I love that you guys are letting the episodes organically be however long you talked about the chapter rather than limiting yourselves to a certain time frame.
That's gonna be the bad part about all the tour episodes which take up all the best chapters of this book. All the marauder chapters are taken by tour dates so they're gonna be so limited.
@@FlareFritzi hope they take the feedback on the poll they did, from most people wanting the in-studio version recorded first and the live shows uploaded as bonus content 😅
@ThatGirlShelbyy Yeah me too, those are some of my favorite chapters in the entire series and I hate to think of them getting cut so short by the time limits the live shows have.
Wait have we considered that Harry is affected by dementors more than everyone else because the piece of Voldemorts soul inside him has to also re-live the most traumatic day of it’s life? Lilys voice in Harrys mind could be a lot clearer because Voldemort, as a much more sentient being than Harry at the time, also heard those screams right before his worst fear was realized
I love this theory! Particularly since they are such soul-based creatures (with their kiss), I wouldn't be surprised at all if horcruxes have a reaction with dementors.
the theory's been thought of already. i saw it on a pinterest pic of a tumblr post and i think they've talked about it themselves in an episode on SCB but i don't remember what one.
I think the reason Neville isn't as deeply effected by the dementors is because he had his grandmother to help him get through his grief. Harry was put in an abusive household because of the death of his parents.
In 4th year in Unforgivable curses class he is more enraged then scared imo. One of the best examples of channeling your "bad" emotions into something positive trough books 4. and 5. by him.
It is like Lupin says, Harry has so much more than everyone else. He witnessed his parents be murdered, after spending time in hiding. Then he is taking to an abusive household, where he is tortured for 10 years, after spending who knows how long in his wreaked bedroom with his mother’s corpse. Before Hogwarts the closest thing he has to a friend is Mrs Figg and her cats. He doesn’t even remember being hugged! Neville never saw his parents torture, but he lived with the torture of seeing what was done to them most of his life, but he had remaining family who loved him. Ginny also had problems with the dementors after her first year, but she had a loving family to help her through it. Luna also had her dad and still had memories of her mother.
this episode made me think about how cool it could've been if Neville were closer friends with them from the start, so that there's a total generational parallel with all 4 marauders.
The class isn’t mad about learning something new with Snape, they’re mad about him calling on them and grilling them over reading they haven’t done yet.
46:28 I think the real world equivalent to Harry wanting to learn a patronous at 13 is for a kid to want to learn advanced martial arts or self-defence techniques. Harry really just wants to protect himself, and I couls see a martial arts instructor, maybe with a young teen that has an abusive parent or something, hesitating, but ultimately giving in to the child's determination to master extremely challenging and complex moves as they strive to be able to protect themself against a very real threat.
YESSS, I was just at that part while going to the comments and I just KNEW that Remus was kinda not really seeing Harry in front of him, but James, because it's exactly how James would have acted. Thank you for reminding me of the exact thing why I got that feeling! :D It would have annoyed me the entire day xD
Crazy fan theory: Hagrid rescues the cat and Harry at the same time and ends up taking the cat to a friend who advises him to take him to Mrs Figg. While traveling he stops at a pub for a pint first and others find out the story about Harry’s survival and Lily and James’ fate. At the same time everyone learns Harry looks like James and has the scar (why everyone recognizes him immediately his whole life). Mrs Figg eventually takes the Potter’s cat to the magical menagerie when it’s getting time to send Harry to school, assuming since Harry has seen pics his whole life he will get his cat back, but Hagrid gets him an owl instead. Magical menagerie lady doesn’t allow his cat out for sale until Harry finally enters the shop with Ron and Hermoine and Crookshanks recognizes Peter and immediately takes action. Supporting the Crookshanks is the Potter’s cat theory.
My addition/modification is that Crookshanks is the offspring of the Potter's cat. Mrs Figg breeds half-kneazles and it's entirely possible that the parent cat "told" their kid about Sirius and Peter. And Crookhanks got to the pet store 2-3 years before Harry and co (that can be a long time for a pet not to be adopted hence the "ages" comment.)
I kinda think Hagrid was just instantly charmed by baby Harry. He was just so in love he holed himself up somewhere in secret to cuddle and play with the baby. Felt like he needed it after such a fright. Possibly even purchased the blanket that Harry is wrapped in because the house was blown apart I imagine nothing was worth salvaging. I love the idea of him purchasing this cozy warm blanket that magically shuts out any cold. Harry’s last bit of magic for almost ten years.
Quidditch Through the Ages says the Quaffle has a Gripping Charm cast on it to make it easier to hold and is also enchanted to fall slowly, as though through water.
You've mentioned several times how Sirius is using the Honneydukes passage, but that's never how I read it. I've always assumed he was using the Shrieking Shack - Whomping Willow passage every time he is coming to the castle because that's the one that isn't guarded. He can press the knot in the tree from the inside and gets help from Crookshanks to get back in, if he doesn't just use a stick or something.
I agree, on the condition that Sirius also knows of a way to get from the Whomping Willow to the inside of the castle without using the regular doors. Because that's the main drawback of the Shrieking Shack passage; it only gets him onto the grounds.
@@christinabrock2893 Somehow I find it more likely that Sirius knows a way into the castle from the grounds than that he on at least 2 different occasions managed to break into (and presumably out of) Honeydukes without anyone noticing. He would know not only the passages that leads to places outside the grounds, but also in and out of the castle. And Harry does see Crookshanks and Sirius together on at least one, maybe two occasions, in the grounds, and I don't think Hermione would just let Crookshanks loose in the grounds like that, so there must be some door or passage open in and out of the castle, and Sirius being in the grounds either means he used the Willow passage those times, or we're upping the number of times he broke into Honneydukes to 3-4 and also admitting he has a way in and out in order to get out to the grounds and back into the witch statue.
And at this point in the story, Scabber's missing toe has been mentioned like 4 times. Like once a book as part of his description and like twice so far in PoA. So if you manage to deduce here that Peter = Wormtail, then you may have also noticed that the only rat is also a rat missing a 'finger.'
The unfolding marauder's map does kinda make sense. With how many floors Hogwars has, it's basically a whole collections of maps. I'd imagine having every single floor map on ONE single whole sheet would make that sheet of paper ENORMOUS.
I disagree. It's always described as just a normal piece of old parchment. Having a bunch of connecting papers and folds would make it very recognizable and unique. One of the benefits of the map is that you can wipe it clean to conceal its contents and make it blend in with their normal school work.
@@phillipmonson1003 I'm not saying that the movie version is accurate, I know the book version is just a piece of parchment. But they critisized the movie map for being crazy with all the flaps, I'm just saying that a normal square piece of parchment would have to be HUGE to cover every single floor of hogwarts with all it's staircases and secret passages to boot. OR the print would have to be tiny and illegible to fit on a parchment meant for writing. A useful map for a castle interior would have to be the size of a small blanket if it's a single sheet. So I think an unfolding system makes sense.
My headcanon is that whether Harry got Hogsmeade permission or not, the twins had either decided a while back that he should have the Map or it was a sympathy gift for him losing the Nimbus. I don't think they only gave it to him because he couldn't get out of the school.
I always thought that the twins gave the map to Harry because he’s a rule breaker like them and the marauders. Harry is always mixed up in chaotic happenings (troll, philosophers stone, flying the car to school, chamber of secrets) so he’d use the map for mischief as it was intended. So I agree, they’d give it to Harry whether he had permission or not, he’s the natural successor.
@@jessicataylor8445almost like the deathly hallows he is the true master of it and it finds his way back to marauders blood. The twins were the closest masters until Harry came back?
My headcanon is that they gave it to him partly because they appreciate the fact that he can tell them apart. As much as they love messing with people by mixing themselves up, it has to feel really good that someone (besides their family and presumably Lee) takes the trouble to see them as individuals, not just as a unit.
I heard someone else put it a different way--- In this moment, Harry has two big brothers. He's family. They see him struggling and they want to help him have a good time. Sometimes, it can be that simple.
I love the idea, they are actually best friends. But the type of best friends who drive each absolutely insane. But they bond of both having deep obsessions.
@@taylorhagen3916 I really want to imagine them driving each other insane for like the first couple of years. Just absolutely do not get each other in like a fundamental way and then they realize they're both insane in the same way just about different things and then they are fully friends.
On the "Fred and George never bring up Peter Pettigrew" thing, I think it's much simpler than your theory about the Marauders. The duo tell Harry they don't need the map because they've memorized all the secrets, and you yourselves said that implies they don't use it to look for people. And even if they did, they'd be on the lookout for Filch or teachers, or something, not checking the Griffindor dormitories to see who's sleeping.
Yep, they probably checked the griffindor tower in their first days to check if there are any secrets, and later never bothered to look at it again because, I mean, why really? BUT I still think the theory that marauders can’t be seen on the map by random ppl is good. Both explanations work and it’s not like they contradict each other
A huge reason that Harry gets hit so hard by the Dementors is that he has two souls in him. That moment was bad for both Harry and Voldemort. For Harry, it was the night his parents died and he was cursed, for Voldemort, it was when his narcissistic butt was blasted to smithereens.
I've always interpreted Harry's excuse for not turning the map in ("then Filch would know who took it") as implying that Filch didn't even know it was missing (presumably he doesn't do an exhaustive search of his confiscated items drawer every night to check that everything is still there!)
I don't know where you got the notion that Malfoy is a popular student. If Lucious didn't get Nimbus 2001's for the whole team he wouldn't be on it, as far as we know he has never caught the snitch, and he has the fastest broom in the school until Harry gets his Firebolt. The only student's we see him hanging out with until the train ride to Hogwarts in HBP are Crabbe and Goyle, and sometimes he talks to Pansy. I suspect the reaction after Buckbeak attacked Malfoy was due more to house loyalty than being friends with Malfoy.
Draco gets people to wear the support Cedric Diggory/Potter stinks badges, he gets people to sing Weasley is our King, people appear to laugh with him as he mocks Harry. He needs to be somewhat popular for those things to become bigger than just his group of friends.
THANK YOU! Iam so grateful for this episode today. I got around 4 hours sleep last night due to pain, so two hours of Jay and Ben doorking out on Harry Potter was so helpful. Pain is still there but I had some better to focus on. This shows really saved my day.
1:28:39 maybe Hermione learned this spell in her first year after seeing Hagrid carry 12ft Christmas trees to the Great Hall. And every year after that she helps him 🤔 😅
Please please please keep doing the longer episodes. 2 hours? Those are rookie numbers! ❤ I will listen as long as you guys talk 😂 Also for the length of the Honeydukes walk…in Hogwarts Legacy it is a pretty significant walk to get to Hogsmeade. Also the students have to take a carriage ride from Hogsmeade Station denoting that it is actually a good distance from the school as well. I could believe it’s close to 4 miles from the school.
VeggieGamer has long discussions, too. As do I, but my health and other responsibilities makes it take months per chapter... Bibliobibuli is also great for long discussions. 🍻🪄
Guys, as much as I'd love the theory that the marauders are only visible to each other on the map to be true, Snape sees Lupin on the map at the end of this book when he brings him his wolfsbane potion and sees he left the map on his desk.
Matin is French for morning. So matinee basically means morning show, but since most theater events are in the evening, over time it's come to refer generally as any early show.
My thought about others not collapsing at the quidditch match is that the dementors came in from above and Harry was higher up than most of the people. So there were enough dementors to make others collapse, but they were driven off quickly while most of them were still fairly distant, but Harry got a much more direct encounter with them. I guess Cedric must be fairly resistant to the dementors, but that does seem reasonable from what we know of him.
In the book the Dementors don't fly around they just hover above the ground. So the audience is actually closer to the Dementors then the Quidditch players. The reason why no one else fainted could be that the audience had still so many posstive emotions in them from the game they also were among their friends so that could be the reason why they were not effected that much. Also we should not forget that the book is written from Harry's POV and at the moment the Dementors appear Harry has no time to pay much attention to his suroundings. We also know the vision is bad because of the rain. Since Malfoy is making fun of Harry for collapsing I wouldn't tell anyone if I passed out. So it could be some one else fainted and we just don't know.
1:36:30 I don't think that the Potters were under the Fidelius charm for a year. If they were, Lily wouldn't be writing to Sirius, she'd just talk to him the next time he visited. This suggests that the Potters were under some sort of protection that makes visiting a bit inconvenient. Not so inconvenient that Batilda Bagshod couldn't spend days with them, but enough that you don't just visit your isolated friends after work to chat for a few minutes. Lily's letter mentioning that James was under stress from not being able to leave the house may have prompted Sirius to talk to Dumbledore about the Invisibility Cloak, and have the latter suggest using the Fidelius Charm instead. The way the charm is described in this chapter, the secret seems to have been that "the Potters are hiding in Godric's Hollow" and not "the Potters' house can be found at 123 Fourth Street, Godric's Hollow." That secret would let them safely leave the house if they stayed in their town. I think it is plausible that Dumbledore hired James to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts for the 1980-81 school year. Dumbledore would have needed the position filled anyway, and James couldn't have done much else for the Order under the circumstances. Having the Potters live at Hogwarts would also make it clear to Snape that Dumbledore was protecting Lily, encouraging him to keep spying for the Order. Then James quits when he finds out that Dumbledore hired Snape to teach Potions the next year. That would explain why the Potters weren't considering using the Fidelius Charm until summer or fall of 1981. And Dumbledore hiring Snape might have made James doubt his judgement right around that time, contributing to the decision to choose Sirius/Peter as Secret Keeper instead.
Neville tells Umb**ch during the care of magical creatures class where they are learning about thestrals that he saw his grandad die. When Harry reads Lily's letter in DH she says to Sirius that she understands that he couldn't come to Harry's birthday as he was doing something for the order, which should come first and in any case Harry wasn't old enough to understand that it was his birthday. So it wasn't because of the fidelius charm being in place.
Hagrid drinking a literal gallon of mead makes sense given his size. There’s all these stories about how much Andre the Giant could drink without getting drunk. It took six bottles of wine just to get him buzzed. Factor in Hagrid is actually part giant and I doubt that much mead would even affect him
In the sports discussion, I'm surprised you didn't mention Quodpot, the American version of Quidditch where the Quod (Enchanted Quaffle) explodes if you don't get it into a special pot that stops it from blowing up. You get a point for each Quod put in it's pot, but if one explodes in a player's possession, they are eliminated from the game.
Not necessarily. Molly was technically an adult when the Marauders were in school, after all (since Bill is about nine years older than Harry and Ron).
@@MulanBelle and McGonagall is described as having dark hair, not grey. Much more like Prof Hardbroom from Worst Witch, which JK basically plagiarized.... 😂 🍻
Woo 2hrs! I've got so many thoughts about this chapter and Fudge just spilling the beans to the whole pub?! Also glad to see Mike back he was a delight and added a lot to the dynamic last week! Looking forward to listening in!
1:38:02 I’m deathly hallows, Arthur and Bill are each secret keepers for their own houses (or maybe Arthur is for aunty Myrial’s house can’t quite remember), but Bill is definitely his own secret keeper.
They should make a whole series of these great wizards doing magnificent feats and at the end of each one a blonde wizard in lilac robes sneaks up from behind and obliviates them.
My headcannon is that the part of Voldemort’s soul in Harry reacts to the dementors, which is why Harry is so effected. He is experiencing two soul’s worth of depression. It is also why he can hear his mother; infants would not be able to hold onto those memories, but Voldemort may be reliving the moment of his death
imagine an anthology series of Gilderoy lockhart where he's basiclly like the bad guy of the episode you know an adventure is gonna happen and gilderoy is gonna slither his way to being the main character by the end of each episode O.O
That would be facinating but heartbreaking. I hope they go round and find all of them after Gilderoy falls and form a support/adventuring group. You could probably make a fun series about a bunch of innocuous witches and wizards being brought together, maybe by someone mysterious who knows the truth. Then slowly they find out they were mind wiped and regain their memories and self conifdence about their unique skills and insights.
I assumed that Mundungus was one of Dumbledore’s spies. The book says that Albus got him out of serious trouble a while back and he feels loyalty towards Dumbledore. Mundungus would probably have death eater associates who are also sneak thieves.
I would LOVE a "What If.......Ginny had been able to go on the quest with the Golden Trio?" Yes, yes, I know she still has the Trace on her, but if they'd been able to figure out a way to remove it, or the quest happened one year later, then she'd have gone. Let's face it, they wouldn't have been able to stop her from coming. We kinda know this from the fact that she wouldn't let her parents/the Order send her home before the Battle of Hogwarts, and when Harry needs the RoR, she just runs out of there, into the battle, already casting a spell as she literally runs off the page. Just an idea, because I personally LOVE Book Ginny, and I feel that Bonnie Wright would've done Book Ginny justice if Film Ginny was written well, and was the bad-ass she was supposed to be. Because the VERY VERY TINY amount of Book "Accurate" Ginny, Bonnie did fantastically with, right from the line in Flourish and Blott's, warning Malfoy to leave Harry alone. Anyone wanna chime in, please do 😊⚡
My reading comprehension wasn't the greatest when Harry Potter was coming out so I've only seen the movies and have only just started reading the books so I was just wondering does it explain how the trace works in detail in the books for example do you know where the witch/wizard is constantly or do you only know where they are when they use magic if it's the second one then that would be a great way for your what if storyline to work: Ginny convinces the trio to let her go Hermione only allows it IF Ginny learns muggle self defense tactics to use instead of magic so while Hermione works on a spell to stop their magic being traced due to being near Ginny she learns martial arts until at one moment on their journey Ginny has no other option but to use her magic which then allows them to get captured the some point after that she then uses muggle techniques to defeat one/more of the death eaters which will show that just because it's muggle doesn't mean it can't help the wizarding world
I don’t really see how they could get rid of the trace, seems beyond abilities of any particular person, especially outside of the ministry. If there was anyone they would have removed the trace for it would have been harry, while srimgeour was still alive and tried to help. Would have to be a one year later scenario.
@@mb-sb5ever I think the Trace is automatically lifted up on turning 17. I know they imply that it might not have been lifted on Harry prior to them knowing the taboo on Voldy's name, but I don't think it possible.
@@wrdreads4742 oh I know that part as they mentioned it in the movies I was just thinking about when Dobby used magic around harry and the trace thought it was harry and since as Hermione is super smart she might be able to shield this side effect or something in this what if scenario
Idk how HBO is going to do the first episode of the new series but the first chapter and ALL the background stuff we get of those couple days. Godric’s Hollow and James and Lily putting Harry to bed only for Voldemort to attack… Hagrid picking up Harry, Sirius and Peter dueling on a Muggle Street, the wizards celebrating and the Muggle News mentioning its early for Guy Fawkes celebrations, intercut with scenes of the Dursley’s. Leave out all the crucial information we need later, but giving just enough to introduce you to the two totally different worlds in this universe would be EPIC! For it to end with Harry being dropped off at Privet Drive. Think of that series premiere.
The biggest issue with this book is that there is absolutely NO way that not one person knew Peter was the Secret Keeper. Dumbledore and Bathilda for sure, and Sirius having a letter from Lily that mentions PETER being over... Like.. it's insane to think no one knew.
@@sawanna508 you're correct. Except that Dumbledore, Bathilda Bagshot, AND Peter Pettigrew all visited the Potter house. Peter was the secret keeper, but Dumbledore and Bathilda couldn't have visited unless Peter had told them where the Potters were. Even if it was by a note, I'm positive that as head of the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore would be familiar with everyone's handwriting if they were in the Order as well.
It’s definitely a plot hole but I’ve headcanoned for years that Sirius WAS secret keeper for most of the time, and at the last second got nervous and convinced them to actively change the spell to switch secret keepers. So yeah, I basically think the charm requires a caster and a keeper, they can’t be the same person, and becoming keeper is life-threatening (if it’s not cast right) and painful which is why ppl don’t use this charm very often, so Dumbledore was the caster and Sirius was the keeper but then when they switched, Sirius was caster and Peter was keeper. That way, before the switch Sirius could’ve told Dumbledore, Bathilda, and Peter the secret so they could visit, and after only Peter and Sirius could but no one else would’ve tried bc it all happened so quickly. IMO the reason Sirius was even worried is bc the charm would only count something as coercion in the short term (basically if you’re able to calm down, the low level stress of war/ppl you love being in danger wouldn’t count) so if he was forced to choose between protecting the Potter’s or someone else he loved (in this case I’m assuming Remus for Wolfstar reasons, and also bc damn near everyone else he cares about is dead or part of the Fidelius charm shenanigans at this point) and was given an extended period of time to sit with that knowledge and choose, the charm wouldn’t prevent it bc it would consider that an informed decision. Basically the same thing for Peter isn’t it? If he only told bc he knew Voldemort would kill him if he didn’t, then the spell clearly doesn’t consider that kind of stress coercion. Unless Peter had said no and Voldemort directly threatened his life it’s just him choosing his own life over theirs. Or I mean, you could assume that Peter just wanted them dead but given the fact that Lily says he seems sad about all the deaths happening in her letter, I doubt that.
The reason why the dementors affect Harry worse Is because he Isn't technically visiting his own worst memory (All though his Is the same) As a baby wouldn't be able to remember such detail. (The reason why Neville Isn't affected as badly) He's experiencing Voldemort's most traumatic memory In detail. Harry has a piece of Voldemort's soul Inside of him, and I think the dementors affecting him so, sets the stage for later things, like seeing Voldemort In his dreams In book 4, seeing the attack on Mr.Weasley book 5, and seeing/feeling Voldemorts thoughts and emotions In book 7
First, I read this chapter again last night, and i thought it'd be obvious that Lupin gives in to Harry here because from Lupin's perspective, he's seeing his friend James' son in trouble and feels an obligation to help him because he couldn't help James. Secondly, Fudge says "You-know-who alone and friendless is one thing, but give him back his biggest supporter". As of this chapter, he's aware Voldemort is alive, and by the end of the next book he 180's. What's up with that, if not the Imperius Curse?
Fudge can accept in the abstract that Voldemort is still alive and could possibly return. He just can't accept it really happening, because it scares him and he doesn't want to admit that all those years of peace is over.
I’ve read Lupin’s being a werwolf as an analogy for HIV and so read Hermione not telling anyone as her being so freaking cool and choosing not to “out” Lupin. It was part of why I loved her so much.
I always saw it as her seeing how mudbloods had been treated just the year before and knowing the pain of being hated for something beyond your control, her for just her birth and werewolves for being the victims of horrible attacks. Today we would never think about attacking a survivor of a horribly violent crime, but only a few decades ago that was common practice. Our “justice system” in the past was not so different from the ministry.
Yeah, it definitely always read as Hermione deciding it wasn't her place to tell anyone else his business. Especially towards the end when she thinks he's siding with Sirius she says something like "I trusted you, I didn't tell anyone you were a werewolf"--she wanted to respect his privacy because she's cool like that
@@MythStarFire same vibe for sure. It was cool as hell of her not to out Lupin and her experience as another marginalized group 100% played a roll in her choice.
About the broom beyond repair. The repair charme might not be able to fix something if to many pieces are missing. If I imagine the pristles of the broom broken into smaller twigs and splinters it must be very difficult to finde them all even with a summoning spell especially with twigs from the womping willow around as well. A glass or a jar of china breaks differently then wood.
I saw this on my suggested page and I immediately clicked on it, I love these episodes and find them so entertaining, I can't wait for their opinions on the later books!
You guys (w/ your staff and families) need to do a theatrical reading of the books! One of you narrate and the other voices Harry. You guys would rock that project. 😃
You have horrors in your past the other students can’t imagine is the bigest thing to make me question the whole he was a baby so the thestrals don’t count for his parents since he hears the very descriptive explanation of how they died. He literally says to lupin I hear voldemort murder my mom. He hears the screams, james trying to buy them time, voldemort telling her to step back, and then her screams and you’re telling me all of that doesn’t make him see the thestrals?
I went to the Harry Potter store in New York last year (it’s amazing by the way for anyone who hasn’t gone there yet) Got myself a dark chocolate chocolate frog. I was also headed back home that day so my silly butt decided to try and eat it on the subway ride back to the hotel because I didn’t know if I’d be able to get it through security at the airport. I probably could have and then just eaten it on the plane. Ended up throwing it away cuz it was melting and I didn’t have a bag or anything to put it in. Edit to add: How influential is Lucious Malfoy? Well he's got Fudge so deep in his pocket he doesn't need to use the Imperious Curse on him to control him after Voldemort's return Omg I had that watching the Olympics experience happen when watching the mens’ 4x100 relay. I know nothing about it but watching the slowed down first handoff of the baton by the US team I could just tell it was botched And then the ladies in the 4x400 just cooked.
Hey Brother.~ So, the whole Hagrid missing for a day thing. I always figured Dumbledore gave Hagrid orders to ride around with Harry for a day or something after rescuing him from the cottage, as a way to make any counter attacks from DeathEaters less likely. I forget which book its mentioned, but Dumbledore I believe admits at some point that he was concerned the DeathEaters would go after Harry once it was confirmed that Voldemort was missing. Thus, Hagrid is ordered to go into hiding for a day while Dumbledore gets things ready for Harry to live at Privite Drive.
The reason Harry is the only one who passes out could be because the dementors are pulling his memory out of his subconscious. Even though others had also terrible memories they were able to process it. Also Harry doesn't generally pass out due to dementors. Only in this book I don't think that Harry hears "Voldemorts worst memory" because in OotP his current worst memory is Voldemort telling Harry to bow to his death
The best part about rereading the books was to pick up on all the foreshadowing! I saw absolutely none of it the first time through. BTW four pints is 1/2 gallon--Yep that's a LOT of mead
You are correct. Odds are other students passed out. They just do not get the focus. And I remember in book 5, a lot of students got into the lime light when other students realized that they had family members killed by Voldemort, et al. One of the best lines from that book is when one of the students goes to Harry and asks him how he deals with the attention.
A pint is exactly half a quart, aka a quarter gallon, so Hagrid is ordering a half gallon of mead or a little less than 2 liters for our metric fans. Standard wine bottles are .75 liters. In my experience mead is usually between 10 and 15% alcohol (although it can vary pretty widely) which is like a very strong beer, or a little less than most wine so by my rough calculation Hagrid is drinking between 1 and 2 bottles of wine worth of alcohol.
1:37:26 I’m pretty sure Sirius can visit the Potter while they are in hiding. In think it says in Lily’s letter that it’s sad Sirius couldn’t be at Harry’s birthday, but that the order has to come first, so I just think he was unfortunately on a mission at that point. It would also make no sense if only Peter could visit them, because then everyone would know he was the secret keeper and the whole plot of this book revolves around the reveal that Peter was the secret keeper and not Sirius, but if Sirius couldn’t visit them, then that would just have been a well known fact within the Order.
I read these books in my late 20’s-early 30’s. I’m the kind of person who reads books and watches movies like a hawk so I’m usually pretty quick to figure things out. I drive my husband nuts. 😂 Y’all keep talking about how you can tie things together to figure out the map, etc. I HAD NO CLUE! 😂😂😂 Because magic!, this entire series kept me in the dark. I couldn’t get enough of it! It was great to be so surprised and just have things unfold at JKR’s intended pace. 🥰
If you're still wondering where "Matinée" comes from in theatre it has a pretty interesting History. It comes from the French word for "morning". But nowadays in theatre it often means afternoon (more generally an early showing of a play or other spectacle). To understand why the weirdness, a couple of things have to be understood. In the early days of theatre, plays were often played in the light of day, it was easier and cheaper than trying to do them by candle light. The other thing to note was that meals in France were originally named "déjeuner" (literally un-fasting, or breakfast), dîner (lunch), souper (supper). Plays tended to be before the dîner in the late morning. However as time went by for some strange cultural reasons meals starting slipping down further into the day until a new meal had to be invented in the morning, the "petit déjeuner" (little un-fasting) became the morning meal, the déjeuner became the noon meal, dîner became the usual name for the last meal of the day. In that time, the time for watching plays remained more associated with the idea of "a show before the dîner meal" than the actual period of the day thus the time for plays also slipped later and later in the day to become the afternoon, but the name stayed as matinée. Now matinée is essentially a show earlier in the day, especially if there's another one later in the evening or even at night, sometimes it's even in the morning. As an added note the old last meal of the day "souper" is still sometimes used interchangeably with the word "dîner" although it's old fashioned, but in the world of theatre, if you go to a late night show and you (or often the performers) seek out a meal afterwards late at night when it's too late for regular "dîner" that is still called the "souper".
Harry doesn't remember his parents dying when the dementors affect him. His Horcrux remembers dying! In DH, we see the full memory, and it's not Harry's it's Voldy's. No one else has ever died, so they don't pass out.
Maybe the dementors affect Harry more at the quidditch pitch because maybe they decided to go after him and their focused energy was directed at him and lessened for others.
I’m glad that we’re doing this read through, because I think I that some characters, like Draco, have developed a sympathetic fanbase over the years. It’s true that Draco was influenced by his upbringing, but there a levels of vindictive pleasure that Draco gets out of doing terrible things to people that have nothing to do with blood purity. Let’s face it, he was a jerk for the entire story.
The problem is that at this point Draco is a one note caricature instead of a fully realized character. Draco becomes fleshed out a bit later on and has at least some realistic depth, but not this early. He is archetypal of bullies, who constantly say the vilest things unendingly
@@sawanna508 that's a good point, and very plausible.... But there's more than a few things that have conditions on being visible. Room of requirement, thestrals, etc. I kinda assumed that it didn't matter if a Marauder opened the map or not, you still had to BE a Marauder or have the blood of one to see another one on the Map.
"Spare bit of old parchment." The movie had the Map as a _few_ bits of old parchment. 🙂 1:38:20 I heard one of the locals around here say, "Godparents aren't all about birthdays and Christmas presents." Usually a person will think it's ceremonial. However, it started out being an extremely important role in the child's life - a model of how to live a just life and be the parent in the case of both parents having tragedy get them.
mcgonigal is friends with dumbledor, later hagrid kisses her cheek and makes her blush. i think they're friends. also, i assumed that fudge joined the three of them lol
I love that you guys are letting the episodes organically be however long you talked about the chapter rather than limiting yourselves to a certain time frame.
That's gonna be the bad part about all the tour episodes which take up all the best chapters of this book. All the marauder chapters are taken by tour dates so they're gonna be so limited.
@@FlareFritzi hope they take the feedback on the poll they did, from most people wanting the in-studio version recorded first and the live shows uploaded as bonus content 😅
@ThatGirlShelbyy Yeah me too, those are some of my favorite chapters in the entire series and I hate to think of them getting cut so short by the time limits the live shows have.
@@ThatGirlShelbyy They only asked on patreon though and last I checked, results are pretty split. I sure hope for studio episodes though
@@delikatessbruhe9843 they posted the link to the free patreon on their community tab here on youtube and asked people to go vote on their preference
2 hours?! now thats what i call an episode
I thought the same thing! Am I on a supercut?? 😂🎉🎉
😂Can't wait to enjoy thissss🎉
It’s hilarious because just reading the chapter probably takes 30 minutes
Was just about to comment this! 😂 I hit play, then was like, wait did I see two hours? Killer
Sadly we’re gonna lose his again for all the tour episodes. Worst of all they said book 4 starts during it so that’s gonna be super annoying
Wait have we considered that Harry is affected by dementors more than everyone else because the piece of Voldemorts soul inside him has to also re-live the most traumatic day of it’s life? Lilys voice in Harrys mind could be a lot clearer because Voldemort, as a much more sentient being than Harry at the time, also heard those screams right before his worst fear was realized
I love this theory! Particularly since they are such soul-based creatures (with their kiss), I wouldn't be surprised at all if horcruxes have a reaction with dementors.
Headcanon accepted!
Harry is the home of 2 souls, so he is effected twice as much.
I assumed it was because that is also Voldemort's worst moment, too, because the spell backfired and he faced defeat.
the theory's been thought of already. i saw it on a pinterest pic of a tumblr post and i think they've talked about it themselves in an episode on SCB but i don't remember what one.
I think the reason Neville isn't as deeply effected by the dementors is because he had his grandmother to help him get through his grief. Harry was put in an abusive household because of the death of his parents.
Also Neville didn't witness their torture in person if i'm not mistaken.
In 4th year in Unforgivable curses class he is more enraged then scared imo. One of the best examples of channeling your "bad" emotions into something positive trough books 4. and 5. by him.
It is like Lupin says, Harry has so much more than everyone else. He witnessed his parents be murdered, after spending time in hiding. Then he is taking to an abusive household, where he is tortured for 10 years, after spending who knows how long in his wreaked bedroom with his mother’s corpse. Before Hogwarts the closest thing he has to a friend is Mrs Figg and her cats. He doesn’t even remember being hugged! Neville never saw his parents torture, but he lived with the torture of seeing what was done to them most of his life, but he had remaining family who loved him. Ginny also had problems with the dementors after her first year, but she had a loving family to help her through it. Luna also had her dad and still had memories of her mother.
this episode made me think about how cool it could've been if Neville were closer friends with them from the start, so that there's a total generational parallel with all 4 marauders.
I think the dementors are drawn to Harry because of the horocrux and sensing the evil of voldomort's soul
The class isn’t mad about learning something new with Snape, they’re mad about him calling on them and grilling them over reading they haven’t done yet.
Bingo!
46:28 I think the real world equivalent to Harry wanting to learn a patronous at 13 is for a kid to want to learn advanced martial arts or self-defence techniques. Harry really just wants to protect himself, and I couls see a martial arts instructor, maybe with a young teen that has an abusive parent or something, hesitating, but ultimately giving in to the child's determination to master extremely challenging and complex moves as they strive to be able to protect themself against a very real threat.
45:12 Lupin saw James's determination of becoming animagi in Harry at that moment
YESSS, I was just at that part while going to the comments and I just KNEW that Remus was kinda not really seeing Harry in front of him, but James, because it's exactly how James would have acted. Thank you for reminding me of the exact thing why I got that feeling! :D It would have annoyed me the entire day xD
Crazy fan theory: Hagrid rescues the cat and Harry at the same time and ends up taking the cat to a friend who advises him to take him to Mrs Figg. While traveling he stops at a pub for a pint first and others find out the story about Harry’s survival and Lily and James’ fate. At the same time everyone learns Harry looks like James and has the scar (why everyone recognizes him immediately his whole life). Mrs Figg eventually takes the Potter’s cat to the magical menagerie when it’s getting time to send Harry to school, assuming since Harry has seen pics his whole life he will get his cat back, but Hagrid gets him an owl instead. Magical menagerie lady doesn’t allow his cat out for sale until Harry finally enters the shop with Ron and Hermoine and Crookshanks recognizes Peter and immediately takes action. Supporting the Crookshanks is the Potter’s cat theory.
Ooo, good theory!
My addition/modification is that Crookshanks is the offspring of the Potter's cat.
Mrs Figg breeds half-kneazles and it's entirely possible that the parent cat "told" their kid about Sirius and Peter.
And Crookhanks got to the pet store 2-3 years before Harry and co (that can be a long time for a pet not to be adopted hence the "ages" comment.)
I kinda think Hagrid was just instantly charmed by baby Harry. He was just so in love he holed himself up somewhere in secret to cuddle and play with the baby. Felt like he needed it after such a fright. Possibly even purchased the blanket that Harry is wrapped in because the house was blown apart I imagine nothing was worth salvaging. I love the idea of him purchasing this cozy warm blanket that magically shuts out any cold. Harry’s last bit of magic for almost ten years.
Quidditch Through the Ages says the Quaffle has a Gripping Charm cast on it to make it easier to hold and is also enchanted to fall slowly, as though through water.
You've mentioned several times how Sirius is using the Honneydukes passage, but that's never how I read it. I've always assumed he was using the Shrieking Shack - Whomping Willow passage every time he is coming to the castle because that's the one that isn't guarded. He can press the knot in the tree from the inside and gets help from Crookshanks to get back in, if he doesn't just use a stick or something.
Either way makes equal sense. It's just a difference of interpretation.
I agree, on the condition that Sirius also knows of a way to get from the Whomping Willow to the inside of the castle without using the regular doors. Because that's the main drawback of the Shrieking Shack passage; it only gets him onto the grounds.
@@christinabrock2893 Somehow I find it more likely that Sirius knows a way into the castle from the grounds than that he on at least 2 different occasions managed to break into (and presumably out of) Honeydukes without anyone noticing. He would know not only the passages that leads to places outside the grounds, but also in and out of the castle. And Harry does see Crookshanks and Sirius together on at least one, maybe two occasions, in the grounds, and I don't think Hermione would just let Crookshanks loose in the grounds like that, so there must be some door or passage open in and out of the castle, and Sirius being in the grounds either means he used the Willow passage those times, or we're upping the number of times he broke into Honneydukes to 3-4 and also admitting he has a way in and out in order to get out to the grounds and back into the witch statue.
And at this point in the story, Scabber's missing toe has been mentioned like 4 times. Like once a book as part of his description and like twice so far in PoA. So if you manage to deduce here that Peter = Wormtail, then you may have also noticed that the only rat is also a rat missing a 'finger.'
The unfolding marauder's map does kinda make sense. With how many floors Hogwars has, it's basically a whole collections of maps. I'd imagine having every single floor map on ONE single whole sheet would make that sheet of paper ENORMOUS.
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I disagree. It's always described as just a normal piece of old parchment. Having a bunch of connecting papers and folds would make it very recognizable and unique. One of the benefits of the map is that you can wipe it clean to conceal its contents and make it blend in with their normal school work.
@@phillipmonson1003 I'm not saying that the movie version is accurate, I know the book version is just a piece of parchment. But they critisized the movie map for being crazy with all the flaps, I'm just saying that a normal square piece of parchment would have to be HUGE to cover every single floor of hogwarts with all it's staircases and secret passages to boot. OR the print would have to be tiny and illegible to fit on a parchment meant for writing.
A useful map for a castle interior would have to be the size of a small blanket if it's a single sheet. So I think an unfolding system makes sense.
@@The_Early_GamerWhat if as you focus on a certain spot it like, automatically zooms in enough to let you see what’s happening there? It is magic
When in doubt - apply “rule of cool”. And the movie version of the map looks really cool.
My headcanon is that whether Harry got Hogsmeade permission or not, the twins had either decided a while back that he should have the Map or it was a sympathy gift for him losing the Nimbus. I don't think they only gave it to him because he couldn't get out of the school.
Yeah they could have just told Harry about 1 of the passages, they didn't have to give the map just for that. There's definitely more to it.
I always thought that the twins gave the map to Harry because he’s a rule breaker like them and the marauders. Harry is always mixed up in chaotic happenings (troll, philosophers stone, flying the car to school, chamber of secrets) so he’d use the map for mischief as it was intended. So I agree, they’d give it to Harry whether he had permission or not, he’s the natural successor.
@@jessicataylor8445almost like the deathly hallows he is the true master of it and it finds his way back to marauders blood. The twins were the closest masters until Harry came back?
My headcanon is that they gave it to him partly because they appreciate the fact that he can tell them apart. As much as they love messing with people by mixing themselves up, it has to feel really good that someone (besides their family and presumably Lee) takes the trouble to see them as individuals, not just as a unit.
I heard someone else put it a different way--- In this moment, Harry has two big brothers.
He's family. They see him struggling and they want to help him have a good time. Sometimes, it can be that simple.
I think it needs to be acknowledged more that Oliver Wood and Percy Weasley are the same age/same year and therefore are likely roommates.
Oh. My.
I love the idea, they are actually best friends. But the type of best friends who drive each absolutely insane. But they bond of both having deep obsessions.
@@taylorhagen3916 I really want to imagine them driving each other insane for like the first couple of years. Just absolutely do not get each other in like a fundamental way and then they realize they're both insane in the same way just about different things and then they are fully friends.
1:42:18 I like to think Dumbledore had a port key or floo powder and Hagrid was like “eeeehhhhhhhhh I think the motorbike sounds more fun…”
“You’ll have Saturdays off already” *cries in shift work*
I work both Saturday and Sunday 😂😢
I literally was like, "not everybody works Monday-Friday 9-5 guys"
Same. Same. And same.
Something like 40% of Americans don't work typical 9-5 weekdays. Personally, I never have.
On the "Fred and George never bring up Peter Pettigrew" thing, I think it's much simpler than your theory about the Marauders. The duo tell Harry they don't need the map because they've memorized all the secrets, and you yourselves said that implies they don't use it to look for people. And even if they did, they'd be on the lookout for Filch or teachers, or something, not checking the Griffindor dormitories to see who's sleeping.
Yep, they probably checked the griffindor tower in their first days to check if there are any secrets, and later never bothered to look at it again because, I mean, why really? BUT I still think the theory that marauders can’t be seen on the map by random ppl is good. Both explanations work and it’s not like they contradict each other
A huge reason that Harry gets hit so hard by the Dementors is that he has two souls in him. That moment was bad for both Harry and Voldemort. For Harry, it was the night his parents died and he was cursed, for Voldemort, it was when his narcissistic butt was blasted to smithereens.
I've always interpreted Harry's excuse for not turning the map in ("then Filch would know who took it") as implying that Filch didn't even know it was missing (presumably he doesn't do an exhaustive search of his confiscated items drawer every night to check that everything is still there!)
I don't know where you got the notion that Malfoy is a popular student. If Lucious didn't get Nimbus 2001's for the whole team he wouldn't be on it, as far as we know he has never caught the snitch, and he has the fastest broom in the school until Harry gets his Firebolt. The only student's we see him hanging out with until the train ride to Hogwarts in HBP are Crabbe and Goyle, and sometimes he talks to Pansy. I suspect the reaction after Buckbeak attacked Malfoy was due more to house loyalty than being friends with Malfoy.
Agreed. DM is a wimp & a bully. Not becoming. Tho it is mentioned he’s a good student.
Draco gets people to wear the support Cedric Diggory/Potter stinks badges, he gets people to sing Weasley is our King, people appear to laugh with him as he mocks Harry. He needs to be somewhat popular for those things to become bigger than just his group of friends.
Lucius was a prefect. They don't usually give those to the unpopular kids.
@@coolnerdlll6053based on the Lucious we see, he was rich, powerful & a bully. Peeps will shy away from challenging, join in or be sycophants.
I always thought the passages were for the house elves to run errands for the school. But then that could be my Disney nerd coming out.
THANK YOU! Iam so grateful for this episode today. I got around 4 hours sleep last night due to pain, so two hours of Jay and Ben doorking out on Harry Potter was so helpful. Pain is still there but I had some better to focus on. This shows really saved my day.
1:28:39 maybe Hermione learned this spell in her first year after seeing Hagrid carry 12ft Christmas trees to the Great Hall. And every year after that she helps him 🤔 😅
Please please please keep doing the longer episodes. 2 hours? Those are rookie numbers! ❤ I will listen as long as you guys talk 😂
Also for the length of the Honeydukes walk…in Hogwarts Legacy it is a pretty significant walk to get to Hogsmeade. Also the students have to take a carriage ride from Hogsmeade Station denoting that it is actually a good distance from the school as well. I could believe it’s close to 4 miles from the school.
VeggieGamer has long discussions, too. As do I, but my health and other responsibilities makes it take months per chapter... Bibliobibuli is also great for long discussions. 🍻🪄
Guys, as much as I'd love the theory that the marauders are only visible to each other on the map to be true, Snape sees Lupin on the map at the end of this book when he brings him his wolfsbane potion and sees he left the map on his desk.
That can easily be explained, because Lupin opened the map not Snape
@@IdaSantti hm, maybe.
Matin is French for morning. So matinee basically means morning show, but since most theater events are in the evening, over time it's come to refer generally as any early show.
My thought about others not collapsing at the quidditch match is that the dementors came in from above and Harry was higher up than most of the people. So there were enough dementors to make others collapse, but they were driven off quickly while most of them were still fairly distant, but Harry got a much more direct encounter with them. I guess Cedric must be fairly resistant to the dementors, but that does seem reasonable from what we know of him.
In the book the Dementors don't fly around they just hover above the ground. So the audience is actually closer to the Dementors then the Quidditch players. The reason why no one else fainted could be that the audience had still so many posstive emotions in them from the game they also were among their friends so that could be the reason why they were not effected that much. Also we should not forget that the book is written from Harry's POV and at the moment the Dementors appear Harry has no time to pay much attention to his suroundings. We also know the vision is bad because of the rain. Since Malfoy is making fun of Harry for collapsing I wouldn't tell anyone if I passed out. So it could be some one else fainted and we just don't know.
1:36:30 I don't think that the Potters were under the Fidelius charm for a year. If they were, Lily wouldn't be writing to Sirius, she'd just talk to him the next time he visited. This suggests that the Potters were under some sort of protection that makes visiting a bit inconvenient. Not so inconvenient that Batilda Bagshod couldn't spend days with them, but enough that you don't just visit your isolated friends after work to chat for a few minutes. Lily's letter mentioning that James was under stress from not being able to leave the house may have prompted Sirius to talk to Dumbledore about the Invisibility Cloak, and have the latter suggest using the Fidelius Charm instead. The way the charm is described in this chapter, the secret seems to have been that "the Potters are hiding in Godric's Hollow" and not "the Potters' house can be found at 123 Fourth Street, Godric's Hollow." That secret would let them safely leave the house if they stayed in their town.
I think it is plausible that Dumbledore hired James to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts for the 1980-81 school year. Dumbledore would have needed the position filled anyway, and James couldn't have done much else for the Order under the circumstances. Having the Potters live at Hogwarts would also make it clear to Snape that Dumbledore was protecting Lily, encouraging him to keep spying for the Order. Then James quits when he finds out that Dumbledore hired Snape to teach Potions the next year. That would explain why the Potters weren't considering using the Fidelius Charm until summer or fall of 1981. And Dumbledore hiring Snape might have made James doubt his judgement right around that time, contributing to the decision to choose Sirius/Peter as Secret Keeper instead.
Neville tells Umb**ch during the care of magical creatures class where they are learning about thestrals that he saw his grandad die. When Harry reads Lily's letter in DH she says to Sirius that she understands that he couldn't come to Harry's birthday as he was doing something for the order, which should come first and in any case Harry wasn't old enough to understand that it was his birthday. So it wasn't because of the fidelius charm being in place.
Hagrid drinking a literal gallon of mead makes sense given his size. There’s all these stories about how much Andre the Giant could drink without getting drunk. It took six bottles of wine just to get him buzzed. Factor in Hagrid is actually part giant and I doubt that much mead would even affect him
I picture his pint of meat like the huge glasses of beer you can see at Octoberfest.
Four pints is a half gallon - which is still a lot to drink!
A yard of ale (which might just be a British thing) is 3 pints - but not usually the alcohol content of mead.
OOooOOO, Ginny giving music (love) to HP two years in a row … Good catch.
In the sports discussion, I'm surprised you didn't mention Quodpot, the American version of Quidditch where the Quod (Enchanted Quaffle) explodes if you don't get it into a special pot that stops it from blowing up. You get a point for each Quod put in it's pot, but if one explodes in a player's possession, they are eliminated from the game.
Oh my goodness, Ginny sends Harry music, and her parents both LOVE music together ❤️
Madam Rosmerta was already an adult when James, Sirius, Remus and Peter were in school. It is now AT LEAST 17 years later... Ron is into GILFS
Not necessarily. Molly was technically an adult when the Marauders were in school, after all (since Bill is about nine years older than Harry and Ron).
@@MulanBelle and McGonagall is described as having dark hair, not grey. Much more like Prof Hardbroom from Worst Witch, which JK basically plagiarized.... 😂 🍻
Woo 2hrs! I've got so many thoughts about this chapter and Fudge just spilling the beans to the whole pub?! Also glad to see Mike back he was a delight and added a lot to the dynamic last week! Looking forward to listening in!
The passage to Hogsmead is a secret passage, not a shortcut.
Could also Be that it is longer on purpose so that people would give up and not go all the way?
1:38:02 I’m deathly hallows, Arthur and Bill are each secret keepers for their own houses (or maybe Arthur is for aunty Myrial’s house can’t quite remember), but Bill is definitely his own secret keeper.
Me opening this episode and seeing the difference in how you guys are dressed: Are you living in the same state? 😅
j forces the staff to fan him from off-camera
I look like that when I go out with my friends 😂 it'll be warm out and I'm still all bundled up lol
They should make a whole series of these great wizards doing magnificent feats and at the end of each one a blonde wizard in lilac robes sneaks up from behind and obliviates them.
My headcannon is that the part of Voldemort’s soul in Harry reacts to the dementors, which is why Harry is so effected. He is experiencing two soul’s worth of depression. It is also why he can hear his mother; infants would not be able to hold onto those memories, but Voldemort may be reliving the moment of his death
imagine an anthology series of Gilderoy lockhart where he's basiclly like the bad guy of the episode you know an adventure is gonna happen and gilderoy is gonna slither his way to being the main character by the end of each episode O.O
That would be facinating but heartbreaking. I hope they go round and find all of them after Gilderoy falls and form a support/adventuring group.
You could probably make a fun series about a bunch of innocuous witches and wizards being brought together, maybe by someone mysterious who knows the truth. Then slowly they find out they were mind wiped and regain their memories and self conifdence about their unique skills and insights.
can i just.... Bens pause after "I love Wood!"
1:44:34 Plus, we already know Scabbers is WAY older than a normal rat. There's something very unusual about him.
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Ben is me. I too wanted an old piece of paper 😂
Saw a 2 hour episode and gave you a like even before the intro. Keep them coming! 🤩🤩
I assumed that Mundungus was one of Dumbledore’s spies. The book says that Albus got him out of serious trouble a while back and he feels loyalty towards Dumbledore.
Mundungus would probably have death eater associates who are also sneak thieves.
I had been listening on Spotify but man I love this set!
I would LOVE a "What If.......Ginny had been able to go on the quest with the Golden Trio?"
Yes, yes, I know she still has the Trace on her, but if they'd been able to figure out a way to remove it, or the quest happened one year later, then she'd have gone. Let's face it, they wouldn't have been able to stop her from coming.
We kinda know this from the fact that she wouldn't let her parents/the Order send her home before the Battle of Hogwarts, and when Harry needs the RoR, she just runs out of there, into the battle, already casting a spell as she literally runs off the page.
Just an idea, because I personally LOVE Book Ginny, and I feel that Bonnie Wright would've done Book Ginny justice if Film Ginny was written well, and was the bad-ass she was supposed to be. Because the VERY VERY TINY amount of Book "Accurate" Ginny, Bonnie did fantastically with, right from the line in Flourish and Blott's, warning Malfoy to leave Harry alone.
Anyone wanna chime in, please do 😊⚡
My reading comprehension wasn't the greatest when Harry Potter was coming out so I've only seen the movies and have only just started reading the books so I was just wondering does it explain how the trace works in detail in the books for example do you know where the witch/wizard is constantly or do you only know where they are when they use magic if it's the second one then that would be a great way for your what if storyline to work:
Ginny convinces the trio to let her go Hermione only allows it IF Ginny learns muggle self defense tactics to use instead of magic so while Hermione works on a spell to stop their magic being traced due to being near Ginny she learns martial arts until at one moment on their journey Ginny has no other option but to use her magic which then allows them to get captured the some point after that she then uses muggle techniques to defeat one/more of the death eaters which will show that just because it's muggle doesn't mean it can't help the wizarding world
I don’t really see how they could get rid of the trace, seems beyond abilities of any particular person, especially outside of the ministry. If there was anyone they would have removed the trace for it would have been harry, while srimgeour was still alive and tried to help.
Would have to be a one year later scenario.
@@mb-sb5ever I think the Trace is automatically lifted up on turning 17. I know they imply that it might not have been lifted on Harry prior to them knowing the taboo on Voldy's name, but I don't think it possible.
@@wrdreads4742 oh I know that part as they mentioned it in the movies I was just thinking about when Dobby used magic around harry and the trace thought it was harry and since as Hermione is super smart she might be able to shield this side effect or something in this what if scenario
@@marcinz.3570 also I dont see how they could postpone it for a year since as it was a time sensitive mission
35:58 In the fanfic ‘All The Young Dudes’ Davey Gudgeon is actually referenced but is represented as a Hufflepuff 😄
Draco’s parents are rich and his father is powerful. Many may go along with DM’s nonsense for self preservation or for personal gain, a sycophant.
Idk how HBO is going to do the first episode of the new series but the first chapter and ALL the background stuff we get of those couple days.
Godric’s Hollow and James and Lily putting Harry to bed only for Voldemort to attack… Hagrid picking up Harry, Sirius and Peter dueling on a Muggle Street, the wizards celebrating and the Muggle News mentioning its early for Guy Fawkes celebrations, intercut with scenes of the Dursley’s.
Leave out all the crucial information we need later, but giving just enough to introduce you to the two totally different worlds in this universe would be EPIC!
For it to end with Harry being dropped off at Privet Drive.
Think of that series premiere.
And Vernon at work! 😂
@@wrdreads4742 his interactions with wizards in their bizarre clothes would be comedy gold!
@@silasreade "why, that man had to be older than he was, and in an emerald green cloak, the nerve of him!" 😅 Slytherin....
I’ve never truly appreciated the intro sequence until now for some reason, shouts to whoever made that
The biggest issue with this book is that there is absolutely NO way that not one person knew Peter was the Secret Keeper. Dumbledore and Bathilda for sure, and Sirius having a letter from Lily that mentions PETER being over... Like.. it's insane to think no one knew.
I always understood it that way that Sirius and Peter switched very recently and it was part of the ruse not to tell even Dumbledor.
@@sawanna508 you're correct. Except that Dumbledore, Bathilda Bagshot, AND Peter Pettigrew all visited the Potter house. Peter was the secret keeper, but Dumbledore and Bathilda couldn't have visited unless Peter had told them where the Potters were. Even if it was by a note, I'm positive that as head of the Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore would be familiar with everyone's handwriting if they were in the Order as well.
It’s definitely a plot hole but I’ve headcanoned for years that Sirius WAS secret keeper for most of the time, and at the last second got nervous and convinced them to actively change the spell to switch secret keepers. So yeah, I basically think the charm requires a caster and a keeper, they can’t be the same person, and becoming keeper is life-threatening (if it’s not cast right) and painful which is why ppl don’t use this charm very often, so Dumbledore was the caster and Sirius was the keeper but then when they switched, Sirius was caster and Peter was keeper. That way, before the switch Sirius could’ve told Dumbledore, Bathilda, and Peter the secret so they could visit, and after only Peter and Sirius could but no one else would’ve tried bc it all happened so quickly.
IMO the reason Sirius was even worried is bc the charm would only count something as coercion in the short term (basically if you’re able to calm down, the low level stress of war/ppl you love being in danger wouldn’t count) so if he was forced to choose between protecting the Potter’s or someone else he loved (in this case I’m assuming Remus for Wolfstar reasons, and also bc damn near everyone else he cares about is dead or part of the Fidelius charm shenanigans at this point) and was given an extended period of time to sit with that knowledge and choose, the charm wouldn’t prevent it bc it would consider that an informed decision. Basically the same thing for Peter isn’t it? If he only told bc he knew Voldemort would kill him if he didn’t, then the spell clearly doesn’t consider that kind of stress coercion. Unless Peter had said no and Voldemort directly threatened his life it’s just him choosing his own life over theirs. Or I mean, you could assume that Peter just wanted them dead but given the fact that Lily says he seems sad about all the deaths happening in her letter, I doubt that.
The reason why the dementors affect Harry worse Is because he Isn't technically visiting his own worst memory (All though his Is the same) As a baby wouldn't be able to remember such detail. (The reason why Neville Isn't affected as badly)
He's experiencing Voldemort's most traumatic memory In detail. Harry has a piece of Voldemort's soul Inside of him, and I think the dementors affecting him so, sets the stage for later things, like seeing Voldemort In his dreams In book 4, seeing the attack on Mr.Weasley book 5, and seeing/feeling Voldemorts thoughts and emotions In book 7
Ppppretty obvious! Weird they missed this important detail...
First, I read this chapter again last night, and i thought it'd be obvious that Lupin gives in to Harry here because from Lupin's perspective, he's seeing his friend James' son in trouble and feels an obligation to help him because he couldn't help James.
Secondly, Fudge says "You-know-who alone and friendless is one thing, but give him back his biggest supporter". As of this chapter, he's aware Voldemort is alive, and by the end of the next book he 180's. What's up with that, if not the Imperius Curse?
I never realized that he said that! 😂 I think that shows how bad of a leader he is 😅
@@emiyae.6999 for sure lol. I definitely commented too soon, but at least I'm not crazy. Probably.
Fudge can accept in the abstract that Voldemort is still alive and could possibly return. He just can't accept it really happening, because it scares him and he doesn't want to admit that all those years of peace is over.
I’ve read Lupin’s being a werwolf as an analogy for HIV and so read Hermione not telling anyone as her being so freaking cool and choosing not to “out” Lupin. It was part of why I loved her so much.
I never caught that allegory, but hot diggity, that makes so much sense.
I always saw it as her seeing how mudbloods had been treated just the year before and knowing the pain of being hated for something beyond your control, her for just her birth and werewolves for being the victims of horrible attacks. Today we would never think about attacking a survivor of a horribly violent crime, but only a few decades ago that was common practice. Our “justice system” in the past was not so different from the ministry.
Yeah, it definitely always read as Hermione deciding it wasn't her place to tell anyone else his business. Especially towards the end when she thinks he's siding with Sirius she says something like "I trusted you, I didn't tell anyone you were a werewolf"--she wanted to respect his privacy because she's cool like that
@@Cailus3542 Thank you! It isn’t a perfect analogy but It makes sense.
@@MythStarFire same vibe for sure. It was cool as hell of her not to out Lupin and her experience as another marginalized group 100% played a roll in her choice.
About the broom beyond repair. The repair charme might not be able to fix something if to many pieces are missing. If I imagine the pristles of the broom broken into smaller twigs and splinters it must be very difficult to finde them all even with a summoning spell especially with twigs from the womping willow around as well. A glass or a jar of china breaks differently then wood.
J, is it fair to say the mustache is just staying at this point? Tell me it's staying.
Thanks For this Guys! This podcast is awesome ❤❤❤❤
I saw this on my suggested page and I immediately clicked on it, I love these episodes and find them so entertaining, I can't wait for their opinions on the later books!
Harry's walk reminds me of my time in Italy. No car, so I had to walk everywhere, and I often visited cathedrals which I climbed to the top of.
The way they talk about getting the butter beer just reminds me that I did not get a cup when I was in the Wizarding world. 😂😂😂
I always thought it was a story trope that the main character can sense something behind their back.
I always thought Neville witnessed the death of his grandfather that's why he can see thestivals
That's what he says in Order of the Phoenix.
I always thought you said in the chapter when they were going against the Bogart
yall are also on a ROLL of just cozzzzzzzy episodes sheeeeesh bedtime playlist here we go
These are soooooo perfect for falling asleep to! Cozy is the exact vibe
Harry passed out because he doesn't have many good memories, not because he has bad
You guys (w/ your staff and families) need to do a theatrical reading of the books! One of you narrate and the other voices Harry. You guys would rock that project. 😃
You have horrors in your past the other students can’t imagine is the bigest thing to make me question the whole he was a baby so the thestrals don’t count for his parents since he hears the very descriptive explanation of how they died. He literally says to lupin I hear voldemort murder my mom. He hears the screams, james trying to buy them time, voldemort telling her to step back, and then her screams and you’re telling me all of that doesn’t make him see the thestrals?
We always got Shirley temples when we were going out to any fine dinner place growing up as kids.
I went to the Harry Potter store in New York last year (it’s amazing by the way for anyone who hasn’t gone there yet)
Got myself a dark chocolate chocolate frog. I was also headed back home that day so my silly butt decided to try and eat it on the subway ride back to the hotel because I didn’t know if I’d be able to get it through security at the airport. I probably could have and then just eaten it on the plane. Ended up throwing it away cuz it was melting and I didn’t have a bag or anything to put it in.
Edit to add: How influential is Lucious Malfoy?
Well he's got Fudge so deep in his pocket he doesn't need to use the Imperious Curse on him to control him after Voldemort's return
Omg I had that watching the Olympics experience happen when watching the mens’ 4x100 relay. I know nothing about it but watching the slowed down first handoff of the baton by the US team I could just tell it was botched
And then the ladies in the 4x400 just cooked.
Hey Brother.~ So, the whole Hagrid missing for a day thing. I always figured Dumbledore gave Hagrid orders to ride around with Harry for a day or something after rescuing him from the cottage, as a way to make any counter attacks from DeathEaters less likely. I forget which book its mentioned, but Dumbledore I believe admits at some point that he was concerned the DeathEaters would go after Harry once it was confirmed that Voldemort was missing. Thus, Hagrid is ordered to go into hiding for a day while Dumbledore gets things ready for Harry to live at Privite Drive.
EXACTLY how I imagine it. I like to think Hagrid got Harry a cheeseburger that day, too ❤
The reason Harry is the only one who passes out could be because the dementors are pulling his memory out of his subconscious. Even though others had also terrible memories they were able to process it. Also Harry doesn't generally pass out due to dementors. Only in this book
I don't think that Harry hears "Voldemorts worst memory" because in OotP his current worst memory is Voldemort telling Harry to bow to his death
The best part about rereading the books was to pick up on all the foreshadowing! I saw absolutely none of it the first time through. BTW four pints is 1/2 gallon--Yep that's a LOT of mead
A: four pints is half a gallon
B: Fudge rolled a nat 1 on his Perception check 🤣
I hand carved my own elderwand this week. It's such a fun lil shape to work on.
You are correct. Odds are other students passed out. They just do not get the focus.
And I remember in book 5, a lot of students got into the lime light when other students realized that they had family members killed by Voldemort, et al. One of the best lines from that book is when one of the students goes to Harry and asks him how he deals with the attention.
A pint is exactly half a quart, aka a quarter gallon, so Hagrid is ordering a half gallon of mead or a little less than 2 liters for our metric fans. Standard wine bottles are .75 liters. In my experience mead is usually between 10 and 15% alcohol (although it can vary pretty widely) which is like a very strong beer, or a little less than most wine so by my rough calculation Hagrid is drinking between 1 and 2 bottles of wine worth of alcohol.
Its also the equivalent of a 2 liter of soda plus a can of soda
1:37:26 I’m pretty sure Sirius can visit the Potter while they are in hiding. In think it says in Lily’s letter that it’s sad Sirius couldn’t be at Harry’s birthday, but that the order has to come first, so I just think he was unfortunately on a mission at that point.
It would also make no sense if only Peter could visit them, because then everyone would know he was the secret keeper and the whole plot of this book revolves around the reveal that Peter was the secret keeper and not Sirius, but if Sirius couldn’t visit them, then that would just have been a well known fact within the Order.
I always imagine the quaffel isn't effected by gravity.
I read these books in my late 20’s-early 30’s. I’m the kind of person who reads books and watches movies like a hawk so I’m usually pretty quick to figure things out. I drive my husband nuts. 😂 Y’all keep talking about how you can tie things together to figure out the map, etc. I HAD NO CLUE! 😂😂😂 Because magic!, this entire series kept me in the dark. I couldn’t get enough of it! It was great to be so surprised and just have things unfold at JKR’s intended pace. 🥰
I love this series, my inner child is happy so much
If you're still wondering where "Matinée" comes from in theatre it has a pretty interesting History. It comes from the French word for "morning". But nowadays in theatre it often means afternoon (more generally an early showing of a play or other spectacle). To understand why the weirdness, a couple of things have to be understood. In the early days of theatre, plays were often played in the light of day, it was easier and cheaper than trying to do them by candle light. The other thing to note was that meals in France were originally named "déjeuner" (literally un-fasting, or breakfast), dîner (lunch), souper (supper). Plays tended to be before the dîner in the late morning. However as time went by for some strange cultural reasons meals starting slipping down further into the day until a new meal had to be invented in the morning, the "petit déjeuner" (little un-fasting) became the morning meal, the déjeuner became the noon meal, dîner became the usual name for the last meal of the day. In that time, the time for watching plays remained more associated with the idea of "a show before the dîner meal" than the actual period of the day thus the time for plays also slipped later and later in the day to become the afternoon, but the name stayed as matinée. Now matinée is essentially a show earlier in the day, especially if there's another one later in the evening or even at night, sometimes it's even in the morning.
As an added note the old last meal of the day "souper" is still sometimes used interchangeably with the word "dîner" although it's old fashioned, but in the world of theatre, if you go to a late night show and you (or often the performers) seek out a meal afterwards late at night when it's too late for regular "dîner" that is still called the "souper".
Scene: Backstage at a Through the GryffinTour show
“Ben, did you bring your copy of Goblet of Fire?” J asked calmly.
The next episode is being uploaded on my birthday!
My wife walked by while I was listening to this. She said you guys sound like Markiplier (Ben) and his friend Bob (Jon). Now I can't unhear it.😂
the way the map was made for the movies was, in my opinion, was what I always pictured the map to look like.
Harry doesn't remember his parents dying when the dementors affect him. His Horcrux remembers dying! In DH, we see the full memory, and it's not Harry's it's Voldy's. No one else has ever died, so they don't pass out.
Maybe the dementors affect Harry more at the quidditch pitch because maybe they decided to go after him and their focused energy was directed at him and lessened for others.
I’m glad that we’re doing this read through, because I think I that some characters, like Draco, have developed a sympathetic fanbase over the years.
It’s true that Draco was influenced by his upbringing, but there a levels of vindictive pleasure that Draco gets out of doing terrible things to people that have nothing to do with blood purity.
Let’s face it, he was a jerk for the entire story.
Not enough people bring up how racist he is towards Hermione, something that never gets resolved.
@@coolnerdlll6053or even what a jerk he is to his best friends who happen to be pure bloods.
@@Zeke_O3773 To be fair, Tom Felton's improvised "I didn't know you could read" is amazing.
The problem is that at this point Draco is a one note caricature instead of a fully realized character. Draco becomes fleshed out a bit later on and has at least some realistic depth, but not this early. He is archetypal of bullies, who constantly say the vilest things unendingly
@@PcCAvioN But there are people like that at highschool why shouldn't there be one in Hogwarts.
I think Hermione wouldn't tell Harry or Ron because the grimm could also look like a werewolf, and that would only prove Trelawney right.
1:17:02 So what you're saying is... It's the cards you really want!? 😂
How could you, in the review question, not have mentioned Dumbledore's love of ten-pin bowling?!? It was right there next to Nicholas Flemel! 😂
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A 2 liter soda is 3.5 pints so its roughly the big bottle of soda plus a can of soda.
I'm sorry to say this, but Marauders can be seen by Non-Marauders. Snape catches up to them in the Shrieking Shack because he sees Lupin on the Map.
But he sees the map as Lupin because Lupin didn't close the map and the map has no way to know who is looking at it.
@@sawanna508 that's a good point, and very plausible.... But there's more than a few things that have conditions on being visible. Room of requirement, thestrals, etc. I kinda assumed that it didn't matter if a Marauder opened the map or not, you still had to BE a Marauder or have the blood of one to see another one on the Map.
Ben that dementor merch idea can be done in lots of ways, any creative thorized way harry would have hit the demetor boggart with ridiculus
"Spare bit of old parchment." The movie had the Map as a _few_ bits of old parchment. 🙂
1:38:20 I heard one of the locals around here say, "Godparents aren't all about birthdays and Christmas presents." Usually a person will think it's ceremonial. However, it started out being an extremely important role in the child's life - a model of how to live a just life and be the parent in the case of both parents having tragedy get them.
mcgonigal is friends with dumbledor, later hagrid kisses her cheek and makes her blush. i think they're friends. also, i assumed that fudge joined the three of them lol