Working on my Recurve Bow Shooting
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ย. 2019
- For me, maintaining a high level of accuracy and consistency with my recurve or longbow requires constant work. In this recurve shooting tips video I'm working on my traditional archery shot cycle and giving my thoughts on everything from how to aim a recurve to proper archery form, back tension, common mistakes, etc. One of the things I talk about is why you often see me shooting with a limb mounted clicker.
When I'm working on my shot I shoot one arrow at a time. This forces me to analyze each shot. If I don't execute a shot perfectly it gives me time to reflect on what went wrong instead of just shooting another arrow. Those poorly executed shots give us an opportunity to learn, but only if we pay attention to them.
Every step in my shot cycle has a place there because it works well for me in the type of bow hunting situations I find myself in most often. That's hunting public land from the ground, on rough country and in very close proximity to spooky game like deer and elk. My archery form, posture, etc. may be different than what an Olympic style shooting coach would teach. Again, this is what I've settled on for my style of bowhunting.
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I appreciate how calmly you analyze a miss, recover, and get on with your life. :) Also, I just want to get my $.02 in that, while consistency might be the best way to grow your subscriber base, I really like the variety of hunting vids, how-to's, and random outdoor skills.
thanks, I'll still be incorporating those things. I'll just be doing it in the form of a hunting vid with tips and how to stuff included.
As soon as you shot that one shot I seen your elbow jumped forward and thought to myself where he didn’t have proper back tension on that shot, and then you turn around and said exactly what I was thinking! That was confirmation for me that I do know and can analyze my shot process on what’s right and wrong now. Thanks clay.
-Jacob McReynolds
Perfect!
Using a clicker has shown a spotlight on the inconsistency of my posture and back tension. It has been a wonderful taskmaster! Who gave this vid a thumbs down?! Love Clay's insights...
I shot my Selfbow during lunch yesterday. At first my shooting was awful. I started really focusing on the basics you discuss, especially the back tension. My shooting improved a LOT! My arrow flight was better, and my bow seemed quieter even. It works!
makes all the difference!
To know and see that someone like yourself Clay is not perfect helps me set realistic expectations. And the the priority of good form and such above getting in the right spot on the target is helping me focus on the right thing.
shooting long range is bad ass in my opinion . I just started shooting and everything I've learned from your has really helped I didn't even know about the anchor point let alone wear my arms and fingers should go. thank you for real when people ask me why I learned just know I'm going to be giving you a shout out every time you rock thank you
Happy to help Stevie
I've been following your channel for several years, always good content. Doing video in a series is a very good idea. I've learned many things from your channel. Please keep up the excellent work.
I'll throw in another vote of appreciation for the channel as it is. I enjoy the mix with the instruction, tips, how to videos and then a few weeks following you on one of your hunts. Thanks for what you do to promote traditional archery.
Thanks Much!
LOVE the tutorial video: there can NEVER be enough "How I Practice" videos, because EVERY single archer can find themselves sharing what might be a simple, tiny "insight" to them, but may be JUST "the thing" another archer has been seeking to help perfect their own shooting.
For those of you who are open to exploring additional tips & techniques to possibly incorporate into your own shooting methods & styles, I humbly offer this:
COMBINE:
String Walking with FINGER WIDTHS (whole, half, quarter, eighth)
for PRECISE ARROW ELEVATION SETTING from the REAR of the bow
AND Anchoring UNDER the chin
for DRAMATICALLY increased ARROW RANGE even out to 120 yds
AND sighting down the left string edge as a "rear sight"
for COMPOUND-like ACCURACY
AND using the ARROW TIP as a "front pin"
again for COMPOUND-like ACCURACY
... and TOGETHER you have a FORMIDABLE SHOOTING METHOD which eliminates the weaknesses in many popular barebow shooting methods, but which even newbies and experienced archers can learn in 5 minutes...
Here's a video of me using this method to shoot an ordinary hunting recurve bow and common $6 hunting arrows at 100 YDS, and hitting 5 of 6 ON-TARGET even in a cross wind !
IMAGINE how accurate YOU can instantly become at distances from 10m to 50m to 70m and everything in between!
th-cam.com/video/Cn0gxNeTITQ/w-d-xo.html
Again, changes aren't for everyone, but for archers looking to improve their long-distance range and accuracy, this method might be something you'll find interesting.
KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS !
thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience, have a great thanksgiving weekend. Blessing to you and your family
Yes looking forward to more videos. Hunting, shooting techniques and material like bow strings the difference or tab release or even arrow flight and string nock placement
I think that traditional archery and hunting public lands are both growing right now for similar reasons. 1) The added challenge is rewarding. 2) Great information online like your channel, Jimmy Blackmon, the Push, THP, hunting beast and others. 3) More accessibility to gear that helps (good cheap traditional bows, saddle hunting and better public land gear). This a great time to learn new hunting methods and styles. It's easy to forget how blessed we are to have great help at our finger tips.
True, there's a ton of great info out there these days.
Clay, I love the looks of a recurve. There's just something about them that's very appealing. But they're very sensitive to shoot. The great Howard Hill was asked why he didn't shoot the recurve and his response was he couldn't shoot that well. I shoot the longbow primarily. You can make mistakes and get away with it more often than the recurve. Especially if the longbow is straight limbed or slight string follow.
I'm a huge Hill fan too, but recently switched to hunting with a recurve. With consistent form, I find the recurve preferable in hunting situations due to its shorter limbs. Howard is still my archery hero though, and I love making and shooting longbows.
You brought up some really good points. Love your videos, love your bow, it appears there is no need for silencers on your string. Very inspiring and educational work, thank you.
Thanks Chris
Thank you so much for this. Helped me immensely
Great!
I just got goose bumps watching this video, you mentioned a chance to hunt hogs or deer camp with you and the guys and got me all fired up. I know my chances are 1 in a Million but I have hope. I would K*** for the chance just to shadow you on a hunt, to see and learn from you I feel would advance my abilities at filling my freezer.
Great video as always.
I'll announce something soon.
Hello Clay. I am from the future. Your hard work and obsession will pay off soon. Happy hunting. 😉 🦌
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Quality content👍🏼
Yeah Clay! There are many benefits to shooting one arrow at a time. In particular for western big game. #1 is just pure walking a ton. When I am getting ready to go Elk Hunting, I am going to shoot around 100 arrows a day. Maybe not everyday but, certainly on days off. So, if you figure my average shot distance is 23 yards.....that is 46 yards walked times 100. That added to my daily work outs and cardio is a good boost.
#2 It just makes you a better shot, stops you from range finding with the first arrow.
This time of year my mind always starts thinking mountains and elk.
Unfortunately, my Unit went to a draw and I did not draw a tag. Still, I am working out and about to start ramping up my shooting. Maybe I can find an over-the-counter unit. If not, I will go to Northern New Mexico and hunt squirrels and grouse for 2 weeks. Being Minute Of Grouse is easy....Minute Of Squirrel is a tuffer shot but, those yankees don't eat squirrel so, it is easy to get what us Texicans call skillet shots😂👍
The Hunting Public highly recommend.
Another great video... keep on doing what you do. Love em. I live in Nova Scotia, Canada and have never hunted in the US, so I'd JUMP at the chance to win one of those hunts :) :) :)
I'll announce something soon.
I use the fixed crawl and 3 under technique .....and shoot from 45' , 60' , 100', distances at my 3-D deer and coyote targets ....which by the way almost did not survive the elk beating the crap out of them (targets) .....horns , heads ripped off , stab wounds etc (LOL)! thanks for the video as always ..... have a good winter !
Dang, a bear ripped up a few of mine this year!
Could you do a quick video on shooting st elevation up and down hill. Dont get any practice at it on the range and always stuff it up on the 3d shoots. Thanks, excellent content as always
Clay I have been watching you for some time now and I know that you make nothing but ethical shots.common Sense would tell most people who have been doing this for a while that nobody is crazy enough to take very long shots on a live animal with traditional gear. I enjoy your videos and they give off a lot of good information but you know you are always going to have that select few that will disagree with anybody that doesn't do things exactly the way that they think should happen. A lot of people have forgotten that if you are not having fun with what you are doing then you are definitely not doing it right.I take longer shots myself in my backyard just to see how well I can do at longer yardages but when it comes to a ethical shot I know my limits. Great job on all of your videos and I will continue watching as long as you make them. Happy Thanksgiving to your family and may God richly bless you all in everything that you do.
Thanks Bob, and happy holidays to you.
I'm at exactly where you speak of with paying attention to expanding back muscles. Every time it feels perfect, the arrow flies perfect.
Sometimes, like you say, I can do a bad shot and it still hit's where I'm looking. I wasn't happy with that because I knew the shot form wasn't a repeatable form.
There was a neurological study done with a group of Olympic divers on eliciting the strategy of an Olympian. All but one Olympic diver said: what makes an Olympic diver an Olympian is; when we hit the sweet spot on the board, we know we're going to do a perfect dive.
The one Olympic diver that disagreed said: what makes an Olympic diver an Olympian is when we miss the sweet spot and still do a perfect dive!
So... I'm wondering if/how that may well be thinking worth adopting. I'm also wondering [if] that's what's happening when I miss the sweet spot on form and still hit where I'm looking!(????) Maybe I could change my mental perception on that.(???)
Awesome video, brother!! Finding the problem to change the problem is often half my problem lol
I saw one of your videos that gave a very good explanation of why arrow go right (strong) and left (weak). It started with having a 5/8 inch nock hejght. That video brought a lot together. Now I have a question on bow poundage regarding those two different movements- What effect would a weaker or stronger bow have on those two flight patterns?
Thanks for the tips and time. Personally frustrated with anchor points. Keep trying different spots and nothing feels consistent. Would like to see you talk about this. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thumb knuckle to corner of jaw bone.
My question is I'm shooting a compound barebow with a capture rest when I put my bow on target and draw my sight picturechanges I'm not able to look down the shaft or the tip would my anchor be wrong btw found your videos extremely helpful I know two different styles compound vs trad I love you you easily explain the process and how to trouble shoot any mistakes thank you
BINGO exactly what you said Clay! I shoot this Bow better after taking weight off retillering. The biggest problem IMHO is Folks making the switch to Traditional Archery over bowing themselves. Shooting too close to what their Compound weight was and not being able to practice effectively with that weight. always said a great hunting weight Traditional Bow is one that you can shoot consistently threw 2 rounds of 3-D targets and have no problem shooting third round. Even a few pounds can make a difference.
True
That final back tension is also what gives proper follow through isn't it?
You mentioned slightly earlier this year that you were trying out an even higher anchor point near your eye. How’s that going for you? Looks good! Thanks for the videos as always and happy thanksgiving.
It’s working well.
Left field question Cliff: Can the 5 grain per pound draw weight rule apply to Recurve bows?
Between you and Ken Beck a lot of misconceptions are cleared up.
Thanks
Enjoying your videos Mr.Hayes. Can I use the changing aspect of "point-on" to use an objective measure of my progress. Getting back to it after being off for a year.
Watching you in the Bahamas.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to.
@@clayhayeshunter I am trying to find a way to phrase the question better. As Point-on distance increases, is the size of the groupings at different distances a realiable way to measure progress?
I too discovered how shooting at 70 yards made me correct all my mistakes. I ended up not wanting to shoot target at closer ranges because it was not a challenge and so not as fun.
With a compound?
@@moonman8055 Yes, a compound. I have recently started enjoying longbows and recurves. Not very good with them, but having fun and hoping to learn as I go.
Do you have any recommendations on using back tension? I struggle with this I never feel the back tension...more or less my drawing shoulder seems like its doing the work. The only thing that I have done to feel more back tension is when I draw by bow, instead of pulling straight back, I will actually draw out and away from my body then sink it into my anchor point rather than drawing back to my anchor....any thoughts on that?
I have another video that deals specifically with back tension.
I agree i practise at 50 and 40 yrds which make shooting under 40 yrds make it so easier . My focus is subject matter of point of the target not mindful of animals or deers etc. Its just the point of the target . Practise! MAKES PERFECT! Thats are focus here at Jungleghost Survival.
Do you cover stump shooting in any of your videos? Personally, I find roving with Judo Points and shooting at various objects like weed clumps and pine cones at unknown yardages to be excellent practice. While I'd never take a really long shot at game, it is fun to launch those "Hail Marys" without fearing I'll lose arrows under the turf.
I do the same!
Clay i've noticed you don't use an arm guard. Also i've read in the Traditional Bowyer Bibles that a low brace height can have some benefits but it also increases wrist slap. How is it that you don't get any wrist slap?
My brace is usually around 6.5”. Watch the recent video on bow hand position to see how I manage it.
The people that get worked up from a video are dumb and probably did not shoot a bow and arrow in their life dont mind them keep posting videos on what you love doing :D
Thanks
I just took an intro to target shooting with recurve. Bought a recurve and trying to get some more info in before an intro series of lessons. Could you explain the differences in your form vs what they may teach at archery classes? I notice you're bow is slanted and you bend forward at the hips and almost wrap around the bow? Thank you so much for the education.
My style is better suited to hunting vs the very upright Olympic style.
Clay are you instinctive shooting at a certain distance? Or do you gap all your shots?
I shoot with a split vision style which is kind of between gap and instinctive.
Theres many Bow hunters that get Good solid kills at 40 yards or 45 yards .. of course most Clean kills are generally 45 or less yards.. but depending on the Limbs u can get Good clean kill shots past 45 yards it's just not an easy shot nor is it recommended but it's very realistically possible.
theres recorded shots past 45 yards with bow hunting for sure.
But it's not the norm for bow hunting...
Sweet spot seems to be 15-40 yards for Bow hunting..45 -55 pound limbs..
Any advice on how to deal with persistent finger pain? I shoot 3 under and hook in near the first joint. My ring finger has developed a sharp pain that has been persisting for weeks now, sadly i've had to take a break from shooting :(
Pick up a thicker tab. Or glove if that’s what you’re using.
So you are using the tip of the Broadhead to Aim with?
Correct
A friend once told me. If im accurate at 60 I'll be deadly at 30. Thank you
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Clay, I shoot instictively, no aiming,am I correct in thinking that you gap aim, would gap shooting improve my accuracy, for me its split finger, would three under help?
Shooting three under allows you to get a higher anchor point on your face, getting the shaft closer to your eye. Give it a try, some prefer it. I shoot shorter bows three under to avoid arrow pinch. Gap shooting is only helpful if you can accurately guage distances, if your distance is out your gap will be out. Instinctive is basically already just unconscious gap shooting and muscle memory.
I shoot with kindof a split vision method. It’s like a combination of gap and instinctive.
I follow THP, Born and Raised Outdoors, HUSH, Catman Outdoors and yourself. You should do a video with Greg from THP. He also shoots recurve. If you want to self film your hunts That would be great. A lot more work for you. Catman Outdoors does a good job of self filming. I enjoy the honesty of not seeing or shooting something every time out. Just like real life. I no longer watch any TV hunting. All of it is a commercial for some company that demands kill shots using their gear. The new age of hunting videos is here on the internet.
I agree Brian, the online content it getting better and better!
That talk about getting lazy and releasing as soon as the sight picture looks good has become my biggest problem since I switched from a compound full time. I had to bail on a early season out of state hunt because of my shot process being so awful because of that problem. I managed to get it rounded up for my regular state hunting but I'm still not satisfied with it all the time.
A clicker can work wonders if you’re still having trouble.
@@clayhayeshunter I may have to give it a try
I also find that only shooting one arrow at a time like your doing here help as well. T shoot a compound that I put together from 5 different bows. But I still shoot three under instinctively. I do kill deer, hogs, and bear out to 40 yards if I have a clear shot. The arrow weight is 625grns with an Al footed carbon shaft. As far as the arm hard just twist the sleeve
The bow has a 75# @ 29"
hi, i am from Germany, my name is Lou, i would like to know:
if to by a short Bow (50 inches or is it better to have a longer Bow 60 or 62 inches?
thank you in advance.
Lou
Personally I shoot the longer bows better. I prefer a bow of about 62-64 inches.
@@clayhayeshunter Does a 62" bow at 55# (@28") seem lighter to draw than a shorter 50" bow at the same weight and draw length?
@@johncom1971 A bow feels it's weight. A shorter bow will stack quicker and give you string pinch at longer draw lengths.
Shorter bows are fractionally quicker for the weight but less forgiving/stable. It's a trade-off, if you have 28"+ draw I wouldn't go for anything under 60" unless you use thumb release.
How can I aim like you? I think you close one eye. I've always shot instinctively but I see that my consistency is bad.
The key to this whole video is he’s shooting one arrow @ time with total control & concentration on each shot. There’s so many horrible recurve shooters because they have no Shot Sequence, Back Tension, & Control. They insist on just flinging arrows & all their doing is ingraining horrible habits!
my drawlength is 27 inch and i would like a 40 to 45pound bow.
so i will take a 60 inch bow now
One arrow....one arrow....one arrow....
I can’t take my time when I shoot , the guys at the club always say take your time . Am I an instinctive shooter ?
Jrb2019 you just aren’t focused just walk up to your target to about 5 yards and just practice on holding and taking your time with your shot
Clay,
Good video!
Btw - The jacket you are wearing is extremely noisy. I hope you don’t hunt with it! Good luck hunting to all and please be safe!
I'm one of those who doesn't use a clicker. I don't like them at all, I come to full draw and hit my anchor in the corner of my mouth and shoot.
Get someone to check you, or use a mirror. It's easy to get your hand to your anchor but not come to a full draw. I found I was collapsing my arm and shoulder a bit and losing a couple of inches on my draw, even though I was making my anchor.
Dooley Fussle yep
I'm new, but how did you reduce the weight on that bow?
Removing wood from the belly.
Archery
i have the option of an 50/52 inch Recurve Bow or an 60/62inch Bow
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine th-cam.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
As far as channel growth. You've got some really great content, you just need to get eyes on the videos for the first time. I think folks will subscribe if they get a chance to see you. I think I said it in another video, but I think collaboration videos and series are a great way to introduce yourself to large numbers of people at once.
You could start resorting to click bait BS also. Just start picking sensationalistic headlines and have some odd capture of your face in the thumbnail like you were halfway through saying something outrageous.........wait, just kidding. Please don't do that!
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This video hurt my feelings, lol
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He seems to have a gift in explaining what should be obvious; but it is like he drops a grenade and leaves the room; like opening a can of worms, but he gives the guidelines to deal with the "revelation".
Never worry about long shots, learn to stalk your animals and get super close shots. That's the key to success and humane kills .Your freezer will stay full.
Too much truth in one video 😂
I once went for a hunt for deer with my compound.
I had to shoot 4 arrows to bring it down, after a chase for at least 3 miles...
When we got to it, it was like it was crying, blood everwhere, and I had to finish it of with my knife.
It was really hartbreaking, it is almost 6 years ago, and I still can’t forget about it.
There is Nothing romantic about bow hunting. really. Its a bloody mess.🐥
I’m sorry that that was your experience bowhunting. That is heartbreaking. An accurate shot with a razor sharp broadhead usually kills within a matter of seconds. That is what all bowhunters ought to strive for. I hope you don’t give up the pursuit of your own meat, it is one of the most intrinsically rewarding experiences.
Hey clay love your videos want to mention me in your next video
Cali Is a troll
It happens 🤷♂️
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Go find a vid with lound techno music and a rambling over excited host then lol
Bus routes
What you are doing is a shame...
Some day you will understand....I hope.🐥
What are you talking about
Its a channel about hunting with a bow some times ive killed deer quicker with a bow than a gun depends on where ya hit them
A bow is not a proper tool to instandly kill an animal.
What if you were a deer, would you prefer a bullet, or an arrow...?
Stop doing this. Please.🐥
Based on your previous post,i would say that you chose to hunt with your compound,when you were not adequately educated or prepared for that hunt..In that case,i would concur with your opinion but if someone is educated and prepared,i would not..Dont judge others based on your personal short comings.. Plenty of animals are wounded and or lost to those carrying a rifle and the same short comings..
Stop bow hunting, use a rifle.
If you respect your prey, use your bow for sports.
There is no reason for animals to suffer. Get yourself a gun.
Stop doing this.🐥
Then we’ll get ridiculed for choosing an easy method in which animals aren’t getting a fair chance from someone like you it’s a lose lose for a hunter
How do you think an animal dies in the wild ,either starves from its teeth being ground down or via predation
You keep missing....
What if it was a real deer.....you hava a bad shot now and then....
Hunting is ok, but not this way. Stop it. Please!🐥
You Keep Missing????..I saw 1 shot that wasnt in the kill zone..Where do you aim for??..Based on your own admission,i would venture to say my assessment of your lack of education is correct,,if in fact,it even happened..I must say,the more you post,the more i doubt you even hunt with any weapon ....