Watching this four and a half years after you uploaded, and I finally understood what the Sram Double Tap is about, for the first time in my life. I had read and heard poorly written descriptions, comparing it to a double click of a computer mouse! Oh boy. Thank you for this video and many others, you're creating great and valuable content and doing it in a foreign language as well. Great stuff. Thank you.
I have SRAM Rival X1, all i needed is 10 min to adjust to new shifting system and that is it! I never gone too far or too low it very simple and you get feel for that in a few minutes!
Maybe the two-stage operation of Shimano levers is something looked for so that the change is actually smoother when done in two different steps, since there is a fraction of time when the chain is attached to both cogs at the same time, allowing for an uninterrupted transmission of power to the rear wheel?
I have the Shimano group on my road bike, just bought a cyclocross racer with 1*11 SRAM system and was wondering how to properly operate it. Thanks for this already older but very clear video, covering all my questions. Not sure about my preference yet, will have to see in practice, but the advantage of directness in shifting with the SRAM certainly appeals to me.
Good video. You should do something about "trimming" the front derailleur. With Shimano there are two front chainrings of course but four front derailleur positions, which allows you to trim the front derailleur so there's no rubbing. Whenever I change onto the big chainring I shift the main lever all the way and then quickly afterwards the small lever just softly to trim it back slightly so there's no rubbing of the chain halfway up the cassette.
You must have incorrect FD settings unless your are going onto the big ring when in too small a rear gear, which would be incorrect gear selection in that case
Thank you greatly for this simply but brilliant explanation , I just literally started riding a road bike after 5 years of mountain bike. The road bike has a SRAM rival gear setup. I now understand how to use the gear changing after so much hit and miss changes after my first ride. Thank you
Love double tap. The quality of the shift is superb, especially under power and is a joy to use. 5800 is clunky and noisy in comparison to Force22. The biggest flaw is knowing when on the largest cog at the back, if you try to change down again, it moves up a gear to the next smallest, not what you want on a 15% gradient!
I have Campagnolo (Xenon, I believe) on one of My bikes. The thing is, the small shifter tab sticks out and can break if it bumps against something. One of Mine broke a few years ago, while boarding a ferry. I ended up buying a new one. Also, the Campagnolo shifting is a bit more rudimentary compared to the Shimano's (and, I assume, SRAM's). On the positive note, however, even the Campagnolo Xenon has carbon levers. Much as I can't stand Shimano (owing to their manufacture of fishing crap), I must admit their bicycle components are generally very reliable. Of SRAM I only had a couple of grip shifts and derailleurs on My old mountain bikes. I also prefer the Centrelock hub-rotor interface over the 6-bolt standard - a much superior visual and mechanical design, but also less hassle to change remove or discs. On the negative side, companies like Schmidt NabenDynamo only have boring black and silver Centrelock hub [dynamos], as opposed to a wide variety of beautiful anodised colours in their 6-bolt range: doesn't make sense at all!
I have all 3; Campy Record , SRAM Red and Shimano Dura Ace. When I'm racing, I prefer SRAM. When I'm on a long distance century, I like Campy. When I'm training I'd go with Dura Ace. I'm weird. Lol
Great video. Now I have an idea how the SRAM double tap works. I currently use a Campagnolo but I'm also familiar with the Shimano shifting. I like the Campagnolo on how easy it is to shift but I think my Shimano Ultegra shifts smoother than my Campy Record. It's also quieter.
If Campy made Shimano compatible shifters, that would be the best of all. Most intuitive system IMO, and easiest to repair. Never liked having the brake lever serve double duty as a shifter like you get on Shimano. My young daughter is getting into road cycling/racing, and was totally put off by the Shimano system. I did regular standard brake levers and separate trigger shifters for her. A bit bulky, but better for her confidence intuition at this point. I am building a all Shimano/Shimano compatible road bike these days, and was thrilled to discover the SRAM system.
I like SRAM's YAW derailleurs. Never have to worry about trim so long as you dial it in right. Trim with Shimano is a little bit a PITA. Though, the Shimano shifting is much quieter.
Good info. Thanks for the video. However, you got "downshifting" wrong. Downshifting on the rear means going from a higher gear to a lower gear, not a bigger cog to a smaller cog. This is the "H Rule: Higher gear = Harder gear." This applies to the front derailleur as well, making it less confusing (since moving from big to small ring is actually downshifting). Just follow the H Rule ☺
I've got an new bike and I choose SRAM shifters cause I can't deal with the break leaver clapping away if I really need them in traffic (well maybe too short fingers, don't know that). Well that's why I don't have to get used to them (well of course I do, cause I never experienced a drop bar before, but not in relation to Shimano).
im using shimano 105 5800, with the shimano rear shifter i can up shift 1 to 3 gears in one swing of the break lever depending how far out the swing. how does sram achieve that? im curious you didnt mention the trim function of shimano front shifter that removes chain rub and effectively give it 4 position instead of 2 like you mentioned. how does sram achieve the trimming effect?
Fajne video. Miałem oba systemy i obecnie zostałem przy SRAM Force i Red. Po jakimś czasie zmiana biegów jest intuicyjna, chociaż zdarza się "przekliknąć"SRAMa. Lubię za to charakterystyczne kliknięcie dla SRAMa, mam wrażenie, że biegi "pewniej" siadają. Shimano jednak więcej wybacza jesli chodzi o czystość napędu. SRAM lubi, gdy jest regularnie czyszczony, z Shimano jest nieco inaczej.
So you cannot use the rear brakes and downshift at the same time with SRAM? I think this is the main advantage of Shimano STI. You can downshift while braking at the sametime so that you'll be ready to go by the time you have slowed down. I guess you could do this with SRAM but you won't be able to use the rear brakes while downshifting.
Yes! The amount of time I upshift and break at the same time is quite a bit. I've had all groupsets and like all of them for their differences but this is why I prefer to ride Shimano when racing.
I've used both and think DoubleTap is just better. If I'm wearing gloves, I often accidentally touch the big lever and no gear change happens. Also, it's just way more complicated anyway. The one button principle just works better in every way.
what about a crash ? shimano levers in case of a bike crash can pivot inwards (inside) and maybe they can still shift and brake but what about the Sram levers...they can't pivot inwards so, isn't there a greater chance they get damaged ? Someone who has encountered such a situation is welcome to share...THX
I've crashed multiple times with my shimano groupset and the levers do indeed move out of thier own way. Hardly a scratch on them still after 3 years and 5 major crashes. However I miss shifts with shimano a lot. Not only because of the big lever mix up but because the levers have slop too making it hard to shift quickly. Which is why I'm looking into SRAM force 22. Cheap to replace a lever too.
I agree with you, probably unintentional, but a great feature from STI's. Another thing that I like is also that I can abort shifts using both levers at the time. This works for the front derailleur in which I can semi-engage the shift and release the lever to shift from the biggest ring to the smallest, or if I feel I can do it, I can just pull the two levers to stay on the same gear I had. I use this very frequently when approaching a hill.
Changing gears shouldn't need to be done in a hurry. I've never had to do it in a hurry because having ridden motorcycles for many many years I am very used to making sure I am ready to change gears early, so my left finger is always on the clutch lever early. The same thing happens with the finger about to change gear with on a bicycle. Therefore, it's pretty hard not to have my finger in the correct position when I change gear. That's why I don't flick two levers together, and it's why I prefer the Shimano method.
Great vid. I just test drove two bicycles using each of these systems for the first time. My preference was without question SRAM. I preferred its simplistic single lever design and fixed brake lever position. The Shimano, to me, was a little unsettling when I'd attempt to grab a fist full of brake only to find the lever moving laterally away from my grip.
Here doing some research. Always have used Shimano on ALL my bikes: MTB, Road bikes and Fixies! Shimano XTR on my MTB was GR8! Unfortunately, with hard constant use, the parts eventually wore out! I was thinking of upgrading/changing to Sram, that being an American brand; however, I have found Sram components to be pretty expensive and was just wondering was the change from Shim. (which I have been greatly satisfied) to Sram worth the hard money?!
That is just such a broad question it's impossible to answer. Shimano is generally cheaper because they're simply selling more stuff and manufacturing at a larger scale. As for durability, you have to test it out yourself. I have personally had very bad luck with Shimano chains wearing out quickly and sometimes wearing out prematurely after less than 500km. Either way, all components will wear out eventually. If you ride a lot, it might actually be better to ride cheaper groupsets, which usually have all the features and quality, just use heavier materials and can even be more durable.
I really like the sram apex sti's, but it needs some time to feel comfort with because it's a small point between upshifting one or two gears :) but you need to say, that the shifter can put all the way down to the handlebar so you can do the fist with the shifter in it for fast riding. I'm playing around with it everytime:) but I was in search of a video showing what can be adjusted at srams stis;)
I have never done the mistake you told about at 5:35 of touching the shift up lever while shifting down and it never happens, thats a very very weak point
yea but there still a chance imagine if your a tdf rider and your lining up for the final attack 100 meter from the finishing line and you go for the gears and you misshift that shift might cost you the stage victory
You've never ridden in cold weather with bulky gloves on then. It happens nearly every ride for me with Ultegra and Dura Ace in my late winter/early spring rides. That being said, I still prefer Shimano.
when I'm on reallyreally steep climb at biggest rear cog. I try to shift to more easier gear, with shimano I can't shift at half way and I'm stay in easiest gear, but with sram some time I push to about half way of 2nd tab and then I release that shift to smaller cog then I can't do anything more than fall out the cleat.
What shifters do you have on the bike GT bike behind you? I am looking to switch to a mustache burs, but want to keep my gears. (I have mustache on my single speed already)
Eh, yes but not really. First, Sensahs /had/ the problem of the shifting system breaking after a few hundred kilometers of use, though they already fixed it by changing materials of some parts of the system. Second, you can't really shift while braking on the Sensahs (which I believe you can do on Shimano, Sram, and Campagnolo shifters)... that is, unless you use "hack" their system. I'll direct you to TraceVelo's videos for that
I will build my bike shortly and thinking about going SRAM, can someone tell me if SRAM shifters are compatible with SHIMANO braking system? What stuff do I need for that to make these two brands compatible with each other? thanks
I prefer Shimano because the 2 levers is a bit more idiot and lazy proof for me. With SRAM I either push to far or not far enough. For idiots like me I feel as though Shimano works better.
i just puirchased a Giant tcr sl2 with sram shifting gears, but i have also seen these TCR bikes with shimano gears, i still like the bike even with sram gears, it would not have made a difference to me cause i really wanted the bike, so know ill just have to get use to changin the gears with sram, which is no big problem.
On the missing the gear topic. I ride 75 to 80 miles every single day. I've been doing it for 2 years straight. I have never once ever touched the brake lever when shifting causing it to miss a gear.
I rented a gravel bike recently with the double tap system. It is awful! Very confusing. Specially coming from a shimano shifter. I would not install one of those in any of my bikes
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Shimano is 1000x better. I have completed this process a million times, and it is automatic based upon my cadence and feel. Sti is probably off patent. Why sram would invent an inferior version is a mystery.
Sram is superior. Takes 5 monites to learn. Shimano is more unnecessary parts, movements, and takes several rides to learn. Shimano is stupid for not copying the sram single lever
Watching this four and a half years after you uploaded, and I finally understood what the Sram Double Tap is about, for the first time in my life. I had read and heard poorly written descriptions, comparing it to a double click of a computer mouse! Oh boy. Thank you for this video and many others, you're creating great and valuable content and doing it in a foreign language as well. Great stuff. Thank you.
I have SRAM Rival X1, all i needed is 10 min to adjust to new shifting system and that is it! I never gone too far or too low it very simple and you get feel for that in a few minutes!
I started with a Shimano 105 equipped bike and was really confused by the SRAM system up until that video, thanks for the explanation
I like SRAM's shifting sound. Rough. Dry clutch feels. Music on the road.
Then I started pedalling harder. Awesome.
Maybe the two-stage operation of Shimano levers is something looked for so that the change is actually smoother when done in two different steps, since there is a fraction of time when the chain is attached to both cogs at the same time, allowing for an uninterrupted transmission of power to the rear wheel?
+Diego Riesco I never thought if it that way...
I have the Shimano group on my road bike, just bought a cyclocross racer with 1*11 SRAM system and was wondering how to properly operate it. Thanks for this already older but very clear video, covering all my questions. Not sure about my preference yet, will have to see in practice, but the advantage of directness in shifting with the SRAM certainly appeals to me.
Thank you for the information on how to shift 2 gears with the SRAM system.
Thanks too!
Good video. You should do something about "trimming" the front derailleur. With Shimano there are two front chainrings of course but four front derailleur positions, which allows you to trim the front derailleur so there's no rubbing. Whenever I change onto the big chainring I shift the main lever all the way and then quickly afterwards the small lever just softly to trim it back slightly so there's no rubbing of the chain halfway up the cassette.
+podfunk Thanks for your comment!
You must have incorrect FD settings unless your are going onto the big ring when in too small a rear gear, which would be incorrect gear selection in that case
Thank you greatly for this simply but brilliant explanation , I just literally started riding a road bike after 5 years of mountain bike. The road bike has a SRAM rival gear setup. I now understand how to use the gear changing after so much hit and miss changes after my first ride. Thank you
Love double tap. The quality of the shift is superb, especially under power and is a joy to use. 5800 is clunky and noisy in comparison to Force22. The biggest flaw is knowing when on the largest cog at the back, if you try to change down again, it moves up a gear to the next smallest, not what you want on a 15% gradient!
are the sram force a good replaecment for Durace? is it compatible with shimano derailleur?
I have Campagnolo (Xenon, I believe) on one of My bikes. The thing is, the small shifter tab sticks out and can break if it bumps against something. One of Mine broke a few years ago, while boarding a ferry. I ended up buying a new one. Also, the Campagnolo shifting is a bit more rudimentary compared to the Shimano's (and, I assume, SRAM's). On the positive note, however, even the Campagnolo Xenon has carbon levers.
Much as I can't stand Shimano (owing to their manufacture of fishing crap), I must admit their bicycle components are generally very reliable. Of SRAM I only had a couple of grip shifts and derailleurs on My old mountain bikes. I also prefer the Centrelock hub-rotor interface over the 6-bolt standard - a much superior visual and mechanical design, but also less hassle to change remove or discs. On the negative side, companies like Schmidt NabenDynamo only have boring black and silver Centrelock hub [dynamos], as opposed to a wide variety of beautiful anodised colours in their 6-bolt range: doesn't make sense at all!
I have all 3; Campy Record , SRAM Red and Shimano Dura Ace. When I'm racing, I prefer SRAM. When I'm on a long distance century, I like Campy. When I'm training I'd go with Dura Ace. I'm weird. Lol
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Awesome video. Very clear and thorough. Thanks!
Thank you for this! I got a new bike with SRAM single lever, and I needed to know how to reach the larger cogs!
John Swift me too!
Great video. Now I have an idea how the SRAM double tap works. I currently use a Campagnolo but I'm also familiar with the Shimano shifting. I like the Campagnolo on how easy it is to shift but I think my Shimano Ultegra shifts smoother than my Campy Record. It's also quieter.
Oldie but goodie.. Got me sorted out on the differences. Thank you
If Campy made Shimano compatible shifters, that would be the best of all. Most intuitive system IMO, and easiest to repair. Never liked having the brake lever serve double duty as a shifter like you get on Shimano. My young daughter is getting into road cycling/racing, and was totally put off by the Shimano system. I did regular standard brake levers and separate trigger shifters for her. A bit bulky, but better for her confidence intuition at this point.
I am building a all Shimano/Shimano compatible road bike these days, and was thrilled to discover the SRAM system.
That was a great review and explanation, thank you so much.
If I were to choose, I'd go for campagnolo. But it's too expensive. So I'll settle for Shimano.
Good explications on how do the two system work
I have 3 bikes with all 3!
I like the Campy first (most comfortable and ergonomic), then Shimano (ease) and SRAM.
But they're all pretty good.
I like SRAM's YAW derailleurs. Never have to worry about trim so long as you dial it in right. Trim with Shimano is a little bit a PITA. Though, the Shimano shifting is much quieter.
+Yo-yo That's right, the Yaw system makes riders life really easier.
+cannondany but not necesserily for technicians, rather difficult to adjust
Ran Chen Agreed, I know some RED users who are still running their derailleurs with a little chain rub because of how difficult it is to index,
great video. it vanished all my doubts about the systems. great explanation. thanks for that.
Good info. Thanks for the video.
However, you got "downshifting" wrong. Downshifting on the rear means going from a higher gear to a lower gear, not a bigger cog to a smaller cog. This is the "H Rule: Higher gear = Harder gear." This applies to the front derailleur as well, making it less confusing (since moving from big to small ring is actually downshifting). Just follow the H Rule ☺
Thanks for the explanation! Makes my first bike choice a bit easier
I've got an new bike and I choose SRAM shifters cause I can't deal with the break leaver clapping away if I really need them in traffic (well maybe too short fingers, don't know that).
Well that's why I don't have to get used to them (well of course I do, cause I never experienced a drop bar before, but not in relation to Shimano).
im using shimano 105 5800, with the shimano rear shifter i can up shift 1 to 3 gears in one swing of the break lever depending how far out the swing.
how does sram achieve that?
im curious you didnt mention the trim function of shimano front shifter that removes chain rub and effectively give it 4 position instead of 2 like you mentioned.
how does sram achieve the trimming effect?
Fajne video. Miałem oba systemy i obecnie zostałem przy SRAM Force i Red. Po jakimś czasie zmiana biegów jest intuicyjna, chociaż zdarza się "przekliknąć"SRAMa. Lubię za to charakterystyczne kliknięcie dla SRAMa, mam wrażenie, że biegi "pewniej" siadają. Shimano jednak więcej wybacza jesli chodzi o czystość napędu. SRAM lubi, gdy jest regularnie czyszczony, z Shimano jest nieco inaczej.
So you cannot use the rear brakes and downshift at the same time with SRAM? I think this is the main advantage of Shimano STI. You can downshift while braking at the sametime so that you'll be ready to go by the time you have slowed down. I guess you could do this with SRAM but you won't be able to use the rear brakes while downshifting.
Yes! The amount of time I upshift and break at the same time is quite a bit. I've had all groupsets and like all of them for their differences but this is why I prefer to ride Shimano when racing.
I've used both and think DoubleTap is just better. If I'm wearing gloves, I often accidentally touch the big lever and no gear change happens. Also, it's just way more complicated anyway. The one button principle just works better in every way.
Exactly the information I was after, thanks!
what about a crash ? shimano levers in case of a bike crash can pivot inwards (inside) and maybe they can still shift and brake but what about the Sram levers...they can't pivot inwards so, isn't there a greater chance they get damaged ? Someone who has encountered such a situation is welcome to share...THX
I've crashed multiple times with my shimano groupset and the levers do indeed move out of thier own way. Hardly a scratch on them still after 3 years and 5 major crashes. However I miss shifts with shimano a lot. Not only because of the big lever mix up but because the levers have slop too making it hard to shift quickly. Which is why I'm looking into SRAM force 22. Cheap to replace a lever too.
I agree with you, probably unintentional, but a great feature from STI's. Another thing that I like is also that I can abort shifts using both levers at the time. This works for the front derailleur in which I can semi-engage the shift and release the lever to shift from the biggest ring to the smallest, or if I feel I can do it, I can just pull the two levers to stay on the same gear I had. I use this very frequently when approaching a hill.
Well don't crash then! What's wrong with you?
The new Di2 is even better! Wait for it early 2017.
Check out one of my latest videos on XTR Di2. Will soon upload Dura-Ace as well.
This is an excellent video...
Thank you very much for sharing this information
Changing gears shouldn't need to be done in a hurry. I've never had to do it in a hurry because having ridden motorcycles for many many years I am very used to making sure I am ready to change gears early, so my left finger is always on the clutch lever early. The same thing happens with the finger about to change gear with on a bicycle. Therefore, it's pretty hard not to have my finger in the correct position when I change gear. That's why I don't flick two levers together, and it's why I prefer the Shimano method.
great video - as clear as it can be ! thanks a lot
i just got a used carbón bike with Sram rival system and at first i didn't know how it works but ones someone told me how it works, i like it better.
Great vid. I just test drove two bicycles using each of these systems for the first time. My preference was without question SRAM. I preferred its simplistic single lever design and fixed brake lever position. The Shimano, to me, was a little unsettling when I'd attempt to grab a fist full of brake only to find the lever moving laterally away from my grip.
Many thanks for this explanatory vid!
So you prefer Shimano, because ...you're used to them? That's it?
Here doing some research. Always have used Shimano on ALL my bikes: MTB, Road bikes and Fixies! Shimano XTR on my MTB was GR8! Unfortunately, with hard constant use, the parts eventually wore out!
I was thinking of upgrading/changing to Sram, that being an American brand; however, I have found Sram components to be pretty expensive and was just wondering was the change from Shim. (which I have been greatly satisfied) to Sram worth the hard money?!
That is just such a broad question it's impossible to answer. Shimano is generally cheaper because they're simply selling more stuff and manufacturing at a larger scale. As for durability, you have to test it out yourself. I have personally had very bad luck with Shimano chains wearing out quickly and sometimes wearing out prematurely after less than 500km. Either way, all components will wear out eventually. If you ride a lot, it might actually be better to ride cheaper groupsets, which usually have all the features and quality, just use heavier materials and can even be more durable.
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Thanks for the perfect video, you answer exactly my questions. Go on 👍
I really like the sram apex sti's, but it needs some time to feel comfort with because it's a small point between upshifting one or two gears :) but you need to say, that the shifter can put all the way down to the handlebar so you can do the fist with the shifter in it for fast riding. I'm playing around with it everytime:) but I was in search of a video showing what can be adjusted at srams stis;)
I have never done the mistake you told about at 5:35 of touching the shift up lever while shifting down and it never happens, thats a very very weak point
yea but there still a chance imagine if your a tdf rider and your lining up for the final attack 100 meter from the finishing line and you go for the gears and you misshift that shift might cost you the stage victory
easy in cold weather with gloves on
You've never ridden in cold weather with bulky gloves on then. It happens nearly every ride for me with Ultegra and Dura Ace in my late winter/early spring rides. That being said, I still prefer Shimano.
when I'm on reallyreally steep climb at biggest rear cog. I try to shift to more easier gear, with shimano I can't shift at half way and I'm stay in easiest gear, but with sram some time I push to about half way of 2nd tab and then I release that shift to smaller cog then I can't do anything more than fall out the cleat.
What shifters do you have on the bike GT bike behind you? I am looking to switch to a mustache burs, but want to keep my gears. (I have mustache on my single speed already)
Does it means a low end sensah integrated shifters defeats them both by doing all functions in 1 lever?
Eh, yes but not really. First, Sensahs /had/ the problem of the shifting system breaking after a few hundred kilometers of use, though they already fixed it by changing materials of some parts of the system. Second, you can't really shift while braking on the Sensahs (which I believe you can do on Shimano, Sram, and Campagnolo shifters)... that is, unless you use "hack" their system. I'll direct you to TraceVelo's videos for that
Love the video. Could you make one covering the trim functions on Shimano? I can't find a good one.
+Brian Moore Thank you, will do :)
Good explanation!
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I will build my bike shortly and thinking about going SRAM, can someone tell me if SRAM shifters are compatible with SHIMANO braking system? What stuff do I need for that to make these two brands compatible with each other? thanks
Thanks for the info. Very clear instructions.
I prefer Shimano because the 2 levers is a bit more idiot and lazy proof for me. With SRAM I either push to far or not far enough. For idiots like me I feel as though Shimano works better.
+Trent Kleyn Yes, but you have to get used to other shifting systems in order to find all cons and pros.
Any idea if those sram rival 1 calipers will work with the calipers from the red etap (both HRD)?
i just puirchased a Giant tcr sl2 with sram shifting gears, but i have also seen these TCR bikes with shimano gears, i still like the bike even with sram gears, it would not have made a difference to me cause i really wanted the bike, so know ill just have to get use to changin the gears with sram, which is no big problem.
Great explanation! Thanks!
Upshifting is going to a harder gear. Downshifting is going into easier gear.
Sram's double tap is crappy and action is not hard, love the 105 5800 very light action and sti feels comfy and compact to hands
thanks for the explanation... very good!
Any review on sensah 11s empire
Also thought bout that but basically its the same wasn't it ?
On the missing the gear topic. I ride 75 to 80 miles every single day. I've been doing it for 2 years straight. I have never once ever touched the brake lever when shifting causing it to miss a gear.
I rented a gravel bike recently with the double tap system. It is awful! Very confusing. Specially coming from a shimano shifter. I would not install one of those in any of my bikes
Thanks, great video.
This makes it sound all too complicated. I have a SRAM force 1 double tap. There’s no thinking. Took 30 seconds to figure this out.
Shimano has too much of the market share on bikes in North America. I wish more bikes had Sram and Campagnolo.
I like 105 shifters they are just smooth feel nice and fast click click better then my old shimano sora click click smooth .
+Nat bell I like the shape of Shimanos and two separate shifting levers of Campagnolo...
Cool explains
I prefer shimano...shimano shifts quicker and I like the idea of having 2 levers to shift instead of having 1 that does 2 things..
Finally I found how Apex 1 work, the trick was to google Double Tap.
Very nice explanation, thanks!
Campagnolo is the best... 😁
But I have got a Modolo Morphos levers, this methodology is very good. Greatings from Hungary!
Personal preference:
I just feel like Shimano is smoother and can't get use to SRAM and over shifting.
I really need to own a Sram groupset..
I've always used shimano, just bought a bike with sram shifters, hope I can get used to it..
Campag is the best for me
No reason for me to change from Shimano to anything else. It comes down to personal preference. All 3 are proven systems.
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I like sram apex. Why ? Simple, because it came with my bike.
The name says it. ShamaNO.
I've owned both.
tak
a comparison to campagnolo would be nice too xD
+Fahr Rad I'm going to get and test all components possible :)
T0000 much work
Shimano !
Shimano is 1000x better. I have completed this process a million times, and it is automatic based upon my cadence and feel. Sti is probably off patent. Why sram would invent an inferior version is a mystery.
zdaje mi się czy znów najpierw tu jest film? 😂😂😂😂
+_Kabaczek_ Racja :)
Sram is superior. Takes 5 monites to learn.
Shimano is more unnecessary parts, movements, and takes several rides to learn. Shimano is stupid for not copying the sram single lever
Press the wrong lever and you lose all of your momentum too.
Just not a fan of SRAM system. Shimano is so intuitive. Becomes second nature
Music is not necessary and is distracting
Dura ace
Szaju po angielsku hahaha
shimano the best
Bad explanation of the double tap system
Thanks for this helpful explanation