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A few centuries of people shooting this way, many wars raged between different cultures across half the globe, and there are going to be comments on how this is not the right way to shoot
@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 maybe i'm wrong, but i think you might have misunderstood what he was saying. he was pretty much just saying that there'll always people those people rushing in to say "nuh uh, that's not how you do that, that's bad form, he's wrong" or other similar things. he's not saying that there aren't other ways of doing it
@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 he never said Mediterranean style was wrong. What he saying is, there are many styles of drawing a bow, and thumb ring is not a wrong method of drawing.
It's all the red, but the Huns were predominantly Hungarian-European, so Atilla probably looked more like a modern Hungarian man than to a Mongolian like most people seem to assume, though they were an offshoot of Asian-European tribes that intermingled in the steppes, so there was a mix.
@@jollygrapefruit786 I didn’t say anything about the etymology of the word Hun, so idk why you’re talking about that. Atilla was not born in Hungary, he was originally from somewhere around what is now Russia before his invasions westward, but he did make his main camp in the Pannonian basin where Hungary now is. The ethnicity of the Huns is uncertain but they were most likely related to Turks or Scythians, or possibly a multi-ethnic confederation consisting of tribes from both groups. The Magyars (ancestors of the Hungarians who first migrated to Europe) claimed descent from the Huns due to their fame, as did many other steppe peoples, but there is no reason to believe they actually were related. As for how Atilla would’ve looked, contemporary Roman accounts describe him as being short, flat-nosed tan-skinned, and having “small eyes”, which likely suggests a more Asian appearance. Tldr know what you’re talking about before posting
Thumb Ring is a technology in Age of Empires II: The Conquerors available at the Archery Range upon reaching the Castle Age. Once researched, all archers (both foot and mounted) are able to fire faster and with 100% accuracy at non-moving targets. It does not affect gunpowder units.
@@MasterArkannor300 food 250 wood Pretty hefty in early castle when you want to make tc, villagers, and farms so almost nobody research it immediately. Which is why Tatars who got it for free can afford to be very agressive while still building their economy.
Interestingly, Kyudo (Japanese archery) also lays the arrow on the same side of the bow and on their right hand archers wear a leather glove with a notch in the thumb
Samurai were also primarily horseback archers (They actually very rarely engaged in large melee formations), variations of this technique are just nature when shooting from the horseback
@@randomdude4136 well early samurai started as horse archers. As the years went on they became competent foot soldiers as well Highly versed in spear and naginata combat.
Mediterranean didn't nock on the left side of the bow either though, that's a modern invention. Look at medieval art depicting archers and it clearly shows nocking on the right side
@@dogrudiyosunIt doesn't mean Turkic at all. He's referring to those of the Mediterranean. As in the Greeks, Roman's etc. The Turks never used the 3 finger draw.
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Thumb release appeared not because of how he explains. It is because of the short asiatic bows with the long draw. Shooting such bows Mediterranean three-finger draw is from uncomfortable to impossible (the same way as with compound bows which are also short but with the long draw). The logical solution is to use one finger. Which finger is the strongest? Right - the thumb. Because of the archers paradox and first arrow bend direction arow must be not on the left side of the bow but on the right. Othervice the arrow bounces away from the bow (watch slo-mo of archers paradox). Release aid serves the same purpose in compound bows and for the same cause. But later the thumb release as a know-how migrated as well to the othe areas of Asia where there were materials for the longer and veeery long bows (like in Japan) and was kept because "it was always this way and it must stay this way".
In dry condition horse Archer of the East were the most fear warrior in the Ancient and medieval world...... .. Except when it was raining or snowing. The composite bow was very sensitive to wet conditions.
i honestly belive medival archers also used to put the arrow on the thumb side of the bow unlike depicted in modern movies, but putting it on the knuckle side seems counter intuitive because your arrow has to go over or past the bow befor resting in place which seems like it takes far more time than it would doing it thumb side. i taught archery to my self and now i do it this way after doing it "wrong" for like 3 years, i became so much faster in consecutive shots!
Quiver placement seems like could make a difference in what may be easier /faster for each person. Some1 may be able to place arrow on either side of bow but may have quiver in bad spot to acc easily
So, thumb grip/ right of bow launch position: the string compresses the arrow at the nock, arrow bends around the bow as it launches, arrow thus clears the bow and flies oscillating wave form, mid shaft, tip and tail with two node points about 1/20 of the arrow shaft length in from tip and tail; faster, more kinetic energy because thumb grip pulls string further than fingertips, it's ~ 3-4" more bowflex potential energy
@@TripleTapHK LOL ! Legend in your own mind; try it, you'll like it. Don't let your arrogant self-righteousness scuttle your learning. Still laughing at you.
I don't know if it came out of Turkic nations but i guess no one used and mastered it as much. Biggest empire in the world was built with the help of it.
Okay, seeing you switch the arrow to the other side makes me realize that you're shooting more like I do then most other people. I am a left-handed shooter but I shoot right-handed bows, I always put the arrow on the other side and I don't use sites. It's hard to find a good left-handed bows it's not super expensive so I don't even use the arrow rest, I use the knuckle of my thumb just like you do but I use my pointer and middle finger to draw back the bow. I do not use gloves or forearm protectors because they get in the way when I'm hunting.
@@TripleTapHK that means that you're not a lefty and you've never gone to the struggles that I do. Try shooting right-handed equipment as a left-handed individual. I have taught myself to be ambidextrous but there's certain things you have to do if you're going to shoot someone someone else's equipment upside down because you can't change anything. I became very proficient at it. I'm just as accurate as a right-handed person with a right-handed bow even though I'm shooting holding my left hand and the bow is flipped upside down. Because of this I can't use the arrow rest, I have to use my finger. Don't dare say that people who shoot are going to say I don't because I've been shooting for over 30 years. I have dropped hogs and deer with my bow. I am proficient enough to make a heart shot. What have you killed with your archery equipment? My lethality is there. I've also cleaned everything that I've ever killed and had to clean game for other friends who have never done it before so that they could learn. I literally grew up in the woods.
In addition, western bows didn’t need to be as compact because they were a dismounted weapon, and so could be substantially larger and stronger, the Welsh and English longbows, some of the most powerful bows to every exist, had an average draw weight of 120 lbs up to 200lbs, while the average recurve like the one in this video had an average draw weight of 75 lbs up to 115lbs, and as such a stronger and firmer grip would be necessary to draw effectively
Historically, archery has been done with the arrow on the right side of the bow, it's only recently with stationary archery that we see the arrow being used on the left side. These releases aren't much different in a historical context, or at least not with the reasoning he gave.
@@Likexner You can see it in Medieval paintings, both recreated and original, that the arrows cross over the right side of the bow. It even makes more sense just from a logical standpoint, putting the arrow on the right side of the bow requires the archer to use both eyes to assess his target, which would have given archers a greater sense for depth, especially in closer combat. In Medieval warfare this was done since archers were generally much closer to the infantry than you'd think, they couldn't feasibly use modern standards for stationary archery since they were actively a part of the battle and stationary archery is just too slow and inflexible for that level of combat. Bringing that point home, we know that Medieval archers would often keep spare arrows in their bow hand, grabbing them with their free hand and rapidly firing them, which is most comfortable to do when the arrow is knocked on the right of the bow. Even with Mongols, it's reasonable to extrapolate that they did the same thing since they heavily used mounted archers, and like the video says, you can't easily stabilize a bow on the left side when on a horse. It's generally reasonable to assume that slinging the arrow on the left side of the bow is a modern creation since it almost entirely relies on sporting conditions.
@@Likexner Oh, yeah I misread your comment. I meant that humans generally favored knocking the bow from the right historically, not that they only did that for the entirety of history until the modern day. Assuming I meant that knocking exclusively on the right of the bow was historically accurate is a little bit silly.
@@BrotherCarverI've also seen traditional African hunting tribes have it predominantly on the left. And as they've been doing it for who knows how many generations, it's interesting that they do it that way. (The knuckle side I mean). A little extra perspective I suppose.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 historical Poland lay much further to the east into modern day Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Modern day Poland was moved considerably to the west after ww2. Its territory consists around half of former German lands. The only European nation that truly suffered some time under the Mongol raids were the Russians but as you can see on a map today there is a good reason Russia extends so far to the east. Vladivostok the most eastward city in Russia literally means “rule the east” as in never again suffer attacks from those nomadic barbarians. Russia used to control much of Mongolia too the same goes for China they striped a large part of the territory of Mongolia as China too suffered much under the Mongols.
@@adamhatton7579 bitter about what? I was just stating some historical footnotes. I hail from the Netherlands from a family of farmers and traders so i doubt it. Anyone with a bit of historical knowledge can see the Mongols for what they are, a greedy, sadistic and destructive force who were terrible in building and maintaining an empire.
There is also the Swiss Arrow but it needs a string that wraps around the shaft and tied to its notch. It has the same setup as the amentum used on javelins, they are throwing aid that allows it to act like a sling
I was never taught archery, but when I used a bow as a kid I instinctively held the arrow with my left thumb. Otherwise I'd have had to shoot around the bow, which didn't make sense to me.
same for Japanese Kyudo btw. . . we also do 'tsurugaeshi' or - return of the bowstring . . . if you do it right, the entire bow rotates to clear the string from your swordhand
Can't blame him. Dry-firing a bow does a number on the limbs, and can, overtime, lead to catastrophic failure. Source? Personal experience. Wrecked the cam bearing on my compound bow when I accidentally dry-fired it. That was on me though for not checking on my equipment; caliper release didn't lock all the way so the loop slipped through. Lesson learned.
@@MaxxterDM my cousin had his compound pop on him. the nocks they gave him were too tight, so it chewed up the string. no noticeable damage, though, just a pair of what looked like vampire hamster marks where his wrist got tagged by something flailing.
There are Europeanmedieval depictions of archers using a multitude of methods. Both sides, 2-3 fingers, thumb or no thumb, fingers fown or raised while nocking...
With the western draw done correctly, you don't need to stabilize the arrow. The string rotates as you draw and pushes it against the bow on the arrow rest. Now if you need to draw quickly while riding, I could see how the thumb side for an arrow rest would be helpful and in that case, the same draw technique would instead pull the arrow right off the bow. So his technique will rotate the string the other way and hold it to the thumb side. You could do an upside down 2 finger grip. That would have the same effect. And it is similar to how you often pull back when using a trigger release on a compound bow. Just gotta make sure you're grabing the string from the opposite side of the arrow and allowing the natural rotation of the string rather than forcing it to be straight. Same principle either way.
I shot competitive archery (bare bow, no sights as well) for years. Unless your using some special kind of arrows, the nock on the end of the arrow would not have enough grip to rotate with the string. Its just not that tight. In addition to that, whether your using a release aid or not, the string doesn't rotate to one side or another when you draw. You're pulling it straight back, not back and rotating in.
Thumb side is actually the correct side and it is easier and faster to shoot on that side. In High school I used a left handed bow. The arrow hold was on the right side instead of the left. I was able to hit targets at 100 yards and was able to shoot faster, because you did not have to cross over the whole bow to load the arrow.
Your index finger is pressuring the arrow to the handle and string of the bow in a perpendicular force. So while riding you might have the arrow move away from the handle slightly due to force but it would be very small and you'd likely have counterforce from your handle arm to minimise this further. With the Mediterranean draw you only have pressure on the arrow between the soft flesh of your two fingers on the string, so gravity is the only thing pressuring the arrow. If you shake any part of it the string becomes the fulcrum point of a lever-like movement. So you could pressure the arrow, but it would only keep it knocked since you can't really pressure the shaft -thus the tip still bounces around the string even if you use counterforce.
Also this horse back riding style archery has stronger grip over the string. Allows you to pull much stronger bows. And people like Mongols used insanely strong bows, they could shoot like 100 yards with their bows if I'm not mistaken. It's basically like the difference between hook grip and conventional grip in deadlift. That style of hooking the thumb with your index finger takes all the strength elements out of pulling the string and just mechanically creates a situation where the limiting factor of your ability to pull the string is no longer your fingers. Edit: I don't know anything about archery. Please correct me on the parts I'm mistaken about.
There is also less of a twisting of the string with a single thumb draw than with three fingers plus it’s twisting the string towards the bow which stops the arrows flying away from the bow on release.
@@LostNEggsAisle-tm5zr No my reason for griping is that American archery isn't a thing. The first nations all used bows, but they used them in the same manner as the Mongols (same grip and shorter bows). So calling it "American" is rather capricious. Furthermore, the bow was not universal in the Americas - the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc. of Meso America and South America largely continued to use darts, atlatls, and spears over bows because said weapons were more effective in the tight quarters of the dense rainforests in their respective territories.
When i was a little lad, i got a little toy boy (an actual bow in the sense it doesn't use elastic strings and stuff) and I'd draw that thing liks how this man would draw his bow. I thought i waa doing it wrong the entire time when i saw films where they were doing the Mediterranean draw; i guess there's always other ways in doing things
Man my dad made me bows out of sticks and strings and then carve the arrows with 4 fins and I would always lose them because he would have me aim at blackberry bushes and then we wouldn’t go get them 🥲 good memories
Western archery also placed the arrow on the right side of the bow, resting on the thumb. Placing the arrow on the top of the forefinger knuckle is a modern thing.
when I revered the arrow side, it'd kick my shots 2 feet right at 20 yards. unless I did my draw hand upside down, which didn't feel right. I was shooting with bare fingers.
@@andrzejgolota6642 Plenty with the opposite as well. I'm guessing it wasn't really a standardized thing. I've actually seen paintings/tapestries where people are doing one or the other in the same picture.
It had variations, but it was probably common among steppe peoples. It's written that the Magyars shot like this in the 9. century. 300 years later, Mongolians arrive and do it the same way. Which is not surprising. Riding and archery were the main skills in these cultures, so they had extremely good technique developed.
Oh... Yeah, that makes sense. I've never used the 3 finger crap. I've always naturally shot using my thumb, and I've always had great accuracy with that. However, if my arrows are on the outside of the bow, they go out into "left field". I have to use the inside. However, next time I'm going to try holding it horizontally like a crossbow like this guy does.
It’s not crap. The Mediterranean draw works perfectly for what’s its for, and if you know what you’re doing, you can knock the arrow on either side of the bow. Also, holding it horizontally will drastically shorten your draw length.
@@Specter_1125 If I were a man, I might agree. However, I feel like the female physiology is a lot more flexible when it comes to being able to twist to compensate, like in the case of mounted combat. I could be wrong, though. I just feel like it might not be as drastic with someone's who's more flexible.
Your arrows peel away from the bow because you aren't actually using a real thumb draw to pinch the arrow against your bow. You are just drawing your bow with your thumb which if it works for you it works, but it aint gonna work for horseback archery. Crap results with Mediterranean draw is 100% a skill issue.
@@cam6202 Different from the Anglos yes but the American Indians of the Plains and West/South West were some of the finest horse archers in history and used a different release than either.
@@christopherfisher128 because they didn't get horses until after Europeans showed up, so they probably didn't just relearn everything from square one.
Having the arrow on the thumb side is also easier to nock the arrow while riding, especially when you have to use either hand to shoot your bow as targets on either side of the track means you are swapping which arm. We were taught to use both hands equally since you never know which side of the horse the enemy will be on.
The inventers of the "parting shot". Riding a running horse with no hands and turning to face backwards and sending an arrow at any pursuers. Changed warfare.
Has nothing to do with that. Mongolians even shot from the left side of the bow when on the ground. Shooting from the right with the thumb draw is primarily a horseback archery technique.
As someone who's been into archery and used both normal recurve bows and Mongolian bows I can say Mongolian archery is so much fkn harder especially if you're already used to using the other form of archery before you try and learn mongolian archery because it's just miles different and a whole load more awkward sure you get the hang of it eventually but it takes some time to get adjusted
It's funny that I actually learned the thumb draw first, in eastern archery classes. Trying to do it the mediterranean way was much more difficult for me.
@@Rafael_R I can understand that because learning to ditch old muscle memory habits is just hard in general but I feel like in comparison it would take you drastically less time to learn how to do archery proficiently with a Mediterranean draw than it would for me to be able to even become semi proficient with a Mongolian draw. Simply because it's just that different specifically the fact that you don't aim down the arrow with the Mongolian style and just go purely off of instinct and the grip on the string is just really awkward compared to the European grip because it's all in the thumb and forefinger which in its own benefit does make the release that much smoother but it just makes for one hell of a steep learning curve in comparison. Whereas once you're used to the 3 fingered European draw you've pretty much got it the rest is just putting reps in to get the muscle memory down and perfecting your form. Sure it's not gonna be easy to learn either form from the ground up but I know I'd much rather have learnt the Mongolian draw first myself.
I'm just wondering how many pounds that bow is I'm shooting a 64 pound Osage orange handmade bow and I don't see being able to hold the weight at draw with this technique.
@@richardjohnson1891 Hard to say what his bow weight is. Perhaps close to yours... 🤷♂️. Some of the hardcore guys shoot 160 pounds or higher. In the context of Eastern archery, use your shoulders, with the thumb draw. Many archers actually start from a slightly raised position, if you can grasp that. It helps to watch videos of people shooting in Manchu, Turkish, Arab, etc. styles. Also, starting with a very light weight bow is practically necessary when learning the technique.
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A few centuries of people shooting this way, many wars raged between different cultures across half the globe, and there are going to be comments on how this is not the right way to shoot
Yes because nobody ever used Mediterranean draw / Western archery for those things....🤡😂 i think your logic has some holes here😂
@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 maybe i'm wrong, but i think you might have misunderstood what he was saying. he was pretty much just saying that there'll always people those people rushing in to say "nuh uh, that's not how you do that, that's bad form, he's wrong" or other similar things. he's not saying that there aren't other ways of doing it
Meh hand combat has come a long way so why not archery?
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@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 he never said Mediterranean style was wrong.
What he saying is, there are many styles of drawing a bow, and thumb ring is not a wrong method of drawing.
Brooo thumb ring from age of empires 2 makes so much more sense now
Oh shit that's cool! Didn't even put that together while watching the video!
aoe is so good for learning historical technologies. I always have a blast researching the Unique civ techs on google.
funny i just searched and found that romans and west european civs like franks and britons dont have access to thumb ring.
The name of that thumb ring is "zihgir"
@@ziyad6608🤦🏻one of many names
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The superior arrow, just can’t be reused
And .50 Bmg for maximum damage
more like a compound bow that costs $3000 with a mechanical trigger release
That guy looks incredibly canadian, despite all his efforts.
Ah, have you never heard of the great horse-archer hordes of the Canadian steppe?
It's all the red, but the Huns were predominantly Hungarian-European, so Atilla probably looked more like a modern Hungarian man than to a Mongolian like most people seem to assume, though they were an offshoot of Asian-European tribes that intermingled in the steppes, so there was a mix.
@@jollygrapefruit786 Hungarians are not actually related to the Huns
@@cthulhuman6162 Well no that's not why they're called the Huns but Atilla was born in Hungary.
@@jollygrapefruit786 I didn’t say anything about the etymology of the word Hun, so idk why you’re talking about that. Atilla was not born in Hungary, he was originally from somewhere around what is now Russia before his invasions westward, but he did make his main camp in the Pannonian basin where Hungary now is. The ethnicity of the Huns is uncertain but they were most likely related to Turks or Scythians, or possibly a multi-ethnic confederation consisting of tribes from both groups. The Magyars (ancestors of the Hungarians who first migrated to Europe) claimed descent from the Huns due to their fame, as did many other steppe peoples, but there is no reason to believe they actually were related.
As for how Atilla would’ve looked, contemporary Roman accounts describe him as being short, flat-nosed tan-skinned, and having “small eyes”, which likely suggests a more Asian appearance.
Tldr know what you’re talking about before posting
Thumb Ring is a technology in Age of Empires II: The Conquerors available at the Archery Range upon reaching the Castle Age. Once researched, all archers (both foot and mounted) are able to fire faster and with 100% accuracy at non-moving targets. It does not affect gunpowder units.
How much does it cost?
@@MasterArkannor300 food 250 wood
Pretty hefty in early castle when you want to make tc, villagers, and farms so almost nobody research it immediately. Which is why Tatars who got it for free can afford to be very agressive while still building their economy.
The Mongolians were on a whole different level.
turkish people were the first ones to use bows on a horse
he's not mongolian
@@dustinchenbut the technique is, look at the full video.
Seems useless to shoot that way, I don't care if they are on a horse or not
@@C.dieslevonankwek7 Genghis Khan's armies killed millions of people and took over half the world shooting like that, so I assume it works pretty well
Interestingly, Kyudo (Japanese archery) also lays the arrow on the same side of the bow and on their right hand archers wear a leather glove with a notch in the thumb
Samurai were also primarily horseback archers (They actually very rarely engaged in large melee formations), variations of this technique are just nature when shooting from the horseback
@@randomdude4136 well early samurai started as horse archers. As the years went on they became competent foot soldiers as well Highly versed in spear and naginata combat.
Actually the samurais learned from the ainu tribe warfare.
Japanese and Samurai are so damn cool man. They are probably related to Central asian people such as Turks, Mongolians way way back
@@Kaan_is_myname97 Actual the japanese archery learned from the Ainu tribe long time ago.
So thats why cavarly archers get more acurracy after getting thumb ring in aoe2
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Mediterranean didn't nock on the left side of the bow either though, that's a modern invention. Look at medieval art depicting archers and it clearly shows nocking on the right side
Art shows that they did both. It was personal preference.
Depends on what you understand from Mediterranean. Here it means Turkic.
@@dogrudiyosunIt doesn't mean Turkic at all. He's referring to those of the Mediterranean. As in the Greeks, Roman's etc. The Turks never used the 3 finger draw.
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It’s tripping me out that every comment section on every short right now is snide and shitty, and they all have like 4 likes, whereas comments on shorts a few days ago had a bunch of actual input and had thousands of likes each. It feels like something changed in the way they sort the comments.
It does I’ve noticed that too
Ong I’m tryna chill with shorts while I download a game and the comments are making me want to start a villain arc
The more cynical , the more the algorithm likes it because it gets attention i guess ??
The classic Parthian shot: Releasing an arrow while facing back from the direction that your mount is going.
Sana hangi öküz tarih öğretti, merak ettim. Bu ok ve at üstünde geriye ok atmak tamamen bir Türk işidir. Bunun için koşum takımlarının icadı gerekir ki bunu da iranlılardan çok önceleri Türkler icat etmiş ve kullanmıştır.
this is a upgrade in AoE II.
Makes sense now why Britons don't have thumbring. Not sure about some other civs though.
Thumb release appeared not because of how he explains. It is because of the short asiatic bows with the long draw. Shooting such bows Mediterranean three-finger draw is from uncomfortable to impossible (the same way as with compound bows which are also short but with the long draw). The logical solution is to use one finger. Which finger is the strongest? Right - the thumb. Because of the archers paradox and first arrow bend direction arow must be not on the left side of the bow but on the right. Othervice the arrow bounces away from the bow (watch slo-mo of archers paradox). Release aid serves the same purpose in compound bows and for the same cause.
But later the thumb release as a know-how migrated as well to the othe areas of Asia where there were materials for the longer and veeery long bows (like in Japan) and was kept because "it was always this way and it must stay this way".
In dry condition horse Archer of the East were the most fear warrior in the Ancient and medieval world...... .. Except when it was raining or snowing. The composite bow was very sensitive to wet conditions.
There are ways to make composite bows water-resistant.
Few people know he was also an excellent horse back riding archer -TOM THUMB!
I was in Malta many years ago and paid $40 murican dollars for a very different "Mediterranean draw"😂🤷♂️
i honestly belive medival archers also used to put the arrow on the thumb side of the bow unlike depicted in modern movies, but putting it on the knuckle side seems counter intuitive because your arrow has to go over or past the bow befor resting in place which seems like it takes far more time than it would doing it thumb side.
i taught archery to my self and now i do it this way after doing it "wrong" for like 3 years, i became so much faster in consecutive shots!
Quiver placement seems like could make a difference in what may be easier /faster for each person. Some1 may be able to place arrow on either side of bow but may have quiver in bad spot to acc easily
So, thumb grip/ right of bow launch position: the string compresses the arrow at the nock, arrow bends around the bow as it launches, arrow thus clears the bow and flies oscillating wave form, mid shaft, tip and tail with two node points about 1/20 of the arrow shaft length in from tip and tail; faster, more kinetic energy because thumb grip pulls string further than fingertips, it's ~ 3-4" more bowflex potential energy
@@mikado728 That's not a thing. I'm an expert archer.
@@TripleTapHK
LOL ! Legend in your own mind; try it, you'll like it. Don't let your arrogant self-righteousness scuttle your learning. Still laughing at you.
I love trivia like this.
Bro I been a pro at horseback archery since ocerena of time.....
Got to love how despite the technology for bow being found in almost all cultures, the way to actually use it differed
Another weird one is sabres basically every ended up using them.
everything is a spear. a bow is just a spear, but the guy you want to stab is way over there.
@@sterlinggecko3269 bullets are just tiny spears also.
This is the kind of information my brain will load and never let go of...
I don't know if it came out of Turkic nations but i guess no one used and mastered it as much. Biggest empire in the world was built with the help of it.
Okay, seeing you switch the arrow to the other side makes me realize that you're shooting more like I do then most other people. I am a left-handed shooter but I shoot right-handed bows, I always put the arrow on the other side and I don't use sites. It's hard to find a good left-handed bows it's not super expensive so I don't even use the arrow rest, I use the knuckle of my thumb just like you do but I use my pointer and middle finger to draw back the bow. I do not use gloves or forearm protectors because they get in the way when I'm hunting.
I've also been known to outshoot people with their own bow just by taking the bow and flipping it upside down so that I can shoot it in my left😂
Just. Hit. What you aiming at. And that Archery
You realize real archers can tell you have no idea what you are talking about right?
@@TripleTapHK that means that you're not a lefty and you've never gone to the struggles that I do. Try shooting right-handed equipment as a left-handed individual. I have taught myself to be ambidextrous but there's certain things you have to do if you're going to shoot someone someone else's equipment upside down because you can't change anything. I became very proficient at it. I'm just as accurate as a right-handed person with a right-handed bow even though I'm shooting holding my left hand and the bow is flipped upside down. Because of this I can't use the arrow rest, I have to use my finger. Don't dare say that people who shoot are going to say I don't because I've been shooting for over 30 years. I have dropped hogs and deer with my bow. I am proficient enough to make a heart shot. What have you killed with your archery equipment? My lethality is there. I've also cleaned everything that I've ever killed and had to clean game for other friends who have never done it before so that they could learn. I literally grew up in the woods.
Oh, it's like a hook grip in weight lifting.
Yeah I suppose so
In addition, western bows didn’t need to be as compact because they were a dismounted weapon, and so could be substantially larger and stronger, the Welsh and English longbows, some of the most powerful bows to every exist, had an average draw weight of 120 lbs up to 200lbs, while the average recurve like the one in this video had an average draw weight of 75 lbs up to 115lbs, and as such a stronger and firmer grip would be necessary to draw effectively
Whats crazy though is how dense their arm bones were from fracturing all the time.
@@0Synergy I wasn’t aware of that, that’s insane
Historically, archery has been done with the arrow on the right side of the bow, it's only recently with stationary archery that we see the arrow being used on the left side. These releases aren't much different in a historical context, or at least not with the reasoning he gave.
No. Historically, they put the arrow on either side.
@@Likexner You can see it in Medieval paintings, both recreated and original, that the arrows cross over the right side of the bow. It even makes more sense just from a logical standpoint, putting the arrow on the right side of the bow requires the archer to use both eyes to assess his target, which would have given archers a greater sense for depth, especially in closer combat. In Medieval warfare this was done since archers were generally much closer to the infantry than you'd think, they couldn't feasibly use modern standards for stationary archery since they were actively a part of the battle and stationary archery is just too slow and inflexible for that level of combat. Bringing that point home, we know that Medieval archers would often keep spare arrows in their bow hand, grabbing them with their free hand and rapidly firing them, which is most comfortable to do when the arrow is knocked on the right of the bow. Even with Mongols, it's reasonable to extrapolate that they did the same thing since they heavily used mounted archers, and like the video says, you can't easily stabilize a bow on the left side when on a horse. It's generally reasonable to assume that slinging the arrow on the left side of the bow is a modern creation since it almost entirely relies on sporting conditions.
@@BrotherCarver There are paintings that depict archers putting the arrow on either side.
@@Likexner Oh, yeah I misread your comment. I meant that humans generally favored knocking the bow from the right historically, not that they only did that for the entirety of history until the modern day. Assuming I meant that knocking exclusively on the right of the bow was historically accurate is a little bit silly.
@@BrotherCarverI've also seen traditional African hunting tribes have it predominantly on the left. And as they've been doing it for who knows how many generations, it's interesting that they do it that way. (The knuckle side I mean). A little extra perspective I suppose.
Mongolians said "Hold this L westerner"
The Mongols never reached the “west”, they were cut down by knights since the Mongols were actually terribly bad fighters.
@@Judge_Magister I mean they got to poland, thats pretty far into eastern europe.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 historical Poland lay much further to the east into modern day Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Modern day Poland was moved considerably to the west after ww2. Its territory consists around half of former German lands. The only European nation that truly suffered some time under the Mongol raids were the Russians but as you can see on a map today there is a good reason Russia extends so far to the east. Vladivostok the most eastward city in Russia literally means “rule the east” as in never again suffer attacks from those nomadic barbarians. Russia used to control much of Mongolia too the same goes for China they striped a large part of the territory of Mongolia as China too suffered much under the Mongols.
@@Judge_Magister I love how bitter you are about an extinct empire. You’re probably descended from one of them.
@@adamhatton7579 bitter about what? I was just stating some historical footnotes. I hail from the Netherlands from a family of farmers and traders so i doubt it. Anyone with a bit of historical knowledge can see the Mongols for what they are, a greedy, sadistic and destructive force who were terrible in building and maintaining an empire.
The hand and finger strength to fully draw a bow held by just the thumb and forefinger...holy
Brilliant!!
I thought I invented that when I was a kid😂
Well if you did it by yourself without any external influence, you technicaly did :D
Good Cossack man
Now I am currious I gotta try shooting this way.
It will hurt at first. Do a light bow first.
I wonder if at any point in history someone just said screw it and threw the arrow. Killing the target in glorious fashion.
That’s called a spear
there's apparently a thing called plumbata, war darts
There is also the Swiss Arrow but it needs a string that wraps around the shaft and tied to its notch. It has the same setup as the amentum used on javelins, they are throwing aid that allows it to act like a sling
Today I learned I've always been shooting horseback style
There is no one horseback style. There are many ways to shoot.
Hence the term “plucking” the arrow which morphed into “pluck you” which morphed into… well you get the picture…
I was never taught archery, but when I used a bow as a kid I instinctively held the arrow with my left thumb. Otherwise I'd have had to shoot around the bow, which didn't make sense to me.
Either side you put the arrow on, you are still shooting around the bow.
Absolutely brilliant
same for Japanese Kyudo btw. . .
we also do 'tsurugaeshi' or - return of the bowstring . . . if you do it right, the entire bow rotates to clear the string from your swordhand
Is it the same principles as Khatra or a different intention altogether? I do the Korean style so it has similar principles to nomadic archery.
I remember him getting irritated when you dry fired his bow.
Can't blame him. Dry-firing a bow does a number on the limbs, and can, overtime, lead to catastrophic failure.
Source? Personal experience. Wrecked the cam bearing on my compound bow when I accidentally dry-fired it. That was on me though for not checking on my equipment; caliper release didn't lock all the way so the loop slipped through. Lesson learned.
@@MaxxterDM my cousin had his compound pop on him. the nocks they gave him were too tight, so it chewed up the string. no noticeable damage, though, just a pair of what looked like vampire hamster marks where his wrist got tagged by something flailing.
@sterlinggecko3269 Ooh, ouch. I can only imagine how shocking it was when the string snapped. Glad to hear he got away with only a slap on the wrist.
And if it's a horn composite bow, it can outright explode for what that's worth.
This simple difference in technique combined with their specialized saddles were a game changer on par with the invention of firearms
Interesting, but still would like to see an actual demonstration at work
th-cam.com/users/shortscZ2SgxMep14?feature=share
Same technique pretty much
click on the original video link in the description!
Medieval archers also shot it from the right side of the bow
Some did. Not most.
There is no cut and dry answer on that. There were many different ways to shoot.
There are Europeanmedieval depictions of archers using a multitude of methods. Both sides, 2-3 fingers, thumb or no thumb, fingers fown or raised while nocking...
Whatever hits the target most often for them I suppose.
Most interesting youtube short in a while.
What are the different gear pieces called? Finger guards? Ring? New terminology.
Called zihgir, the thumb ring
With the western draw done correctly, you don't need to stabilize the arrow. The string rotates as you draw and pushes it against the bow on the arrow rest. Now if you need to draw quickly while riding, I could see how the thumb side for an arrow rest would be helpful and in that case, the same draw technique would instead pull the arrow right off the bow. So his technique will rotate the string the other way and hold it to the thumb side.
You could do an upside down 2 finger grip. That would have the same effect. And it is similar to how you often pull back when using a trigger release on a compound bow. Just gotta make sure you're grabing the string from the opposite side of the arrow and allowing the natural rotation of the string rather than forcing it to be straight. Same principle either way.
Thank you this method is just an easy bypass instead of practicing your technique
He’s not gonna fuck you
Especially since historical archers, like those on horseback had most of the time to fire rapidly
I shot competitive archery (bare bow, no sights as well) for years. Unless your using some special kind of arrows, the nock on the end of the arrow would not have enough grip to rotate with the string. Its just not that tight. In addition to that, whether your using a release aid or not, the string doesn't rotate to one side or another when you draw. You're pulling it straight back, not back and rotating in.
I cant imagine a time, when riding on horseback, that shooting fast wouldnt be the priority
Thumb side is actually the correct side and it is easier and faster to shoot on that side. In High school I used a left handed bow. The arrow hold was on the right side instead of the left. I was able to hit targets at 100 yards and was able to shoot faster, because you did not have to cross over the whole bow to load the arrow.
Ice been shooting arrows since I was a little kid, genuinely never knew people used their thumbs outside a trigger lmao.
"Why is it different?" He comes up with a cool story. But the real reason is their bows are 1% the power of an English yew bow.
Couldn't the arrow the part laying on the bow slide up and down the bow if not resting on the thumb? Especially when riding?
Your index finger is pressuring the arrow to the handle and string of the bow in a perpendicular force. So while riding you might have the arrow move away from the handle slightly due to force but it would be very small and you'd likely have counterforce from your handle arm to minimise this further.
With the Mediterranean draw you only have pressure on the arrow between the soft flesh of your two fingers on the string, so gravity is the only thing pressuring the arrow. If you shake any part of it the string becomes the fulcrum point of a lever-like movement. So you could pressure the arrow, but it would only keep it knocked since you can't really pressure the shaft -thus the tip still bounces around the string even if you use counterforce.
Also this horse back riding style archery has stronger grip over the string. Allows you to pull much stronger bows. And people like Mongols used insanely strong bows, they could shoot like 100 yards with their bows if I'm not mistaken.
It's basically like the difference between hook grip and conventional grip in deadlift. That style of hooking the thumb with your index finger takes all the strength elements out of pulling the string and just mechanically creates a situation where the limiting factor of your ability to pull the string is no longer your fingers.
Edit: I don't know anything about archery. Please correct me on the parts I'm mistaken about.
I've watched modern horse archers in mogolia shooting off the left side of the bow with three fingers
modern people might practice modern techniques or they are just far apart that their tribes has preference
@@patrickbueno3279 and ancient techniques and who used them aren't often recorded.
There is also less of a twisting of the string with a single thumb draw than with three fingers plus it’s twisting the string towards the bow which stops the arrows flying away from the bow on release.
My only gripe is that there's no such thing as "American archery".
@@LostNEggsAisle-tm5zr No my reason for griping is that American archery isn't a thing. The first nations all used bows, but they used them in the same manner as the Mongols (same grip and shorter bows). So calling it "American" is rather capricious. Furthermore, the bow was not universal in the Americas - the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc. of Meso America and South America largely continued to use darts, atlatls, and spears over bows because said weapons were more effective in the tight quarters of the dense rainforests in their respective territories.
Instructions unclear, domed my horse, and ended up a prisoner of war
When i was a little lad, i got a little toy boy (an actual bow in the sense it doesn't use elastic strings and stuff) and I'd draw that thing liks how this man would draw his bow. I thought i waa doing it wrong the entire time when i saw films where they were doing the Mediterranean draw; i guess there's always other ways in doing things
Man my dad made me bows out of sticks and strings and then carve the arrows with 4 fins and I would always lose them because he would have me aim at blackberry bushes and then we wouldn’t go get them 🥲 good memories
I've been wanting to learn archery for a while now I'm glad I found this
Western archery also placed the arrow on the right side of the bow, resting on the thumb.
Placing the arrow on the top of the forefinger knuckle is a modern thing.
when I revered the arrow side, it'd kick my shots 2 feet right at 20 yards. unless I did my draw hand upside down, which didn't feel right. I was shooting with bare fingers.
this, there are tons of medieval drawings showing archers using the right side
@@andrzejgolota6642 Plenty with the opposite as well. I'm guessing it wasn't really a standardized thing. I've actually seen paintings/tapestries where people are doing one or the other in the same picture.
Archery on horseback is insane. And so much history. All over the world. At one point men on horses with rifles were no match.
I already learned how to do this in Ocarina of Time
I can practically hear the archer gatekeepers scream. XD
Real archers are well aware of eastern styles of archery. It's the general public who has no clue about this kind of stuff.
Was this a regional thing? Or did all horse mounted archer develop this technique?
There are multiple different mounted archer techniques.
This is a regional/bow type thing. Compound and recurve don’t change much on horse back
It had variations, but it was probably common among steppe peoples. It's written that the Magyars shot like this in the 9. century. 300 years later, Mongolians arrive and do it the same way.
Which is not surprising. Riding and archery were the main skills in these cultures, so they had extremely good technique developed.
I do that in Foam Archery. We call it the "Thumb draw"
shooting this way hurts and takes getting used to.
Shooting in general hurts and takes getting used to.
Might want to invest in a bracer if shooting a bow is causing you pain.
Interesting, although I feel a close up cam on the opposite side of where it is currently facing would have been better
That bow looked like the Phrenic Bow from BotW/Tears of the Kingdom
I actually learned something off the internet today. 😁👍💯
Wow i'm impressed unfortunatly very few people know the correct way to shoot an arrow in steppen style
Huge respect
Growing up in the US, I used the L.
Growing up in the US _is_ an L.
"Why is ist different?" Well the mongol have an extravagantly huge empire for a reason
“American Archery” 😂😂😂😂
Yea natives, Like south America north America he didn’t specifically say what americas
he should be saying European not American
It's called thumb ring. Helps increase accuracy and rate of fire due to stability.
Oh... Yeah, that makes sense. I've never used the 3 finger crap. I've always naturally shot using my thumb, and I've always had great accuracy with that. However, if my arrows are on the outside of the bow, they go out into "left field". I have to use the inside. However, next time I'm going to try holding it horizontally like a crossbow like this guy does.
It’s not crap. The Mediterranean draw works perfectly for what’s its for, and if you know what you’re doing, you can knock the arrow on either side of the bow. Also, holding it horizontally will drastically shorten your draw length.
@@Specter_1125 I mean, to each their own, but when I try it, crap is the result. It just doesn't feel natural to me.
@@Specter_1125 If I were a man, I might agree. However, I feel like the female physiology is a lot more flexible when it comes to being able to twist to compensate, like in the case of mounted combat. I could be wrong, though. I just feel like it might not be as drastic with someone's who's more flexible.
Your arrows peel away from the bow because you aren't actually using a real thumb draw to pinch the arrow against your bow. You are just drawing your bow with your thumb which if it works for you it works, but it aint gonna work for horseback archery. Crap results with Mediterranean draw is 100% a skill issue.
It's different from Anglo archery. Many Americans grew up learning several release techniques
Yeah they where on a moving horse, completely different bow and style.
@@cam6202 Different from the Anglos yes but the American Indians of the Plains and West/South West were some of the finest horse archers in history and used a different release than either.
@@christopherfisher128 because they didn't get horses until after Europeans showed up, so they probably didn't just relearn everything from square one.
It is beautiful to hear something so well explained.
Having the arrow on the thumb side is also easier to nock the arrow while riding, especially when you have to use either hand to shoot your bow as targets on either side of the track means you are swapping which arm. We were taught to use both hands equally since you never know which side of the horse the enemy will be on.
The inventers of the "parting shot". Riding a running horse with no hands and turning to face backwards and sending an arrow at any pursuers. Changed warfare.
Parthian shot?
Hes not "modernrogue" now hes "medievalrogue"
Didn't know there was such thing as "American archery"
That's cause the natives where almost extinct
American Archery has since evolved to where we have given up on silly string pulling and now we just pull the F’n trigger. 😂
@@SteveGBD Wow. I just realised thanks to you that I completely forgot about native americans for a moment (I French btw, don't judge me)
@@SuicideMike5150 LMAO
@@SteveGBD Yes, but also no. The natives were not americans. The land was not called america before the arrival of european settlers. 😉
This man understood the assignment
It's the superior technique. You get center and most direct transfer of energy too.
Has nothing to do with that. Mongolians even shot from the left side of the bow when on the ground. Shooting from the right with the thumb draw is primarily a horseback archery technique.
American archery? What is it?
A Cola archery? 😂
Heavy Archers also had the arrow on the outer side since it is easier to draw the bow like that if it has a high draw weight.
Having the arrow on either side of the bow has literally zero affect on draw weight.
My girlfriend already knows about my Mediterranean drawback 🙃
I will have to try this
Why is it different right after he just explained it 😆 🤣
awesome explained, thx. :)
oh, careful. you might anger the competitive archery community.
As someone who's been into archery and used both normal recurve bows and Mongolian bows I can say Mongolian archery is so much fkn harder especially if you're already used to using the other form of archery before you try and learn mongolian archery because it's just miles different and a whole load more awkward sure you get the hang of it eventually but it takes some time to get adjusted
It's funny that I actually learned the thumb draw first, in eastern archery classes. Trying to do it the mediterranean way was much more difficult for me.
@@Rafael_R I can understand that because learning to ditch old muscle memory habits is just hard in general but I feel like in comparison it would take you drastically less time to learn how to do archery proficiently with a Mediterranean draw than it would for me to be able to even become semi proficient with a Mongolian draw.
Simply because it's just that different specifically the fact that you don't aim down the arrow with the Mongolian style and just go purely off of instinct and the grip on the string is just really awkward compared to the European grip because it's all in the thumb and forefinger which in its own benefit does make the release that much smoother but it just makes for one hell of a steep learning curve in comparison.
Whereas once you're used to the 3 fingered European draw you've pretty much got it
the rest is just putting reps in to get the muscle memory down and perfecting your form.
Sure it's not gonna be easy to learn either form
from the ground up but I know I'd much rather have learnt the Mongolian draw first myself.
The Mongolians proved witch draw is superior.
love it but i’ve seen this video like 3 years ago. new shorts
This man's accent keeps coming and going like the different hand positions
This feels unnatural for me, i need to practice this more
Me too i just cant seem to draw with my thumb without nearly dislocating my nuckle
I'm just wondering how many pounds that bow is I'm shooting a 64 pound Osage orange handmade bow and I don't see being able to hold the weight at draw with this technique.
@@richardjohnson1891
Hard to say what his bow weight is. Perhaps close to yours... 🤷♂️. Some of the hardcore guys shoot 160 pounds or higher.
In the context of Eastern archery, use your shoulders, with the thumb draw. Many archers actually start from a slightly raised position, if you can grasp that. It helps to watch videos of people shooting in Manchu, Turkish, Arab, etc. styles. Also, starting with a very light weight bow is practically necessary when learning the technique.
I just read “How to shoot a horse whilst riding a bow.”
I need to go back to sleep.
American archery looolllll
Indians had plenty of archery. I'm not sure what's so funny. 🤔
Indigenous Americans did plenty of archery before the firearms trade took over, and even then...
Another example of someone who doesn’t know history lmao
American arrows come in varying sizes. 9mm, 30-06, 50 BMG, etc...
and we still got ppl gatekeeping saying it doesnt work because the arrow would fall