The Best Footwork for Landing Kicks!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- @SenseiSeth and I discuss the pros and cons of pendulum stepping versus sliding footwork to land kicks in kickboxing and MMA.
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Question for Viewers: Pendulum vs. Sliding footwork?
Barefroot pendulum, with shoes it is better to slide
Sliding if I’m going for oomph, Pendulum if I’m standing farther away or the dude keeps running off on me 🤣🤣
As with the front and sidekick i think they are good at Different things depending on Circumstances
I've got to say, if there is a single youtuber I'll listen to over every other, it's Gabriel Varga. So Switch kick is my final answer. haha !
try getting hot mid pendulum and stay on your feet . slide all the way
If your weight is on your front leg, pendulum.
If your weight is on your back leg, slide.
But either way... "stfu." 😶
Wait this actually makes the most sense…🤯
Either way, the switch kick wins.
Stop riding the fence and pick a side!
These are defenitions of the techniques not conditions for their application.
The idea of Gabriel Varga humoring this for like 30 minutes is hilarious
That's the real punchline... sad so few of us will appreciate it.
@@hard2hurt thanks for the videos mate, these are all a huge amount of fun to watch.
It's up there with Jesse Enkamp humoring side kick vs front kick lmao
😁
Gabriel Varga? You gotta be kidding xD can't wait to see what craziness you guys have in store for the next video
“It’s great to get points” said the karate practitioner 🌚
Yeah i mean i thought that was the point?
@hard2hurt lol I use this in my karate tournaments the pendulum kick so
I love how Varga came out at the end and shut you two down.
theres no argueing with a world champion when you just teach self defense
It's what he does. ;-)
9:25 Holy crap, all the mad lads are there. The sheer density of martial arts nerdyness in that room must be cuttable with a tactical whip. 😍
Yeah, they're pretty dense. ;-)
@@jamielondon6436 Well played. I lol'd.
@@Ingeb91 *tips hat* ;-)
Seth and Mike are my favorite old married couple 🤣
"Hardly disagree" cracked me up.
I think Seth meant to say "heartily" or maybe "wholeheartedly."
Great content as always from both of you.
Thank you.
Yep I came to say this, "heartily" but Seth didn't enunciate it
Lol what's funny is the current definition of hardly is the polar opposite of the original meaning.
He strenuously objects!
Strongly disagree. That'd be a decent way of putting it.
Gabriel Varga is too much of a class act for Mike's shenanigans 😂 Love all of you, incredible collab
I hope that ending teases some more collabs, I'm subbed almost to all of them lmao.
You have no idea
@@hard2hurt man, we had NO idea!
wow almost all the TH-cam martial arts content creators I subscribe in one place. you and sensei Seth are like the Tony Stark / Nick Fury of this gig. I hope an inter-channel collaboration is in the works, that would be epic.
Awesome! Love collabs! Great to see Gabriel Varga at the end!! How about doing a sliding kick entry then a pendulum to exit? I think that’s the fastest option. Oh, and I’d prefer if the video zoomed out a bit so we could see the footwork better. Thanks!!
Buakaw dominated kickboxing with the pendulum step for his switch kick
Didn’t he load up the switch kick by squaring up his feet ?
There's no shame in being owned by a world champ. Even in your own video.
Honestly, I'm laughing *with* you right now! :-D
Yeah i mean wtf am i gonna say?
@@hard2hurt "YES, SENSEI!"
...just here to give Mike his flowers, really changed the martial arts TH-cam meta...
Changed it? We are creating it! Thank you for being a part of it.
The Gabriel Varga cameo at the end made me lose my shit
I love a good random ending
That's terrible, did you find your shit?
Seeing Gabriel Varga just appear out of nowhere killed me, something about just knowing he was sitting there, watching this for 10 minutes 🤣
Oh my God. This channel is perfect! I'm so glad I found this last week.
Perfect mixture between MARTIAL ARTS VS. BROS
Welcome to the squad, homie. You've got some catching up to do.
@@hard2hurt May the binging begin!
4:20 "My life flashed before my eyes and it turns out my whole life is a lot like Seth's foot."
I think they’re for different things. I use the slide for power and forward movement, especially with straight attacks. I tend to use the pendulum for rhythm stuff and testing the waters. I like the switch for angle changes. But these discussions are great
Very interesting to see two extremes of body types here. Though I do like the pendulum step, because of my fencing background prior to martial arts, I find a lot of uses in the shuffle. For me it doesn't have to cover more distance and be powerful because I have the muscles trained up to make small and fast shuffles.
Also, I'm about average height and size, so in terms of body type I split the difference between Mike and Seth, so I guess for medium sized people they can swing either way.
Like a pendulum.
Or someone who’s bi curious
That "Shut the Fuck Up" is so hilarious 😂😂
Personally, I am with Mike because I use the pendulum for a fast liver kick, you don't really need much power just speed. Also, nice seeing Gabriel joining the mix, awesome stuff
Pendulum gang 🦵
Of course you are
It was not a pendulum step at 2:05
I'm glad I watched till the end. The reveal was hilarious 🤣
This reminds me of when I took ninjutsu and we had to do every striking technique/kata from standing feet shoulder width apart weight on the front balls of feet(slide a piece of paper under your heel). It always felt awkward but after years of it and trying other martial arts I reliesed my foot work benefited greatly..I notice I didn't take little check steps before moving like my other counter parts learning and the more experienced practitioner's/teachers noticed my foot work as well.
“That’s not right! *smacks Seth* come on tell him” got me! 😂😂😂😂
This is like the martial arts version of an avengers end credits scene wtf I did not expect that
This is literally every argument I had with my friends in high school about karate. I love it.
Can't wait for the biggest collabs ever! I rewatched the ending 6 times over
Looks like you had all the TH-camrs there
Sliding leads to side kicks. Which don't work. Automatically makes pendulum step better.
Easter egg/something you would only catch on a rewatach - at 6:15 mike says "we pepperballed everyᵇᵒᵈʸ"
He knew he messed up there lol
WAIT WHAT, what is Gabriel doing there???
Slumming it with the bad kids.
@@hard2hurt someone finally bout to show him how to train fo' da streets!
The Avengers of martial arts youtube!
I'm basically Nick Fury
@@hard2hurt Actually you're Tony Stark - because he never shuts up, either. ;-)
(and is the smartest person in the room)
I like Shane's answer! These guys should ask Michael Jai White!
Hey Mighty Mouse just uploaded a video of him reviewing street beefs fights on his gaming channel and gave you a ton of compliments on your fight Mike
I feel the pendulum step is a very fast JKD centric attack. The groin is the primary target with a front kick.
Sensei seth hates pendulum step because he's been watching coach barry robinson a bit too much lately
Any amount is too much for me lol
Been looking through here for the Barry robinson comment lol.
Mike: speed is key. I am ok shifting my center of balance for more speed
Seth: why not be fast while maintaining your center of balance?
Great ending by Shane Fazen
I've been doing TKD and muay thai for 10 years and my opinion is.........
Yes.
Seth's expression at 2:33 is everything.
Super interesting seeing this conversation because it's literally the opposite of the way I see it. I practice ITF taekwondo and we have both, point sparring (which is okay to hit with decent power, just not excessive power, so kicks still hurt) and power breaking, which is a modality where you have all the time in the world to set up a kick and winner is the one who has the strongest kick.
We always use a pendulum style step for the power breaking, more of a step since we're not going for speed but just max power. At the same time, we never do it in sparring because it's too slow and telegraphed so it basically never hits.
The slide, or lift and shift, as Van Roon calls it, is faster if you consider the amount of time the opponent has to react, since it takes longer to realize you started moving.
Also, on the pendulum, there is a good chance that you will get hit with both feet together, which is a certain knock down, while on the slide, lifting your leg before approaching actually uses the kicking leg as a protection, the higher leg approaching also protects the kick from getting jammed.
In terms of power, I disagree with Seth on this one. When you slide, your hips are on full extension before impact, you use the hip to move forward, so you can't add much of the hip into the kick since it's already far in front of your supporting leg. When you pendulum, your hip comes with the leg, so when you kick you can still throw it forward since your weight is above your supporting leg, instead of already falling forward.
Also, pendulum is definitely easier to get back into position, slide has a higher commitment if you do it with decent power.
Honestly I don't see why you should choose. I think I use all of these in sparring (pendulum, switch, slide) depending on where my balance/weight is, and what my opponent is doing. Although I probably use the pendulum a bit more than the other two.
Who cares about kicks let’s see Mike vs Seth sumo match already
I literally just did the pendulum step when Seth was all "see? See? My head moves with my body" I kept my head back. You don't have to tilt your head forward 😂 (no disrespect sensei Seth, love your vids)
No exaggeration, that ending might've been one of the funniest things on this channel.
This is like avengers end game but with the martial art youtubers
how the hell do you do the slide? last time i tried that on a bag I fell over on my ass; is there a trick to it?
Very cool as I saw this being made in person and to see the final product is very cool.
Fuck points. Self defense matters most of all.
lol 😂 I like the back and forth. I love the pendulum step as well. Sorry Seth, I’m with Mike on this one but… you have opened my eyes to the slide, and I’m totally stealing that move and adding it to my sparring.
This really seems like a TMA vs MMA debate. TMAs will teach one set of footwork that you can use in multiple situations (self defense, sport, etc) and MMA (if taught honestly) is going to have one situation in which it is used, the sport
Gotta say I agree with seth on this one! I also use the slide more but I started out using the pendulum step as a beginner. Also wanna mention that it must be so frustrated trying to win an argument with icy mike🤣
Thanks for the content! We appreciate it
wow... all those people were there the whole time!?! lol
lol was that shane fazen that said stfu?
Yep. :-)
Pendulum works.......Dmitri Bivol in boxing. The best fighter in the world.
Worse than the sliding step? TRYING TO USE A COLLAPSIBLE BATON IN A FIGHT!
(what idiot would do that, right, Mike?)
love watching you two banter about shit that doesn't matter. It's about the right tool at the right time. Same with the side step cross over step. Whatever you want to call it. Each has it's place and each is a valuable tool for the box, whether it's gaining distance , closing distance working with in the distance you have, one is not better than the other only better suited for different circumstances .
Wise words
overall which is better for closing the distance in general ? pendulum or slide? (im a short guy 5 foot 4)
🤣I love when you guys do this, keep these types of videos coming! (Seth is doing that thing where you think you might be wrong and you're trying to make it makes sense mid sentence) love you guys🤣🤣🤣!!!
I like both versions btw lol
only if you're planning on a drawn out fight, like a points match. Otherwise not powerful enough
A tkd guy who's done kickboxing and MMA, for me it's about range. The "problem" with the pendulum step is there's a moment where your feet come together and if you get hit then, you're in trouble, which is why I'll make sure I'm out of my opponent's range when I do that part because the pendulum step allows you to cover quite a bit of ground. On the other hand the slide is great when you just need to cover a little bit of distance because it is super quick, and it has the benefit of being safer at closer range without that feet together footwork.
Same for me as well and in the same order haha. I actually picked up pendulum kicks from Bruce and jkd. I remember getting read and swept a lot learning to manage that distance and using better setups and timing to reduce that risk.
@@belikewater420 I disagree with you... its for the 1 or 2 free points. Its almost always guaranteed to land once and if you make it look like you are about punch first you can land it a 2nd or even 3rd time.
@@xxgunslingerxx what do you disagree with? How I learned timing and setup to avoid getting countered? You literally then say it's about setting it up?
I love how often this comes up when you two are in the same video. I will say that the whole frame of "which is better" is needlessly binary, but it feels like you're pretty self-aware in that regard, haha. Both of these things have their time and place.
Beyond that, there was some mention of how different builds can impact these things, but probably not nearly as much emphasis as is warranted. Sensei Seth is pretty darn tall and has very long legs. He's also practiced A LOT of kicking and is pretty athletic. That makes a huge difference.
If we're comparing time/investment in learning these two different types of footwork and to perform them correctly and safely - pendulum I think is obviously a clear winner. It's a fairly simple movement and transitions your weight over an single approx. point. It feels relatively natural and allows you to smoothly clear space forward, backward, or out-and-back (more on this shortly). This type of footwork also shows up in other athletic activities, too, like basketball and football. So a new student is more likely to be familiar to some degree.
The slide requires you stay balanced on the same foot for much longer and maintain that balance while using hip extension and whatnot to basically hop 'n pop that kick out farther. That requires more coordination and I think is more likely to result in folks at low or mid tier skill levels slipping and falling. I also don't think I've ever seen this performed where I was convinced it wasn't producing less rather than more power unless you're at a high level of skill - precisely b/c you spend so much time on a single foot hopping about.
Watch new folks do the slide. Then watch them pendulum, I guarantee you they'll understand and perform the latter more effectively. Sure, if you're advanced, and have strong, long legs and great balance, you'll be able to do this slide effectively. That's not most people.
Additionally, the pendulum is for more than just throwing a kick and getting in/out. It can be used to create or clear a substantive amount of distance in a short time in a linear direction. Lean that weight in the direction you want to go and swoosh. You'll find yourself doing a pendulum type footwork all the time when controlling distance or moving around during sparring. It's a skill you use elsewhere, so using it again for kicking allows you to take advantage of something you're getting reps in already.
I think we discount people who do the pendulum to "cheat" for high kicks unnecessarily. Again, low to mid skill-level fighters can use this technique to accomplish something they otherwise couldn't. Should they shore up that flexibilty and form? Sure! But that takes time and effort and conditioning. And throwing up a high kick with the pendulum, even poorly, isn't terribly risky or problematic. Its also certainly "powerful enough" for most people of the same skill level.
Idk, seems like a weird fixation, haha. But I gotta say, the switch kick for either a front or rear kick is great though with lots of variations that can be used to throw off timing and clear some distance. Varga isn't totes off base, haha (as you might imagine for someone of his skill level!). I don't' think it's as simple as inherently "better" than sliding or pendulum, but ooooh boi do I absolutely love switch kicks. Easy to learn, train, applicable to virtually all skill levels. Tasty!
Holy shit, that reveal at the end, so many brilliant fighting minds in one gym!? Insanity, can't wait to see the tons of videos on everyone's channels that come from this.
It's a matter of where your centre of gravity is. Seth is not only taller but has relatively longer legs (compared to his torso) so the pendulum is less centred for him. I have the same issue and I prefer the slide. It means we have to commit more when doing a pendulum and lose the retreat speed
Indeed. I'm taller than Mike but probably still shorter than Seth. I really wanna learn the slide though but I am struggling. The pendulum step makes it too easy.
Pendulum step can be useful when confusing the opponent with footwork hiding the step, the slide step can cover more distance.
This conversation made my night. 🤣🤣🤣 "Stfu" 🤣🤣🤣
Starting to feel like an Avengers movie.
Pendulum for the D'Amato shift, kicking the groin, kicking at angles, kicking right after you lean into your jab and the opponent retreats, and retreating jabs. Sliding for quick power.
Pendulum is superior.
Period.
The karate system has validity...
But in terms of general application the pendulum is best. Period
If you add the Slide with Pendulum but fully commit to the Kick through, you get a very long range Roundhouse Kick.
Lol holy shit with Kevin Lee, Gabriel Varga, and Shane, get precision striking he has best boxing. Where’s Jeff Chan?
Also hooooly shit that was the most badass "stfu" ever 🤣. Philly boy Shane coming out!
Mike is 100% right. Seth is 100% wrong.
The slide is good for one thing -- a lead leg side kick from a bladed stance. The pendulum step has so many more uses.
Is this a reupload or am I suffering from the Mandela effect? I feel very sure that I watch this video a long while ago.
Hey Mike, Demetrious Johnson just uploaded a reaction to some street beef fights including yours. You might wanna watch it and show Seth how the goat himself praises your fighting skill.
Switch cross to pendulum kick all day!
Sliding teep is cool too tho...
Pendulum step a fancy name for doing a skip step? 👀 cant remember if thats what we called it as kids or not. Well when i was a kid, im 39. 🤷♂️
i think the slide off the front foot for a roundhouse is king. If you can twist your ankle, and at the same time go forwards, it elongates the kick so much and hit, allowing you to cover distance. I think the pendulum step is great for disruption and scoring points, OR setting u traps later. But if I had to pick one, I'd say slide. Sorry Icy MIKE hahahah
XD this video is great. I was caught off guard at the end when Shane said "Shut the F*** up".
“There’s such a thing as powerful enough” 100% agree. You don’t have to throw everything into a punch or kick in the street… 90% of the time. As long as you keep your opponents respecting “powerful enough”, a full power shot that ends the fight will turn their whole world view on its head.
I think the slide relies more on being on the bladed stance like Seth uses, but you don't necessarily need to be in that stance for the pendulum
For me, being a 6'2 guy and not trained in karate like Seth, I don't prefer kicking higher than my waist, so pendulum works for me...
I'm so jealous of Seth's hip dexterity.
Shane proving once again why he's the OG of TH-cam fighters lmao
I get that you guys are playing up the argument for the video but, for real, I don't see these two techniques as truly comparable. Different goal and use cases for each, keep both in the quiver. Unless Gabriel Varga says no.
Pendulum step for lead roundhouse. Slide step for lead side kick...if only those worked. Also the lead low kick loads up a nasty right cross.
Always love to see ur videos. I personally use the pendulum step.
GABRIEL!!! hahahaha my man!!!!!! didnt even know switch was a choice!!
I personally dislike both approaches. But my way is to be ambidextrous and to just walk into your kick. It's safest for not only your joints but for the spine as well. Not too much counter rotation. Also allows to generate most power with least effort. Just let yourself go. But this technique is more committed off course. Not good for points scoring. It's for braking your opponent in half.
Seth showed amazing ki-power on his self defence move at 05:59. When you are arguing with an ass, distract them and move out of the harms way.
No really, that shit works. Try it.
Mike: *making a good point*
Seth: Is there pepper spray in my armpit??
He tried to distract me.
fighting is just a presence of mind and Luck only, whoever maybe you are.
You can take the man out of Philly, but you can never take the Philly out of the man.
He plays a nice guy well... but he's a hooligan at heart.
Why not both? do 2 pendulums then a slide and you will be able to sneak in 2 more slides and a pendulum. Instead of having your sparring partner getting wise to your tricks as quickly
That's some real good taekwondo cowboy 😉
No shade, I use and teach this for world competitors.
All I’m going to say is coach Barry Robison and the rhythm step
Seth uses bullshit arguments. Saying first he is moving his full body mass, but then says he can be as fast as with pendulum. So you say you can move your full body mass as fast as moving only leg's mass? I don't think so.
Roy Jones shouldn't fight with his hands down.but he does and it works.Seth probably shouldn't step the unsafe way but he is less likely to get injured do to his experience and his body adapting to time under tension but if he where to step the way mike is showing even if he stepped wrong or made a mistake it further lessens the likely hood of injury.If you know your body and your limitations that's what matters