Hey quick message from me (Jack, the guy in the videos). Thanks for all the support on this video and all the others on this channel, really wild to see it blow up so fast. One thing I would like to note though. Some people, primarily those defending Elon, have taken to the comments to question the objectivity and impartiality of this video. That’s a fair critique, this video isn’t totally neutral, but it wasn’t trying to be. For those of you who don’t know, TLDR also run a number of other news TH-cam channels where we make apolitical and neutral news content. However, this isn’t a news channel, it doesn’t fall under the same umbrella. Now that doesn’t mean I want to mislead, lie or fabricate on this channel. We’re still sticking to the facts and the reality, but when it comes to business I’m willing to throw in a little more spice. You might not agree with my takes on things, that’s fine. But I think there’s absolutely nothing incorrect in this video, just maybe a take that you disagree with. Feel free to comment about that, and I’ll try to respond, but please realise that this channel isn’t aiming for total neutrality - rather factual, semi-opinionated news reporting. There’s no agenda, it’s just my interpretation of events, as someone who’s not only running a small business, but also someone who’s worked on digital marketing for one of the huge brands mentioned in this video. If that doesn’t sit right with you that’s 100% fine, I just wanted to set expectations & explain the separation of Business and News content - Jack
It would be nice if you just verbally separate your opinion from the facts, so I know the difference. Even better, why not cite people on both sides? e.g. "xxx from wall street thinks twitter is gonna burn" or something. Just my two cents though. I never really comment, but have followed you since you only had 1 channel with like 30k subs.
@@DarkFruitsAnimation What do you call trying to persuade the public with positive news after your social media company has sailed through a shit storm that makes people doubt its longevity tremendously?
the y axis being all over the place was intentional, it makes marginal gains seem massive, and wrong choice of axis in graphs is one of the most common ways to make them misleading without publishing false information. Also, out of all the metrics, he only chose to post these because they were the positive ones, I am pretty sure there are bad ones that he just did not tell everyone about.
Some other tips to manipulate your data: Add some sneaky logarithmic scales in there. Choose your time frame as it suits you. Just leave out details on what the axis actually stands for or even numbers in general. Truncuate your graph. Add more divisions on your y axis.
"The latest data... AS SHARED BY ELON!" Yeah... We can truly trust the data shared by the guy notorious for BS'ing investors about having secured government funding when he hadn't. Nothing to be suspicious about here.
What big person in business hasn't lied to Investors. In any case he wouldn't like because the repercussions if people find out he had lied would massively outweigh any benefit from lying. Not to mention if he lied he'd put way better data. So it make absolutely no sense for him to lie
Those graphs have very narrow timeframes and definitely look more like something from a pitch deck than actually analysis. New sign ups on a platform known for spam accounts in the middle of a dumster fire take over aren't a reliable metric. Something indicating long term engagement would be far better
@@loowyatt6463 Straight up lying is amateur hour. (Not to mention potentially illegal, although the laws are less strict for privately held organizations.) The way anyone with an above room-temp IQ does it is mislead, misrepresent, misdirect, selectively conceal. Partially why they were giving him such a hard time over his graphs. You can be pretty sure that any metric he didn't make public probably isn't doing very well. For example, he didn't make any financial or advertiser data public, even in a misleading form, like a lot of this data was. If Twitter moderation is restored to EU and advertiser satisfaction then perhaps he can turn it around, and then I guarantee you he'll be bragging about it regardless of what state Twitter's in. But it's far too soon to blindly prophecy (A) success for a man who's never managed a company outside of finance or engineering, never managed a non-startup, never had to work with advertisers, and seems openly contemptuous of the idea that he has anything to learn, or (B) failure for a company with a highly successful bare-minimum product and locked-in userbase.
Elon Musk is a genius. He just won a huge battle with Apple that 100% absolutely definitely happened…and wasn’t just him repeatedly punching himself in the face while blaming Apple for it. Anybody who believes Elon Musk at this point deserves what they get.
Funny that Elon spent all that time saying the monetizeable users were actually all bots, and now he’s peddling those exact same metrics as completely truthful.
people joining and being on Twitter currently being a "good thing" is like someone's house burning down, people coming to watch, and then saying "look at all these people, I have never had so many visitors!"
Especially since the more people who use Twitter, the more resources the site needs, so if those visitors aren't translating into advertising revenue, all that traffic is doing is making things harder. It's a bit like if you have a toll bridge, then you stop getting money for your toll bridge, and also you've lit the bridge on fire. More people using the bridge is not an improvement in that case.
I like "Rome has never been so brightly lit! -Nero" as the main joke. Really sells that Twitter burning down is going to impact more than just Musk. And it's doubtful that Eloon is going to actually feel anything to start with.
Comments like this aren't going to age well. Elon may be a lot of things but he's very a good business man. People don't seem to understand that you have to break a egg before you can make a omelet. None of his plans are supposed to make loads of money tomorrow, it's a long term plan
@@loowyatt6463 He and his 44 billion dollars in loans and 1 billion a year in interest seem to indicate that he kind of needs profit *now*. Not in a year or two, now. Cleaning the C-level executives is breaking eggs. Firing/bullying-to-quit 3/4 of the staff is more like throwing eggs at your own house.
Yes, Twitter's numbers are up; it's called Rubbernecking. Rubberneck has been described as a human trait associated with morbid curiosity. It is often the cause of traffic jams, sometimes referred to as "gapers' block" or "gapers' delay."
I will cry if he fails because I am a huge Elon simp, just like you. Kidding, man. I'm more into his SpaceX endeavors. I don't know why he had to get himself into this twitter bullsh**. Seems like a bonehead move to me. He won't get to Mars if he's messin' around with Twitter all day. And I am excited about these manned Mars missions, he needs to chill and drop a little bit of that ego.
@@SRMoore1178 i just find it funny how people are siding with the cooperate media just to take him down, because he wants free speech, they just hate losing their control over speech
While I'm expecting there to be a lot of new bots, also a lot of people started new accounts when he completely botched the blue tick subscription. They spent 8 dollars to make a fake account and then they all got booted for taking the piss
@@benfulford3943 I doubt it was a significant number of people willing to spend $8 just to take a piss at Elon. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands but that's still nothing compared to the supposed 2 million daily new users. Probably a lot Elon fanboys and bots.
I'm one of them, never used twitter before signed up yesterday. It shows a lot when people are afraid of free speech. I couldn't care less about people's hurt feelings.
@@edddie7563 I mean yeah is really horrible data that means nothing if you really know about statistics and how companies and other manipulate them to tell a story, like using logarithmic scales, different time frames, etc
@@edddie7563 Yeah, but filtering for a metric as complex as "monetizable users" is very difficult. Since it's quite strongly dependant on bot detection and such. So this could easily be the bot detection just getting way more permissive, counting more bots as users. Either maliciously or incompetently, since presumably that department has been down-sized as well.
@@toboterxp8155 yes but it doesn’t matter, twitter before elon would include bots as well cuz it makes them look better. they would just pretend to not notice uno
New signups figures don't meant anything. I remember Google+ boasting "record new signups" and claiming to be the "fastest growing social media platform" with graphs to show. But what they didn't say is that this was the result of them forcing a Google+ account on everyone who had a Google-related account such as GMail and TH-cam. Nobody was actually using the platform still and we all know how it ended for Google+ despite those impressive-looking, yet hollow numbers. It is perfectly possible that all those new accounts for Twitter are bots or trolls coming over to contribute to the dumpster fire with no intent to provide real contribution.
The hate speech thing is also suspect considering they simply aren't addressing a lot of hate speech on the platform. It's like saying "robberies are down 50%" because they decided to just not address 50% of all robberies anymore lol
I assume the spike was from when everyone was like "omg free speech on twitter" and that it just kinda died down a bit by now. Its still there by large amounts but not as much as during the aquisition
@@yoshyoka he could rent some creative people with that kind of money. Lol. Spend $30bn on a new app, then buy Twitter for $13bn and add it to the ElonApp. And still save $1bn.
@@Heretowatchstuff honestly, I'd probably trust that MORE than trying to turn twitter into an everything app. I don't think I could ever trust twitter with all that's going on. I've never been on it, and nothing that I'm seeing now is compelling me to want to try.
He said he'd buy Twitter sight unseen and it's been one impulsive choice after another ever since. I don't know that he knows how to build a development team especially when he fired and hires back people over the course of a week. You'd think he'd at least run an audit of the assets before doing his performance art but that'd get in the way of Ultra Instinct mode.
Wechat works because they have no other options. The chinese have very few choices with apps. We have options. If twitter tries this, it will sink like a bowling ball in a pond.
@@couldntmixapotnoodle bots I understand but what's the problem with trolls and racists. More trolls with growing user count means it's a more funny place. More racists with a growing user count means whites wanted blacks out of their social media platform and blacks are obliging them by quitting. (MORE HERE MEANS AS A PERCENTAGE(%) OF USERBASE)
And the decline in hate speech is probably due to the cut back of the moderation team as well. It's not that theres less hate speech, theres just less people to catch and stop it.
The list there doesn't come close to doing justice the extent of WeChat's features. There are these things you can join that are like chat groups except they're like low-code-programmed environments that can do anything through apis. E.g. if you walk into a shopping mall and join their "gong zhong hao", you can then view heat maps of the mall, parking occupancy, maps etc. If you don't have wechat in China you're basically f***ed. The only reason this can take off in China is because the government allows it to gain total dominance so that they only have to control one company to control the entire nation.
If he doesn't get advertisement money, twitter is gonna be done, no mater how many new users sign up. And to be honest after the tweets he sent to Tim Cook, why would any company want to invest in a guy who treats their clients like hostages?
More users doesnt mean twitter will succeed. A ship can still sink even if everyone is onboard. Advertisers and data collection is social media's bread n butter.
I dont think he understands appeal, I used twitter and reddit, mainly because it wasn't bloated like facebook, now he wants it to bloat. At least in the west especially among young people, they like to keep things separate, and putting all eggs in one basket doesn't seem wise. Also while not we chat google and apple ecosystems basically do the same function, but unlike we chat, they blend into the background. Why would I install an app to do things my phone already does then.
Expecting originality from Elon is too much to ask, he just knows how to take ideas of others and present themselves as his, PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX all of them are literally the product of someone else's labour he just likes to take credit.
Why would everything even need to be in one app? A smart phone is easy enough to use. Also, this would require tight security and I wouldn’t trust that to a man who carelessly cut off 2FA.
@@JoshuaValentine He wasn't reelected, he may be indicted for the stolen docs, for Jan 6 and then for his business dealings in NY. Not exactly his personal goals.
There has recently been a huge surge in Chinese bot activity on twitter in response to the protests going on there. If you search any of the places where protests are going on (I believe using the Chinese characters) you get flooded with spam and porn. So yeah good work Elon getting rid of the bots
@@xxJJBOSSxx You don't really need an account if you want to view Twitter. It's highly likely that it's bots, and fake accounts that want to use the $8 blue check, along with the regular trickle of legitimate new users.
you only have to look at Twitter's performance on Google Trends to see there's no real increase in interest in the platform, which throws elon's slides into high skeptic territory
I'm a relatively new sign up (since summer). I only signed up because of a pop up that blocked me from viewing the content. They even managed to ban me for some bs even though I haven't posted/liked/reposted anything (maybe they were checking if I'm a bot?)
Without sharing how the stats were collected, it's not possible to judge how twitter is doing. Reclassify hate speech? Suddenly it's going down. Reclassify who counts as a new user? Line goes up.
Hey TLDR! I just wanna say I've been a fan of your work for awhile and I really appreciate the effort you all go threw to bring us the news every day like this. You guys are amazing.
There's a lot of people exiting birdapp for other social media platforms, and I suspect there are also a lot of people who are leaving it and not bothering to migrate to new platforms. There's also a lot of people creating accounts b/c they want to see what is happening on the site, but will likely not stick around. And of course, lots of musky sycophants. I don't think things will continue this way without a big change in management.
These ideas for Twitter 2.0 seem pretty good... in like 2015. Back when the secure DM and payment apps were starting to take off and there was room to compete in the space, they might have had a chance.
Not a single one of these graphs seems to show a trend that started after his acquisition, unless the years indicated are just totally screwed up. The trends all seem to start even before he announced interest in buying it at all.
Well, publishing provably wrong data sounds like a big risk. That's the sort of thing that can lose you a case for defrauding investors. More likely, the data is cherry-picked and presented in a way to make it seem as good as possible.
@@alimfuzzy well if there are no investors to convince, what's the point in lying about the numbers? To brag? It's a huge risk, it would eventually come out. Musk has a track record of saying exactly what he thinks which has put him in all sorts of trouble (over promising, troubles with the SEC, making a ton of ennemies) and he says a lot of stupid things. But out of all the stupid things he's said, he doesn't have a record of lying It's also time and resource consuming.
One reason for the decrease in hate speech numbers can be that many people who would previously report hateful tweets have left the platform or have given up reporting.
Would guess the growth is mostly bots ironically… Twitter will get money, but probably from not reputable sources. It’ll survive until people move on from the platform.
I dont post on twitter. Ive retweeted a whole 2 things before. I have 70 bot accounts following me, if everyones account is like mine, there is a shitload of bots that nobody seems to want to do anything about.
Given his fascination with WeChat, its hard to not use that as a potential blueprint for what he's aiming. But even if you compare it to an app like the starbucks app. If twitter decides to introduce a wallet, and allow people to use it to buy things. It can act as an interest free loan for twitter to prop up their cash reserves.
The problem with gg into the payment industry is that it is extremely competitive these days. Like why would you put your money on the twitter app over let's say Samsung pay/apple pay/Google pay/ whatever equalivalent you have in ur region
As a lifelong data analyst, I can say that it is possible to produce almost any graph shape from any data data source without lying, just by selecting proper methodics...
"The value of information is determined by the reliability of the source." A quote from Angels and Demons, which is kind of ironic, I'll admit, that book has very little basis in actual science or history, but a great quote nonetheless. To apply it here, the source of the information is the one guy who stands to benefit the most from Twitter looking good at the moment, which means it should be taken with very big grains of salt.
though, as a private company aren't there now zero laws requiring any truth to public announcements regarding the business? in the past i used to somewhat trust direct statements about a corporation's objective stats not because i thought they don't want to lie but because they could get in legal trouble for misleading shareholders.
I believe annual reports and official balance reports to e.g. tax agencies are subject to a variety of laws, but stuff like this (or the big disney/apple/etc conferences) are just "marketing"
"Everything" functionality (and even branding) has a very long history of doing well in APAC and weirdly poorly in the west. Yahoo's sprawling homepage did really well in Asia versus Google's single clean search bar; but exactly the reverse was true in the accessible developed markets, handing Google the win... But even today, Asian customers are perfectly happy for conglomerate brands to be on everything from phones to movie studios - whereas in the west that kind of thing is seen most commonly in dystopian fiction. (Even though corporate structures are basically the same in both regions; western consumers just hate being reminded of it.) Even college humor did a parody of "everything apps" like 10 years ago. Also, payments requires a higher security standard, and I'm curious to know how well that's going to work if Twitter doesn't even have the security staff necessary to prevent something like the bot swarm that just happened to drown out the lockdown protests. Also also: WeChat is sometimes *required* for payments in China, because it's easier for the government to monitor and control your access to money, which would be a PR landmine if that's how the service is perceived.
Maybe it's because USA and Europe were the early adopters for the internet and remember the time when internet was completely free of corporations. Because the first internet generation grew up with variety, variety became desirable. Because variety is desirable, there are many options on the market that try to fill every niche, then another generation grows up with variety and the cycle continues. Meanwhile, adoption of smartphone and computer technology was slower in India, SEA and East Asia, who at that time were still economically catching up to the West. So those people's first interaction with internet was usually Facebook or some local app that acted like an entire Internet for them and they never learned how to use a browser unless they were interested in technology. I'm assuming that, because this is exactly how late adopters to internet use it in the West.
Guys remember those deceptive ads by google claiming that the search button on a chrome is the "everything button" maybe Twitter is taking a play from google
Are hate speech and impressions ACTUALLY down or has he just fired too many of the team responsible for that to get the real numbers? I'm unspeakably skeptical.
I actually specifically want a western version of WeChat, as it just makes so much sense. I do not want, nor do I think Elon / Twitter can pull it off. As for his statistics, they are very cherry-picked and honestly makes me feel like things are even worse than we think.
Yeah I just don't see people really going for payment apps. after all the time around many places don't use them at all, and many people just don't use them.
It’s very very early to be making predictions and I’ll be closely following the Twitter story for the next 2 - 3 years. The success of TH-cam is “mostly” down to the incentives it offers creators. Can Elon offer bigger incentives and still make a profit? The success of PayPal is down the convenience of being able to send money to 100+ countries for a small fee. This is a regulatory nightmare ! Let’s discuss this again in June 2023 😺 !
LOL hate speech impressions are down because he has gutted the moderation team and changed what is hate speech. The increased users could just be more bots being allowed in and the owners of them being more confident they'll get away with it.
Now that the video's mentioned it, I can't think of any of Elon Musk's successful ventures that *didn't* have some kind of first movers advantage. Starlink is probably the closest you can get, but even that one has the whole set up your own tower thing to make it stand out.
Elon Musk as the private owner of Twitter feels so strange. It's like we landed on an alternative timeline. I am wondering how he will get his invested money back (ROI). The future of Twitter doesn't look very promising.
I think the next big social media app will be a social market place. I mean by this a space where people can socialise whilst being completely in control of their data and how it is used and where it goes. Data is the currency of the online world and is also a source of great power and influence. As people are realising this I believe a big shift is coming and the next Facebook or Twitter will get on this concept early so when the shift happens people will have a starter place to migrate to.
I get that it's rather important news, but I'm also getting a bit tiered of hearing about this guy every day. There must be something more important for you guys to report on than Elon doing dumb stuff for a 100th time this week.
Trueee but I think this is okay for this channel. I do think they should have multiple talking points about other topics and considering that they are still a young channel
@@Bingiisyaboi29 I agree with you that he's a reasonably good subject, especially for their business channel. It's just that as of now, about 50% of their videos here revolve about him. It's just a bit too much, especially since the man basically lives of publicity.
They are a TH-cam channel. They have to respond to the algorithm. Musk is driving clicks and engagement. You clicking on the video then commenting will mean the algorithm will push this video more almost guaranteeing they'll make more videos on the topic. If you aren't interested don't watch it
Twitter is not really the kind of social media app you use for communicating with your friends and relatives. It's "good" (actually terrible) for PR and public debate, but a much smaller segment of the population is interested in that. On top of that most existing users are probably using it more as news reader with commenting function and not to create a public persona, so why would they pay for the ability to make longer tweets?
I have love TLDR news since Brexit. Excellent coverage. But talking about Elon Musk's Twitter acquisition, there is a smugness and a rush to call fail that distance the channel from being informative to being opinionated and trying to preview the future. Not great.
I am skeptical about this uptick in new users. Since many of these new users may just be people making new accounts for new users names to get in on the meme, and new users flocking to the site to witness the chaos. And neither of these seem sustainable to me. Since a majority of these new users will probably leave once the novelty wears off. As we’ve seen with viral internet moments, it’s incredibly hard to make a career out of them. Much less a company.
Instead of improving the features that are already there. They rather plan on doing something that other apps are already doing better. The exact same problem that Meta and Instagram have made, which drastically ruined Instagram in the long run out of desperation. So far I don't think anyone could predict the outcome, I guess we'll just have to wait and see
Twitter has been doing that their entire history so far, just improving current features. Considering the business was loosing millions a year clearly that plan doesn't work. Will musk's plan work, who knows, but clearly something different needed to be done with Twitter. Also stealing features is something that's been very successful for most social media sites. Instagram story is a good example, they stole it from Snapchat and now have over double the amount of users using it compared to Snapchat. Stealing features always is something that gets a small groups of people drummed up but the evidence shows it's he best method. Frankly once someone gets used to using a feature, they're unlikely to move to another app unless it also has that feature
He's knackered and he knows it. The reason he tried to pull out of the deal - aside from the fact Twitter was pretty much always a disaster from a business perspective - is that the interest rates are going up to cool off the 'high growth' innovation sector and drive progress in other areas. So the tsunami of cheap cash needed to fix Twitter - if it can ever be fixed - is going to be expensive and in short supply. This is where hubris gets you I guess.
I think that you might be sleeping on the advertising as entertainment angle. Lots of people use social media for role-play blogging. Role-play blogs are accounts dedicated to one or multiple characters, usually belonging to an existing franchise or written to belong in that franchise (so-called 'canon characters' and 'original characters'). It is an underserved market, but role-players tend to be wildly loyal consumers. Basically, a lot of so-called parody accounts are actually role-play account. You could make a couple of changes to the platform to make roleplay more accessible. 1. You could centralize parody accounts in a parent-child relationship under a single writer account and have the parody accounts share features with the writer account; If you block or are blocked on one parody account, the block should extend to all parody accounts both ways. That makes it much easier to manage if someone expresses their freedoms and blocks you on one account without you knowing about it, so that you won't be accused or tempted into block-evading. 2. Official Game Master tools; In addition to free-form roleplay, there's roleplay using existing systems, the most famous of which is Dungeons & Dragons. It would be great if Twitter launched tools that would allow users on the platform to, say, add meter bars to a thread that they can add or decrease and include a dice rolling algorithm with an API to allow users to roll dice for each account. Look at Roll20 for examples of those. Though these tools sound unambitious, with enough users (of which Twitter has an enormous amount), the same tools used for role-play can probably find niche uses elsewhere. X. Unrelated to advertising as entertainment; As someone wisely said recently; Moderation is the product. So, to improve moderation, you need to give users more moderation tools. And while moderation in an absolutist free speech environment might seem difficult, filtering your timeline is also a form of moderation. Twitter could overhaul it's tag system to make it easier to filter out results that you do not want. Rather than storing tags as part of the text of each tweet, tags should be stored outside of it. What's more, tags should come with logic statements. Basically, have the search results follow simple logic and allow posts to include strings of logic to respond to certain search queries and allow users who are not the original creator to assign those tags. For example NOT(SFW) should be searchable if Twitter wants to keep it's porn and keep it searchable, but you should also be able to mark that a certain post should be considered NOT(SFW), if for no other reason than to make it easier for an algorithm to double-check if it is indeed NOT(SFW).
Other features that would improve Twitter: The ability to create multiple circles and having all circle functionalities in both mobile and desktop versions in all regions. Allowing Moments to be created on mobile and allowing people to opt out of Moments notifications. Generally, I don't see a particular reason why people need to be notified by default about a Moment.
Tying the reason for blocking someone to a specific post and adding an optional rule that says that everyone who liked and retweeted that post should also be blocked. For example, this could be because the post has child exploitation in it; You'd want to block everyone that thought that post needed to exist. This way, people must commit themselves to a particular reason why someone was blocked, rather than building a giant list of nameless, faceless people you blocked in some nebulous past. It takes more commitment.
google's services are already close to being an everything app. Because they are different apps, we don't realise that our emails, payments, documents, storage... are already controlled by one entity
If he can add a decent marketplace with paypal style service would be a good start for that everything plan with good possibility for profitability. Not sure if everything app can work in a Western environment. It works better in East Asian markets where they are overly protective of their own markets.
@@rachebrother5349 Libra was more like crypto afaik. Facebook Marketplace is a thing, but it's budget e-bay. Great for countries that didn't have e-bay like sites
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Hey quick message from me (Jack, the guy in the videos). Thanks for all the support on this video and all the others on this channel, really wild to see it blow up so fast.
One thing I would like to note though. Some people, primarily those defending Elon, have taken to the comments to question the objectivity and impartiality of this video. That’s a fair critique, this video isn’t totally neutral, but it wasn’t trying to be.
For those of you who don’t know, TLDR also run a number of other news TH-cam channels where we make apolitical and neutral news content. However, this isn’t a news channel, it doesn’t fall under the same umbrella.
Now that doesn’t mean I want to mislead, lie or fabricate on this channel. We’re still sticking to the facts and the reality, but when it comes to business I’m willing to throw in a little more spice.
You might not agree with my takes on things, that’s fine. But I think there’s absolutely nothing incorrect in this video, just maybe a take that you disagree with. Feel free to comment about that, and I’ll try to respond, but please realise that this channel isn’t aiming for total neutrality - rather factual, semi-opinionated news reporting. There’s no agenda, it’s just my interpretation of events, as someone who’s not only running a small business, but also someone who’s worked on digital marketing for one of the huge brands mentioned in this video.
If that doesn’t sit right with you that’s 100% fine, I just wanted to set expectations & explain the separation of Business and News content - Jack
It would be nice if you just verbally separate your opinion from the facts, so I know the difference. Even better, why not cite people on both sides? e.g. "xxx from wall street thinks twitter is gonna burn" or something.
Just my two cents though. I never really comment, but have followed you since you only had 1 channel with like 30k subs.
This is just damage control PR bullshit.
@@onsokumaru4663 Damage control? There's no damage though.....
@@DarkFruitsAnimation What do you call trying to persuade the public with positive news after your social media company has sailed through a shit storm that makes people doubt its longevity tremendously?
@@onsokumaru4663 ?? TLDR literally hasn't sailed through any shitstorms though....
the y axis being all over the place was intentional, it makes marginal gains seem massive, and wrong choice of axis in graphs is one of the most common ways to make them misleading without publishing false information. Also, out of all the metrics, he only chose to post these because they were the positive ones, I am pretty sure there are bad ones that he just did not tell everyone about.
Some other tips to manipulate your data:
Add some sneaky logarithmic scales in there.
Choose your time frame as it suits you.
Just leave out details on what the axis actually stands for or even numbers in general.
Truncuate your graph.
Add more divisions on your y axis.
@@MuhammedChand or he faked it all deliberately to lure back in some of the advertisers
Oh yeah those bad ones that show them losing subscribers!
thank you for sharing this
can you please point me towards a video that explains this? thank you.
@@khayreddinekhayro7108 I think this video explains it pretty well th-cam.com/video/E91bGT9BjYk/w-d-xo.html
"The latest data... AS SHARED BY ELON!"
Yeah... We can truly trust the data shared by the guy notorious for BS'ing investors about having secured government funding when he hadn't. Nothing to be suspicious about here.
Yeah that's where I stopped I don't think Elon has any credibility whatsoever right now
What big person in business hasn't lied to Investors. In any case he wouldn't like because the repercussions if people find out he had lied would massively outweigh any benefit from lying. Not to mention if he lied he'd put way better data. So it make absolutely no sense for him to lie
Those graphs have very narrow timeframes and definitely look more like something from a pitch deck than actually analysis. New sign ups on a platform known for spam accounts in the middle of a dumster fire take over aren't a reliable metric. Something indicating long term engagement would be far better
@@loowyatt6463 Straight up lying is amateur hour. (Not to mention potentially illegal, although the laws are less strict for privately held organizations.)
The way anyone with an above room-temp IQ does it is mislead, misrepresent, misdirect, selectively conceal. Partially why they were giving him such a hard time over his graphs. You can be pretty sure that any metric he didn't make public probably isn't doing very well. For example, he didn't make any financial or advertiser data public, even in a misleading form, like a lot of this data was.
If Twitter moderation is restored to EU and advertiser satisfaction then perhaps he can turn it around, and then I guarantee you he'll be bragging about it regardless of what state Twitter's in. But it's far too soon to blindly prophecy (A) success for a man who's never managed a company outside of finance or engineering, never managed a non-startup, never had to work with advertisers, and seems openly contemptuous of the idea that he has anything to learn, or (B) failure for a company with a highly successful bare-minimum product and locked-in userbase.
Elon Musk is a genius. He just won a huge battle with Apple that 100% absolutely definitely happened…and wasn’t just him repeatedly punching himself in the face while blaming Apple for it.
Anybody who believes Elon Musk at this point deserves what they get.
Funny that Elon spent all that time saying the monetizeable users were actually all bots, and now he’s peddling those exact same metrics as completely truthful.
He's an asshole who cares about no one except him so I'm not surprised.
keep crying lmao
you haven't heard about how he cleaned house?
@@greenwave819 He cleaned out the staff, not bots. Now there is no one to catch bots anymore.
@@ahmadness6995 keep bootlicking lmaooo
people joining and being on Twitter currently being a "good thing" is like someone's house burning down, people coming to watch, and then saying "look at all these people, I have never had so many visitors!"
Especially since the more people who use Twitter, the more resources the site needs, so if those visitors aren't translating into advertising revenue, all that traffic is doing is making things harder. It's a bit like if you have a toll bridge, then you stop getting money for your toll bridge, and also you've lit the bridge on fire. More people using the bridge is not an improvement in that case.
I like "Rome has never been so brightly lit! -Nero" as the main joke. Really sells that Twitter burning down is going to impact more than just Musk. And it's doubtful that Eloon is going to actually feel anything to start with.
Comments like this aren't going to age well. Elon may be a lot of things but he's very a good business man. People don't seem to understand that you have to break a egg before you can make a omelet. None of his plans are supposed to make loads of money tomorrow, it's a long term plan
"Also, these people are the warmest they ever been ! "
@@loowyatt6463 He and his 44 billion dollars in loans and 1 billion a year in interest seem to indicate that he kind of needs profit *now*. Not in a year or two, now.
Cleaning the C-level executives is breaking eggs. Firing/bullying-to-quit 3/4 of the staff is more like throwing eggs at your own house.
I look forward to the future *tldr BUSINESS* video on _"Why Elon's graphs were misleading"._
I look forward to them having an evidence tag on them.
@@anderssorenson9998 evidence 1: badly labeled axis
Yes, Twitter's numbers are up; it's called Rubbernecking.
Rubberneck has been described as a human trait associated with morbid curiosity. It is often the cause of traffic jams, sometimes referred to as "gapers' block" or "gapers' delay."
keep crying lmao
@@ahmadness6995 no u elon stan
@@TisDansk i will be whatever it takes to make u guys trigger cry cry lololol
Makes sense, because I really wanted to make an account just to watch him tweet while eating popcorn lmao
@@fammnak852 now thats something i would raise my glass for! cheers!
i don't see how elon's going to turn twitter into wechat with no employees.
😂😂😂
By sleeping in the office and working really hard!! #TrueBeliever
@@ahmadness6995 Why are you spamming this on every comment
I will cry if he fails because I am a huge Elon simp, just like you. Kidding, man. I'm more into his SpaceX endeavors. I don't know why he had to get himself into this twitter bullsh**. Seems like a bonehead move to me. He won't get to Mars if he's messin' around with Twitter all day. And I am excited about these manned Mars missions, he needs to chill and drop a little bit of that ego.
@@SRMoore1178 i just find it funny how people are siding with the cooperate media just to take him down, because he wants free speech, they just hate losing their control over speech
Does the number of signups include parody accounts people made to troll companies for 8$ or are those filtered out?
Yep, pretty sure those millions of new users are totally definitely all real people...
Absolutely no doubt..
While I'm expecting there to be a lot of new bots, also a lot of people started new accounts when he completely botched the blue tick subscription. They spent 8 dollars to make a fake account and then they all got booted for taking the piss
@@benfulford3943 I doubt it was a significant number of people willing to spend $8 just to take a piss at Elon. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands but that's still nothing compared to the supposed 2 million daily new users. Probably a lot Elon fanboys and bots.
I'm one of them, never used twitter before signed up yesterday. It shows a lot when people are afraid of free speech. I couldn't care less about people's hurt feelings.
"Alright everyone, roll out the bot army. If we don't feed the boss' delusions,we might end up needing to work for the fruit loop over at Meta"
Honestly, given he fired most of the stats department, I'm pretty sure this data is crap.
Wah wah wah! 😢
u only need 1 person to pull these stats genius
@@edddie7563 I mean yeah is really horrible data that means nothing if you really know about statistics and how companies and other manipulate them to tell a story, like using logarithmic scales, different time frames, etc
@@edddie7563 Yeah, but filtering for a metric as complex as "monetizable users" is very difficult. Since it's quite strongly dependant on bot detection and such. So this could easily be the bot detection just getting way more permissive, counting more bots as users. Either maliciously or incompetently, since presumably that department has been down-sized as well.
@@toboterxp8155 yes but it doesn’t matter, twitter before elon would include bots as well cuz it makes them look better. they would just pretend to not notice uno
New signups figures don't meant anything. I remember Google+ boasting "record new signups" and claiming to be the "fastest growing social media platform" with graphs to show. But what they didn't say is that this was the result of them forcing a Google+ account on everyone who had a Google-related account such as GMail and TH-cam. Nobody was actually using the platform still and we all know how it ended for Google+ despite those impressive-looking, yet hollow numbers.
It is perfectly possible that all those new accounts for Twitter are bots or trolls coming over to contribute to the dumpster fire with no intent to provide real contribution.
yes, this hypothesis is in fact backed up by twitter's lack of increased search activity or web traffic on Google Trends
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The hate speech thing is also suspect considering they simply aren't addressing a lot of hate speech on the platform. It's like saying "robberies are down 50%" because they decided to just not address 50% of all robberies anymore lol
"Hate speech" also needs to be defined because what he means is likely different than what people think of
I assume the spike was from when everyone was like "omg free speech on twitter" and that it just kinda died down a bit by now. Its still there by large amounts but not as much as during the aquisition
I don’t understand why he didn’t just spend $44 billion building a new app.
You would need to be creative to do that...
@@yoshyoka he could rent some creative people with that kind of money. Lol. Spend $30bn on a new app, then buy Twitter for $13bn and add it to the ElonApp. And still save $1bn.
@@Heretowatchstuff honestly, I'd probably trust that MORE than trying to turn twitter into an everything app. I don't think I could ever trust twitter with all that's going on. I've never been on it, and nothing that I'm seeing now is compelling me to want to try.
His MO has always been to buy companies and include the "founder" title in the deal, so I guess he just did what he's always done.
He said he'd buy Twitter sight unseen and it's been one impulsive choice after another ever since.
I don't know that he knows how to build a development team especially when he fired and hires back people over the course of a week. You'd think he'd at least run an audit of the assets before doing his performance art but that'd get in the way of Ultra Instinct mode.
Wechat works because they have no other options.
The chinese have very few choices with apps.
We have options.
If twitter tries this, it will sink like a bowling ball in a pond.
This is like the police investigating themselves and finding nothing wrong 🤣
The people that record and plot all that data were fired. Jimmy from the mail room does a decent job of hand-drawing convincing looking charts though.
He has no moderation team, without ever having a Twitter account, I can almost garrentee that the growing graph is bots and Trolls.
You forgot racists
@@couldntmixapotnoodle bots I understand but what's the problem with trolls and racists. More trolls with growing user count means it's a more funny place. More racists with a growing user count means whites wanted blacks out of their social media platform and blacks are obliging them by quitting. (MORE HERE MEANS AS A PERCENTAGE(%) OF USERBASE)
Kind of ironic as Musk tried to use bots as an excuse to back out from buying Twitter...
@@couldntmixapotnoodle And news media and SJWs.
And the decline in hate speech is probably due to the cut back of the moderation team as well. It's not that theres less hate speech, theres just less people to catch and stop it.
Elon Musk: I like Free Speech
Also Elon Musk: Copies the design of an app used in an authoritarian nation
till you make fun of him lol
The list there doesn't come close to doing justice the extent of WeChat's features. There are these things you can join that are like chat groups except they're like low-code-programmed environments that can do anything through apis. E.g. if you walk into a shopping mall and join their "gong zhong hao", you can then view heat maps of the mall, parking occupancy, maps etc. If you don't have wechat in China you're basically f***ed.
The only reason this can take off in China is because the government allows it to gain total dominance so that they only have to control one company to control the entire nation.
Maybe that's why Elon wants to fund the GoP he needs a dictatorship
If he doesn't get advertisement money, twitter is gonna be done, no mater how many new users sign up. And to be honest after the tweets he sent to Tim Cook, why would any company want to invest in a guy who treats their clients like hostages?
More users doesnt mean twitter will succeed. A ship can still sink even if everyone is onboard. Advertisers and data collection is social media's bread n butter.
I dont think he understands appeal, I used twitter and reddit, mainly because it wasn't bloated like facebook, now he wants it to bloat. At least in the west especially among young people, they like to keep things separate, and putting all eggs in one basket doesn't seem wise. Also while not we chat google and apple ecosystems basically do the same function, but unlike we chat, they blend into the background. Why would I install an app to do things my phone already does then.
Expecting originality from Elon is too much to ask, he just knows how to take ideas of others and present themselves as his, PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX all of them are literally the product of someone else's labour he just likes to take credit.
So the new plan for Twitter is to become Tumbr with a Payment Processor?
The everything app is the meta equivalent of meta verse.
Why would everything even need to be in one app? A smart phone is easy enough to use.
Also, this would require tight security and I wouldn’t trust that to a man who carelessly cut off 2FA.
@@JoshuaValentine And Trump.
@@JoshuaValentine He wasn't reelected, he may be indicted for the stolen docs, for Jan 6 and then for his business dealings in NY. Not exactly his personal goals.
2M signups per day! Bots and fake accounts, if true
There has recently been a huge surge in Chinese bot activity on twitter in response to the protests going on there. If you search any of the places where protests are going on (I believe using the Chinese characters) you get flooded with spam and porn. So yeah good work Elon getting rid of the bots
@@xxJJBOSSxx You don't really need an account if you want to view Twitter. It's highly likely that it's bots, and fake accounts that want to use the $8 blue check, along with the regular trickle of legitimate new users.
you only have to look at Twitter's performance on Google Trends to see there's no real increase in interest in the platform, which throws elon's slides into high skeptic territory
I'm very curious how many of those new sign-ups are actually bot accounts created to take advantage of the current chaos.
I'm a relatively new sign up (since summer). I only signed up because of a pop up that blocked me from viewing the content.
They even managed to ban me for some bs even though I haven't posted/liked/reposted anything (maybe they were checking if I'm a bot?)
Sounds like he’s trying to pull advertisers back by releasing this information
Without sharing how the stats were collected, it's not possible to judge how twitter is doing. Reclassify hate speech? Suddenly it's going down. Reclassify who counts as a new user? Line goes up.
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I am betting 99.9% of the new accounts are bots if it anything by my account experience is like
The anger over poor graphs 😂😂 love it
No over the way they treat the people working for them ;)
The people making them knew they were getting fired as soon as they finished.
poor graphs indicate either incompetent analysis, or (more likely) intentional hiding of details to present a better story
Poor graphs are maddening.
There's a lot of people exiting birdapp for other social media platforms, and I suspect there are also a lot of people who are leaving it and not bothering to migrate to new platforms. There's also a lot of people creating accounts b/c they want to see what is happening on the site, but will likely not stick around. And of course, lots of musky sycophants. I don't think things will continue this way without a big change in management.
That's weird... Elon's concerns about bots have disappeared
it’s because they like his tweets now
These ideas for Twitter 2.0 seem pretty good... in like 2015. Back when the secure DM and payment apps were starting to take off and there was room to compete in the space, they might have had a chance.
Of course there are more sign ups! Twitter has been getting free publicity on every news channel for weeks now!
And still losing money
@@jtgd it’s always been losing money
Not a single one of these graphs seems to show a trend that started after his acquisition, unless the years indicated are just totally screwed up. The trends all seem to start even before he announced interest in buying it at all.
These slides were provided by Elon and you believe them?
jack did add some caveats early on the video
Well, publishing provably wrong data sounds like a big risk. That's the sort of thing that can lose you a case for defrauding investors. More likely, the data is cherry-picked and presented in a way to make it seem as good as possible.
@@DutchBlackMantha what investors...Twitter is private now. And it's impossible to verify without a leak.
Specially Elon, a ponzi schemer who continuously lies on anything he worked on.
@@alimfuzzy well if there are no investors to convince, what's the point in lying about the numbers? To brag? It's a huge risk, it would eventually come out.
Musk has a track record of saying exactly what he thinks which has put him in all sorts of trouble (over promising, troubles with the SEC, making a ton of ennemies) and he says a lot of stupid things. But out of all the stupid things he's said, he doesn't have a record of lying
It's also time and resource consuming.
Twitter 2.0 is gonna be as world-changing as Quibi.
Just because twitter isn't dead yet doesn't mean the ship won't run out of fuel and sink later.
No way on gods green earth is hate speech down, Twitter has literally never been more toxic. And that's saying something.
That’s like saying without Kim jong un suppressing free speech in North Korea, it would be a hellhole of mixed opinions.
this is the shit that comes out when you ass lick a malignant narcissist.
@@jacklight4721 truth hurts 😂 butthurt because you no longer have a monopoly on people’s thoughts 👍🏻
@@Phoenix-ov5gg cringeass rightoid L
@@batrachian149 butthurt wokoid, cry more 😂😂😂
"Sorry, the person that did the graphs was fired" - Twitter
However, their replacement is excellent and has just got a pay rise.
One reason for the decrease in hate speech numbers can be that many people who would previously report hateful tweets have left the platform or have given up reporting.
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Would guess the growth is mostly bots ironically… Twitter will get money, but probably from not reputable sources. It’ll survive until people move on from the platform.
I dont post on twitter.
Ive retweeted a whole 2 things before.
I have 70 bot accounts following me, if everyones account is like mine, there is a shitload of bots that nobody seems to want to do anything about.
Given his fascination with WeChat, its hard to not use that as a potential blueprint for what he's aiming. But even if you compare it to an app like the starbucks app. If twitter decides to introduce a wallet, and allow people to use it to buy things. It can act as an interest free loan for twitter to prop up their cash reserves.
The problem with gg into the payment industry is that it is extremely competitive these days. Like why would you put your money on the twitter app over let's say Samsung pay/apple pay/Google pay/ whatever equalivalent you have in ur region
@@Yami0to0hikari yeah, I don't even understand why people use some third party apps when I can just use my bank app OR pay directly with my card
@@Yami0to0hikari ur comparisons are completely irrelevant apple pay doesn’t store money
As a lifelong data analyst, I can say that it is possible to produce almost any graph shape from any data data source without lying, just by selecting proper methodics...
"The value of information is determined by the reliability of the source." A quote from Angels and Demons, which is kind of ironic, I'll admit, that book has very little basis in actual science or history, but a great quote nonetheless. To apply it here, the source of the information is the one guy who stands to benefit the most from Twitter looking good at the moment, which means it should be taken with very big grains of salt.
Tbh I'm kind of surprised Telegram is bigger than Twitter, it grows super fast :0
last time I was this early, Elon Musk didn't own twitter
Newsflash: it's possible to fake a graph
Exactly. And he is notorious for faking stuff and for his lies to inflate Tesla's value
Fake it till you make it. He's using this old trick. He seems desperate.
He is
I’m just waiting for the day Musk declares war on TLDR for the crime of graph hate 😂
Longer texts, videos, premium, own payment system and weird ads and encrypted messages?
WTF musk parodies Telegram?
Maybe he'll buy Telegram and rebrand it as Twitter - they both begin with a T!
@@soupwizard TLDR: 😱😱😱
You cracked me up with that jibe, "Thanks to Statistica for that proper adult graph....." I can feel the burn through the screen.
though, as a private company aren't there now zero laws requiring any truth to public announcements regarding the business? in the past i used to somewhat trust direct statements about a corporation's objective stats not because i thought they don't want to lie but because they could get in legal trouble for misleading shareholders.
I believe annual reports and official balance reports to e.g. tax agencies are subject to a variety of laws, but stuff like this (or the big disney/apple/etc conferences) are just "marketing"
"Everything" functionality (and even branding) has a very long history of doing well in APAC and weirdly poorly in the west. Yahoo's sprawling homepage did really well in Asia versus Google's single clean search bar; but exactly the reverse was true in the accessible developed markets, handing Google the win... But even today, Asian customers are perfectly happy for conglomerate brands to be on everything from phones to movie studios - whereas in the west that kind of thing is seen most commonly in dystopian fiction. (Even though corporate structures are basically the same in both regions; western consumers just hate being reminded of it.) Even college humor did a parody of "everything apps" like 10 years ago.
Also, payments requires a higher security standard, and I'm curious to know how well that's going to work if Twitter doesn't even have the security staff necessary to prevent something like the bot swarm that just happened to drown out the lockdown protests.
Also also: WeChat is sometimes *required* for payments in China, because it's easier for the government to monitor and control your access to money, which would be a PR landmine if that's how the service is perceived.
Maybe it's because USA and Europe were the early adopters for the internet and remember the time when internet was completely free of corporations. Because the first internet generation grew up with variety, variety became desirable. Because variety is desirable, there are many options on the market that try to fill every niche, then another generation grows up with variety and the cycle continues.
Meanwhile, adoption of smartphone and computer technology was slower in India, SEA and East Asia, who at that time were still economically catching up to the West. So those people's first interaction with internet was usually Facebook or some local app that acted like an entire Internet for them and they never learned how to use a browser unless they were interested in technology. I'm assuming that, because this is exactly how late adopters to internet use it in the West.
The only impressive thing about these graphs is their lack of quality control.
Guys remember those deceptive ads by google claiming that the search button on a chrome is the "everything button" maybe Twitter is taking a play from google
Are hate speech and impressions ACTUALLY down or has he just fired too many of the team responsible for that to get the real numbers? I'm unspeakably skeptical.
"A multi-billonaire with several under his belt will not be able resurrect an already failing social media company"?
I don't trust these graphs as far as I can throw them
Elon's choking on the _Red Pill_ he swallowed …
I actually specifically want a western version of WeChat, as it just makes so much sense. I do not want, nor do I think Elon / Twitter can pull it off.
As for his statistics, they are very cherry-picked and honestly makes me feel like things are even worse than we think.
Business that care about democracy, won't advertise there anymore.
Muskrat truly has gone far-right with his use of PragerU quality graphs! 🤣
Yeah I just don't see people really going for payment apps. after all the time around many places don't use them at all, and many people just don't use them.
Kind of skeptical of Elon’s graphs. It would be like Elon using a digital Sharpie like how Trump Sharpie-d a map.
It’s very very early to be making predictions and I’ll be closely following the Twitter story for the next 2 - 3 years.
The success of TH-cam is “mostly” down to the incentives it offers creators. Can Elon offer bigger incentives and still make a profit?
The success of PayPal is down the convenience of being able to send money to 100+ countries for a small fee. This is a regulatory nightmare !
Let’s discuss this again in June 2023 😺 !
I agree, TLDR making early predictions is just too premature
Could Twitter use Block for payments? Darcy owns Block (10% of it) and still has a sizeable stake in Twitter.
I left twitter the day he announced he was going to buy it
LOL hate speech impressions are down because he has gutted the moderation team and changed what is hate speech. The increased users could just be more bots being allowed in and the owners of them being more confident they'll get away with it.
Now that the video's mentioned it, I can't think of any of Elon Musk's successful ventures that *didn't* have some kind of first movers advantage.
Starlink is probably the closest you can get, but even that one has the whole set up your own tower thing to make it stand out.
My experience on Twitter is that no-one looks at the videos.
Used to be, people would gather en masse to watch a public hanging. Having a crowd is not always a positive thing.
Elon Musk as the private owner of Twitter feels so strange. It's like we landed on an alternative timeline.
I am wondering how he will get his invested money back (ROI). The future of Twitter doesn't look very promising.
By claiming he is working at Tesla on some new and impossible technology so the value of Tesla inflates. I mean that is his how he always did it.
Keep in mind a lot of new users are fake users for trolling now that you can buy authentication check marks.
The important thing, and the only thing that really matters, have the advertisers returned? Where's the chart for that?
I think the next big social media app will be a social market place. I mean by this a space where people can socialise whilst being completely in control of their data and how it is used and where it goes. Data is the currency of the online world and is also a source of great power and influence. As people are realising this I believe a big shift is coming and the next Facebook or Twitter will get on this concept early so when the shift happens people will have a starter place to migrate to.
Sounds nice, but it's a pipe dream.
How many of these signups are bots?
I'm still hoping Twitter goes down in flames and becomes far less influential. It's a hellscape.
We have no idea how these graphs are scaled without at least 2 values shown on the Y axis.
In the US being a monopoly is not illegal by itself. Your company has to be convicted of engaging in anti-competitive behavior
I get that it's rather important news, but I'm also getting a bit tiered of hearing about this guy every day. There must be something more important for you guys to report on than Elon doing dumb stuff for a 100th time this week.
Trueee but I think this is okay for this channel. I do think they should have multiple talking points about other topics and considering that they are still a young channel
@@Bingiisyaboi29 I agree with you that he's a reasonably good subject, especially for their business channel. It's just that as of now, about 50% of their videos here revolve about him. It's just a bit too much, especially since the man basically lives of publicity.
@@Wislehorn Well, that's the nature of news. It's topical. Until enough time passes, Musk's Twitter is what's happening.
I agree in that I kinda tired of musk too.
But I really do like this one though, laughing at poorly made graph always make happy 😂
They are a TH-cam channel. They have to respond to the algorithm. Musk is driving clicks and engagement. You clicking on the video then commenting will mean the algorithm will push this video more almost guaranteeing they'll make more videos on the topic. If you aren't interested don't watch it
As Benjamin Disraeli famously said 'there are lies, damned lies, and statistics'. These look a lot like statistics.
Twitter is not really the kind of social media app you use for communicating with your friends and relatives. It's "good" (actually terrible) for PR and public debate, but a much smaller segment of the population is interested in that. On top of that most existing users are probably using it more as news reader with commenting function and not to create a public persona, so why would they pay for the ability to make longer tweets?
How is Twitter going to be an "everything app" when they laid off half of their workforce?
I have love TLDR news since Brexit. Excellent coverage.
But talking about Elon Musk's Twitter acquisition, there is a smugness and a rush to call fail that distance the channel from being informative to being opinionated and trying to preview the future. Not great.
I am skeptical about this uptick in new users. Since many of these new users may just be people making new accounts for new users names to get in on the meme, and new users flocking to the site to witness the chaos. And neither of these seem sustainable to me. Since a majority of these new users will probably leave once the novelty wears off. As we’ve seen with viral internet moments, it’s incredibly hard to make a career out of them. Much less a company.
There is no Twitter in the future.
Hey now you can say the N-word and express bigotry on Twitter without being censored. What a blessing from Elon.
Instead of improving the features that are already there. They rather plan on doing something that other apps are already doing better. The exact same problem that Meta and Instagram have made, which drastically ruined Instagram in the long run out of desperation.
So far I don't think anyone could predict the outcome, I guess we'll just have to wait and see
Twitter has been doing that their entire history so far, just improving current features. Considering the business was loosing millions a year clearly that plan doesn't work. Will musk's plan work, who knows, but clearly something different needed to be done with Twitter.
Also stealing features is something that's been very successful for most social media sites. Instagram story is a good example, they stole it from Snapchat and now have over double the amount of users using it compared to Snapchat. Stealing features always is something that gets a small groups of people drummed up but the evidence shows it's he best method. Frankly once someone gets used to using a feature, they're unlikely to move to another app unless it also has that feature
He's knackered and he knows it. The reason he tried to pull out of the deal - aside from the fact Twitter was pretty much always a disaster from a business perspective - is that the interest rates are going up to cool off the 'high growth' innovation sector and drive progress in other areas.
So the tsunami of cheap cash needed to fix Twitter - if it can ever be fixed - is going to be expensive and in short supply.
This is where hubris gets you I guess.
I think that you might be sleeping on the advertising as entertainment angle. Lots of people use social media for role-play blogging. Role-play blogs are accounts dedicated to one or multiple characters, usually belonging to an existing franchise or written to belong in that franchise (so-called 'canon characters' and 'original characters'). It is an underserved market, but role-players tend to be wildly loyal consumers.
Basically, a lot of so-called parody accounts are actually role-play account. You could make a couple of changes to the platform to make roleplay more accessible.
1. You could centralize parody accounts in a parent-child relationship under a single writer account and have the parody accounts share features with the writer account; If you block or are blocked on one parody account, the block should extend to all parody accounts both ways. That makes it much easier to manage if someone expresses their freedoms and blocks you on one account without you knowing about it, so that you won't be accused or tempted into block-evading.
2. Official Game Master tools; In addition to free-form roleplay, there's roleplay using existing systems, the most famous of which is Dungeons & Dragons. It would be great if Twitter launched tools that would allow users on the platform to, say, add meter bars to a thread that they can add or decrease and include a dice rolling algorithm with an API to allow users to roll dice for each account. Look at Roll20 for examples of those. Though these tools sound unambitious, with enough users (of which Twitter has an enormous amount), the same tools used for role-play can probably find niche uses elsewhere.
X. Unrelated to advertising as entertainment; As someone wisely said recently; Moderation is the product. So, to improve moderation, you need to give users more moderation tools. And while moderation in an absolutist free speech environment might seem difficult, filtering your timeline is also a form of moderation. Twitter could overhaul it's tag system to make it easier to filter out results that you do not want. Rather than storing tags as part of the text of each tweet, tags should be stored outside of it. What's more, tags should come with logic statements. Basically, have the search results follow simple logic and allow posts to include strings of logic to respond to certain search queries and allow users who are not the original creator to assign those tags. For example NOT(SFW) should be searchable if Twitter wants to keep it's porn and keep it searchable, but you should also be able to mark that a certain post should be considered NOT(SFW), if for no other reason than to make it easier for an algorithm to double-check if it is indeed NOT(SFW).
Other features that would improve Twitter:
The ability to create multiple circles and having all circle functionalities in both mobile and desktop versions in all regions.
Allowing Moments to be created on mobile and allowing people to opt out of Moments notifications. Generally, I don't see a particular reason why people need to be notified by default about a Moment.
Tying the reason for blocking someone to a specific post and adding an optional rule that says that everyone who liked and retweeted that post should also be blocked. For example, this could be because the post has child exploitation in it; You'd want to block everyone that thought that post needed to exist.
This way, people must commit themselves to a particular reason why someone was blocked, rather than building a giant list of nameless, faceless people you blocked in some nebulous past. It takes more commitment.
google's services are already close to being an everything app. Because they are different apps, we don't realise that our emails, payments, documents, storage... are already controlled by one entity
If he can add a decent marketplace with paypal style service would be a good start for that everything plan with good possibility for profitability. Not sure if everything app can work in a Western environment. It works better in East Asian markets where they are overly protective of their own markets.
Didn't facebook try something similar with Libra?
@@rachebrother5349 Libra was more like crypto afaik. Facebook Marketplace is a thing, but it's budget e-bay. Great for countries that didn't have e-bay like sites
@@rachebrother5349 Facebook was kinda moving to that direction as well, but Zuck just chose to go Meta and went off the rails.
There is probably a spike of new bots because nobody is at the wheel of tweeter
All these ideas require lots of new physical infrastructure and staff. Where is he going to get the money for that?