Am glad how the small changes u make from time to time like adding music at the end or showing different format decks and now playing ranked never took away the chemistry of your vids. Wanna say that thx for being you and keep making choices and changing and growing if the need ever arises.
The tricky thing about this build is that it doesn't seem that there are enough instants to take advantage of Hullbreaker. As you pointed out, there's a real tension between having instants for Hullbreaker, and creatures, for Dollhouse. Which created a real challenge in the second match (~25 minutes, isn't playing against Azorius control SO MUCH FUN?!)
Hullbreaker is still decent as an uncounterable flash threat that can bounce things at sorcery speed, just won’t be as good at countering things like Epiphany.
@@LegenVD maybe you could switch out the meathook for instants ? it didn't come in too much in these games and you already have some clear with toxrill
2nd game: just wanted to mention that "malkavian" is a bloodline in the world of darkness / vampire - they're said to be always insane but often brilliant. opponent lives up to their name, great game
Intrepid Adversary is the card I usually see with Dollhouse of Horrors that has the most explosive power. Best kind of deck I've seen was basically an Aggro/Control deck being able to play both roles equally. It is nice to see a different take for its use. Dollhouse is just a very powerful value engine that makes it feels like you can't lose once you have it going. It really works well with creatures that learn too, whether it is for the lessons or the looting of more creatures. Hearing you say you made so many duds after I've seen multiple decks go to town with DollHouse, makes me want to know what cards you were trying with it that didn't work. I've seen Scute Swarm used, but it kind of a win more stiuation, adding an extra step to a process that would win by itself anyways. Dollhouse is better as a regular value engine I think. Even if the value is small it adds up quickly. That and as I mentioned, Intrepid Adversary gives a way to have an early creature in aggro match ups, stabilize you life total, and/or win games out of nowhere. Being able to make a giant creature with lifelink and haste that pumps any other normal creatures you have lying around is pretty insane. I think Hullbreaker Horror was alright for this deck, but this deck wasn't alright for Hullbreaker. You can do way more with that card than how this deck was using it. Still enjoyed seeing a different approach to using Dollhouse of Horrors.
I think Consider would be a good adition to the deck. You can use to put expensive stuff from the top of the deck into your graveyard and it's great with the Horror.
I've build a Sultai Reanimator deck with Dollhouse, 4 Scute swarms and with one Lier, Hullbreaker, Koma, Toxril and Burning Rune Demon each. Pretty fun & strong deck with a lot of control (some bounce spells, 3 Meathook for board wipe).
Finally got around to this deck build, and this is one the most fun decks you’ve made yet. The only deck I like more is the skeletal swarming/meathook/dreadfest deck. Awesome job with this one
I had an idea during previews about pairing this card with blue loot effects and dying to serve in a light snow deck. There is Hawk that loots for 1 mana, and there is the looting werewolf, so with enchantment you can create 2 zombies per turn cycle and fill the graveyard for dollhouse. There is also the 5 mana reanimator spell that returns creature upon being looted, which also fits nicely, as well as various flashback reanimation spells (the Rakdos one is particularly interesting with the demon, since it can create copy before being exiled). Red also opens access to Plargg (the Red Dean), which can also loot for free. Green, on the other hand, opens access to other good cards. You only need a few snow basics in the deck for the hawk, as it can use 1 snow mana of any color, so 3 colored decks can easily fit the snow theme needed for this deck. It might not be the best deck, but it sounds like it would fit the theme of your channel (making unusual cards work). Zombies will also provide fodder for demon, and help you survive longer. Reanimating werewolf and hawk with dollhouse is also nice, as they have unlockable/flying, so can pressure your opponent while zombies will stall the ground.
Wtf are you all talking about? It's an insane card in draft, generating creatures every turn is very strong. I have yet to lose a single game after this card resolved. This isn't a reanimator card, it's more like God Faraoh Gift, it lets you reuse all your creatures, and on top of them, they constantly grow, if you keep them alive. Thinking about it as expensive reanimator spell doesn't make any sense, it can be anything from endgame finisher for an Aggro deck, to value engine for grinding deck. Its only weakness the fact that it dies to abrade and green uncommon.
@@zacharysain8516 I am sorry for your loss, but thanks for the chuckle. Losing like that is a fascinating mix of frustrating and funny. I do sometimes feel bad when I win but know that it is only because my opponent forgot about something (usually a trigger or activated ability).
I like the build. I think the celestus would be a good fit, just in case you get the big drops stuck in your hand. It also ramps you into doll house on turn 4.
i tried Dollhouse with Esper colors.. draw&discard to get Toxrill, Hullbreaker and Lier to grave. was fun, but did often feel clumsy. not so great deck. sometimes early dollhouse on play, but it felt like casting the creatures from hand was much more effective strategy. after they got removed, then Dollhouse could finish the game from the value perspective. playing things seems more effective in standard now, than trying to do extra step by getting them in graveyard. Dollhouse could be great 2 of to get added value from creatures that have enter battlefield effects or can boost the troops.
The turn on that was going around 19:30 I think you would have just won if you slammed exhibition, or at least forced another doomskar He was tapped out.
@@LegenVD That’s fair I was just thinking that your hand was pretty stacked and that was a pretty prime opportunity to cast it, And if he didn’t have another doomskar you would just untap and win
I may be mistaken, but when Lierre flash backed fateful absence to kill HBH you could have kept the hullbreaker in play and bounced the fateful absence. Flashback spells are exiled as part of their cost, so it can't be returned to the hand
I feel like Overcharged Amalgam would be great for your deck, not only is it a flash exploit card that counters, you can reanimate it to get a second use of that counter!
Love the video. Side question: does anyone remember the deck he made where he uses Warlock Class and Scourge of the Skyclaves to oneshot the opponent? I am trying to find it in his list and I can't. Any help is much appreciated!
Maybe you could try adding in 4 copies of Consider to try to take more advantage of Hullbreaker Horror. Divide by Zero can actually be cut entirely from the deck.
I think Hullbreaker is not really shining in this deck. Not enough instants or flash cards. That new 3/3 exploit flyer that counters could help and some cheap instants, too.
Hullbreaker is still decent as an uncounterable flash threat that can bounce things at sorcery speed, just won’t be as good at countering things like Epiphany.
@@LegenVD Yep, agreed. I think every second deck I run into these days runs Epiphanies unfortunately. And I always feel bad when I use a Hullbreaker and run into a 1 mana fading hope before I can even attack xD. I’m testing Hullbreaker in a Dimir dicard shell currently that relies on the opp. top decking answers against Hullbreaker by the time it comes down and then I have Syncopate as a 1 mana counter nothing but return hullbreaker to hand if need be. And 2 test of talents for the Epiphany decks. So far decent results. PS: I like your new upload schedule much better :)
Great point, although I couldn't really tell that it was a copy with Flashback. The red glowy animation I presume is from it being uncounterable, so not sure how to find out at a glance.
Scute swarm is a good build around, seen another channel use that and some other stuff. Malikir rebirth or another cheap instant could be useful in the deck. Hullbreaker really shines when you can pretty much counter bounce them anytime lol
I think black is a bit too strong in standard right now. Whenever I play my mono black deck it seems like as long as i can survive past turn 5 it is almost impossible to lose. Between blood on the snow, meathook, eyetwitch and shambling ghast the color is just sooo consistent.
Black has a ton of card draw. I have a version of monoblack that uses deadly dispute, scorpion zombie dude, sorin, and lolth. In a grindy game, it's not uncommon for me to get around 20 cards left in the library before the game ends.
I bet it takes you two hours to watch 60 Minutes. I'm kidding. I'd be thorough too if I knew people would be nitpicking every play I made. Dollhouse looks super fun. I can't wait for the historic brews
Why do people play intrepid adversary turn 2? Unless you have 2 in hand I see no reason before turn 6? That's what I do with it anyway outside 2 scenarios, emergency deployment as block (last resort too good too waste) or post board wipe. But I play either izzet dragons or my toxrill control deck 90% of the time (usually the izzet if I'm on ranked, at diamond tier 3 ATM, just started this season too but I've played magic off n on whole life, last played during alara block around alara reborn, the 5 color control days!)
I don't know how you play against control decks with such patience; I tend to just scoop when I see them not play a spell turn 4, my time is more valuable than some gold 🤣
"Thalia makes Dollhouse cost 8. Still a bargain."
You sir. You earned my chuckle.
Am glad how the small changes u make from time to time like adding music at the end or showing different format decks and now playing ranked never took away the chemistry of your vids. Wanna say that thx for being you and keep making choices and changing and growing if the need ever arises.
What a grindy match 2. I love the long hard fought games! Keep up the LegenvDary content!
Your voice with lo-fi is the best ambient I've ever heard for a work
The tricky thing about this build is that it doesn't seem that there are enough instants to take advantage of Hullbreaker. As you pointed out, there's a real tension between having instants for Hullbreaker, and creatures, for Dollhouse. Which created a real challenge in the second match (~25 minutes, isn't playing against Azorius control SO MUCH FUN?!)
Hullbreaker is still decent as an uncounterable flash threat that can bounce things at sorcery speed, just won’t be as good at countering things like Epiphany.
Also it has crab claws, so that's nice too ;)
@@LegenVD maybe you could switch out the meathook for instants ? it didn't come in too much in these games and you already have some clear with toxrill
@@Muhbautz What would you recommend?
2nd game: just wanted to mention that "malkavian" is a bloodline in the world of darkness / vampire - they're said to be always insane but often brilliant. opponent lives up to their name, great game
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That second game is what Magic is all about for me…..a good strategic game. A good game well done.
He played that so well! I would have lost for sure
Lobster House sounds like an extremely esoteric genre of music and I want it to exist so badly
Intrepid Adversary is the card I usually see with Dollhouse of Horrors that has the most explosive power. Best kind of deck I've seen was basically an Aggro/Control deck being able to play both roles equally. It is nice to see a different take for its use. Dollhouse is just a very powerful value engine that makes it feels like you can't lose once you have it going. It really works well with creatures that learn too, whether it is for the lessons or the looting of more creatures.
Hearing you say you made so many duds after I've seen multiple decks go to town with DollHouse, makes me want to know what cards you were trying with it that didn't work. I've seen Scute Swarm used, but it kind of a win more stiuation, adding an extra step to a process that would win by itself anyways. Dollhouse is better as a regular value engine I think. Even if the value is small it adds up quickly. That and as I mentioned, Intrepid Adversary gives a way to have an early creature in aggro match ups, stabilize you life total, and/or win games out of nowhere. Being able to make a giant creature with lifelink and haste that pumps any other normal creatures you have lying around is pretty insane.
I think Hullbreaker Horror was alright for this deck, but this deck wasn't alright for Hullbreaker. You can do way more with that card than how this deck was using it. Still enjoyed seeing a different approach to using Dollhouse of Horrors.
Really cool dollhouse build! Probably one of the best uses for the card I've seen yet.
I think Consider would be a good adition to the deck. You can use to put expensive stuff from the top of the deck into your graveyard and it's great with the Horror.
Followed your tip, it works great
@@MicheleScalvini Good to know! :)
Dollhouse of Horrors with Scute Swarm is kind of funny, I'd recommend it.
I think that niche is already covered.
I've build a Sultai Reanimator deck with Dollhouse, 4 Scute swarms and with one Lier, Hullbreaker, Koma, Toxril and Burning Rune Demon each. Pretty fun & strong deck with a lot of control (some bounce spells, 3 Meathook for board wipe).
@@LegenVD a man of taste.
Finally got around to this deck build, and this is one the most fun decks you’ve made yet. The only deck I like more is the skeletal swarming/meathook/dreadfest deck. Awesome job with this one
I had an idea during previews about pairing this card with blue loot effects and dying to serve in a light snow deck. There is Hawk that loots for 1 mana, and there is the looting werewolf, so with enchantment you can create 2 zombies per turn cycle and fill the graveyard for dollhouse. There is also the 5 mana reanimator spell that returns creature upon being looted, which also fits nicely, as well as various flashback reanimation spells (the Rakdos one is particularly interesting with the demon, since it can create copy before being exiled). Red also opens access to Plargg (the Red Dean), which can also loot for free. Green, on the other hand, opens access to other good cards. You only need a few snow basics in the deck for the hawk, as it can use 1 snow mana of any color, so 3 colored decks can easily fit the snow theme needed for this deck. It might not be the best deck, but it sounds like it would fit the theme of your channel (making unusual cards work). Zombies will also provide fodder for demon, and help you survive longer.
Reanimating werewolf and hawk with dollhouse is also nice, as they have unlockable/flying, so can pressure your opponent while zombies will stall the ground.
That azorius game was beautiful!
Couldn't help but feel sorry for the first opponent. Doll House can be such an amazing card!
"I could counter it by playing two Hullbreaker Horrors and bouncing it"
Classic 14 mana counterspell. Thats a normal thing to happen in a game.
Yep - welcome to standard 20201
Match 2 may be the most epic game of Magic I've seen (°0°)
I got a copy of the dollhouse in every draft I’ve done of VOW and it has never impressed, so I’m excited to see you make it work
It's a kinda mid card in draft, but incredibly good in standard. Hard to make a viable reanimator strategy in draft
I lost to it today only because my dumbass didn’t read the second half of the abrade in my hand lol
Wtf are you all talking about? It's an insane card in draft, generating creatures every turn is very strong. I have yet to lose a single game after this card resolved.
This isn't a reanimator card, it's more like God Faraoh Gift, it lets you reuse all your creatures, and on top of them, they constantly grow, if you keep them alive.
Thinking about it as expensive reanimator spell doesn't make any sense, it can be anything from endgame finisher for an Aggro deck, to value engine for grinding deck.
Its only weakness the fact that it dies to abrade and green uncommon.
@@Derael lol seriously. this.
@@zacharysain8516 I am sorry for your loss, but thanks for the chuckle. Losing like that is a fascinating mix of frustrating and funny. I do sometimes feel bad when I win but know that it is only because my opponent forgot about something (usually a trigger or activated ability).
Mr. LVDs videos always makes my day
I like the build. I think the celestus would be a good fit, just in case you get the big drops stuck in your hand. It also ramps you into doll house on turn 4.
Match 2 was fucking wild!!
P.s. I loved this combo i would actually like to see more of this one
You can use the Hullbreaker's ability to bounce the spells Lier cast with flashback, they go into exile, and you keep double Hullbreakers in play.
Indeed, was just hard to tell that some of those spells were cast with Flashback.
i tried Dollhouse with Esper colors.. draw&discard to get Toxrill, Hullbreaker and Lier to grave. was fun, but did often feel clumsy. not so great deck. sometimes early dollhouse on play, but it felt like casting the creatures from hand was much more effective strategy. after they got removed, then Dollhouse could finish the game from the value perspective.
playing things seems more effective in standard now, than trying to do extra step by getting them in graveyard. Dollhouse could be great 2 of to get added value from creatures that have enter battlefield effects or can boost the troops.
Good Lord... that second game lasted an age. That's some Magic the Gathering right there.
The turn on that was going around 19:30 I think you would have just won if you slammed exhibition, or at least forced another doomskar He was tapped out.
I was saving Exhibition for once they were out of sweepers, trying to slowly bait them out with smaller creatures.
@@LegenVD That’s fair I was just thinking that your hand was pretty stacked and that was a pretty prime opportunity to cast it, And if he didn’t have another doomskar you would just untap and win
We were at the beach
Everybody had matching towels
Somebody went under a dock
And there they saw a rock
It wasn't a rock
It was a rock lobster
That second match is EXACTLY why I concede on T1 blue. Screw that lol.
I really love playing this deck but I'm curious with what you would replace the divide by zero now that we can't use it in standard ?
I may be mistaken, but when Lierre flash backed fateful absence to kill HBH you could have kept the hullbreaker in play and bounced the fateful absence. Flashback spells are exiled as part of their cost, so it can't be returned to the hand
Indeed, just hard to tell which cards are actually flashed back sometimes.
Mono Black would be proud
Lobster and Octopi were just declared "sentient beings" and should no longer be cooked alive.
So different to my build, Bant with Scutes and Linvala and Intrepids and Innkeepers and even a Chariot. Oh, and a Jacob, good for 7 mana hasty Insight
I feel like Overcharged Amalgam would be great for your deck, not only is it a flash exploit card that counters, you can reanimate it to get a second use of that counter!
Dollhouse is only Sorcery speed sadly.
@@LegenVD oh wow too bad! imagine how much better it would be if it gave instant speed reanimation?
Oppo using hand attack like duress then conceding when they see what you have is the best feeling lol.
Would there be an advantage to play some cards, that create blood tokens to move the finishers into the graveyard?
so i was in the shower yesterday dreaming up dollhouse brews. thanks for doing all the heavy lifting for me!
props for that awesome futurama reference XD
O shiet - released 25 seconds ago?
Time to watch some magic while it's slow at work 👍
That's like a mash of the decks that CGB and MBM have been playing lately 😄
Not a Patreon, but this deck translates into a really fun Brawl pile. I'll let people guess what forgotten commander fits best.
Love the video. Side question: does anyone remember the deck he made where he uses Warlock Class and Scourge of the Skyclaves to oneshot the opponent? I am trying to find it in his list and I can't. Any help is much appreciated!
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/43x3vwd_6Ss/w-d-xo.html
@@LegenVD Wow thanks! I am going to watch it three times now. (I kept searching key words like Warlock and Skyclaves and came up short)
Maybe you could try adding in 4 copies of Consider to try to take more advantage of Hullbreaker Horror. Divide by Zero can actually be cut entirely from the deck.
Divide is needed as an extra discard outlet.
Here early, came to show more love to my boy LVD and his love for slugs.
I think Hullbreaker is not really shining in this deck. Not enough instants or flash cards. That new 3/3 exploit flyer that counters could help and some cheap instants, too.
Hullbreaker is still decent as an uncounterable flash threat that can bounce things at sorcery speed, just won’t be as good at countering things like Epiphany.
@@LegenVD Yep, agreed. I think every second deck I run into these days runs Epiphanies unfortunately. And I always feel bad when I use a Hullbreaker and run into a 1 mana fading hope before I can even attack xD. I’m testing Hullbreaker in a Dimir dicard shell currently that relies on the opp. top decking answers against Hullbreaker by the time it comes down and then I have Syncopate as a 1 mana counter nothing but return hullbreaker to hand if need be. And 2 test of talents for the Epiphany decks. So far decent results. PS: I like your new upload schedule much better :)
I guess we have two more years of Lier + Hullbreaker + 28 bounce/counter spells to look forward to in standard?
Can you guys help me out, please, in 2022 I can still use this deck for example?
Is more historic brawl content in the plans now that we have a decent amount of time till the new set ?
Will probably make a few decks in the near future!
At 29:00 if you bounced the flashbacked Fateful Absence it would still be exiled
Great point, although I couldn't really tell that it was a copy with Flashback.
The red glowy animation I presume is from it being uncounterable, so not sure how to find out at a glance.
@@LegenVD I think the white clouds around the spell indicate its been paid with flashback but still not very clear
@@jordansparks140 I'll try to pay closer attention next time, thanks for the heads up!
Yer fond of me lobster aint' ye? I seen it - yer fond of me lobster!
Never will I give my time playing against a boring control deck (game #2). Your patience is legendary. lol
Scute swarm is a good build around, seen another channel use that and some other stuff.
Malikir rebirth or another cheap instant could be useful in the deck. Hullbreaker really shines when you can pretty much counter bounce them anytime lol
I strongly recommend playing snow and putting some havens in. haven is a construct as well and some people really don´t see the sneaky buff coming.
You and MTGGoldfish both put out videos with Dollhouse of Horrors decks within an hour of each other. I sense a dollspiracy.
Mono black magic was on the dollhouse train first
That second game hurt my brain
I think black is a bit too strong in standard right now. Whenever I play my mono black deck it seems like as long as i can survive past turn 5 it is almost impossible to lose. Between blood on the snow, meathook, eyetwitch and shambling ghast the color is just sooo consistent.
Black has a ton of card draw. I have a version of monoblack that uses deadly dispute, scorpion zombie dude, sorin, and lolth. In a grindy game, it's not uncommon for me to get around 20 cards left in the library before the game ends.
Nah if it was that good everyone would be playing mono black, i mostly encounter mono green/white and epiphany decks.
Frankly I forgot that Burn Down the House could even make devil tokens
I demand the rock lobster song in the intro
I don't understand how you do it. Against the Azorious deck game 2 I actually fell asleep.
Always an easy scoop when I see that kind of boring decks. Life is too short.
Lol when you said "this feels pretty unfair", I thought no need to feel bad. Playing mono white is being unfair. 😹😹
Do you prefer this deck over the slime tribal?
They’re on a similar level.
Scute Swarm is where it's at with the Dollhouse
Someone else already cornered that market.
pls make a Torens Fist of the Angels deck ;ccc
I bet it takes you two hours to watch 60 Minutes. I'm kidding. I'd be thorough too if I knew people would be nitpicking every play I made. Dollhouse looks super fun. I can't wait for the historic brews
Keep up the great content, especially keep showing the games where the OPP is land screwed.
Why do people play intrepid adversary turn 2? Unless you have 2 in hand I see no reason before turn 6? That's what I do with it anyway outside 2 scenarios, emergency deployment as block (last resort too good too waste) or post board wipe. But I play either izzet dragons or my toxrill control deck 90% of the time (usually the izzet if I'm on ranked, at diamond tier 3 ATM, just started this season too but I've played magic off n on whole life, last played during alara block around alara reborn, the 5 color control days!)
I've liked Dollhouse in brawl... just barely... for how it interacts with the Commander
Please make a necroduality deck
I already did!
Aka: "Don't Fuck With the Chuck".deck
I don't know how you play against control decks with such patience; I tend to just scoop when I see them not play a spell turn 4, my time is more valuable than some gold 🤣
Needs some rock lobster memes
Yes show me the horrors Legend
To me Match to was a duel of strong fighters but only doing feints
The 2nd game is the Good Game.
Hullbreaker seems kinda meh in this deck as it barely have any cheap instants, certainly can get something that suits it better
Why not Zoidberg, indeed
Why does the hullbreaker horror never help anybody?
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He is very shellfish
I know that was a crabby joke.
I’m getting smarter at this game. I keep seeing the usual suspects.
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Jordan Peterson has manifested as a deck.
Explain?
The dominant lobster has emerged.
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Slacking again!