Vermilion however. They call it Pyrrole Scarlet. I think I will just be happy with my Roman Szmal PR255 even though it's not labeled Vermilion. 😊
The only vermillion I have is part of an ancient (1990s) set of Reeves. Its actually a pretty good representative of this colour. To be truly transparent, though, I haven't really seen a red a didn't like even though I have clear favourites.
I say I like the Vermilion hue is better than the genuine one. Even Holbein's Cadmium-based Vermilion looks gorgeous too when mixing bright flaming oranges with a golden yellow.
The first one is the most beautiful and most pleasing. It's the only one that looks real, natural, etc. It reminds me very much of the earth, humanity and divinity for some reason. Maybe because, to me, it looks like the color the real artists of antiquity used. Like the renaissance, baroque, academic painters used. That red that just pulls you into the painting. That red viewed by candlelight and oil lamps. The rest looks fake, abstract, cheap and easy too bright. I can't see how any of the other reds could be useful in real academic art. Maybe more for abstract modern stuff. Stuff I wouldn't even call art. With that being said watch those be the real while the first will probably end up being the modern color. Edit: yes, I was hoping it would be the first one. I can imagine in it's real oil form in concentrate I bet it is beautiful. Well, maybe I just feel that way because of the mere exposure effect. Since the old masters actually practiced scientific study to determine what beauty was and how to capture beauty and then implemented those studies into their art, then almost every art peice was done biblical depiction is no wonder why I feel like I'm looking at a more divine, earthly, natural, real color. It's no wonder why it captured me immediately while the others looked so fake. Question, do you change your patreons for the dot cards of the paint they already bought?
I thought Cass Art watercolour paints were made by Daeler Rowney. I haven’t seen any evidence or heard that said on TH-cam, but Cass Art has/had a watercolour metal palette set that I’ve only seen produced by Daler Rowney. It could be, of course, that Cass Art sources their palettes from the same manufacturer as Daler Rowney. Just to be clear, I am only sharing my thoughts, not spreading rumours or stating facts :)
Your hard work is very much appreciated. Your channel is extremely educational. I’m surprised you do not have a million subscribers 😊
I love the PR255 from Qor. It’s not called Vermillion, but Pyrrol Red Light though (which is the proper name for that pigment).Gorgeous “Vermillion Red” color. 😊
Sennelier's French Vermillion is one of my all time favorites. I can't explain what it is but I adore it so much. It's one of my go to's for a warm red. Surprised you didn't throw in Roman Szmal's Cad Vermillion which is just as gorgeous. It stains and it's super high tinting, but WOWZA.
Does it dry well? Can I put it in my palette without problems of running over the other paints?
Oh this is exciting! I love warm reds. Although my favourite warm red is not a Vermilion hue, it's Roman Szmal's Quinacridone Scarlet. :')
Fun fact! According to Handprint, Schmincke's Permanent Red used to be made with PR251, the pigment used in Old Holland's Vermilion Extra, but was discontinued in 2002, and replaced with a mixture of PR242 and PO62. I discovered this after acquiring a pan of Old Holland Vermilion Extra on sale... to replace my 2-pigment Schmincke Permanent Red. 🥲
Basically, Permanent Red is warm in masstone, but leans too blue when diluted for me. I kept trying to compensate for that by adding more orange, decided I had enough, and went on a hunt for another warm red. I'm happy to report Vermilion Extra doesn't have that problem. :D
Thanks for this comparison! My faves are Sennelier French Vermilion and Holbein Vermilion Hue. A couple of months ago, I was in a local store, was curious and purchased a vermilion genuine full pan of another brand. Before using it, I read the mercury warnings and quickly returned it unopened, as I was afraid of mishandling it.
I love love love Vermillion. I love love love Daniel Smith organic Vermillion
LOVED this! Thank you! I have the Daniel Smith and the Sennelier and I really love the Sennelier 🥰 I paint a lot of human eyes and I LOVE the Sennelier for this.
Vermilion has always been a favorite. Something about it just calls to me. It’s always a part of both sunrises and sunsets ;-) Manganese blue skies … I daydream lol. To me, however, I think “vermilion hues” are a totally different color than the genuine and should be given its own name. None of them are good representatives of the original, imo ;-). Everyone has their favorites, and this color is so important for its history in the world of art that it’s one of mine too. I’ve been building 😂😂😂 (aka collecting) a palette of single pigment, historic colors, including vermilion. They are all basically toxic and I keep them in their own palette and let my water dry out to collect whatever i can to recycle. Vermilion is just one of those colors difficult to duplicate.
Thanks for this. Off to your pigment database to see more about it! 😊❤
I have not got a single instance of vermilion, which is a bit strange as I love it. Maybe it is because nearly every set I have came with a cad red and I haven’t wanted another fairly similar colour.however I would use vermillion if I had it, as It appears more natural looking than the cad colours that I am not keen on.
I am amassing a good collection of Schmincke and liked your sample a lot, but like the Sennelier, and the CassArt versions too. I have a branch of the latter just down the road from me, so that does give me choices. In lots of ways I like to buy at a physical store, I do not want these places to disappear, and small items seem to accrue a lot of postage. I haven’t really explored the CassArt own brand watercolour at all yet, as I have a liking for Jackson’s. I am assuming the latter did not have anything that would fit the description, and this is where the own brands fall short because they have very limited ranges.
Your videos are always welcome, they are so thorough and really packed with information. Thank you.
The only Sennelier paint I have is French vermilion, and not just doesn’t set, it never hardens even a bit, never changes if extruded from a tube on the palette. I don’t mind sticky paints, but not liquid paints. If you work directly from tubes, fine, but not for me. But in a dry climate it would be a blast.
I love the research into the pigments, this is the first time I've heard of cinnabar! I'm also shocked that vermillion is supposed to be this red! The vermillion I've always seen is orangey❤
I always go to your chanel for color references, i orod replayed your vids 100s of time s 😂 thank you for the hard work
I actually prefer Chinese Vermillion, it’s pink-based and i absolutely LOVE the version made by PoemsAboutYou
I really love the Holbein Vermilion Hue! ☺️
Hi Hannah 👋🏼 I haven’t seen you around TH-cam for a long time! I hope you’re well 😊
@@awatercolourist Hi! Yeah, life has been kicking my butt as of late, but I'm okay. Haven't had any capacity over for TH-cam though. You're so sweet to write me! Thank you for that! 🥰 How are you doing?
@@hannahthufvesson All great thanks! Sorry to hear about your situation, I was in a similar situation not too long ago. Hope everything becomes easier soon 😃
@@awatercolourist I'm so glad to hear you are well! And thank you! I really appreciate it! 🥰
@@hannahthufvesson 🙂👋🏼
Vermillion is my favorite colour, I use Holbein (Vermillion Hue) ❤
I think I used the van Gogh Vermillion. I can’t remember the pigment(s) used, though.
I have and use Vermilion from Daler-Rowney and I never ever experienced bubbles with it. The paint is creamy and the colour is rich and gorgeous. I don't know what happend to your sample.
I am weird in that I will only buy single pigment color paints. So right away that rules out Holbein, Mission Gold, & Rembrandt. I would not go with Daniel Smith because PR188 has only medium light fastness rating. Also, PR264 has light fastness issues, so the Sennelier is a no go for me. The bubbles in the Daler Rowney is definitely a no for me also. I agree that Blocks is too orange for Vermilion and too pricey for me. Old Holland is expensive for where I live. I also can't get Ken Bromley and Cass Arts.
That leaves Schmincke. However, I already have a PR 255 from Roman Szmal. They don't call it Vermilion however. They call it Pyrrole Scarlet. I think I will just be happy with my Roman Szmal PR255 even though it's not labeled Vermilion. 😊
The only vermillion I have is part of an ancient (1990s) set of Reeves. Its actually a pretty good representative of this colour. To be truly transparent, though, I haven't really seen a red a didn't like even though I have clear favourites.
I say I like the Vermilion hue is better than the genuine one. Even Holbein's Cadmium-based Vermilion looks gorgeous too when mixing bright flaming oranges with a golden yellow.
The first one is the most beautiful and most pleasing. It's the only one that looks real, natural, etc. It reminds me very much of the earth, humanity and divinity for some reason. Maybe because, to me, it looks like the color the real artists of antiquity used. Like the renaissance, baroque, academic painters used. That red that just pulls you into the painting. That red viewed by candlelight and oil lamps. The rest looks fake, abstract, cheap and easy too bright. I can't see how any of the other reds could be useful in real academic art. Maybe more for abstract modern stuff. Stuff I wouldn't even call art.
With that being said watch those be the real while the first will probably end up being the modern color.
Edit: yes, I was hoping it would be the first one. I can imagine in it's real oil form in concentrate I bet it is beautiful.
Well, maybe I just feel that way because of the mere exposure effect. Since the old masters actually practiced scientific study to determine what beauty was and how to capture beauty and then implemented those studies into their art, then almost every art peice was done biblical depiction is no wonder why I feel like I'm looking at a more divine, earthly, natural, real color. It's no wonder why it captured me immediately while the others looked so fake.
Question, do you change your patreons for the dot cards of the paint they already bought?
I thought Cass Art watercolour paints were made by Daeler Rowney. I haven’t seen any evidence or heard that said on TH-cam, but Cass Art has/had a watercolour metal palette set that I’ve only seen produced by Daler Rowney. It could be, of course, that Cass Art sources their palettes from the same manufacturer as Daler Rowney. Just to be clear, I am only sharing my thoughts, not spreading rumours or stating facts :)
Person watching someone paint with genuine Vermillion- What color is that?
Artist- Poison.
Since my comments are being censored I will find another place to share my knowledge.
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