Thanks to the 'gooseneck' tone arm its so simple to add elastic, a spring, or even a counterweight. Think they're a bit ambitious expecting such playing time out of such a small spring, though have just managed to play a 12" disc from a similar motor. Judging by the space within, I'd guess a double spring option would have been available. As for drag, I experienced this with some Durium records. A little furniture polish soon remedied this, but am always wary of the long term effects of lubricants. One collector (the late EMG Colonel) always applied candle wax to his discs. Would imagine its solvent free nature to be safe. Cleaning can also reduce drag caused by dirt.
I think the motor was probably rated for one 12" record when it was new. It's surprising that such a small spring would ever have played a whole record of any size! 😅. I haven't tried wax, but I do remember the EMG Colonel using it, and it certainly seemed effective for him 🤔. Probably try a counterweight next as it will be easier to calibrate. It will be interesting to see how low the pressure can go without adverse audio effects, though the tracking might cause excess wear or the needle may even jump grooves at low pressure. Thanks 😀 👍
lovely find! what a beautiful horn! im glad you got it to play a record! i find sometimes if the machine is in a room thats too cold it will not run as well. thanks!
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, indeed. The grease softens slightly when it is warmer. If you are moving machines from room to room and there is a significant temperature difference, it's always best to leave it for a few hours if possible so it can properly warm up or cool down. Apparently, this reduces the risk of a spring breaking 🤔
most likely the spring needs to be replaced. Overtime the spring steel can weaken or gain a memory sitting wound too long when in storage and cause it to hold less tension energy. I’ve had this problem with a Victor vv-iv from 1917 and I changed the spring and the problem was fixed it played all the way through no problem
It may well be that. With my similar Apollo, I didn't touch the spring, but I did otherwise clean the motor, and it happily plays a record. This one looks like it has been serviced at some point as it doesn't have a 100 years' worth of dried up grease on it. Thanks 😀 👍
Hello, 😄I’ve also found out on my old Excelda Portable that if you use a thinner fine-tone needle, the record is more likely to play all the way through than it would if you use a thick forte or loud-tone needle. Has that worked for you too?😊 I’ve now properly fixed my Excelda by tightening the spring in the tonearm, which dramatically improved the wow and flutter as well as reduced the force needed for the motor to turn the record. It is now working really well. Greetings from Switzerland!🇨🇭😁
Hello once again i never overwind my machines i don't care if the record doesn't play all the way through, most of my machine's come from the 1900s and i care for them by not overwinding especially if they are single spring motors. Also the records can have an affect especially if they are warn or scuffed. Thanks again hope you post some more video's soon. 😂😊😅
Yes, this is a little single spring motor and probably was good for one 12" record when new. I may do some more experiments to see how much I can reduce the pressure. It will probably adversely affect the sound quality and could cause record wear issues, too. Thanks 😀 👍
Essentially, the tighter the spring is wound, the more chance of it breaking (though there can be other reasons for spring breakages, too). What I normally do is wind the spring until the winding handle starts to become stiff. Usually, that is then enough to play a whole record. If not, then I can continue to wind after the stiffness sets in, but I never wind so much that the handle refuses to go around at all. Different people will have different approaches to this, so this is only my opinion.
But they are supposed to have this weight. Both the records and reproducers are designed to work best at a pretty substantial weight. My guess is the phonograph will be quieter and have the same problems a modern too light stylus has, like problems with vocal S sounds if lowered too much.
Yes, although how much effect reducing the pressure has is probably an experiment for another video. Cleaning or having the spring replaced is probably a longer term solution, which will produce better results. Thanks 😀 👍
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I think both points of view are valid. Personally, I am more interested in the vintage machines than the music on the records, though I also collect records as objects in their own right. I have a turntable with a modern cartridge but don't really use it: th-cam.com/video/MXGczxwlMYc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a0Lu9ZCjUivPuH6I Thanks 😀 👍
Thanks to the 'gooseneck' tone arm its so simple to add elastic, a spring, or even a counterweight. Think they're a bit ambitious expecting such playing time out of such a small spring, though have just managed to play a 12" disc from a similar motor. Judging by the space within, I'd guess a double spring option would have been available. As for drag, I experienced this with some Durium records. A little furniture polish soon remedied this, but am always wary of the long term effects of lubricants. One collector (the late EMG Colonel) always applied candle wax to his discs. Would imagine its solvent free nature to be safe. Cleaning can also reduce drag caused by dirt.
I think the motor was probably rated for one 12" record when it was new. It's surprising that such a small spring would ever have played a whole record of any size! 😅. I haven't tried wax, but I do remember the EMG Colonel using it, and it certainly seemed effective for him 🤔. Probably try a counterweight next as it will be easier to calibrate. It will be interesting to see how low the pressure can go without adverse audio effects, though the tracking might cause excess wear or the needle may even jump grooves at low pressure. Thanks 😀 👍
EMG Colonel is dead?
@eggrider6420 Sorry to say he is, but last time I checked his TH-cam channel was still up.
lovely find! what a beautiful horn! im glad you got it to play a record! i find sometimes if the machine is in a room thats too cold it will not run as well. thanks!
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, indeed. The grease softens slightly when it is warmer. If you are moving machines from room to room and there is a significant temperature difference, it's always best to leave it for a few hours if possible so it can properly warm up or cool down. Apparently, this reduces the risk of a spring breaking 🤔
That actually sounds rather decent without the cone. If you added the cone, it might just sound even better lol.
I did actually fit the horn when I was playing the record. It got in the way too much when I was experimenting with the tonearm. Thanks 😀 👍
most likely the spring needs to be replaced. Overtime the spring steel can weaken or gain a memory sitting wound too long when in storage and cause it to hold less tension energy. I’ve had this problem with a Victor vv-iv from 1917 and I changed the spring and the problem was fixed it played all the way through no problem
It may well be that. With my similar Apollo, I didn't touch the spring, but I did otherwise clean the motor, and it happily plays a record. This one looks like it has been serviced at some point as it doesn't have a 100 years' worth of dried up grease on it. Thanks 😀 👍
Hello, 😄I’ve also found out on my old Excelda Portable that if you use a thinner fine-tone needle, the record is more likely to play all the way through than it would if you use a thick forte or loud-tone needle. Has that worked for you too?😊
I’ve now properly fixed my Excelda by tightening the spring in the tonearm, which dramatically improved the wow and flutter as well as reduced the force needed for the motor to turn the record. It is now working really well.
Greetings from Switzerland!🇨🇭😁
Glad to hear you got your Excelda working well! Yes, I use thin needles too, as they help with weak motors. My preference are 0.9mm ones. Thanks 😀 👍
Hello once again i never overwind my machines i don't care if the record doesn't play all the way through, most of my machine's come from the 1900s and i care for them by not overwinding especially if they are single spring motors. Also the records can have an affect especially if they are warn or scuffed. Thanks again hope you post some more video's soon. 😂😊😅
Yes, this is a little single spring motor and probably was good for one 12" record when new. I may do some more experiments to see how much I can reduce the pressure. It will probably adversely affect the sound quality and could cause record wear issues, too. Thanks 😀 👍
What makes you think that fully winding up the motor is bad?
Essentially, the tighter the spring is wound, the more chance of it breaking (though there can be other reasons for spring breakages, too). What I normally do is wind the spring until the winding handle starts to become stiff. Usually, that is then enough to play a whole record. If not, then I can continue to wind after the stiffness sets in, but I never wind so much that the handle refuses to go around at all. Different people will have different approaches to this, so this is only my opinion.
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That's interesting to know. Thanks 😀 👍
But they are supposed to have this weight. Both the records and reproducers are designed to work best at a pretty substantial weight.
My guess is the phonograph will be quieter and have the same problems a modern too light stylus has, like problems with vocal S sounds if lowered too much.
Yes, although how much effect reducing the pressure has is probably an experiment for another video. Cleaning or having the spring replaced is probably a longer term solution, which will produce better results. Thanks 😀 👍
You have an ad in the middle of the song. FFS.
no, it's just the information that one of the recording lights went off right in the middle of the record
@@kaimauracher6758 NO, a youtube commercial played.
TH-cam tries to "intelligently" place adverts at scene changes within a video. Different viewers will get different adverts potentially at different times, and they may not get any at all. However, I am not explicitly positioning any adverts within the video
I enjoy watching these kinds of videos but I wouldn't trust these needles because they do more damage on the records.
The records were designed for steel needles
@junkjunkie355 True, but the more they got played, the quicker the wore out.
I think both points of view are valid. Personally, I am more interested in the vintage machines than the music on the records, though I also collect records as objects in their own right. I have a turntable with a modern cartridge but don't really use it:
th-cam.com/video/MXGczxwlMYc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a0Lu9ZCjUivPuH6I
Thanks 😀 👍