Been playing paintball for about 12 years now, and when I was younger (12-13) the kids my age all had better guns than I did. My parents weren't that well off and I wasn't able to save enough money to buy a high end marker along with expensive higher end gear. It was my dream to have a high end paintball gun and be able to show off my paintball gun for once, now that I'm 24 I have a decent job/career and I'm able to finally make my dream become reality. My GEO 4 came in today and I couldn't be happier... I can finally say I did it.. not many things can compare to this feeling! what a blessing...
Bro shed a tear. I went through the same. I had to stop playing paintall for 8 years becouse i lived in argentina and couldnt save money. Now im back in the states and have a sick job and was able to pick one of these up!
God you make me feel old. "I've been playing since 2001....", as im trying to calculate my age. I started playing back in '88/'89 😳 Hardest thing in my life was realising it was time to pass the torch to the next generation. My Prime has come and gone, but man........the memories of rolling the field will last till i die.
@@riflemanm16a2 Hahahahaha ! The redeeming factor is that, at 48yrs old, im doing jiujitsu against body builders in their mid -twenties and tapping them out. THATS what keeps me feeling young these days; in my mind at least.
i LOVE the hard aluminum cases. if the guns is on top or under my gear its gonna be protected. The soft cases let things push against the gun through the case.
We are at a stand still with paintball technology. Give it to pe for making markers that are very reliable. Unless breakthrough happens in a self filling tank then we are here at the top. Only thing to do is to play. I see your points. We're in this weird area.
I love your thorough and honest reviews. That’s exactly how I’ve felt about PE over the last 10 years…CONFUSED. The naming convention changed. The changes in milling were subtle. You never knew how each marker fell in the product lineup. Great guns. Weird pedigree chart.
I understand your points , I bought the cs2 pro over the geo 4 last year because I live in the midwest and know the gamma core pro wont stick in cold weather. I just remember old 3.5 and cs1s having bolt stick in the past. But overall, I can see why most would buy a geo 4 to save money. But also l own a lv1.6 because I already owned a cs2 and other spool valves and wanted a poppet to use on occasions, and being an old school player and always wanting a ego/lv I just went for it. In the end , I just like the simplicity and reliability of plant eclipse and see me using my cs2 pro and lv1.6 for years to come ,unless some amazing paintball technology comes out.
@@Dmorris556 yea definitely shouldn't have been released without making some more serious changes imo. Still an awesome marker. But the cs2 even after a few years is still ahead of everything else tech wise.
All spoolies feel the same to me. At least with timmys and Egos there is some room to tune your shots. Snappy n fast and slow n smooth. I really hope SFRs arent the end of poppet valve innovation.
Yea one time I was late to the field so was in a hurry and got my gear bag but forgot my keys inside so dropped my gear bag behind why car where my trunk is at got my keys from inside went back out got into my car and ran over my gear bag case was crushed gun was fine tho 😂
i just realized you started playing paintball the same time i did, literally the same year. only difference is i haven't played in over 20 years and looking to get back into it. i was a big sucker for the autococker/mag/angel/shocker so i went with the amp.
not to mention i had a spyder shutter i don't know if you remember that model. it basically was a spyder tl-r // spyder se with a gauge and chromed out blue or red
@@angelofrago3096 I would say absolutely NO! The ETEK 3 is a MUCH BETTER marker and the 4 is just that better-er still. The ETHA2 is an incredible marker as well.
I’ve had my cs1 for 5 years and I love it. Been interested in getting a new gun and my local shop has the geo 4 in the color scheme I want. Having a tough time deciding if I should yolo pull the trigger for essentially the same gun… but way cooler… or hold out for another model or swap entirely to 1.6. The thing about the 1.6 is it just doesn’t feel good in my hands like the cs1 and geo4. Should I just go for it? :)
Play with any LV if you can first. Ergos are the same on all LVs. I thought it felt stretched and thin the first time I held it. But it's my go to speedball marker. Plus the ability to tune it to be smoother or snappy is a huge plus
I put an Infamous Deuce on mine too. Those stock blade triggers are the only complaint I have about eclipse guns. I have an Axe Pro, and I like the stock trigger on that gun more than an eclipse blade trigger like the stock 160r or Geo, but with the deuce on the Geo 4, good night
Problem is, ANSGear has Cs2s on sale for 1295. It's technically $50 more. Worth? id say it is currently in this situation but not at original msrp. or vs the cs2 pro.
The best way to understand is the cs2 will cycle with penut butter with lube(madman paintball if you want to watch this done) and the iv core probably not a good idea. The cs2 is lower pressure(at this low operating psi ite kind of irrelivent) and can run a much frame. So if your pocjeta are deep get a few. If not, I dont know why you would lube with peanut butter so im going to guess you wont. Just get a geo4 and spend your $400 on a emek
The CS1, 1.5, and Geo 4 are literally the EXACT same gun internally. Planet eclipse just doesn’t know how to improve the Cs1 yet so they’ll change the most superficial things like the grip or milling and then call it an entirely different name then sell it for $400 more, and then all these idiots and suckers buy it. With that being said, the geo 4 I bought comes in the mail tomorrow.
@@cody4243 don't get me wrong, I love my 160r, and I still keep it in my gear bag as a very solid backup, but the Geo is on another level, especially after adding an Infamous Deuce R1. I'm not a fan of Eclipse blade triggers
I have the emek and CS2 and I like the emek better. It could be an issue of bore sizing or something but I was disappointed by the lack of accuracy with the CS2 after shelling out that much guap
@@jordancalanchini3496 thanks for the info. What paint do you like? I tried valken graffiti and that wasn't too accurate for me, but the GI sportz field paint shot way better
@@tkoze paint is going to vary from batch to batch, graffiti is awesome! But of course some times the batch will be a little bit off for whatever reason. I’ve had hk level 5 that’s the best paint I’ve ever shot and hk level 5 that’s terrible. My favorite paint is gi sports 5 star.
Initially shooting a 170r and being introduced to the gamma line of markers, I personally believe Planet Eclipse has nearly reached the pinnacle of reliability when it comes to bolt systems. I then went onto the higher end and purchased a luxe x and while it shoots amazing and can go on multiple weekends without maintenance (lube the bolt maybe after 3 full weekends), I still missed the way Eclipse markers shot. When I saw the Geo 4 release, I waited for more reviews before I jumped onto that $1k price tag again but then I held both my friend's Geo 4 and CS1.5. While both shoot the same with the IV Core and SFR and all, I ended up saving that extra paint money and grabbed the CS1.5. Who knows, maybe I'll grab another IV core with the Geo 4 in the future, marker still looks sick. So thankful you came out with a review for this though.
How do u like the lux x ? Looking to do the same find a nice cs1 or 1.5 or I hear a lot of good things about the ice I tried it out today and was impressed
@@Ogkushdabz the luxe x served me well, I love the ergonomics on it and maintenance is minimal. Just got tired of using it overtime I guess? Im currently running a CS1.5 and while I bought it used, the gun is still a laser. I also like the grips more on the CS1.5 than the CS2. Sound signature with the IV core is pretty nice which was the main reason I switched, heard good things about the Ice but I feel more comfortable with PE more now
@@saulliang5880 If you’re able to get the chance to hold each marker, go for it. I got a CS1.5 which is definitely comparable to the Geo 4. I shot the shocker amp before and it can definitely run with the CS2s and Luxe’s. It’s all up to you in what you search for in terms shot quality, and ergonomics/weight.
I'll try and get my hands on a few just to feel ergo. So at the $1,200 price point you don't think the geo 4 hangs with the cs2/lux? Which of the high end markers would you say is the best value for $$$?
Love all the videos! Im always watching your reviews trying to make my decisions for future markers. Is it me or you said FSR at some point? I think i heard it around 11:45
Yeah, what's up with that? I remember Etha 2s' being around $400 when I was looking at them a couple years ago, and even some videos from just a couple months ago say $425, but new ones are $470 everywhere.
Agree on the trigger. The 170R trigger doesn't feel good compared to the AMP. But when I'm actually playing it feels fine and I can shoot really fast on semi.
I know this is over a year later of a reply, and I don’t know if you have shot one by now, but I got mine a little while ago, and all I can say is, is I’m only excited to just shoot this thing. It doesn’t get old. Almost a year later and I still am giddy to put my first hopper of the day thru it. Love it in its entirely.
I’m the exact same way I love all the old guns my old 07 ego shocker Timmy I still have hahaha 🤣 I love all of them and I’ll never sell them the milling on the guns are just at par seems like today timmys mill on guns is just incredible ❤️☝🏼🤘🏼🙏🏼💪🏼🔥
Being a paintball player what do you think about what's happening in Canada with Bill C-21 do you think there's anything you can do with your platform to help us?
Feels like a different trigger than the CS2 to me. Maybe it's just the shoe angle adjustment on the CS2 that makes a difference for me. I much prefer the CS2 trigger.
Great video, Brad. All the upgrades and options with the GEO4 seem kinda pointless to me, so I went all in on the CS2 Pro HK Alien edition. It's awesome! Has all the reliability you would expect for the price and none of the stuff you don't need. Just play with it right out of the box. The more little tuning and adjustment features tend to cause more problems and cost you in the end. Although I believe it won't happen most of the time with PE products. One thing, you were showing the GEO the whole time you were talking about the CS2. I really don't see the GEO4 as better than the CS2, I actually watched your videos about the CS2 and how much you loved it and didn't have anything negative to say about it. It's funny, after watching up until the end of this video, based on what you were saying, I really thought you were gonna say it's not better than the CS2, but then you went with the price difference. I understand that holds a lot of people back from playing and buying high end guns, but I remember you saying the feel of the CS2 is in its own class because the tolerances are so great (the overall feel category). I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but I just feel like you kind of dogged the CS2 because you're not getting what you pay for with the price, but before you basically said you're getting what you pay for so I just thought that was kinda unfair to say that at the end.
I just sold my CS2 Pro and picked up a Geo 4. I feel like they could price the geo above the CS2 and it would sell. The Geo 4 honestly feels like a higher end product especially in the shot feel. I would definitely give it a go if you get the chance, I regret purchasing the CS2 initially after owning the Geo 4 for even just a few weeks. Price was no factor for me as I was solely looking for the better product and after owning both I have to vouch for the Geo.
Had a amp, option at a luxe tm40 but kept my dye m3+, now will be trading for a geo 4. I love the shot of the geo 4. Best ergonomics around imo. Very curious to try a tm40 with the rubber ace grips and deuce trigger, it’s supposed to be “ Phenomenal” according to folks.
Incredibly confusing is right, I am in the market for a top performing marker and have no idea what to do. The LV2 just came out but the grip frame feels too big in my hand compared to the 1.6 and geo4. Like you mention, the Geo4 is probably the one I will go with. But why does it have to be so confusing, does Planet Eclipse have big things coming soon?
I’m with ya they may have to many options. They are both very very good, i would pick the one that feels the best. I like bigger feeling guns and also think the LV2 is a bit chunky.
Purchased a brand new Geo 4 last week. I loved my geo 1,2,3,3.1 and 3.5 but was not a fan of the cs1 or cs2. The geo 4 is just a cs1 with the cs2 rear grip. The sound signature isn't a geo, the shot quality is not as good as the 3.5 and it is just uncomfortable in my hands. Traded it for a LV1.6 yesterday. The LV series is just the best markers on the market. Been playing since 1992 and have owned everything over the years.
The geo 4 is definitely better you messed up mate especially with the lv2 just releasing even that gun is better than the lv 1.6 and I’m not even a pop it valve gun fan.
@@saulliang5880 I did purchase it but Idk if regret is the word, I wish I had waited a bit and got a better deal on it, it's worth noting that as of lately I'm always pull out 170r. something to be said about the 170r for me. IDK i've played ball for a long time and I used to love my geo 2 but then I got my geo 3 and then I didn't get anything until december of 2020 when I bought the 170r but then I shot the shocker amp and I ended up buying that and using that as my main but then that went down on me one day and I pulled out he 170r and I have not looked back since. I guess I really only bought the geo 4 because I had geos 1-3 lol I kno that is terrible but its the truth
@@847lifestyle So I went in person to hold the ergo of a few high end markers and I ended up falling for the etha 2 (feels like a real gun)/shocker amp (solid frame & sexy milling)/lv1.6 (perfect)/geo 4 (solid/great shape, no weak spots). I did not like the grips on the 170r, it felt flimsy, weak, and cheap.
Wuz up!!! For me I'm still running with my 68Automag since 1997 and a A.N.S GEN-3 Autococker. I also just acquired a Tippmann TMC. As rite now I'm building a 68Automag sidearm w/10 round mag clip. Love the vids, keep up the great content and ✌out from Modesto👈😎👉
Hey there I'll be posting a video of my makeshift 68Automag sidearm soon. I'm still finishing it and when it's done I'll post it. Thanks for asking and everyone out who's see's it likes it. ✌out from Cali👈😎👉
Please make a video about Canada bill c21 that is seeking to make airsoft guns and magfed paintball guns illegal. The wording is so ambiguous that some regular paintball guns could fall into their prohibited listing. I know you’re not in Canada but we are all part of a small community and if Canada takes a hit like that it will close many paintball fields and thousands of jobs will be lost. Don’t you want to go to flag raiders paintball?
So let me get this straight.... you complain about the CS2 front grip being narrow twards the bottom but you were perfectly happy with a 3.5/LV front grip? Especially with the a-t pipes?! Interesting... Ill take a CS2 front grip over any LV/Geo fore grip ever
Hi there everyone I have a question to ask, I have a budget of about 900$ to get back in the game. I am right now being offered a geo 4 with a r2 mag and a 68/4500 ninja v2 pro reg air tank for 850$! Is it worth it? Should I jump on that deal? Help pleas!
Honestly IMO the Geo 3 was the most fun spool that PE sent out. All the dimensions were just where they needed to be especially that frame to reg ratio. The grip wasn't massive and spongey. When the CS1 came out someone came in with it and honestly wasn't impressed.
@@crossfirerambo There are some very robust and worthwhile improvements made to the CS1 vs. the Geo 3. Grip design and material, grip interaction with the surfaces around it, much more reliable SMC solenoid. Those are the big ones for me. And unlike many, I LOVE the CS grips. Ergos are perfect.
@@axledog7297 and that's fine. If you feel like that's worth the money then go ahead. But generally speaking guns aren't worth the money companies are asking for relatively small improvements.
@@crossfirerambo I don't really look at markers from a "value" perspective. I tend to stick to objectively judging the design/engineering of them since that's a more quantifiable measurement of a marker's worth to me. The CS1 was a huge leap, and they're still using the same design architecture today 6 years later.
@@thesteinmanclan False. There are a metric ton of Geo 4s out there. And at the end of the day, the Geo 4 and CS1/CSR/CS1.5 are all functionally identical, so this doesn't exactly introduce anything "new."
I had a lovely titanium gray Geo four twister, but I’ll tell you what, I did not like the way it shot, it was just too puffy, and the shot had no satisfactory quality to it
The Geo 4 is 100% the exact same gun as a CS1 internally; there isn't a single difference. Literally the same. Same board, same core, same reg. It's the same. It's a CS1 with an updated body and ergos. Also, current pricing has the Geo 4 $50 less than a CS2, not $400.
I was going to say the same thing, even look at that trigger guard, exact same. I went all in on the CS2 pro HK alien edition and am so happy! Can't wait to play tomorrow!
No. Dwell time = the amount of time the solenoid is charged, which ultimately determines how long the bolt is in the forward position during the cycle. The SFR is exactly what it says - it restricts the exhaust flow rate from the solenoid. In the CS1/Geo 4 arrangement, the solenoid acts as an air sear and has to dump a small volume of air to allow the shot chamber to push the bolt forward. The rate at which that volume of air holding the bolt back is vented controls how quickly the bolt accelerates.
@@PropDusting Not really. Pressure x surface area = force. Adjusting the regulator *within it's working range* has very little effect on the bolt's acceleration profile. The force in which the bolt is driven forward is what you're adjusting so, realistically, adjusting the LPR is pretty pointless in most cases, which continues to be highly misunderstood. The SFR provides a far more effective method of control via flow restriction. The LV is a good example - set the LPR to 75-85 psi for a strong, reliable cycle and use the SFRs as the tuning apparatus. If you watch Brad's recent LV1.6 video, he incorrectly mentions the LPR as the reason the LV platform is so "tuneable", which couldn't be further from the truth. Contrary to popular belief, that's not the point of an LPR, but it is the point of the SFRs.
Been playing paintball for about 12 years now, and when I was younger (12-13) the kids my age all had better guns than I did. My parents weren't that well off and I wasn't able to save enough money to buy a high end marker along with expensive higher end gear. It was my dream to have a high end paintball gun and be able to show off my paintball gun for once, now that I'm 24 I have a decent job/career and I'm able to finally make my dream become reality. My GEO 4 came in today and I couldn't be happier... I can finally say I did it.. not many things can compare to this feeling! what a blessing...
Keep working hard my man :)
Bro shed a tear. I went through the same. I had to stop playing paintall for 8 years becouse i lived in argentina and couldnt save money. Now im back in the states and have a sick job and was able to pick one of these up!
@@AJ-2-Toke Welcome back man! I wish you luck in your journey!
Finally retired my very used geo 2 from 2011 that saw 8 years straight of playing. Geo 4 for life baby
God you make me feel old.
"I've been playing since 2001....", as im trying to calculate my age.
I started playing back in '88/'89 😳
Hardest thing in my life was realising it was time to pass the torch to the next generation. My Prime has come and gone, but man........the memories of rolling the field will last till i die.
I'm with you, bro. My first marker was the PMI Trracer in 1989.
@@Timasion i still have my Nelspot 007.
Just to make you feel even older, I was born in 88, and now some people consider ME old, lol.
@@riflemanm16a2 Hahahahaha !
The redeeming factor is that, at 48yrs old, im doing jiujitsu against body builders in their mid -twenties and tapping them out. THATS what keeps me feeling young these days; in my mind at least.
man I'm gonna be on the field till I can't run anymore.
i LOVE the hard aluminum cases. if the guns is on top or under my gear its gonna be protected. The soft cases let things push against the gun through the case.
Dude Your profile picture is stupid ! put an American 🇺🇸 flag!
Love how you actually explain everything so well on the mechanical side.
The way the geo 4 sounds, just makes me butter my toast 😩
We are at a stand still with paintball technology. Give it to pe for making markers that are very reliable. Unless breakthrough happens in a self filling tank then we are here at the top. Only thing to do is to play. I see your points. We're in this weird area.
I know several guys who basically plan to shoot the wheels off their 3.5's. The love is real.
I love your thorough and honest reviews. That’s exactly how I’ve felt about PE over the last 10 years…CONFUSED. The naming convention changed. The changes in milling were subtle. You never knew how each marker fell in the product lineup. Great guns. Weird pedigree chart.
I understand your points , I bought the cs2 pro over the geo 4 last year because I live in the midwest and know the gamma core pro wont stick in cold weather. I just remember old 3.5 and cs1s having bolt stick in the past. But overall, I can see why most would buy a geo 4 to save money. But also l own a lv1.6 because I already owned a cs2 and other spool valves and wanted a poppet to use on occasions, and being an old school player and always wanting a ego/lv I just went for it. In the end , I just like the simplicity and reliability of plant eclipse and see me using my cs2 pro and lv1.6 for years to come ,unless some amazing paintball technology comes out.
The geo 4 has an updated bolt so no more bolt stick 👍👍
I like the planet eclipse hard case I just wish it had a carrying handle that would be pretty cool.
i like em too gives so older feel and i like it, it makes it feel higher quality than the luxe cases in my opinion.
Getting away from the wires eyes was one of the big reasons I went with the CS2 over the Geo4.
Same. Geo 4 seemed kinda old. Like a slimmed down slightly different cs1. Might as well buy a cs1 unless you have lady hands
Same with the LV2. I was shocked at how, janky the electronics are in that thing.
@@Dmorris556 yea definitely shouldn't have been released without making some more serious changes imo. Still an awesome marker. But the cs2 even after a few years is still ahead of everything else tech wise.
Im in the LV1 camp. Love that gun. I know spoolies are great, but there is nothing on the market right now that makes me want to replace it.
All spoolies feel the same to me. At least with timmys and Egos there is some room to tune your shots. Snappy n fast and slow n smooth. I really hope SFRs arent the end of poppet valve innovation.
Hey man I love planets cases !! They can take a beating and your marker will be fine
Yea one time I was late to the field so was in a hurry and got my gear bag but forgot my keys inside so dropped my gear bag behind why car where my trunk is at got my keys from inside went back out got into my car and ran over my gear bag case was crushed gun was fine tho 😂
@@dylandoporto7038 just reading that scared me... My heart would sink if I experienced that lol
@@skylaryoung3819 yea as i was backing up I heard something very different 😂my heart dropped as I realized what i just did
i miss the S shaped scythe triggers.
@@___meph___4547 is there actually science behind why the blade trigger is better? Or is it just personal preference?
i just realized you started playing paintball the same time i did, literally the same year. only difference is i haven't played in over 20 years and looking to get back into it. i was a big sucker for the autococker/mag/angel/shocker so i went with the amp.
not to mention i had a spyder shutter i don't know if you remember that model. it basically was a spyder tl-r // spyder se with a gauge and chromed out blue or red
The Shutter was my first paintball gun, had blue with a 16in red barrel haha.
Having the gun a little stretched out so you have space between the trigger guard and foregrip is underrated
The graphic is wrong! THE GRAPHIC IS WRONG. Swap the “geo2” and “geo1”. @paintballruinedmylife
It’s true and I think it’s missing a few
I swear I even rewatched this video to look for errors...😯
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife random question, is it still worth it to get a used etek 2?
@@angelofrago3096
I would say absolutely NO!
The ETEK 3 is a MUCH BETTER marker and the 4 is just that better-er still.
The ETHA2 is an incredible marker as well.
Saw the front grip snap off of the geo 4 this past weekend, not from a fall or anything. Just from playing
I’ve had my cs1 for 5 years and I love it. Been interested in getting a new gun and my local shop has the geo 4 in the color scheme I want. Having a tough time deciding if I should yolo pull the trigger for essentially the same gun… but way cooler… or hold out for another model or swap entirely to 1.6. The thing about the 1.6 is it just doesn’t feel good in my hands like the cs1 and geo4. Should I just go for it? :)
Play with any LV if you can first. Ergos are the same on all LVs. I thought it felt stretched and thin the first time I held it. But it's my go to speedball marker. Plus the ability to tune it to be smoother or snappy is a huge plus
I'd go for a 1.6 tbh,i absolutely love em
Always love your take Brad. Thanks for this review. I love my geo4, just got the infamous deuce trigger installed today.
Same here, the trigger makes a huge difference and combining that with the geo’s smooth and buttery shot is a master piece!!!
I put an Infamous Deuce on mine too. Those stock blade triggers are the only complaint I have about eclipse guns. I have an Axe Pro, and I like the stock trigger on that gun more than an eclipse blade trigger like the stock 160r or Geo, but with the deuce on the Geo 4, good night
Did you have to remove the entire top of the gun in order to change the trigger?
I always liked the blade triggers….never an issue or planet eclipse gats….I’ve owned a ton of guns since 1999 when I started…play on sir.
My team got sponsored by Shocker so we got our own custom AMP's, and it makes me sad that I won't be able to use me geo 4 as much
I agree with you on the trigger. I also am really not a fan of the trigger feel of the gtek 170r
Problem is, ANSGear has Cs2s on sale for 1295. It's technically $50 more. Worth? id say it is currently in this situation but not at original msrp. or vs the cs2 pro.
The best way to understand is the cs2 will cycle with penut butter with lube(madman paintball if you want to watch this done) and the iv core probably not a good idea. The cs2 is lower pressure(at this low operating psi ite kind of irrelivent) and can run a much frame. So if your pocjeta are deep get a few. If not, I dont know why you would lube with peanut butter so im going to guess you wont. Just get a geo4 and spend your $400 on a emek
The CS1, 1.5, and Geo 4 are literally the EXACT same gun internally. Planet eclipse just doesn’t know how to improve the Cs1 yet so they’ll change the most superficial things like the grip or milling and then call it an entirely different name then sell it for $400 more, and then all these idiots and suckers buy it.
With that being said, the geo 4 I bought comes in the mail tomorrow.
lol Im buying one in a couple of weeks stocked gettting back into the sport.
I got the Super Staunchy deuce trigger on a GEO 4 and it has the weigh and shape that feels right. 🤙🏽
*Try It Out*
Im really liking that lv 1.6!! I have a Lagoon 09 ego...i would love to get a custom ano done on a lvl 1.6 to match my older gun:)
Upgraded from a 160r to a Geo IV three weeks ago and it's an absolutely amazing feeling gun. Shoots spectacularly
Damn I still rock my 160r. Thing shoots ropes. Thinking of the geo4 now
@@cody4243 don't get me wrong, I love my 160r, and I still keep it in my gear bag as a very solid backup, but the Geo is on another level, especially after adding an Infamous Deuce R1. I'm not a fan of Eclipse blade triggers
@@a_crispy_umbrella should I use custom on the geo or a preset
It's literally the same bolt lmao
I have the emek and CS2 and I like the emek better. It could be an issue of bore sizing or something but I was disappointed by the lack of accuracy with the CS2 after shelling out that much guap
Your accuracy is going be based on the quality of paint you use
@@jordancalanchini3496 thanks for the info. What paint do you like? I tried valken graffiti and that wasn't too accurate for me, but the GI sportz field paint shot way better
@@tkoze paint is going to vary from batch to batch, graffiti is awesome! But of course some times the batch will be a little bit off for whatever reason. I’ve had hk level 5 that’s the best paint I’ve ever shot and hk level 5 that’s terrible. My favorite paint is gi sports 5 star.
Initially shooting a 170r and being introduced to the gamma line of markers, I personally believe Planet Eclipse has nearly reached the pinnacle of reliability when it comes to bolt systems. I then went onto the higher end and purchased a luxe x and while it shoots amazing and can go on multiple weekends without maintenance (lube the bolt maybe after 3 full weekends), I still missed the way Eclipse markers shot. When I saw the Geo 4 release, I waited for more reviews before I jumped onto that $1k price tag again but then I held both my friend's Geo 4 and CS1.5. While both shoot the same with the IV Core and SFR and all, I ended up saving that extra paint money and grabbed the CS1.5. Who knows, maybe I'll grab another IV core with the Geo 4 in the future, marker still looks sick. So thankful you came out with a review for this though.
How do u like the lux x ? Looking to do the same find a nice cs1 or 1.5 or I hear a lot of good things about the ice I tried it out today and was impressed
@@Ogkushdabz the luxe x served me well, I love the ergonomics on it and maintenance is minimal. Just got tired of using it overtime I guess? Im currently running a CS1.5 and while I bought it used, the gun is still a laser. I also like the grips more on the CS1.5 than the CS2. Sound signature with the IV core is pretty nice which was the main reason I switched, heard good things about the Ice but I feel more comfortable with PE more now
Im currently between the 170r/luxe ice/shocker amp/geo4. Could you help me decide?
@@saulliang5880 If you’re able to get the chance to hold each marker, go for it. I got a CS1.5 which is definitely comparable to the Geo 4. I shot the shocker amp before and it can definitely run with the CS2s and Luxe’s. It’s all up to you in what you search for in terms shot quality, and ergonomics/weight.
I'll try and get my hands on a few just to feel ergo. So at the $1,200 price point you don't think the geo 4 hangs with the cs2/lux? Which of the high end markers would you say is the best value for $$$?
Love all the videos! Im always watching your reviews trying to make my decisions for future markers.
Is it me or you said FSR at some point? I think i heard it around 11:45
Have you seen the price hikes for all planet eclipse markers, pretty crazy
Yeah, what's up with that? I remember Etha 2s' being around $400 when I was looking at them a couple years ago, and even some videos from just a couple months ago say $425, but new ones are $470 everywhere.
@@riflemanm16a2 it's crazy
Agree on the trigger. The 170R trigger doesn't feel good compared to the AMP. But when I'm actually playing it feels fine and I can shoot really fast on semi.
170R Ergos are awesome though
I always thought the CS2 had a clunky shot compared to a 3.5--would definitely be keen to try a Geo 4!
Its cuz the cs2 has a gamma core just like the etha 2 and the 3.5 has the lv core with imo is better fun fact the cs1.5 has a lv core also
I know this is over a year later of a reply, and I don’t know if you have shot one by now, but I got mine a little while ago, and all I can say is, is I’m only excited to just shoot this thing. It doesn’t get old. Almost a year later and I still am giddy to put my first hopper of the day thru it. Love it in its entirely.
I’m the exact same way I love all the old guns my old 07 ego shocker Timmy I still have hahaha 🤣 I love all of them and I’ll never sell them the milling on the guns are just at par seems like today timmys mill on guns is just incredible ❤️☝🏼🤘🏼🙏🏼💪🏼🔥
I am Sticking to my gtek shoots like new why get another gun so what it has and external air line
Same. Plus with the GMEK frame it's easy for me to swap to mech if I want. I see no reason to upgrade.
@@michaelgrenier8362 Yes I both frames as well and the opps asa is just as good as the pops if not better i think its better
100%. The Gtek is a great platform
Thoughts on the trigger are so true. Feels very "cheap" to me.
What gun is better than the CS2 pro? The LuX? The F1 Force? Or do they outclass everything?
@@___meph___4547 this guy gets it. ☝☝
I may be late but why in the world did the etha2 go up to 470. I already couldn't afford the 430, and then they go and up the price again
Amazing content as always Brad 👍🏾
Being a paintball player what do you think about what's happening in Canada with Bill C-21 do you think there's anything you can do with your platform to help us?
Nobody can save Canadians from themselves. We voted in a guy who never really had a job. The results were predictable.
I have a cs1 and I love it
I really want a geo 4. All my paintball buddys have cs2. I like how the geo 4 looks
Get it
You won't be disappointed I love mine
i want a deuce trigger but they are sold out just about everywhere for the eclipse guns
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Welcome back to the ivcore
Feels like a different trigger than the CS2 to me. Maybe it's just the shoe angle adjustment on the CS2 that makes a difference for me. I much prefer the CS2 trigger.
The Geo 4 uses the same trigger components as the CS1 and CS1 variants. The CS2 uses a completely different set of components.
Like the Etha 2 case?
Great video, Brad. All the upgrades and options with the GEO4 seem kinda pointless to me, so I went all in on the CS2 Pro HK Alien edition. It's awesome! Has all the reliability you would expect for the price and none of the stuff you don't need. Just play with it right out of the box. The more little tuning and adjustment features tend to cause more problems and cost you in the end. Although I believe it won't happen most of the time with PE products. One thing, you were showing the GEO the whole time you were talking about the CS2. I really don't see the GEO4 as better than the CS2, I actually watched your videos about the CS2 and how much you loved it and didn't have anything negative to say about it. It's funny, after watching up until the end of this video, based on what you were saying, I really thought you were gonna say it's not better than the CS2, but then you went with the price difference. I understand that holds a lot of people back from playing and buying high end guns, but I remember you saying the feel of the CS2 is in its own class because the tolerances are so great (the overall feel category). I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but I just feel like you kind of dogged the CS2 because you're not getting what you pay for with the price, but before you basically said you're getting what you pay for so I just thought that was kinda unfair to say that at the end.
I just sold my CS2 Pro and picked up a Geo 4. I feel like they could price the geo above the CS2 and it would sell. The Geo 4 honestly feels like a higher end product especially in the shot feel. I would definitely give it a go if you get the chance, I regret purchasing the CS2 initially after owning the Geo 4 for even just a few weeks. Price was no factor for me as I was solely looking for the better product and after owning both I have to vouch for the Geo.
Had a amp, option at a luxe tm40 but kept my dye m3+, now will be trading for a geo 4. I love the shot of the geo 4. Best ergonomics around imo. Very curious to try a tm40 with the rubber ace grips and deuce trigger, it’s supposed to be “ Phenomenal” according to folks.
Incredibly confusing is right, I am in the market for a top performing marker and have no idea what to do. The LV2 just came out but the grip frame feels too big in my hand compared to the 1.6 and geo4. Like you mention, the Geo4 is probably the one I will go with. But why does it have to be so confusing, does Planet Eclipse have big things coming soon?
I’m with ya they may have to many options. They are both very very good, i would pick the one that feels the best. I like bigger feeling guns and also think the LV2 is a bit chunky.
mini gs or 170r
170r no doubt.
Amp
170
Love the Geo 4
I went with a cs2 over a geo 4. Price wasnt in the picture to worry about
Me too just picked up a cs2 pro.
@@cullenmanningham1 rip to us after they announced the cs3 today :(
Is this your main gat now?
Purchased a brand new Geo 4 last week. I loved my geo 1,2,3,3.1 and 3.5 but was not a fan of the cs1 or cs2. The geo 4 is just a cs1 with the cs2 rear grip. The sound signature isn't a geo, the shot quality is not as good as the 3.5 and it is just uncomfortable in my hands. Traded it for a LV1.6 yesterday. The LV series is just the best markers on the market. Been playing since 1992 and have owned everything over the years.
The geo 4 is definitely better you messed up mate especially with the lv2 just releasing even that gun is better than the lv 1.6 and I’m not even a pop it valve gun fan.
I feel obligated to get one. I have 1-3 and skipped on the middle variants... geo 4 I think it is lol
Any thoughts? Did you regret the purchase it?
@@saulliang5880 I did purchase it but Idk if regret is the word, I wish I had waited a bit and got a better deal on it, it's worth noting that as of lately I'm always pull out 170r. something to be said about the 170r for me. IDK i've played ball for a long time and I used to love my geo 2 but then I got my geo 3 and then I didn't get anything until december of 2020 when I bought the 170r but then I shot the shocker amp and I ended up buying that and using that as my main but then that went down on me one day and I pulled out he 170r and I have not looked back since. I guess I really only bought the geo 4 because I had geos 1-3 lol I kno that is terrible but its the truth
@@847lifestyle So I went in person to hold the ergo of a few high end markers and I ended up falling for the etha 2 (feels like a real gun)/shocker amp (solid frame & sexy milling)/lv1.6 (perfect)/geo 4 (solid/great shape, no weak spots). I did not like the grips on the 170r, it felt flimsy, weak, and cheap.
@@saulliang5880 right on and I will have to try that etha 2 sometime soon.
Love my geo4
Wuz up!!! For me I'm still running with my 68Automag since 1997 and a A.N.S GEN-3 Autococker. I also just acquired a Tippmann TMC. As rite now I'm building a 68Automag sidearm w/10 round mag clip. Love the vids, keep up the great content and ✌out from Modesto👈😎👉
DUDE!!!
Anything more info you can share about your Magfed-Mag?
Hey there I'll be posting a video of my makeshift 68Automag sidearm soon. I'm still finishing it and when it's done I'll post it. Thanks for asking and everyone out who's see's it likes it. ✌out from Cali👈😎👉
Is the Geo IV solenoid user serviceable like the LV1.6?
Please make a video about Canada bill c21 that is seeking to make airsoft guns and magfed paintball guns illegal. The wording is so ambiguous that some regular paintball guns could fall into their prohibited listing. I know you’re not in Canada but we are all part of a small community and if Canada takes a hit like that it will close many paintball fields and thousands of jobs will be lost. Don’t you want to go to flag raiders paintball?
I bought the geo 4 sold it the same day was not impressed for the price
Been waiting for this vid
Nailed the trigger description hahaha
70 degrees all the time?
Where do you live bro that’s my kind of weather!?
So let me get this straight.... you complain about the CS2 front grip being narrow twards the bottom but you were perfectly happy with a 3.5/LV front grip? Especially with the a-t pipes?! Interesting... Ill take a CS2 front grip over any LV/Geo fore grip ever
Sickk! Thanks for great content as always. I just bought dye DSR, great marker :-)
Hi there everyone
I have a question to ask, I have a budget of about 900$ to get back in the game.
I am right now being offered a geo 4 with a r2 mag and a 68/4500 ninja v2 pro reg air tank for 850$!
Is it worth it?
Should I jump on that deal?
Help pleas!
Honestly IMO the Geo 3 was the most fun spool that PE sent out. All the dimensions were just where they needed to be especially that frame to reg ratio. The grip wasn't massive and spongey. When the CS1 came out someone came in with it and honestly wasn't impressed.
If you weren't impressed by the CS1, I question the level of detail you go to when you analyze and ultimately judge a marker.
@@axledog7297 a lot actually. Just gotta weed out all the junk "upgrades" that they sell you every year.
@@crossfirerambo There are some very robust and worthwhile improvements made to the CS1 vs. the Geo 3. Grip design and material, grip interaction with the surfaces around it, much more reliable SMC solenoid. Those are the big ones for me. And unlike many, I LOVE the CS grips. Ergos are perfect.
@@axledog7297 and that's fine. If you feel like that's worth the money then go ahead. But generally speaking guns aren't worth the money companies are asking for relatively small improvements.
@@crossfirerambo I don't really look at markers from a "value" perspective. I tend to stick to objectively judging the design/engineering of them since that's a more quantifiable measurement of a marker's worth to me. The CS1 was a huge leap, and they're still using the same design architecture today 6 years later.
You have the wrong picture for the Geo and Geo 2 swapped 😆
Would you recommend the geo 4 over a cs2
Did you even watch the video?
@@cjperaino6968 I don’t understand why you even commented back if I wasn’t even asking you.
The Geo 4 looks way better than the CS2/CS3 I wish I had one!
The gsl came out before the 3.5 Brad 😘
New best or new most expensive?
Didn't think gun come out like a year ago lol
Brad is a master of suspense, so is a global pandemic.
So?
Not too many people have been able to get them though since the pandemic has caused supply chain issues
@@thesteinmanclan False. There are a metric ton of Geo 4s out there.
And at the end of the day, the Geo 4 and CS1/CSR/CS1.5 are all functionally identical, so this doesn't exactly introduce anything "new."
@@axledog7297 ok
Bought a geo aboyt 8 months ago...i must admit...i do not hate it lol...
I run a Geo 4 and Dye DlS and love them both.
Errrrr on your graphic the Geo1 and geo2 pics are the wrong way round .... and what about the 2.1
Hallo brauche eine Übersetzung für die Bedienungsanleitung für ne geo 3.1 kann jemand helfen
I had a lovely titanium gray Geo four twister, but I’ll tell you what, I did not like the way it shot, it was just too puffy, and the shot had no satisfactory quality to it
Sorry I have a soccer game I’ll be back tho
Wow , always 70 degrees? Are you in SoCal?
I live in SoCal and it’s not always 70 degrees… that’s in the fall and spring. Summer here reaches 84-102 during the summer lately…
Hey Brad!!! Off topic- are you still using the hero5 session for video? What settings do you use? I just bought one.....
Yep still am. 4k 30p, PT is what I remember at least.
Since I’ve grabbed my geo 4, my cs2 has been relegated to mech lol.
My cs2 is a display now lol
You swapped the geo1 and 2 in the into.
Do a review on defy vertex
The Geo 4 is 100% the exact same gun as a CS1 internally; there isn't a single difference. Literally the same. Same board, same core, same reg. It's the same. It's a CS1 with an updated body and ergos.
Also, current pricing has the Geo 4 $50 less than a CS2, not $400.
I was going to say the same thing, even look at that trigger guard, exact same. I went all in on the CS2 pro HK alien edition and am so happy! Can't wait to play tomorrow!
There is one difference.
@@nanoverse its not a cs2
The bolt is the better soft touch.
perfekt Video, thx
Solid aluminum vs cast aluminum probably.
Just get a M2 Mosair or M3 Mosair...got the m2 and I'll never go back.
Pictures of geo 1 and 2 are switched...
the nvidia of paintball
Gamma core or IV core?
I would rather have the Geo4, but also think the GammaCore more.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife soft tip bolt or hard tip bolt for either the gamma or iv core? Cant seem to find a true answer. Which one do you use?
Is the SFR like the Dwell adjustment on spool valve guns?
No. Dwell time = the amount of time the solenoid is charged, which ultimately determines how long the bolt is in the forward position during the cycle. The SFR is exactly what it says - it restricts the exhaust flow rate from the solenoid. In the CS1/Geo 4 arrangement, the solenoid acts as an air sear and has to dump a small volume of air to allow the shot chamber to push the bolt forward. The rate at which that volume of air holding the bolt back is vented controls how quickly the bolt accelerates.
@@axledog7297 he says it slows the bolts foward speed. I use to do that on dye markers using the lpr. Is that similar as the sfr?
if you're familiar with how a qev works on a cocker or an ion, the SFR is pretty much the exact same thing but with an adjustable flow rate
@@ashravenpb yeah I am used to the front blocks on cockers. Seems like a ego and a spool had a baby, haha!
@@PropDusting Not really.
Pressure x surface area = force. Adjusting the regulator *within it's working range* has very little effect on the bolt's acceleration profile. The force in which the bolt is driven forward is what you're adjusting so, realistically, adjusting the LPR is pretty pointless in most cases, which continues to be highly misunderstood.
The SFR provides a far more effective method of control via flow restriction. The LV is a good example - set the LPR to 75-85 psi for a strong, reliable cycle and use the SFRs as the tuning apparatus. If you watch Brad's recent LV1.6 video, he incorrectly mentions the LPR as the reason the LV platform is so "tuneable", which couldn't be further from the truth. Contrary to popular belief, that's not the point of an LPR, but it is the point of the SFRs.
damn those g6rs had the worst FSD
I don’t know how you could dislike eclipse cases best cases out there. Sure they don’t flex but they protect your guns bad that’s all that matters
Id rather have an aluminum case.
I love my bebula cs1 I awesome anyone who complains about them have childish hands lol
Give it time, they’ll replace your tigger with a touchpad 😂
Keep selling those pew pews
Any1 notice geo1 is the 2 is and 2 is the 1 🤣