Why you need 85mm lens in your kit | steal deal Meike F/1.8 E mount

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  • @thefrostyvette876
    @thefrostyvette876 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for this video. You are one of the only people on here giving this lens any credit.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are very welcome…. I am a fan of budget lenses… the results speak for itself…

  • @sebastrianw.4673
    @sebastrianw.4673 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Zdenka. Great video. I started looking at this lens.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are very welcome…I am glad you liked the video. Best wishes

  • @anandkulkarni5769
    @anandkulkarni5769 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a humble information delivered 👌

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @worldglimpse3584
    @worldglimpse3584 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very good !👍👍👍

  • @robwasnj
    @robwasnj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something I enjoy about the Sony cameras I have are all the lens options. I actually own all Sony native glass BUT I love that someone starting out has these awesome option that are affordable. My favorite lens is my Sony 135GM... the sharpness and contrast is other worldly, it focuses lightning fast and is an extremely bright optic.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing. That is a great lens you have

  • @DarrensVoice123
    @DarrensVoice123 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great, detailed review -- thank you!

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @ckdesignlab
    @ckdesignlab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this video. After seeing this and wanting one, I realized that I can use my Tamron 70-300mm lens on my Sony A6300 and zoom out to 85mm. The only problem is that it doesn't have a lock focus feature.
    At 85mm it looks fantastic for distant subjects and getting a nice background bokeh. Your video helped me realize that. Thank you!

  • @johnbecich9540
    @johnbecich9540 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am a new owner of the Meike 85mm AF f/1.8 lens. The price is understandably low ($200 USD) because the stepper motor is horrendously loud. AF is "late" but good enough, given the way I use this lens for still photography. Video? Fuggetaboutit with all that noise drowning out the birds chirping and the bees buzzing. And water sealing? I never need that. I keep all my stuff away from sand, filth, salt spray, and moisture, anyway. What I fear is losing some irreplaceable precious lens that I might own, from 50 years ago. So this lens will go in my travel bag, and if I lose it, I won't cry any crocodile tears over this. Meanwhile, the optics are very good! And the lack of pincushion or barrel distortion means I can take multiple shots, while camera is on (or not on) a tripod, and then stitch them together for panoramas. I might have bought a very reputable, and expensive, Sigma 85mm F 1.4 lens, but my diligence convinced me to keep looking. That Sigma lens has pronounced pincushion distortion, which all the reviewers said is easily correctable in Lightroom. Well, I don't own Lightroom, and I don't want to bother to fix pincushion distortion for every picture I stitch into a panorama. Yeah, I know that pincushion is loved by some, for its ability to make everyone look slimmer. Phooey on that, for $1000. THUMBS UP for this noisy, inexpensive, replaceable-if-lost optical champion!

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much for sharing your experience and thoughts on this lens

  • @darrenp1078
    @darrenp1078 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a beginner, and the part from 4:13 to 5:00 makes no sense to me (my untrained eyes can barely tell the difference). But I want to understand what you said. Do you have any videos that explain these basic concepts and give examples? Any keywords I should use to search for answers myself? Thanks

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This video will explain the aperture: th-cam.com/video/YB07UNC3avQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @vtang5
    @vtang5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the sharing, help me to decide to buy one of this len.

  • @nad_photography
    @nad_photography ปีที่แล้ว

    Very useful information about lens and photography 👍🌹

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @caalinAbyan
    @caalinAbyan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can i use this lens in my canon M50?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not the one I have but they have the same one for Canon on their website

  • @mattcero1
    @mattcero1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm about to buy this and knew I had to hear your opinion on it. Question, I have a Sony ZV-E10, a5100 as well as Nikon Z 6ii. I have a Sony EtoZ adapter so my question is this. Is the Sony E version of this the same as the Nikon Z excluding the mount? If so, I'll just buy the Sony version and use it with the adapter on my Nikon Z. Thank you.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unfortunately, I am not sure as I don’t own any Nikon cameras.. sorry

  • @timskinnercanada
    @timskinnercanada ปีที่แล้ว

    I was gifted one of these lenses and tried it on an indoor natural light portrait photoshoot last weekend. I like it and will use it again but colour fringing on backlit photos was bad enough to render some of them completely unusable - but that seems to mostly disappear by about f4. Great channel BTW. Subbed. Best wishes from Ottawa.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for sharing your experience… that is interesting… time always tells once you start using those tools in the field

    • @timskinnercanada
      @timskinnercanada ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZdenkaDarula Absolutely. At that price I can definitely tolerate some quirks. Some of the images were really lovely.

  • @JayneNicoletti
    @JayneNicoletti 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just watching this as I am in the market for a new lens. Is this better for portraits than 50mm? I need to start taking pictures interiors of homes too. I think my 16mm is good for that?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For interiors you have the right lens. The 82 mm focal length is a little bit nicer than 50 mm. It never hurts to have both

    • @JayneNicoletti
      @JayneNicoletti 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula I collect lenses the way women collect handbags lol.

  • @ShafreelCosmos
    @ShafreelCosmos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.
    Zeiss Batis 40mm for street photography in Baltimore City.

  • @rst33079
    @rst33079 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am still using my Nikon 85 1,8 D lens on my D750. Loving it for portraits and more. It is one of my favorite focal lengths. Unfortunately this lens cannot be used on my Z6 with AF, and I have to replace it in the future.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing

  • @albinshine5431
    @albinshine5431 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How about this lens on a crop sensor?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This lens is made for full frame

    • @FLMTrailer
      @FLMTrailer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if you want to get the 85mm on crop sensor get the 50mm

  • @touie98052
    @touie98052 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Z. Good find.

  • @mprichard7
    @mprichard7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi zdenka another hit . My fav lens at mo is eosm 32 but need advice :ie do I carry on with eos m or go Sony due to the mess canon has created .love your videos ,there always good

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing and thank you very much for your support

  • @aNumberOne
    @aNumberOne ปีที่แล้ว

    On a apsc camera it’s a 127mm 1.8

  • @michaeldinh3561
    @michaeldinh3561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank your video this lens when yu focus it little sound it correct please le me known

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is not silent focus

  • @danyu5208
    @danyu5208 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You had me at 85mm F/1.8, planning to get this for my canon m50

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for sharing… so far totally loving this lens

  • @DavidSenteno
    @DavidSenteno 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Favorite lens for everything is Canon 50mm. Great for everything although landscape takes some getting used to. It’s cheap as well $130 USD but on sale often. So small and light for street as well.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. That one has a permanent place in a camera bag

  • @TheTopseat
    @TheTopseat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im new to photography. Is this lens locked at 85mm or does it zoom to 85mm?

    • @TheTopseat
      @TheTopseat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would love a all in one lens that zooms between 25mm to 85mm for the Sony A6300. Any suggestions?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, this one doesn’t have any zoom. It is a prime lens

  • @oninbaluyot5538
    @oninbaluyot5538 ปีที่แล้ว

    Help me decide. I’m a makeup artist and I’m looking for a lens that I can use mainly for beauty shots. The only lens I have is the meike 25mm and it’s not really ideal for close up shots. Should I get this one?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      You need either 50 mm lens or you could get this one as well

  • @bpnsirdiealot
    @bpnsirdiealot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zdenka I shoot lots of landscape photos, I am using a Canon M50 what lens would you suggest? This is what I have now. Canon EF-M 15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM
    Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II USM
    Canon EF-S 18 55 macro 0.25m 0.8ft
    Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM Lens

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you shoot landscapes then you are set… I don’t see anything missing

    • @bpnsirdiealot
      @bpnsirdiealot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula Thank you. I also shoot wildlife but know I need a better lens there for sure, want either the Canon 100-400 or the Sigma 60-600 Sport.

  • @27lamar
    @27lamar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Zdenka,
    I have a Sony alpha 33 camera with 4-5.6/55-200 SAM and 3.5-5.6/18-55 SAM lens. I am enjoying portraits (blur background) of my family and landscape photography. Should I invest in a new Len? Will this Len or the Sony FE 85 1.8 telephoto Len work for my camera? Thanks

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am sorry, but I cannot answer this. I unfortunately don’t know your camera as I don’t have it, so it will be best to talk to someone who is selling these things. However, yes, if you buy a lens with lower aperture , you will get better blurry background.

  • @iammaxwellcole
    @iammaxwellcole 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice lens!

  • @dba9923
    @dba9923 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi is this lens work on t2i/550d canon

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m sorry I’m not sure. It is best to check compatibility list.

  • @life4youtoenjoy
    @life4youtoenjoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like can't find one for sony on E-bay only see EOS and Canon ones . Price is right . Your top link doesn't lead us to Sony one . Great video and lens for sure . price is right

    • @WaynesTW
      @WaynesTW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The top one led my to Amazon link for the Sony E mount.

    • @life4youtoenjoy
      @life4youtoenjoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WaynesTW Thanks . Hmmmm let me try again .

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I also checked and it goes to correct lens on Amazon….

    • @life4youtoenjoy
      @life4youtoenjoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula Thank you .

  • @jersonhonrado358
    @jersonhonrado358 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a newbie Photographer! Love this Video and planning to buy this Meike 85mm and use it to my Canon 70d. auto Subscribe

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing. I’m quite convinced you are going to like that lens. Best wishes.

  • @LutherLao
    @LutherLao 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nikon 24-70mm f2 8 for it's versatility

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for sharing

  • @gluca2305
    @gluca2305 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravissima!

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @salserodoscientosseis1028
    @salserodoscientosseis1028 ปีที่แล้ว

    i got me one and IT WONT communicate with win or mac computer for upgrade... you will always pay for what you get.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m sorry to hear this. I don’t have that issue on my end, but you should contact the company for their support.

  • @bazlur-Vancouver
    @bazlur-Vancouver 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Made in China- a copy of known companies. Most Chinese products of copied from Japan, Germany other countries' products and sell them cheaper, but they are now good in manufacturing tiny drones for civilians(used for military in Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, etc). for example, some Japanese companies marketed small fishing Gizmoz and gadgets this month, ten plus Chinese companies are selling replicas on Alibaba or on eBay, etc. My supervisor at University was a Chinese student(Ph.D.) and I asked him what was his job in China. He told me that he and the other 4 engineers were busy reverse engineering electronics for a sewing machine from Japan. He also told me that the mechanical parts we did it quickly with programmed laser scanning each part and manufacutured them very quickly.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It really doesn’t matter…. It is affordable and works. If Canada and USA can make this in the same price range then I’ll take it…

    • @MrFaccts
      @MrFaccts 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your point is meaningless . The food you eat in USA , the clothes you wear and most of your building materials are from China as well .

  • @cinelensgeeky3648
    @cinelensgeeky3648 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great budget lens for those new Sony full frame camera owners!

  • @ApexPredatorWithSungGlasses
    @ApexPredatorWithSungGlasses 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zdenka's audio on this particular video kinda needs de-essing. The s sounds a bit harsher than her previous ones.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you it seems like you’re the only one who has sensitive ears. What do you suggest because I don’t know how to fix it….. I tried and I simply don’t hear it

    • @BlueJayBonsai
      @BlueJayBonsai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I only heard it in the voiceover segment 4:20 - 5:10 because this made me look for it. 😂 But it’s not bad enough to complain about for me. Maybe Apex is a professional audio engineer or something? 🦻

  • @annexplores3933
    @annexplores3933 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like all in one. Would that compatible with Canon?

    • @shanewaterman4125
      @shanewaterman4125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Meike already make it with a Canon EF mount

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes as you got the answer there is lens for Canon from Meike

  • @TIME-4689
    @TIME-4689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    WoW

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @coquiangel
    @coquiangel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice lens! I still use a canon 200-300 mm is 3.5 I found it very versatile with just practicing photography.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing

  • @ondmon818
    @ondmon818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, I always go back to my nikon 24-120 f4, it just does everything , a jack of all trades, master of none but i think the picture quality is way better than some 'pro' reviewers. Also the sigma 150-600(non sport) has really amazing picture quality for the price for wildlife/action.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing

  • @msaylorBTC100M
    @msaylorBTC100M 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    bokeh on this is great!

  • @shanewaterman4125
    @shanewaterman4125 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for highlighting another bargain Zdenka 👍

  • @KaioshinAemi
    @KaioshinAemi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! It’s $189 at B and H

  • @sijilo
    @sijilo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ☺️

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @dougdavis5808
    @dougdavis5808 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am loving these type of videos that you are putting out lately 🙂 I love my 50mm mainly because I shot night Shots 😊 my second lens is my new Canon 70-200 F-4 now I do have a question where I shoot on a Canon 90D at 1.6 crop my 50mm turns into a 85 would I be getting basically the same type of shots you get with this 85mm?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for your support. If you get that focal length with the crop then I suppose it should be the same. I would have to see the photos side-by-side to be able to compare it

    • @dougdavis5808
      @dougdavis5808 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula Thank you 💐🙏💐

    • @CosmicSeeker69
      @CosmicSeeker69 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro, 85mm is 85mm no matter how it's achieved... Crack on with your shooting although you're not going to get the options f1.8 gives you

  • @ZoyaKhan-pk4nv
    @ZoyaKhan-pk4nv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤❤❤

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @strallent
    @strallent ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍👍👍👍

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for your support

  • @tr3alme
    @tr3alme 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahooj, maike 50mm f0.95
    Ak započítame aps-c crop tak je 75mm 😊
    Škoda že komplet manuál ale fotky sú top!

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Děkuji za komentář. Mockrát zdravím na Slovensko

  • @ministry_of_love
    @ministry_of_love 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as usual. How about 35mm lens?

  • @yveslegh
    @yveslegh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to have one....

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing

  • @canalfotografoamador605
    @canalfotografoamador605 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    😀👍👍

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @KevinMoore5q
    @KevinMoore5q 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried this on a APS-C camera?

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No sorry…. I only have this one for Sony

  • @bangash55
    @bangash55 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love from Pakistan

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @frequencyeffects3442
    @frequencyeffects3442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis and also still beneficial for those not quite there yet. Becoming familiar with things is key for potential future purchases.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely. I regret I did not have those lines are used to shoot weddings

  • @johnnyutah7299
    @johnnyutah7299 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No lens flare hey? I used to have ‘em, then a year ago I moved to Nikon Z. Now I sometimes miss the flare. As you may know some software lets you add it in. Can’t please people uh? Always enjoy your vids.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you are right… there are many times you want the flare or you don’t want to see it… totally

  • @zuhairhlayel
    @zuhairhlayel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    💐🌹👍👍🌹💐

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for your support

  • @TC_Conner
    @TC_Conner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s a great price for what appears to be a great lens Zdenka. I have high hopes of one day owning an RF 85mm f/1.2 L USM lens! But right now the RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM in my camera bag is my favorite! So, until my Piggy Bank reaches the proper level I’ll be relying on the 70-200mm! (I also have two RF primes: 50mm f/1.8 and 35mm f/1.8)

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’ve got some great lens selection as well

    • @TC_Conner
      @TC_Conner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula Thank you!

  • @nassersi
    @nassersi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bohužial presvit (light leak) je otrasný. V štúdiu s bleskami sa s tým nedá fotiť, vonku v protisvetle...katastrofa. Chromatická aberácia na otvorenej clone v kontrastoch je dosť silná. Dá sa to používať v rozptýlenom svetle. Kresba je celkom ostrá.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Děkuji za sdílení

  • @hagopboghossian6841
    @hagopboghossian6841 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good for travel videos and photos I guess 🤔

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much for sharing

  • @thetimepassstore2658
    @thetimepassstore2658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    :)

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for your support

    • @thetimepassstore2658
      @thetimepassstore2658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZdenkaDarula thank you too for always reply, but I feel sad because you don’t reply in twitter and Instagram

  • @Blues2cool
    @Blues2cool 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    An 85 mm f1.8 is not for beginners. A 24 - 70 f2.8 is the most versatile lens in this class. Always buy good glass never buy cheap glass. Buy a used camera body spend your money on good glass. I have been a professional photographer for 50 years. I shoot Nikon, DJI, GoPro and Akaso my lighting is pro photo. Currently my projects are video with stills mixed in for an artistic touch. Do waste your money on plastic gear.

    • @ZdenkaDarula
      @ZdenkaDarula  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts although I disagree. I’ve been shooting for 26 years

    • @thefrostyvette876
      @thefrostyvette876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Comments like this will deter people from going for their dream. Did you always use expensive glass when you started your photography journey? And if so, you were fortunate, everyone can’t afford expensive glass, so a cheap alternative is a good thing.