It's undeniable how much of an impact this one dragon has had on not only the characters in the story, but fans for sure. Question of the day: What's a mode of transportation you've never tried before? My answer: A motorcycle. I'd love to do it sometime only if I was guaranteed of safety lol
I’ve never been on a train or a motorcycle, tho motorcycle would be fun (In southeast asia, there are A LOT of motorcycles. You can see pictures of swarms of motorcycles that look all jumbled up, but when they turn it’s very coordinated)
Yes they do, they should be put in an honored spot in a royal aquarium. Thank you for my new headcanon. When Anemone (Or maybe Tsunami) becomes queen, they will order for those exact eels to be put in an honored aquarium near the throne.
I wanna let anemone in a room with whirlpool tied to a chair with a servant who will get anything anemone would like You can let your mind figure the one out
Raises my hand lol He's actually my favorite character BECAUSE of how sly and evil he is. I love how two-faced he was, and wish he lived so I could read more of him :/
It makes me wonder why Coral began to like him anyway. I mean, there has to be some history there other than just the scroll ink, right? Also, with Coral being so protective over her daughters, wouldn't she... yknow... care about the whole situation? She kinda just comes across like an enabler. She's very busy, but that seems like it should be high on her concern list?
Yeah, Queen Coral is LOW on my list of good moms in WoF. She basically ignores her sons, acts like she owns her daughters while not caring about thier emotional well-being, enables Whirlpool to be a creep, and puts Tsunami in jail.
He deserves his hate, he is the only wof character i hated from the start, when i was reading wof for the first time when i was 12, (or 11) he is a disguising creep, he could have tried to marry Coral after gill died, but he decided to go for the young dragonets.
i kind of think that Coral could have been convinced as well, like he could have said 'its for the good of the kingdom' Coral did seem to love gill, but she also did seem to respect whirlpool (sadly) so i feel like she could have agreed to do it@@Dogloverlikesdoge
Oh yes, Whirlpool is the height of yuck for WoF villains. Although, people like Scarlet or Burn have done worse things, I think the main part about why pretty much everyone hates Whirlpool is that he's evil in the most annoying way possible. And yeah, the fact that whatever Whirlpool's doing is basically the same as what went on in the 16th and 17th centuries of the real world is extra unpalpable
I don’t like whirpool but I don’t hate him, either. I mean, he was a well-developed and interesting character, just not the best dragon.😅 My least favorite character has got to be cottonmouth. I just wasn’t a big fan of what almost seemed like an alternate ending to the third arc, and I wished something. . .else happened. (Maybe to do with our first villain [my favorite of the three] queen wasp, or even our second villain, the breath of evil? But nooooo, a THIRD villain has to be introduced last minute?!🤯)
What makes a villain especially dangerous is his/her ability to play the long game and wait as long as needed to reach their goal. Dodge, from the graphic novel series "Locke and Key", was dangerous because he could wait years for his endgame.
How Whirlpool could’ve been a better antagonist Personality: sly, power-hungry, clever Love interest: Coral (not married) Status: author and makes the stone scrolls Age: 20 Story: Whirlpool was always the sneakiest dragonet. He’d steal things from the older dragons just to get them to play hide-and-seek with him. Whirlpool became friends with Coral, but just because she was royalty and when they grew up, he could be king. Gill ended up becoming king instead, and Whirlpool acted happy for Coral so she’d like him. He set a trap for Gill, but Gill ended up being captured by the Skywings before Whirlpool finished it. Whirlpool then tried to steal Auklet after she hatched and hid her so he could “find” her and be king. Tsunami did find out, so Whirlpool tried to kill her but failed and just told Coral that something must’ve attacked them both and potentially killed Auklet. Before he could “find” Auklet, Anenome brought him to the eel pool and found out Auklet was alive, then killed Whirlpool and retrieved Auklet. He’d still be the same, but more interesting and not as gross
Personally, I never once got the notion that Whirlpool had ANY romantic interest in Coral's daughters and I saw him as nothing more than a pathetic idiot who wanted power by manipulating an immature child exclusively to be dominant in the sea kingdom (so basically diet Darkstalker in wanting the king to rule rather than the queen). He still sucked for wanting to even propose marriage with them (and Coral being fine with Tsunami marrying him is just eughh) and I can't deny his negative influence in Anemone's life in arc 2, but I don't get the full reason to hate his guts: most of his plans failed and overall he was a nothing character in my eyes. At most he felt annoying. Coral was more hateable in this scenario. If anything, I think hating Heath, Jerboa I, Cottonmouth, Diamond or Lagoon with a burning passion is way more deserved. They straight up suck and some of them also manipulated children.
What really disturbed me about Whirlpool was when he said that Anemone probably won't survive the war so he should ask for Auklet instead. A LITERAL NEWBORN CHILD!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM?!
Could I make a video suggestion. If you haven't already, could you make a video on the Weirdling Tower? There is so much we don't know about it, and some new information has recently filtered through from the Guide
@@Aladite I'd like to read it! I made on, as well. It was called "Tour of the Weirdling Tower" in an AU where Burn wins the war and sends dragonets in regular trips to the tower to terrify them into obedience. I added birds with deformed beaks, more stuffed specimens and backstories on the other objects
When I first saw Whirlpool, I was like I’m not sure about you. (and I also had a feeling that Whirlpool attack Tsunami in book two, I wasn’t to sure but he was on my list).
Whirlpool is bad, but I despise Scarlet more. She had Peril kill dragonets in their eggs, while she was practically a hatchling. At least Whirlpool was willing to wait. Scarlet thew Peril in the arena as soon as she got her.
I can't even say his name without gagging >:p But somehow I created a fancharacter that's worse than him--- I shall describe her and yall tell me how revolting she is So she's ment to be the main villain in a fanfic I'm writing. Opal runs a band of assassins in the Scorpion Den, and takes over when Thorn leaves and Vulture dies. She forces her daughter Sidewinder (And probably a few others she tricked into the roll) into prostitution as an incentive to join her creed, and treats them as property, probably even selling them occasionally. If Sidewinder ends up layin an egg and the father doesnt want it, she keeps the eggs in a hatchery in her hacienda, to indoctrinate into the creed for whatever rolls she wants when they hatch. She's also a massive hipocryte, preventing the members of her creed from having any sort of romantic relationship, despite having a daughter of her own and forcing her daughter into prostitution. When she finds out the main characters are married, she straight up murders the husband, and sends hitmen after the wife and daughter. She later kidnaps a young SilkWing to use as ransom against her mother who is also another rising force in the Den, and when her mom refuses to pay ransom, Opal decides the SilkWing dragonet is too ugly and weak to be of any use, even when it got older, so she leaves her stranded on and island (she hadn't grown wings yet) She was also about to straight up sell her daughter to a NightWing when the MC came crashing through with her own daughter and the SilkWing dragonet and kill her. So yeah how revolted are yall by Opal? In my honest opinion, somehow I've made a character even worse than Whirlpool, and that says A LOT.
A WoF fan that's not a WoF fan: I love Whilrpool! The actual WoF fans: Raging and screaming and can never unheard that😂😂. But honestly, Whirlpool sucks and no-one likes him. This was a great video to talk about despising Whirlpool. I will see you in the next video! Love you (Not in that type of way tho)
Let's not forget that Whirlpool left a little "present" for Anemone to use. With him giving her that knife, along with other Fanwings, I'm pretty sure Whirlpool was polishing Anemone to become just like Albatross. He's just the slimiest dragon IV ever seen.
I also see him as a “pepperoni” mostly because of Anemone saying that he makes her uncomfortable which might be a hint of whirlpool being a “pepperoni” same for him being so selfish
I love how Moon compared Whirlpool to Prof. Umbridge XD Personally i dont entirely hate Whirlpool as much as i despise Umbridge (i hate her w a passion). BUT Im not saying that i like him. He was a twisted, power-hungry dragon who was very creepy on so many levels.
Yeah, his biggest offense was his intention to marry a child. And then ,presumably, consummate said marriage. So as soon as Tsunami showed up, and Auklet hatching, he concludes that rather than it being a matter of self-interested necessity, he could just choose which child he wanted to take advantage of. The only other thing that comes close to that sort of villainy is when Darkstalker uses his magic to hypnotise Fierceteeth and perform body-altering experiments on her, with the intention that she be a substitute for Clearsight with whom he would then want to have kids. We are fortunately spared having to ponder it any further because Darkstalker gets mad, undoes the damage and makes her leave.
Fr, ngl his art is done so well, I was inspired to make a character that had that vibe and personality (but isn't a creep like him) He's a disgrace to a name as nice as whirlpool
Whirlpool isn’t really that bad…aside from the fact that he’s like 30 something and he wants to marry Anemone who is 3 yrs old. He was mostly just there but yea he is disgusting. If we’re counting scavengers then my least favorite is uncontestedly Undauntable, if we’re not counting scavengers then it would be Thorn (I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this)
Bro, Whirlpool was my FAVORITE character in the entire franchise. He's so slimy and sinister and I WISH he lived long enough to be more of a presence. It sucks that he was a character stuck to just one book :( I wanted more of him dude, it sucks that I don't get to read more of his schemes.
HEY I FRIGGIN LOVE WHIRLPOOL is it weird that I do? I mean, I LOVE his personality so, am I weird? My least favorite is probably Magnificent she's just a huge narcissist (honestly I'm a little bit of a narcissist myself ) So yeah I'm definitely gonna get hated on
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It's undeniable how much of an impact this one dragon has had on not only the characters in the story, but fans for sure.
Question of the day: What's a mode of transportation you've never tried before?
My answer: A motorcycle. I'd love to do it sometime only if I was guaranteed of safety lol
Never been on a motercycle either
I’ve been on a motorcycle but I didn’t like it. Not my style.😅
I’d like to go on an old fashioned train, like the Hogwarts express!😁
I’ve never been on a train or a motorcycle, tho motorcycle would be fun (In southeast asia, there are A LOT of motorcycles. You can see pictures of swarms of motorcycles that look all jumbled up, but when they turn it’s very coordinated)
Motorcycle.
Never been in a Motorcycle
Or a Dropped Truck
Those eels that killed him deserves better
HELPP LOL
Yes they do, they should be put in an honored spot in a royal aquarium.
Thank you for my new headcanon. When Anemone (Or maybe Tsunami) becomes queen, they will order for those exact eels to be put in an honored aquarium near the throne.
I love this
@@golden_opal6050FR, I’M HAVING THAT HEADCANON AS WELL
the eels need oscars
I may or may have not found a WOF fan that had “Whirlpool” and “dating” under the hashtags of their post, truly a rare find indeed
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@@Dogloverlikesdoge If you wanna see it, search up “glimmerspirals whirlpool”
interesting
I'm now going to eat a live grenade
Was it meant to be ironic?
He’s lucky the eels got to him before I could
HELP fr 😭
It’s a rare find when you find a wings of fire fan that doesn’t want to drop-kick whirlpool
I wanna let anemone in a room with whirlpool tied to a chair with a servant who will get anything anemone would like
You can let your mind figure the one out
XD
The only people like that are the ones that haven't read the books
truly you have shiny hunter luck if you come across one of those
Raises my hand lol
He's actually my favorite character BECAUSE of how sly and evil he is. I love how two-faced he was, and wish he lived so I could read more of him :/
It makes me wonder why Coral began to like him anyway. I mean, there has to be some history there other than just the scroll ink, right?
Also, with Coral being so protective over her daughters, wouldn't she... yknow... care about the whole situation? She kinda just comes across like an enabler. She's very busy, but that seems like it should be high on her concern list?
Yeah, Queen Coral is LOW on my list of good moms in WoF. She basically ignores her sons, acts like she owns her daughters while not caring about thier emotional well-being, enables Whirlpool to be a creep, and puts Tsunami in jail.
He deserves his hate, he is the only wof character i hated from the start, when i was reading wof for the first time when i was 12, (or 11) he is a disguising creep, he could have tried to marry Coral after gill died, but he decided to go for the young dragonets.
LITERALLYYY he could've tried really hard to convince Coral to marry him but no, he fantasized about dragonets and hatchlings
i kind of think that Coral could have been convinced as well, like he could have said 'its for the good of the kingdom' Coral did seem to love gill, but she also did seem to respect whirlpool (sadly) so i feel like she could have agreed to do it@@Dogloverlikesdoge
Whirlpool:
the whole fandom: Tui..... WHAT IS THIS?!??!
Oh yes, Whirlpool is the height of yuck for WoF villains. Although, people like Scarlet or Burn have done worse things, I think the main part about why pretty much everyone hates Whirlpool is that he's evil in the most annoying way possible. And yeah, the fact that whatever Whirlpool's doing is basically the same as what went on in the 16th and 17th centuries of the real world is extra unpalpable
My prediction is that this mysterious character is Whirpool.
I could be wrong though.
Lol
Me when my friends ask me way I grimace &/or gag whenever I hear the word Whirlpool: "IT'S THE LAW!"
BAHA
I don’t like whirpool but I don’t hate him, either. I mean, he was a well-developed and interesting character, just not the best dragon.😅
My least favorite character has got to be cottonmouth. I just wasn’t a big fan of what almost seemed like an alternate ending to the third arc, and I wished something. . .else happened. (Maybe to do with our first villain [my favorite of the three] queen wasp, or even our second villain, the breath of evil? But nooooo, a THIRD villain has to be introduced last minute?!🤯)
Cottonmouth is so underhated honestly, I think everyone has just forgotten about him but he still did some crazy stuff
I feel same about whirlepool I mean I don’t like him but I don’t hate him I just think he is annoying
For as much as I hate him, he was AMAZING at being hated!
XDD
What makes a villain especially dangerous is his/her ability to play the long game and wait as long as needed to reach their goal. Dodge, from the graphic novel series "Locke and Key", was dangerous because he could wait years for his endgame.
Exactly fr
How Whirlpool could’ve been a better antagonist
Personality: sly, power-hungry, clever
Love interest: Coral (not married)
Status: author and makes the stone scrolls
Age: 20
Story: Whirlpool was always the sneakiest dragonet. He’d steal things from the older dragons just to get them to play hide-and-seek with him. Whirlpool became friends with Coral, but just because she was royalty and when they grew up, he could be king. Gill ended up becoming king instead, and Whirlpool acted happy for Coral so she’d like him. He set a trap for Gill, but Gill ended up being captured by the Skywings before Whirlpool finished it. Whirlpool then tried to steal Auklet after she hatched and hid her so he could “find” her and be king. Tsunami did find out, so Whirlpool tried to kill her but failed and just told Coral that something must’ve attacked them both and potentially killed Auklet. Before he could “find” Auklet, Anenome brought him to the eel pool and found out Auklet was alive, then killed Whirlpool and retrieved Auklet. He’d still be the same, but more interesting and not as gross
i respect the eels HUGELY. if they weren’t here, we would’ve been suffering with him forever.
I still have shivers from his name
I’m pretty sure that coral is just very very gullible. Also we might also hate him because he’s nasty and gross especially the way tui described him
Personally, I never once got the notion that Whirlpool had ANY romantic interest in Coral's daughters and I saw him as nothing more than a pathetic idiot who wanted power by manipulating an immature child exclusively to be dominant in the sea kingdom (so basically diet Darkstalker in wanting the king to rule rather than the queen).
He still sucked for wanting to even propose marriage with them (and Coral being fine with Tsunami marrying him is just eughh) and I can't deny his negative influence in Anemone's life in arc 2, but I don't get the full reason to hate his guts: most of his plans failed and overall he was a nothing character in my eyes. At most he felt annoying. Coral was more hateable in this scenario.
If anything, I think hating Heath, Jerboa I, Cottonmouth, Diamond or Lagoon with a burning passion is way more deserved. They straight up suck and some of them also manipulated children.
I agree.
What really disturbed me about Whirlpool was when he said that Anemone probably won't survive the war so he should ask for Auklet instead. A LITERAL NEWBORN CHILD!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM?!
A logical strategy for someone whose goal is to become king, it doesn't take two brain cells to understand. 😑
@@mylastdayalivefr3647 True, but like, the age difference is what freaks me out.
0:28 I totally agree.whirlpool is the worst.
Could I make a video suggestion. If you haven't already, could you make a video on the Weirdling Tower? There is so much we don't know about it, and some new information has recently filtered through from the Guide
That's a great idea!
Yess I absolutely love the tower, we need to normalize weird dragons, I made my own little fan story inspired by the dragons that were in there!
@@Aladite I'd like to read it! I made on, as well. It was called "Tour of the Weirdling Tower" in an AU where Burn wins the war and sends dragonets in regular trips to the tower to terrify them into obedience. I added birds with deformed beaks, more stuffed specimens and backstories on the other objects
Point 1. He’s Whirlpool
When I first saw Whirlpool, I was like I’m not sure about you. (and I also had a feeling that Whirlpool attack Tsunami in book two, I wasn’t to sure but he was on my list).
Whirlpool is bad, but I despise Scarlet more. She had Peril kill dragonets in their eggs, while she was practically a hatchling. At least Whirlpool was willing to wait. Scarlet thew Peril in the arena as soon as she got her.
FINALY SOMEONE ACTUALY HATES SCARLET gosh, cuz everyone aways think shes the best but she sucks
@@bl4me_me Morally she sucks but she's a very fun character to read about
@@osheridanI agree but I still hate whirlpool and scarlet
I can't even say his name without gagging >:p
But somehow I created a fancharacter that's worse than him---
I shall describe her and yall tell me how revolting she is
So she's ment to be the main villain in a fanfic I'm writing.
Opal runs a band of assassins in the Scorpion Den, and takes over when Thorn leaves and Vulture dies. She forces her daughter Sidewinder (And probably a few others she tricked into the roll) into prostitution as an incentive to join her creed, and treats them as property, probably even selling them occasionally. If Sidewinder ends up layin an egg and the father doesnt want it, she keeps the eggs in a hatchery in her hacienda, to indoctrinate into the creed for whatever rolls she wants when they hatch.
She's also a massive hipocryte, preventing the members of her creed from having any sort of romantic relationship, despite having a daughter of her own and forcing her daughter into prostitution. When she finds out the main characters are married, she straight up murders the husband, and sends hitmen after the wife and daughter.
She later kidnaps a young SilkWing to use as ransom against her mother who is also another rising force in the Den, and when her mom refuses to pay ransom, Opal decides the SilkWing dragonet is too ugly and weak to be of any use, even when it got older, so she leaves her stranded on and island (she hadn't grown wings yet)
She was also about to straight up sell her daughter to a NightWing when the MC came crashing through with her own daughter and the SilkWing dragonet and kill her.
So yeah how revolted are yall by Opal? In my honest opinion, somehow I've made a character even worse than Whirlpool, and that says A LOT.
Ok so uhm I have to say somthing…I don’t hate whirlpool I…..
…..DESPISE HIM.
A WoF fan that's not a WoF fan:
I love Whilrpool!
The actual WoF fans: Raging and screaming and can never unheard that😂😂. But honestly, Whirlpool sucks and no-one likes him. This was a great video to talk about despising Whirlpool. I will see you in the next video! Love you (Not in that type of way tho)
Yep, Whirlpool is just a parade of red flags. Not enough red flags in a flag store to equal him.
Let's not forget that Whirlpool left a little "present" for Anemone to use. With him giving her that knife, along with other Fanwings, I'm pretty sure Whirlpool was polishing Anemone to become just like Albatross. He's just the slimiest dragon IV ever seen.
I also see him as a “pepperoni” mostly because of Anemone saying that he makes her uncomfortable which might be a hint of whirlpool being a “pepperoni” same for him being so selfish
The moment I saw Whirlpool on the thumbnail I nearly tossed my table in disgust.
Good things the eels got him or all the fan would of we can just get peril to do it >:)
Hey dise anyone remember Queen Dimond's animus enchantment on Foeslayer? I wish I could do that to Whrilpool.
I love how Moon compared Whirlpool to Prof. Umbridge XD
Personally i dont entirely hate Whirlpool as much as i despise Umbridge (i hate her w a passion). BUT Im not saying that i like him. He was a twisted, power-hungry dragon who was very creepy on so many levels.
when i see smt so bad its just- yikes i say to my wof friend i say `I JUST SAW SOMETHING I WOULDENT WISH ON WHIRLPOOL`
Yeah, his biggest offense was his intention to marry a child. And then ,presumably, consummate said marriage. So as soon as Tsunami showed up, and Auklet hatching, he concludes that rather than it being a matter of self-interested necessity, he could just choose which child he wanted to take advantage of.
The only other thing that comes close to that sort of villainy is when Darkstalker uses his magic to hypnotise Fierceteeth and perform body-altering experiments on her, with the intention that she be a substitute for Clearsight with whom he would then want to have kids. We are fortunately spared having to ponder it any further because Darkstalker gets mad, undoes the damage and makes her leave.
"Whirlpool" and "good person" do not belong in the same sentence.
You sure about that?
“Whirlpool is the total opposite of a good person.”
Only when you say it that way.
Whirlpool is being stabbed to death by a good person
Maybe they should name auklet walrus :3
Tbh i like Whirlpool. But i absolutely HATE Coral and Lagoon
EVERYONE PLS SUPPORT HER!
not to be rude, but the image transitions make the video kind of hard to watch :[ maybe just do regular transitions that don't cut the image up?
Whirlpool sucks but hes not worse than queen diamond
poor guy, i wish he was treated better, poor
eel
Yeah the eels should have their own palace
@@DefNotEnder their own palace with their own mansion with the best food ever
Whirlpool Deserves too be in the maskare of albatross ! 😥🙄😭😈
I actually like Whirlpool. I don’t like certain actions that he did, but I love his personality and love him as a villain.
Fr, ngl his art is done so well, I was inspired to make a character that had that vibe and personality (but isn't a creep like him)
He's a disgrace to a name as nice as whirlpool
Whirlpool is the Thistleclaw of WOF
don't mess with whirlpool fans
seriously there's only three of us, i'll cry
He's the wof version of quagmire from family guy
poor eals they desereve better
One hour ago? Wow honestly lol. I don’t love or hate whirlpool. Good villain, bad dude. Idk why tho.
I think we can all agree here that Whirlpool deserved a worse death than just being electrocuted with a million volts by a bunch of stupid eels.
I kinda like whirlpool...
As a friend to be clear not...
Is that wierd?
“Wings of Fire dragons who drag on”
Heya howya doin
Don’t tell anyone I hate him too :3
Whirlpool isn’t really that bad…aside from the fact that he’s like 30 something and he wants to marry Anemone who is 3 yrs old. He was mostly just there but yea he is disgusting. If we’re counting scavengers then my least favorite is uncontestedly Undauntable, if we’re not counting scavengers then it would be Thorn (I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this)
I hate whirlpool
(I'm sorry if I'm annoying if I chat to much. I'm ten so that's probably why)
IM SO SORRY THAT IM LATE IM SORRY😭😭
I have a whirlpool microwave his in my house!😂
i have never been on a train :0 have a good day
I bet the reason Whirlpool was a groomer in the first place was because Erin Hunter helped write it.
Hi N!
Whirlpool deserves worse
Bro, Whirlpool was my FAVORITE character in the entire franchise. He's so slimy and sinister and I WISH he lived long enough to be more of a presence. It sucks that he was a character stuck to just one book :( I wanted more of him dude, it sucks that I don't get to read more of his schemes.
personally i hate blister and morrowseer more
Knew it.😂
Hi
HEY I FRIGGIN LOVE WHIRLPOOL is it weird that I do? I mean, I LOVE his personality so, am I weird? My least favorite is probably Magnificent she's just a huge narcissist (honestly I'm a little bit of a narcissist myself ) So yeah I'm definitely gonna get hated on
Interesting...
Same! He's actually a pretty cool character. It's what he does to achieve his goals that make me want to throw him into a pit of eels. Oh wait.
I hate Magnificent too. SHE'S SO INFURIATING!!
Bro Whirlpool is the bad MAP
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Monke
Oop
Whirlpool SUCK!!!!!!
Sorry but Moons worst than Whirlpool
How so?
@@childeofepickness well, it’s just my opinion but Moons like the Center of attention and doesn’t really pay attention to much
@@DuskTheSpiderSilkWingmoonwatcher? We talking about the same dragon? Cause you’re crazy if you think moonwatcher is worse than whirlpool.
@@Hershey1000 Whaddya think? Is there two Moons in wings of fire? Oh yeah, there’s three. 💀💀💀
@@DuskTheSpiderSilkWing eh never mind bro, moonwatcher is terrible.