Our Experience with a Waldorf School
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2018
- at the end of the day; I believe that whatever works best for someone and whatever they decide is right for them. but I had to share our experience because I felt like it would be a disservice not to.
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I went to a Waldorf school for 13 years. It was the best experience I could have ever had.
Hi,
Can you please tell me which Waldorf School you went to?
What do you do for a living now? Curious to hear the different or similar answers
And I guarantee you do Yoga and pray to one of the gods. But you definitely dont believe in Jesus and read the Bible. But you believe in fairytales and demonology gore.
my first school was steiner and i left in year five....we were never taught how to "cast spells with wands" we were taught to respect nature and yes the celebrations for winter and summer ect were alike to some wiccan celebrations thats as close as it got to witchcraft
(wicca is not witchcraft it is only a religion in where u respect nature )
I go to waldorf and agree it’s some cult shit
Thanks for your feedback Emily - it may be something some people are comfortable with depending on their beliefs. I simply encourage my audience to do their research & be educated!
@@owentaylor7215 I'm so sorry you went to a Waldorf school. Are you ok??
@@gabriellameattray9778 i am now left after sophomore year and am suprised that a free public school is better than that expensive education
hey! I want to give you my opinion about it, as a Waldorf student I can say that this school was probably not really a Waldorf school ... the Waldorf schools have nothing to do with witchcraft ... and I feel very sad that you had this experience because the best thing that happened to me in life was to study in a waldorf school
Hey Anna - first off - THANK YOU for sharing your opinion RESPECTFULLY. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this comment. I’m so happy you had a great experience!
I was going to say the same. Perhaps it was a school with New Age overtones that wants to pass as a Waldorf School. I would report them to the North America Association for using the name. In any case, she is definitely not going back so it does not matter. I have four adult children who went through a Steiner school and none of this witchy stuff ever happened there. Too bad, as it gives Warldorf Schools a bad name.
@annapereyrapeiru
Can you please tell us which school you went to? You are from which country?
That’s not true. Waldorf curriculum is based on teachings from Rudolph Steiner, a know spiritualist and expert in the occult. Many Waldorf schools participate in known Wiccan holidays such as Beltane, etc., which is all based on witchcraft.
This woman accidentally sent her child to Hogwarts and has the audacity to complain about it.
Hahahaha hahahahahaha
hehehehe
You sound like a witch
Lol
We laugh, but there’s a real spiritual war going on.
Shame on you!!! 🤡🤡
I understand what you're saying about feeling like an outsider. I think this happens a lot at any private school. Waldorf Schools are based on the teachings of Rudolph Steiner, a polymath who borrowed many of his ideas from his contemporaries without crediting them. He founded Anthroposophy, a Christian spin-off. Waldorf is not for everyone. But it does show a lot of compassion and respect for children, teaches art as a valid subject, and focuses on helping children develop into their true selves. I'm glad my daughter went to a Waldorf school.
Thanks for posting this; I’m wondering, could you be a little more specific? Like if you remember in which book or idea, or better still, could you please direct me to some of the thinkers he borrows from (without crediting)? I’d appreciate any help!
i'm sorry Sara's boy had a bad time, and hope all is well now. Can only remark that my two children say they had a highly positive experience at their UK Waldorf School, going on to college and then out into the wide world as a pair of balanced, good natured, intelligent, peaceable, curious, musical, feeling people. They certainly were not indoctrinated. Their teachers were cheerful, approachable, very devoted to their vocation - never pushed the anthroposophy to the kids or us, though it did underpin their commitment.
Agreed, some of Steiner's notions might look a bit antiquated, obscure even - but you can say the same of conventional curricula, too. And he did focus on the child as a person, developing their thinking and feeling. He recognised that many children don't have the basic motor skills to write until they are seven, let alone an appropriately developed cognition. When we ignore that we cause grave harm to some boys in particular - stuffing them with Ritalin when they squirm.
No way would I recommend sending any child into the current state-backed (UK) 'tickbox' educational culture. It starts with testing four-year olds. In the junior years, it goes on to more or less ignore arts, truth about colonialism, the industrial revolution. And no time for human typologies, psychology, critical thinking skills... Kids are born with bright minds and we dumb them down in the earliest years.
I’m a Steiner / Waldorf student and this is NOT the average Waldorf education you’re talking about... my school is not anything like that, so please don’t target Waldorf, it’s that particular school in the wrong.
Are you saying all Waldorf schools are haunted and witch craft like?????
Please. Sorry but you sound out of your mind.
Never touched a wand in my life so don’t make assumptions.
She’s very kind and clear about the way she approaches this video. You just sound mean. You can share this opinion and your experience without making comments about her “sounding out of her mind”. At this point since you can’t have an objective standpoint in this conversation you’re the last person I’d listen to🤷🏻♀️
My daughter and I went from Montessori to Waldorf. She had been going to Montessori school since she was 2.5 years old while I was a TA at the school. We left the country when she turned 4 for about eight months to be with family, came back and unfortunately lost our placement at the only Montessori school in our area (the school is small and in high demand). I was stuck on alternative education so I was naturally lead towards Waldorf and wanted to give it a try given the frequent comparisons people make about both pedagogies. So to share my experience.. after a couple of weeks into the academic school year she got some headaches, I started noticing red rashes on her temples and third eye after school. I realized it was because they were rubbing essential oils on her face before nap time, I think she told them she didn't want oil on her face because I stopped noticing the rashes. She would also have, a sort of traumatized look, on her face with a sense of confusion after picking her up from school. I think she once cried to me and said she didn't want to go to school anymore. I was concerned and emailed the teacher to ask her why she could be feeling this way. The teacher couldn't give me an explanation, so I was left to guess for myself. After a couple of months in October she was getting nightmares. She was telling me her friends were whispering gory things in ear at recess. There was a time my daughter started talking about blood, cutting off hands, and knives and told me about the conversations the kids would have. I thought whoa, wth, why are these kids talking about this and how aren't the teachers doing anything about it. I found out later on, coincidently, through watching some of Bella Luna's TH-cam videos that the teachers read from GRIMMS books! I thought NO EFFIN WONDER. I was very shocked to find out they were storytelling off of GRIMMS books! If you don't know about it look it up, in short they're very old dark children's stories. I think in Sarah's video she explains why they read from Grimm's stories but, I was sitting there thinking to myself, why isn't this being shared with us parents. Like what actually is being taught in her class, and why is there no transparency in regards to their curriculum. Though I think there is reasoning behind there being no transparency, especially in regards to curriculum (point made later on). The teachers also seem secretive (I definitely wouldn't feel safe with my child and the teacher alone). They're also weird/sketchy and not as friendly as you would think they would be given Waldorf's philosophy as it being coined "social education". So yes, I also see the exclusivity, and get a sense of "cultness" going on. Are our kids being brainwashed, oh without a doubt! Why? It's probably a belief system. I like to joke around with my husband when I'm on the phone with him before walking into the school, I say ok I have to get off the phone now or the tyrants will get upset. In all seriousness, yes Waldorf education is very strange. Waldorf education is the DEFINITION of holistic education, their duty is to foster the WHOLE child and protect that very very much. To them the nature of what makes a child, a child, is very sacred to them. Waldorf wants the kids to be set free of the worries of this world, in every possible sense. Even the pressures of academic competence. So yes, there is no complete transparency in regards to curriculum because they don't want the parents to "care". I think they see themselves as free spirits of the world. Do I think it's a cult, yes, in a way. My daughter is now 5 years of age finishing up the academic school year with Waldorf. I've debated and debated whether I want her to continue (I don't think were are). I can say though that I'm incredibly thankful to have had the opportunity to experience Waldorf from a third person perspective as a Montessori teacher, because now I can say NO Montessori and Waldorf are NOT similar. In a sense that they actually both contradict each other in regards to some things that define the core of both. Waldorf is founded on the spirit (spirit based), Montessori is founded on a scientific approach to the whole child. Steiner was a philosopher, Montessori was a scientist. Waldorfians are like hippies out of touch with reality. Don't get me wrong, I truly appreciate Waldorf education because it fills in the gaps with what Montessori falls short on and believe one should not exist without the other. Meaning, they both should coexist because when both pedagogies are practiced in a classroom a beautiful classroom environment is created!
I have been searching the whole internet for a comment like yours. People put “alternative education” in a basket as if they were all the same, and your comment made it extremely easy to understand the differences.
Loved your comment!!
Thank you 🙏 😊
Sorry, what? This isn't Steiner/Waldorf education. My mum is a qualified teacher and I went through Steiner/Waldorf education my entire education.
I'm not saying this didn't happen. Just that this isn't Steiner education. Rudolph Steiner's personal ideals are not pushed on students and that is not what teachers, who usually have to go through a specific teacher training. From my experience and knowledge, Steiner is supposed to teach about all religion as well as spiritual freedom.
America is a weird place and these kinds of things are more common in the US. Not just Steiner schools but with religious schools, some public schools, some private schools and also some Montessori schools. A lot more shit is allowed to slide and education is much less regulated in the US than it is here in most of Europe.
I will say, because Steiner attracts a lot of "hippy" people, some of them are very weird. I've been to three Steiner schools and my mum has taught at four. There are some teachers that shouldn't be teachers and some schools which are badly run - both of which occur in other education forms and are much more common in public schools (at least here in the UK). Some schools are just shit and Steiner schools are not prone to being run badly or in the hands of incompetent and sometimes strange people.
I don't recognise that "clique-ness" you describe. There is a community, but the only reason it tends to be closer is because the schools are smaller. There's no weird witchcraft going on. That is not Steiner and if it's happening at a school, that sounds like exploitation.
There is a lot of opposition to Steiner education that really comes from a place of ignorance. I recognise you open-mindedness to this and respect that. Your blog however is a little misinforming. You insinuate that all Steiner schools are the same and I can tell you, they are not. They don't bow down to a central body, most are pretty much independently run. More influence generally comes from the government than it does the "Steiner community". There are some bad schools out there, as with any type of school. Secrecy is not a thing, every Steiner school I've attended have been very open to the public, students go on to be successful and the education they go to after Steiner tend to love Steiner students. And I know for a fact this is the case for most Steiner schools.
There are, however, some badly run schools. I know one in the UK was pretty bad for bullying. They simply didn't have the people capable of dealing with that. However, that is much more common in public education. And you can see the effects of public education in the US with the number of school shootings that happen.
That said, some parents won't like Steiner.
And I'm not going to discredit your experience. There are some bad schools out there. What you're saying (with the wands) sound suite unbelievable. But if whoever runs that school isn't being checked on, then who knows what could happen? I am also aware, that there's a lot of bullshit opposition and propaganda about Steiner schools. And also aware that there are a lot of people who have lied about stuff. Hope that isn't you, but you aren't fully informed. That much is clear from your blog and video. So thought I'd comment here.
Finally, I'm sorry if you had that experience. But if it is true, name the school and report it to whoever is supposed to check on schools in the US. Because it sounds bullshit. I mainly wanted to comment so that if this is people's first time hearing about Steiner, they can understand that the vast majority are perfectly good schools.
Andy she explained very well read all what she wrote, is not all schools, is like in other type of schools you find good ones or found those that hit to kids, or put them in dark rooms to make them be “good kids” and are not Steiner schools, so generalized is bad whatever you choose for you kids you have to make your own research, how many years have been this school running, should i contact graduated people?, is an authorized school, is this the school for my kid? Etc ... how many illegal schools are out there !!!
Amazing how u can deny how bad these schools are .
Gareth Ford-Elliott, May I ask which Steiner school did you attend in the UK, I’m looking into sending my child. Thank you 😊
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Kal Sumal I would highly highly reccomend you do not go to botton village school. It’s wack. That’s all I’m gonna say as I’d have to write multiple paragraphs of my experiences with bullying, restriction to information, etc. I’d recommend that you go to a city Steiner school if you insist on going to one as they are from my experience better and less “fishy”. As always, do your own research as the quality of the schools varies massively from school to school and always listen to your children when they tell you about school over what teachers allege telling you
I went to a Waldorf school and what you describe is not Waldorf education. I firmly believe that I would not be the person I am without the Waldorf school. I am so grateful for my Waldorf education and will be sending my children there. All I can say is what you describe is not a Waldorf school.
I totally agree, thank you for sharing
Then what you attended was not a TRUE Waldorf school founded in Rudolf Steiner’s original intentions. If it were, you would probably have experienced more of these things. I’m happy you had a positive experience; but if you haven’t researched into the true intentions of Waldorf schools, then you have no clue.
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between Waldorf-ish or Waldorf-inspired schools and TRUE Waldorf schools based on his original, intended curriculum.
@@SaraMichaels apparently you know everything about Steiner and his approach, at least thats how you act. It might be diffrent in america but where I come from (Germany), the Waldorf education is by far the best. I absolutely agree with Julia M. And wihtout a doubt not every German citizen would agree with me. Nontheless a waldorfschool provides everything that a normal school provides, and the standards are obv much higher over here, but with the massive diffrence that the education goes beyond the simple things we learn and even If you dont realize it the Things you do in said schools, even If they seem off help you in many ways.
And since you Always state that those good experiences are from a waldorf-ish school and we didnt Experience the true idea. Im pretty certain its the other way around and you might not be able to understand the depth of steiners ideas (which is obv no problem). Hence it isnt very wise to give a statement that might end Up being pretty short sighted (no doubt mine could be as well).
@@SaraMichaels Hey Sara there is a swedish documentary about a Waldorf school in sweden called Solviks school, its a 3 part doc (1x3 hours). Where ppl describe how the went there for 12 years and got and educated without even being able to read and such. its very very controversial. The principal is livid cause he feel like the painted his school as a cult. Also the principal (i think) have gotten diagnosed with a psychopath label. what you describe is soo the same vibe as i got from that documentary. Thanks for sharing
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 you clearly need to looking to the whole philosophy of Waldorf. Not just go off of a website. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I understand this now - which is exactly what I did AFTER this experience. I addition to doing HOURS of research, pouring through old manuscripts and meeting notes, reading Steiner’s philosophies, I also received manuals from previous teachers. So - I’m quite convinced that there are other things going on in TRUE Waldorf-based schools (not Waldorf-INSPIRED schools - BIG difference) and it’s why I shared this video.
After speaking with someone very close to me about there experience there and watching your video I can not get the chills out my spine please spread the awareness I applaud your bravery girl don’t never go against the feelings when you that secure in your spirituality stay strong 🙏🏾💪🏾💯
I go to walldorf and everything your saying we have never done
- I'm happy to hear you haven't had this type of experience.
Josefine Mills me too. I’m at a London one and this is some weird shit
I know this is an old comment of yours, but i would love to hear even a few bullets of your experience:) (I’m a third year education major)
Sameee
Waldorf helped my intelligence so much and My favorite teacher Mrs. pots is to this day the best teacher in my life. This lady just doesn’t have the same values and ideas. Everyone ive ever known from Waldorf is successful and I’m starting my own Daycare so. Yeah. They loved me more than my own parent. There is no clique. You just not the type of person who should sent your kid there if you dont respect or try to understand our school values. She is ridiculous. Homeschool if you cannot integrate into a new culture dont blame the other people.
I used to go to a Waldorf school and it was the best experience of my life
@@ReaperGamZeShorts And a Witch. Lol she's been brainwashed.
@@ReaperGamZeShorts the Waldorf cult if you leave you’ll never be heard from again
I’m not saying what happens to you is not valid but I don’t know what school you went to but it is not a true waldorf school. I attend one right now actually and none of these things happen.Yes we do some spiritual things like say a small blessing before we eat to show gratitude and we say a morning verse which is just about trying our hardest at school and always striving to be a better person. Yes some people can be a little “hippy” but I’d say more people aren’t like that. We actually have classes where the teacher brings in a laptop. Basically the point of the class is not about “technology is evil” but more of technology in moderation is good and also learning to effectively be safe on the internet and use it efficiently for learning. But I mean we talk to our teachers about movies and shows and memes! The philosophy is like learning for the heart,brain and hands meaning ex. In public school you may learn about how plants grow and read from a textbook but here we’d grow the plants ourselves. You know putting yourself through the experience. They teach to always be kind to others and never compare yourself to others.The teachers especially our main teacher is incredibly close to us. We are like a family. It’s quite obvious the love the teacher has for their students and we love our teachers back. Our teacher says it was one of the hardest things to do to come to teach our class. She said she thought that she’d “fail us” but she says now she’d never take back that decision and never regretted it.Honestly my teacher has helped me through some of the toughest times of my life. I used to go to a public school but coming to this school in grade 4 saved my life honestly cuz I was bullied severely at my past school. All I want to say is that just do research but true waldorf schools are not like that. And the real ones out there I would strongly recommend. Thanks for reading 😂
thanks so much for sharing, Emma! and I'm happy you found a school you like. Perhaps your school was different; or the one we were attending was a little different. I just wanted to encourage everyone to research and look truly at Steiner's principles (either via his books, the handbook & curriculum that Waldorf was founded after, or audiobooks on TH-cam).
Or even pick up copies of the founding principles. Page 54 (thanks to a fellow community member who shared the literature link!) here is what the page says is the goal for Waldorf teachers "Most of that which contributes to our work as teachers preparation work, artistic work, even meditative work, is under the guardianship of Lucifer.We can become great teachers under his supervision, for he is responsible for much that has blossomed in the unfolding of civilization and culture in the past".
and maybe some people are ok with that - again. to each their own. But there is definitely an underlying mission + foundation that even I think the best of experiences or teachers are possibly unaware of.
Best of luck - thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts; I appreciate it! Wishing you happy holidays and thank you for being here!
Hey! What country are you from? I just wonder if you go to a Waldorf high school or if it is only up to the 8th grade like most Waldorf Schools in America. I'm from Russia and here you go to the same school for all 11 or 12 years, whether it's Waldorf or not. That's why I wonder how waldorf schools with only 8 grades work
Sara Michaels Do you have a link for the founding principles? I would love to research the info you are sharing. Thanks.
Bullshit
Your video popped up on my TH-cam - probably because I’m a Waldorf parent. Also I noticed you were quoting text about Lucifer (in the comments below) so I wanted to address them first because that might be supporting your misunderstanding that Waldorf teaches Witchcraft. I’m just concerned that you are giving people the wrong idea about Waldorf.
Steiner believed “good” is found between the dark and light (so to speak). Actually he talks about Lucifer and his counterpart Ahriman. Lucifer is the light spirit. “He” plays on human pride and also motivates the creative and spiritual part of humanity. Ahriman is the “dark” spirit that tempts humans to live more on the material plane. But it also allows for technology and intellectual development. Neither of these is “bad” or “good.” It’s more about the balance within these “forces” so to speak. His belief is there is some spiritual being that helps to balance these so they aren’t extreme and he happens to call it “Christ” but he actually diverges a lot from Christianity. IT’s actually more Buddhist in nature. (I don’t think about things this way but I hope you can see that it’s not the devil or witchcraft)
But this is his philosophy called Anthroposophy. I think it’s important to be careful not to take words about Lucifer in his writings out of this context. It’s a very a deep philosophy and would require a lot of study to fully understand its intention. But it certainly isn’t trying to teach witchcraft.
Is the school you brought your child to an accrediated Waldorf school? Anything “inspired” is not Waldorf . It’s like stealing a name because you serve organic food, play outside, or have wooden toys. Those are some things you might see on the surface of a Waldorf school but that inspiration could be called anything and not make it Waldorf. IF your school was not accredited I think that’s very important to share with people as well. Waldorf is very pure in that it’s not mixed with any other pedogogies. They are trying to address issues like lack of inclusivity and diversity in the curriculum, stories, etc. which tend to be more Norse and Greek mythology. There is a movement within Waldorf to increase equity in this way. This is actually the piece about Waldorf that I would be most concerned about. I would encourage parents to ask if there is an Inclusivity, Diversity, Equity committee at the school they are looking at.
All in all, my daughter attends Berkeley Rose Waldorf School and there is no witchcraft happening. There is a strong reverence for Mother Earth and for each other. There is a lot of singing but it’s not casting spells. They learn perspective drawing, learn to play the violin, and to speak Mandarin and Spanish. There are rituals for the changing of the seasons but they are in reverence for nature. They don’t worship anything.
I think it’s a superficial understanding to think Waldorf is witchcrafty.
It is very spiritual and deep - about having reverence and holding onto what’s good in the world. I just hate to see you lead people astray about Waldorf education. It’s not for everyone but it’s not witchcraft. But if your school was “Waldorf inspired” it’s not actually Waldorf. So what you are saying could be misleading. Teachers who teach in a Waldorf school go through a lot of training. Everything they do is very intentional. I’m sorry you had that experience.
It sounds very stressful for your child. It would be great for you to share if your school was an accredited Waldorf school or just claiming to be “Waldorf Inspired.” If it’s really Waldorf, I’d be so concerned and I’m sure the teachers of any other Waldorf school would be too.
I was in a Waldorf school. Huge stress on my moms life - she a very particular person and doesn’t let people pressure her into anything she isn’t interested in, and they made her an outsider. One of the teachers, ms loveday, has taught all over North America up until grade 3 and then she moves schools. She caused a bunch of issues, then left after 3rd grade. That’s her MO, evil lady. Waldorf was okay for me, but I’d never send my kids and it’s a completely curly vibe. Also as a side note, there were absolutely no teachers of colour and maybe 5 students total that weren’t white.
I am a parent of 2 children. They went through 8 years of Waldorf School and experienced nothing of the sort that this person is talking about. Quite the opposite in fact. My children loved their experience and say that they will send their children to Waldorf schools. I will say much of any child's and families experience depends on the teachers they get. We happened to get 2 very good ones.
They both entered public school in 9th grade and did very well academically and socially.
I agree its not for everyone. They have a lot of ceremony honoring seasons, festivals, developmental stages etc and some of it may seem strange to those not used to ritual and ceremony. If you don't like ceremony, seasonal celebrations and the like and just want to get right to academics and sports then Waldorf schools are not for you. But that is no reason to speak ill of them. I would venture to say far more people love the experience than not.
The honoring seasons part is so great. Nowadays society is lacking that. Christianity is such a new religion. I really didn't like the normal school much. I'm highly sensitive and I could imagine at least from class five Waldorf would have been better for me.
I am a Waldorf parent, but here in Germany. None of the things you describe happen at my daughter‘s school, and this is the home country of Rudolf Steiner‘s school and pedagogy. The curriculum changes through the years. First and second grades are about fairytales and saints, second grade the Old Testament, fourth grade covers Norse mythology, fifth grade on Ancient Greece, and eventually the kids learn about other religions and cultures. I believe it is because Steiner himself believed in spirituality over specific religions, although he did not denigrate the latter. For sure, I would find out if this school your son went to is affiliated with AWSNA. If not, please inform AWSNA, because they are keenly interested in ensuring no school passes itself off as a Waldorf school if it in fact, is not.
To be sure, Steiner‘s pedagogy is not for parents of kids who believe in the traditional model, and at our school, great effort is made to educate the parents about Steiner’s philosophy and pedagogy. Also the parents‘ nights are unconventional but intellectually stimulating; there is a bit of school daily business discussed but there are guest lecturers on ecological topics, child development topics, and even subject matter review for the parents (e.g. Einstein’s theory of relativity for example).
I understand how it might seem cliquish in that many of the parents do not want their kids going to the Waldorf school if the parents of other kids allow their own to have a lot of plastic toys, iPads, other electronic items, etc., because after all, part of the Waldorf environment is a focus on nature and emphasizes that artificial toys and electronics are not good for the child’s psyche, and surprise surprise, if you are paying private school tuition you do not want any influences in the school, be it from peers or parents of the peers, that reduce the impact of the ambience you pay for.
Example- my kid got a present- a knitting kit- that had plastic knitting needles and my child made the mistake of bringing it to school. I got shade from other parents and my kid got shade from a few kids in the class. There we go. The message is, get on the bandwagon or leave, see.
That said, I very much like the bandwagon because I think the norms and culture of the Waldorf schools are the way that we as humans should evolve in order to sustain our societies and sustain our environment.
thank you for sharing! I appreciate the feedback. there were certain aspects (such as sustainability) that I definitely would like to see in our society and environment; just perhaps with a more forthright and less underlying spiritual agenda. although i am happy to hear this doesn't sound like it is occurring in your particular school
In the US, in Illinois in particular, things are out of control and the kids are at risk, at the minimum left to roam unsupervised for most of the day, and the after school program is non-existent: the kids are literally running amok without anyone from the school anywhere to be seen. Very scary, and a lot of bullying goes on that clearly is not seen by anyone in charge.
Lawrn West Have these “schools” been reported? What you are describing does not sound like any Waldorf school I have experienced. Unsupervised and endangered students is a serious thing.
@@ilsa_xo My children attended Waldorf schools, when the children played independently outside, in nature not a schoolyard playground- woods, bogs, etc, the teacher was around and didn't interfere unless needed.
Edit: What Lawrence West was describing is not the "unsupervised" nature playtime we all love about Waldorf education.
Americans grow up with an unnatural focus on evil.
I had bad experience with Waldorf in Detroit. However We are now in Maine and Waldorf here is much better. The community you are in matters.. it isn’t the school or philosophy, but the group of people who make up the school.
Sam B Hey Sam. We are considering Waldorf in Detroit. Can you contact me so we can talk more about your experience.
My family was considering the Detroit Waldorf School as well. Can you describe what happened? I think parents should know.
“It isnt the school or philosophy but the people that make it up”
-I go to a Steiner School it’s the parents choice how much techno stuff happens at home.
-I have attended a Steiner school for 8 years and never had to “cast spells” or been told to recite poems that sounded like spells.
-that sounds like some weird sh*t. If I, a Steiner kid was told to go there after learning that I would say hell no. It’s with noting that my Waldorf or Steiner school is in England. All the teachers and kids at my school are just like my body else.
THANK YOU for sharing YOUR experience! It’s so interesting to see the different experiences people have depending on the school and area. I appreciate your respectful response! 🙏
@@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322 theres quite a few. google it. waldorf/steiner schools uk.
Hi there,
Thank you for your video and for your voice. I am in England and soon to move to the continent and I am looking into Waldorf Schools for our child. Your opinions are very valuable and I can relate it to what one Waldorf Teacher told me once : you have "hardcore" Waldorf teachers and you have "modern" Waldorf Teachers. For better or worse I came across these "hardcore" Waldorf Teachers who are secular and follow the Rudolf Steiner teachings to a T and the pedagogy even further; they seem to turn the blind eye that they are effectively on the 21st century and society has evolved somehow and although the pedagogy - and I say this as an early years educator - is more than relevant (I mean pedagogy as the way to teach and to deliver learning to children) and the way the learning and knowledge is given is great, this "secularist" way to pursue and deliver clashes with reality and leaves many parents - including myself! baffled for the lack of room for understanding , comprehension and empathy. In short, for the secularists is "this is what it is, our way is the right way and if you dont get it you are not in it".
On the other hand you have more "Modern" teachers which thoroughly understand that they are in the 21st century and they comply with the national curriculum for education - for example in Spain - and the children are educated in the same subjects as any other child in any other school but in a different way, using the Waldorf pedagogy and this modern Waldorf teachers do respect the fact that parents may work, that sometimes parents cannot afford the super bio organic product and not all parents are up to go on walks with lanterns. Then again these Modern teachers do take their time to explain how Waldorf work and what is required from the parents so it is crystal clear what is involved in this journey and then it is up to the parent to make an educated decision. These are the ones who welcome you, sit you down and tell you all about the education and end the conversation with "this is what we do, this is what we believe , now is up to you to take it or leave it".
@@ilsa_xoI’m considering a Waldorf school for our children. Would you be willing to chat with me? You sound really knowledgeable.
I am a Waldorf graduate and first off let me say that......this video is extremely upsetting. I didn’t eat organic food, I did watch tv these things have NOTHING to do with the Waldorf education. Also we definitely used a microwave in our Waldorf school kitchen.... everything you say in this video is insulting. Especially about black witches. Your ignorance of our school and it’s core values is disappointing.
Please do not watch this video.
You do not have to eat organic or have chickens to attend our school or “fit in” .
This school encouraged my artistic abilities and each teacher was like family to us. Everything we were interested in they nurtured.
Hi Sara, i want to thank you. I often read articles on Waldorf Watch (where I found the link to your video) and on a French website (the two authors know each other well, as they are both trying to tell the truth about these schools ). We signed our 3 year old up at a French public SW school near us as we lived in Canada (I’m from France) . I did not have a witchcraft experience or heard of the kids using wands (but who knows?! It might come up! ) but EVERYTHING ELSE you have the courage to say is entirely bang on. The delight I felt about him going there for the same reasons as yours, check! The creepy feeling on day one?! Yup! Absolutely! Not only did our blood ice over but our son , who’s been so excited about school completely changed. He felt thé spookiness too. Witches? Not in our case, I believe . But the “words”/prayers , the non existent curriculum , the very little amount of art produced (one water colour diluted over 2 weeks) , the zero facts about nature, plants, animals (odd for a nature based education...) , the cliquey atmosphere (Are you one of us? Why are you asking questions?) , ALL of what you’ve described was there. My kid became miserable, afraid, and wasn’t helped at all by the school after we’d discovered he was being bullied by a violent 6 year old kid with ADHD issues which weren’t addressed . This whole experience lasted just 3 months but it was entirely creepy and awful. I could go on and on. And I have a lot of evidence which I discreetly collected. I like how you haven’t told people what to do and just strongly advised, as I do now , to REALLY inform themselves before sending your kids there. Yes, the “innocent “ songs and poems are prayers to anthroposophy disguised as kiddie songs, and they will repeat them ad nauseam for years. There is great misleading going on, no honesty. But if you look it up seriously and adhere, by all means, go nuts and enjoy this “education”. It’s your choice.
However , if you have the tiniest doubt or curiosity (which admittedly I didn’t, because it all looked so rosy) be sure to check the “spiral of light ceremony “ and their /Steiner’s beliefs on karma (if your kid gets beaten up, it’s his karma, it might improve in his next reincarnation)...
Thank you Sara. You have guts and you are kind.
Look into oak meadow. They adapted Waldorf principles but they removed religion and grimm nurseries and stuff like that!
I can't speak about this particular school, but I've studied in a Waldorf school for almost my whole school period (from kindergarten to high school), and am currently working as a teacher assistant in a Waldorf kindergarten. The pedagogy is most definitely not unbiased, but it's not related to witchcraft. Waldorf pedagogy intends to nurture the child so they can develop freely as a whole -, that means mind, body and spirit. It's very much based of Anthroposothy, which is a philosophical doctrine also founded by Rudolf Steiner. It is defined as a "spiritual science". It's Christian based and very beautiful. I'm far from an expert but, speaking from my experience, everything we do is a form of ritual because life itself is viewed as very sacred. And when I say "rituals" is more about bringing a sense of harmony and sacrality into everything we do. Be it through prayer, song, fairytales. As I said, it's very much Christian based, but it embraces the idea that the truth comes in many forms, so no matter your truth, your faith, it is absolutely valid and doesn't undermine mine. At least, this is what I have learned as a Waldorf kid. Hope I was able to bring you a bit more clarity. I really think you should look more into anthroposophy, I am doing so myself and finding it to be a truly beautiful study on our world and ourselves as spiritual beings. I only say that because you defined yourself as faith-based spiritual person, and that's pretty much anthroposophy! I'm now discovering the Montessori method and am finding so many interesting things, and a lot coincide with Waldorf thinking. I am now starting to ramble hahah but just wanted to contribute to the conversation with a bit of my experience :)
Nayara Rezende Thank you for sharing your experience. 😄
As far as I can tell Anthroposophy is not a Christian based idea. Just a cursory read through google, it talks about reincarnation which is not a Christian belief. Far from it. Thank you for this video, I was very much considering this type of program and now I’ve done more research because of your video and I will be choosing a different method. Appreciate your honesty and bravery as you are getting all this flack for it
I Would do more research about waldorf! I dont know What kind of Waldorf did you find, but here in Australia we have amazing Waldorf school! Wouldn’t put my kids anywhere else!
I would advise YOU do more research into TRUE Waldorf. Perhaps there in Australia you have a Waldorf school that is, in fact, NOT based truly on Rudolf Steiners' philosophy or ideals (which is more likely the case). Since the making of this video, interacting with numerous teachers and staff who have come forward to AGREE with me and everything I've learned since the posting; I am even more convinced that any GOOD interactions with a Waldorf school are only those who are not TRUE Waldorf schools.
Or either people who are seriously mis-informed or unaware of what is truly going on underneath.
I am certainly happy to hear that none of the above has been your experience, though.
We are in Australia too and love Steiner too! ❤️❤️
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@@SaraMichaels I go to a waldof school in south Australia and I would recommend you to do some research on some in SA before you put something like this out to the internet. thanks!
@@SaraMichaels "at the end of the day; I believe that whatever works best for someone and whatever they decide is right for them." Isn't this what you stated in the title of the video? What you put here in this sub-thread contradicts that. Waldorf schools are weird, there is no doubt about that. The "poems" are actually called verses and are pretty much Anthroposophical prayers... I don't really care one way or the other as long as it leaves gods out of it. For example, a verse that shows thanks to the Earth for food doesn't bother me. Definitely don't recommend Waldorf for school-aged children, but it serves well as a form of early childhood education, because they allow so much time outside in nature, celebrating the seasons, crafting, ample time for play, fairy tales, and practical life skills.
I had a very similar experience with my oldest however it was in a public school. She was first bullied endlessly. I had to make her go to school despite her crying and pleading. A small very open minded public school. The did a lot of "Harry Potter" types of things because it was popular and one was to make wands and caste spells. Then we went Waldorf and that all ended.
Elizabeth Stevens interesting, i had the exact same experience you’re describing but definitely at a Steiner school. No, Steiner doesn’t have schools, I mean at a Steiner cult center, because that’s exactly what those establishments are, a way to initiate and brainwash children, with some very disturbing theories.
@@eugeniamanolakos4356 you are talking outta your ass pal. Waldorf encourages imagination, name one aspect that depicts it as "brainwashing".
It’s brainwashing because in many ways Waldorf children grow up with such “fond” memories of their laid back childhood that they must run back to anthroposophy for generations to come, therefore securing cult members to accept that Jesus Christ is not the messiah and that Lucifer and Ahriman are essentially “good” helpers of humanity. That’s why! Certainly is beautiful and I’ve met such wonderful people there.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I definitely found it helpful, and can relate to many aspects about your values and background. was about to go this route with my son but not now! thanks 🙏
😭 💜 I'm glad it was helpful. It's what I wish I would've seen prior to sending my kiddo!
I just wanted to leave a comment for anyone whose first exposure to Waldorf if this video. All of that may be true about that school but not all Waldorf schools are like this. The one I went to was extremely open minded and valued nature and imagination and play. We learned about many different religions and I never once heard anything about “spells” or “witchcraft”
Same that’s how my school is I don’t like verses and that stuff but other than that is a great environment!
My niece goes to a Waldorf school in IL and we love it! She has been going there since she was 3. Such a wonderful way to learn and grow up.
Hi everybody, I just wanted to share my Waldorf experience too... My husband is a product of the Steiner system and is one of the most well-educated, well-rounded, compassionate human beings I know. My mother in law is a retired eurythmy teacher, my father in law is a retired minister in the Christian Community (which is the Anthroposophical Church) and my 2 kids go to our local Waldorf school in Norway, so it's safe to say we are a Waldorf Family! I am so sorry this lady had an awful experience (and it really does sound creepy!), but I don't think that what she experienced was a Waldorf school at all. It's such a shame that unscrupulous people are out there are using the recognised (and generally pretty well respected) name of Steiner to peddle their spells. The kids in our school make beautiful art, yes with watercolours, but also with clay, woodwork or hard lines when they're learning geometry. Zero wand waving, I promise! I really hope this lady finds a school for her little boy where he can thrive. It's heartbreaking to watch your child suffer.x
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Can you please help me which Waldorf school in Norway your son kids goes to?
You're video is very interesting. I looked for some of those first blogs you said you did to compare to what you've said here and couldn't find them. Any chance you could share those too? Also that poem or spell you said your son did, can you recall any of it?
I am so thankful that i found your clip! I am faith based spiritual also and this is what i needed to know! It looks so appealing, as we are also into the more natural holistic lifestyle. I have been trying to decide whether or not to enroll the children in the waldorf school up the road from us - This is confirmation to not! ThankYOU!
Morning Circle is to help the children speak using poems and songs and to help the rhythm of their breathing. Morning and Finishing verse marks the start and end to a school day, like the bell, but better. There's reasons for things and most schools would welcome your interest with questions why. Did you ask?
Wow - do they teach your victim-blaming dismissiveness at Waldorf, too?
Help with breathing and pronunciation, huh? No sale. You know just as well as anyone that guided breathing is to reach a state of calm, and leaves subjects in a heightened state of suggestibility. But doing that to kids, and tossing in some weirdo incantations on top of it - you’re right, no biggie.
Ugh. If you’re going to be rude about it and defend the cult of Waldorf, at least come up with something believable.
@@belleatrix6274 Yeah, good thing religious schools don't do THE EXACT SAME thing with prayers. And stories. And ghosts. And gods.
You lost me as soon as you claimed to be faith-filled and complained about the school's supposed occult practices, but stated you'd been participating in a paranormal investigation. Hypocrisy.
YEP! I participated and never would again! Huge mistake. I’m not perfect - I’m human.
If you ever read any book by Rudolph Steiner he openly talks about the occult practices of his religion. He was a prominent occult leader in the theosophy cult by Blovatskiy. Steiner's racial theories and writings are intertwined into the Waldorf curriculum. Rudolph Steiner was pretty much a Nazi and he belonged to a national socialist group. His rave theories put the Aryan race at the top and claims that as people ho through their karma they get reborn into higher level races of which Aryan germans are at the top. He also saw slavic and Jewish people as untermensch. Oh and he was also worked for the Nitsche foundation.
Vadik, for your information all waldorf school were closed during SWW...Steiner wasn't racist at all!
@@user-rc5nn5hr7v he wasn't a nazi at all...
@@mrpoop123 he belonged to social nationalist youth organization and his theories included the Aryans as the pinnacle of human development which he thought Germans embodied. There were 5 stages of human development which people move through by reincarnation and karma. The top stage is the Aryan stage which he believed Germans were at. He also believed that all scientific progress was made by German people. He also believed that Slavic people are a threat to German purity as a race. So no he wasnt part of the Nazi party since he died before they became prominent but his occultist theories greatly contributed to the Nazi ideology. Rudolph Steiner was the head if the Nietzsche library which was Hitler''s favorite philosopher who proposed the theory of untermensche and how the strong should exploit the weak. He also ran in the same circles as Alister Crowley and at one time belonged to the same organization. The man embodied Nazi occultic believes and practices as well as witchcraft and cult mentality. Also he was completely anti-science with some of his views and practices on medicine.
Hi Sara thank you for sharing your experiences
Thank you so much for this video. I homeschool my kids and was just asked by someone from another town that i've never met or heard of to come and check out their school. As a Christian family I am so thankful I watched this video before responding back to the invite! I truly believe those gut feelings you were having was the Holy Spirit.!
Others have said though that every school is different. Maybe just check it out and see how you feel. I've been looking at these schools and I get different feelings from different schools.
If said person knows you choose to homeschool your children, why did this person ask you to check out their school? 😂That doesn’t seem like a marketing ploy with many returns.
I also homeschool.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks for being open enough to watch & just hear me out 🙏
Thank you for sharing this. As a Waldorf student, I have really loved every ounce of the education that this form of teaching provides, and I couldn’t imagine another education for myself. I do see what you mean though, in terms of the “spiritual” aspect. In my experience, this is more prominent in the earlier years. I also wanted to share that every Waldorf school is different in how they implement the universal Waldorf curriculum, and I am sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. But, I implore you to give the education another chance, maybe at a different school, because it is truly a very well- rounded and holistic environment. For me at least, it’s the best education I could have asked for and I couldn’t be more happier with what I’ve received so far, and I couldn’t feel more ready to take on the greater world after high school.
This sounds like a “Waldorf inspired” gone wrong school. Not discounting your experience and it would scare the crap out of me too, but there’s no way this was a real Waldorf school. With that being said, even at a true Waldorf school I get the feeling that it would not have been a good fit, just from the colors/patterns you’re wearing, the nails/hair/and make up none of how you’re presenting yourself is in line with Waldorf principles. In that way they can be cultish with technology bans and natural high quality fabrics/ neutral or muted colors.
I wanted Waldorf because we value holistic lifestyle + education and I thought this would match.
Regardless on if this was more or less Waldorf than others; my main point here is . . .
the research I did into Rudolf and Steiner uncovered what is REALLY GOING ON beneath the surface of Waldorf.
Steiner believed in Luciferism and that Lucifer was actually an angel of light
. . . a simple google search will uncover some of his books and principles.
I guarantee; if you were to spend 30 minutes listening to any of his TH-cam videos or reading some of his theories and WHAT he believes his life mission was and HOW he planned to bring this out into the world under the guise of education; it would not only shock you - but you would never recommend Waldorf.
I believe that IF there are "good" Waldorf schools out there:
1.) They're only "Waldorf-Inspired" and NOT ACTUALLY OPERATING under the true agenda or principles
2.) They're executing the agenda so well the public has NO IDEA WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.
^ ^ those are the only 2 explanations.
Do you know how to tell if someone’s about to discount your experience? They’ll start off by saying “not discounting your experience.. but...”
Sara, I’m so sorry that this lady is being unnecessarily judgmental towards your appearance. No one should be talked down to like that. You do you, ignore those who try and discount your experience based on your appearance.
Thank you so much for sharing honestly!!
When I saw you without even starting watching, I thought "You so not look like the Waldorf type". However, It was well worth listening to you. Your intuition is spot on. Waldorf appeals to many - there are many things that they introduce that is worth observing, but there are also alarm bells ringing and they are definitely not open to discuss it. Maybe it is time to get an alternative to Waldorf, where the things that make sense are implemented, but where some of the weird ideas are omitted. Thanks very much for sharing. I got more than I expected.
wow - thank you so much for your honesty and kind feedback! I genuinely appreciated it and am happy you found value in it! AGREED -- a TRUE Waldorf Alternative (without any underlying biases) would be a wonderful educational addition!!!
Thanks so much for sharing this!!!
In Belgium we leaned spells aswell, but more as a mental "tool", it was the best 5 years I had, but i eventually left as the school blamed me for a trauma I had with a teacher (the teacher was clearly wrong)
You have to be careful, if you believe your child is not very happy there just try changing, you could always come back if need be.
Thank you for sharing your experience.. I am a first time mom and my aon will be going to a Montessori school system soon. So this is awakening to any parent to be more involved and aware of what our kids do, from TV programs they watch, games they played and schools they go to. It is an ugly world out there and people have different beliefs.
I sent my kids to a Montessori school until grade 7…this was the last grade at that particular school. My kids were very ill prepared for the academic demand of the public school system. The public school kids were so far ahead of my kids in math and science…light years ahead.
So please ensure your kids are receiving the FULL academic curriculum including math and science.
I still believe in the Montessori Method but have lost faith in the teachers.
Necessary video. Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
You can disagree with someone without being a jerk.
She’s relaying a personal experience that she found disturbing, and it’s clear from the video that she’s still distressed by it - dismissing her by saying “that doesn’t happen,” “you need to do more research,” and “you probably just found a bad school” is petty and mean.
The complete absence of any sort of empathy from the Waldorf supporters on this thread is pretty telling - not a place I’d want my kid going to school, in any case.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm currently researching into Waldorf, Montessori etc. and the rest of the school options for my own child. Every option so far seems to be a hit or miss experience. Some parents, current students and ex-students love their experience and others hate their experience with Montessori, Waldorf, faith-based schools, state schools, and independents schools. It seems from all the comments, that the most important thing is that parents and teachers have similar beliefs, perspectives and expectations, and these can differ based on country, urban vs rural and even schools in the same area. Now if only I could find a technology-focused school to teach coding to my 4 year old, combined with a 'Forest' school that makes them enjoy the outdoors, while being a non-religious school to avoid indoctrination, while teaching about different religions to make sure they're agnostically open-minded, that would be ideal for me...although hard to find.
I appreciate your video. I’m a homeschooling momma and came across basic Waldorf thinking in another vloger post. It got me thinking about some of the plastic toys vs fixable toys made with natural material, how to navigate screen time. We have noticed the addictive behavior with them using screens and I was just in the beginning research stages because I heard “Waldorf/Charlotte Mason”...just like that, like they were interchangeable. Now that I’ve watched a video on what Waldorf students might say, plus yours I know this isn’t something I’m pursuing. Of course there are some parts of it that I’d like but we are very careful about spiritual things because they are real. Very real. We are believers and I’ve felt some inexplicable stuff but I’ve learned over the years to trust His leading. It’s too bad you’re getting flack, just know that you are also being helpful which was the purpose of this video. You would’ve been doing a disservice if felt you needed to and didn’t. Now you can wash your hands of the responsibility. 👍🏼
Can I ask which Waldorf school you’re referring to or at least the State? I’m considering this for my daughter, but I’m just curious.
Thanks for your perspective. Choosing a school is surprisingly challenging and personal. I'm doing research on local Waldorf, Montessori, public, etc options now, and they vary so much! We're secular and want something that's religion-free, and factual about history, climate change, etc. Their Wiccan teachings are not desirable even to someone without a faith base. I will do more research about it thanks to your input, and I did find that there's a lot of litigation going on due to many of their schools covertly crossing church and state lines. This is sometimes the case with charter schools in general - they're crafty.
Thanks so much for stopping by, Nerissa! and LOVE that you're putting time into researching . . . YOU ARE WISE!!!!
Montessori is something we're loving & considering . . . now we're fulltime traveling but going to be looking for the right location + school system to put a home base down on! Anyways -- long story short if you're considering Montessori there are many Montessori public options out there! (as private options can range anywhere from $1000 to $5000 a month) -- here's a resource I found to be helpful!
perhaps there would be one in your area or state: www.public-montessori.org/
wishing you the best of luck as you find the right school for you and also a happy holiday season! - Sara
@@SaraMichaels thank you for the additional resource! Good luck with your travel and next move!
LOL No Waldorf school has Wiccan teachings, or it is absolutely NOT a Waldorf school
LOL--I can tell you as someone who went to a Waldorf school, there are no Wiccan teachings. Maybe your "research" should be more fact-based and less reading mommy blogs.
I went to a Steiner school even though I wasn’t really Steiner I don’t think it’s a great school but we never did anything like spells and witchcraft
Many “Waldorf” schools are only Waldorf-inspired. That’s where the big difference lies. . . in schools that are basing their curriculum off of his theories and those that are actually following all of his beliefs and practices to the letter.
Thank you for sharing! Where was this school located? (Not specifically, i just mean in what state and I’m assuming it’s in the US)
Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ve been looking into wardolf and Montessori schools and I’m leaning more towards Montessori.
Thank you for this video! I've been researching Waldorf schools lately. One of my daughters friends from high school is soooo into everything Waldorf, and recently became an early childhood teacher there. Even though I had heard of Waldorf Schools, I didn't know much about them until I started following her on Instagram, and becoming more curious about the schools. Very, very disturbing. I absolutely believe every word you have said, and understand the "feelings" that you get. Same here.
Thank you for sharing Mimi! 💞 I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thanks for stopping by - Sara
Disturbing? What specifically?
I am so incredibly thankful for your video, the information in it, your honestly, your courage to share, and everything about this. Thank you so much. I thought I wanted to be a Waldorf teacher, and my kids get in one of the schools. I had rituals done on me as a child and lived with someone doing witchcraft. No way in the world am I letting my kids be subjected to that. See I was looking for an alternative to public schools since we are faith based as well, we are Christians who follow Jesus, I don't care about denominational differences or whatever... I just know I was subjected to that stuff once in my life and never again want to be part of it. And want my kids to be raised to have good character. So I will continue looking at options. Again thank you so much for your honesty!
I'm so glad you have great discernment, and you are giving information and letting people decide what to do with it. There are definitely certain things I "opt out" of due to spiritual reasons. Like, you all can do that stuff, but imma sit this one out. 😂 Example: yoga can get real spiritual real fast and if you're copying the instructor like you "should" be you could be consenting to it, and some people just don't know... for real. That's a no from me. 😂 but anyway!!
YES! Yes to both of these comments 😭 🙏 THANK YOU so much for sharing this reply. Honestly - it’s comments like yours and the private messages that I receive that are the ONLY REASON I leave this video up . . . Which - to be honest - is quite difficult when sorting through all the hate comments, messages, and just. . . Yeah. THANK YOU. I dont’ know if you have or are ever on instagram - but if you’d like to connect mine is: instagram.com/xosaramichaels 💕 THANK YOU AGAIN for this comment and I’m wishing you the best in finding a better-fitting school. May I suggest looking into Montessori?
Can someone tell what’s wrong with watercolors
Yes please
I’m so confused
Hi, I attended our local public school for Pre-K, kindergarten, 1st grade, and then again for high school, and unfortunately, this setting just was not a good fit for me, as the class sizes were too large, I had difficulty following directions, and my parents were unhappy with the way some of my teachers handled my needs. I am also a very hands-on learner, which did not bode well in our district school. I spent 2nd-8th grade (September 2000 through June 2007) at a private school. I'm not sure that it was a waldorf or Montessori school, but the school placed a strong emphasis on the arts and hands-on learning. I'm glad my parents decided to transfer me to that school from our local public school! I'd say that I really thrived there! Unfortunately, that school only went from Pre-K through 8th grade, after which I switched back to our district high school (I graduated in June of 2011).
Thanks for posting this. My children went to a Waldorf school. Our 2 boys were happy although they still feel the education was strange. Our daughter had a horrendous time with bullying.
The place was definitely cliquey. I had an experience similar to yours when I thought perhaps witchcraft was going on.At the time my daughter had started being afraid to go to school though she was not able to explain why.She had also become very nervous and wouldn't sleep alone. I had read something about a child with similar symptoms who had become involved with witchcraft and it just struck a chord. Then my daughter started telling me about the children dancing around her in a circle in the playground and it just sounded weird. Later she told me she wouldn't sleep in her room because there was a witch in her wardrobe. I did talk about my thoughts to a few people (not people from the school), and they all thought I was being silly and that my daughter had simply had a bad dream. I'm afraid I let others convince me. After hearing your story I'm wondering again. The school also had a woman's circle that met monthly that felt a bit weird too.
Im not an english speaker so im not sure. Are your kids still at that school?
Get your girl out of that school!!! They WILL change her and not for the better........😵😱😖😨😠🤢😧
Trust your instincts! If your daughter is having such a strong reaction, at the very least, it's clearly not a good fit for her.
Please do go and speak about this with the teacher or someone you trust in the school. Or is this history now? Waldorf schools do tend to attract weirdies and it has to be dealt with by the school.
Do you think strange dancing in circles and your daughter having nightmares?
I'm sorry you had this experience it does sound very strange. I have been to public and waldorf school and am currently trying to figure out which type of school is best for my children (= i've been researching different types thoroughly). I personally never had experiences like yours in the 5 years (and 2 school) i went there and really liked my time in waldorf school as it allowed me to grow as human being holistically (not just academically).
I admire your courage for sharing this story. However, listening to you i couldn't help but wonder whether this was simply your impression and what you'd read from other people or if you've asked these questions you encourage parents to ask yourself? If you did what were the answers you got from the school? I'm curious to hear some more details.
Hi Monita! Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. I SO appreciate this.
I, too, was looking into Waldorf for the holistic side of things . . .
You know the saying, "You don't know what you don't know?" . . . I did NOT ask these questions prior to joining the school because I thought Waldorf was purely holistic and I only knew what I saw on the website. I didn't even REALIZE what was happening - which is why I made the video. I believe when we have an experience; it's a responsibility to share to help others.
Since the posting of this video - I am even more thoroughly convinced than ever as HUNDREDS have come forward in private message and email - AFRAID to even post in a comment here because of what could happen.
. . . and I've also done HOURS AND HOURS of research; READING the manuals, Steiner's books, WHAT HE BELIEVES ABOUT LUCIFER. He believes he was the "angel of light" and Steiner's mission was to bring this into the world. (truly - look up: STEINER + LUCIFER) . . . or just youtube some of steiner's videos. I guarantee; if you look into his philosophy and research what he stood for; there is no way ANYONE would send their child to a Waldorf school.
I simply want to raise AWARENESS for people to make their own informed decision and I hope this gives a good idea and place of where to start.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I thought I was the only one with a similar experience. I got those vibes just during orientation. You are a great mom for listening to your child and to what your spiritual discernment (God) was telling you. As you said, for people that are not "faith-based", what you are saying does not matter. But I appreciate your message that is directed for those of us that do care about such things.
Im not a parent, I’m doing research currently so my husband and I have a plan of action when we do start having children. My understanding of the Waldorf method is that it is extremely rooted in fantasy and folklore. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, but it seems as though your faith and the way you were raising your children before Waldorf may have instilled in them some fears of witchcraft. I again, from what I’ve learned about Waldorf, this is not from experience, but witches are in fairytales and folklore, and the types of stories they read in Waldorf aren’t watered down to what you might see in Disney. It’s great that you recognize Waldorf isn’t a good fit for you and your family, but it seems like you are putting too much emphasis on the witches and “witchcraft” in stories that have other characters like mermaids and faries and trolls.
As a woman with dreadlocks, that often doesn’t wear bras, and is spiritual in the weird “tarot reading crystal ball way” as you put it, I can see why you felt out of place! It’s great that you are so holistic with your hot pink lipstick and acrylic nails, you even had chickens once, wow! Look at you! It seems like you tried to hop on the wrong trend this time,I’m just flabbergasted that you claim to be open minded and then post a video like this. Asking people to be open minded doesn’t mean you don’t deserve criticism, the subtle threat to turn comments off if they turned against you was a nice touch. Next time do your research! The rest of us are!
A Rudolph Steiner school saved my life.
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Thank you for sharing about your experience. I’ve also heard of several people have the same experience. And your gift, it’s the spiritual gift of discernment. You have been given it for a reason and that’s to protect you and your family 🙏🏼❤️
Hey Sara! Can you please say whether this particular school is in Wisconsin?
Hey - if you want please feel free to send me a PM on instagram and I’d be happy to answer. Https://instagram.com/xosaramichaels
I'm weirded out I go to Steiner school and we DO NOT do witch craft and never have I have been in the Steiner school I go to since it opened and it's pretty normal it's just a different way of learning and slightly different cariculum when we were very young we did sing songs and get told fairytails but we still learnt stuff. I went to a "normal" school before going to a Steiner school and I hated it and I really enjoy Steiner and they didn't put a spell on me so I enjoy it or anything. We do have other paints not just water coulor. I feel like when I went to this school first it had a Steiner vibe and that has got less over the years. I think our school is like the odd one out of the Steiner schools maybe other Steiner schools are like that (I highly doubt it tho) we do have I.T and projectors like other schools but only in the middle school onwards but I think that's fine but yes we do also have chalk boards but at the front of the class we do our work in books and yes I'm not going to lie we do say a morning verse every morning but we don't do like chanting and stuff. When i new person comes we don't do i ritual literally the day before our teacher says a new person is coming then when they come they just walk in and sit down and we get on like normal. Again our school might be really different because we are a government funded school and have different standards but we have a reputation of being tree hugger and fire gnome praisers but we are pretty normal.
Here is a list of our lessons:
Maths
English
Spanish
Manderin
Eurythmy
P.E
I.T
Belifes and values
Hand work
Art
Main lesson (our main subject).
If u are still reading thanks for listening I'm not saying the lady is liying in fact I would love to know which Steiner school she is talking about but I would personally recommend a Steiner school.
Thanks 😁
Well said Chlo
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The one I attended in Australia taught witchcraft as a main lesson. We even had to sing and dance in circles around statues of deities. That "school" is a spiritual cult in every single sense of the word.
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M. Milhem woah what’s the name of the school?
I appreciate your honesty
🙏 THANK YOU.
Well done for listening to your gut. Glad you found montessori, it was what I was going to suggest
I Love yourself expression, WOW!!! you are good storytelling. very vivid and dynamically. Can you please post more videos about any other experience you have had in other areas of you life?
i disagree with almost everything said. i went to chicago waldorf school, and it was the best years of my life. they taught me so much and helped me through hard times. there the reason i got to into physics and science. sure it was wierd when they did a morning chant/prayer thingy. but overall i think it was a great experiance
Hi Sara
I agree that people need to be aware and informed. I also agree that parents are the best people to decide what education is best for their children. It sounds to me like you had a stressful experience and got spooked. I sometimes have these kind of reactions and mine are usually based on fear. What has helped me, is to realize that my inner reactions of fear are fed by my imagination and the best (and hardest) remedy is to confront the situation in the moment it is happening, or soon afterwards. That is the way that we can understand each other better. For example, the dreadlocked woman.....did she have earbuds on under all that hair and was giving her husband her shopping list while staring into space? Asking her directly might have helped you take one step towards someone who is clearly different from yourself. Is it possible she is mentally unstable? I felt uncomfortable with your description of her, where you openly describe her appearance, then in the next line call her 'sister'. Physical appearance is one of the underlying issues that we have to confront in our times, as there are unconscious biases we all carry. I would feel more comfortable if you would take down the post and edit it, so that poor woman does not continue to be accused and slandered every time someone watches your post. We are all free to post things online, but I am aware of the damage that is done, when we accuse others of wrongdoing publicly, the way we see our leaders doing. What is the value of posting public accusations and what is the cost? I think it is obvious that polarization of viewpoints is a very worrisome trend in our culture. Your post has generated a lot of polarized views and I can only imagine the damage it is doing to people, the school you are describing and the people who are posting polarized comments. This whole experience (watching your vlog and reading the comments posted) has created distress for me, thinking that so much discord and upset are being created out of one video posting. I have graduated 4 sons from Grade 12 in a Waldorf school. No school is perfect. I have seen children playing with magic wands, especially since Harry Potter hit the bookshelves when my oldest son was 11 years old. In no way, at any time, did anyone think that those wands were anything but toys for children who like to imagine they have magic powers when they are playing imaginatively. We used to have an older gentleman who liked to sand down interesting pieces of wood to make them and children lines up to get theirs. The old man lived on my street. Accusing someone of witchcraft is interesting, given the history of burning witches in our human history. It is, in my understanding, based on misogyny going back to the Renaissance times in Europe. The history of accusing people of witchcraft is full of power-plays, deception and persecution. It was an easy way to get back at someone you didn't like. It is a history of people accusing someone as a way to create a power imbalance and it was usually directed at women. I doubt you intended this when you made your video, but I think you should consider taking your video down and find another way to open dialogue about the things you found uncomfortable at that school. Maybe ask that administrator to go out for coffee and have a frank chat in which both sides agree to active listening. I think your post and the things you have said could hurt peoples' lives and create the disharmony that does not serve us or our children.
Nice concern trolling. 🙄 In case you forgot, here in America we have the right to say whatever we want without being shamed into silence because we might hurt someone’s feelings. She’s not “making accusations” or “damaging” anyone, she’s giving her opinion about her experience. And if you were truly confident in Waldorf, you wouldn’t be worried that one woman’s TH-cam video is somehow damaging, because you’d be sure that the merits of the school speaks for itself. But clearly, that’s not the case.
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Would you mind telling us which state this school was in?
Hi, thank you for been honest and sharing your feelings . When something is not right to me I kinda feel that same way specially when it came to me kids, best school education for children is been at home with dedicated parents.
No matter how good that schools are not body will tell you that true about your kids until you truly work with them and observe their development. Is only a period of time the kids want to be with parents after a certain age the window close and then start another stage in their life.
Your experience is in no way indicative of a Waldorf education. At all. They don't do spells, they are not into witchcraft. My kids excelled and were challenged across all learning areas--reading, science, math, art, and music. Experience-based learning--phenomenological--gives a strong foundation to their understanding of all subjects. They are allowed to experience the subject matter physically first. They were not turned into rote-mumbling zombies like public school teaching. The Waldorf graduates I observed are empathetic, intelligent young adults and I cannot be happier for how my own kids have learned. Colleges like them too, with scholarships from every school to which they applied.
But I will tell you, that I was educated in a cult-like system. We were told ridiculous, conflicting stories about a really mean sky god who killed people all the time. Later, we were forced to believe that a ghost got a girl pregnant and that baby was actually a god too! I mean, don't get me started on how we were forced to eat bread that was somehow magically turned into the body of this god and we also had to drink his blood.
Talk about cults!!!
I'm sure you would have loved it, since you believe in the paranormal. But to quote you: You go girl.
Imagination is heavily used in Waldorf and you took this to an end which is simply NOT Waldorf education. Sorry for you.
excuse me, what? I'm not understanding the comment. Perhaps any experience you've had with the school has been an a-typical interaction. Since the making of this video and interactions with not only parents of former students (from schools ALL OVER THE WORLD) as well as former staff + teachers; I know this is NOT just me, only in America, or contained to this unique instance at this one school.
You don't have to agree with me; but you do NOT get to discredit my experience because you are neither me nor my child.
Thank you for sharing this...I have a friend looking at a Waldorf school. I have been reading on the explanation of their philosophy so your testimony makes sense. I was thinking of becoming a teacher because of the arts, but the philosophy part of it sounded a little off.
what is the name of that school? and location
Ask yourself, can a school really give a quality education when it’s founder denied that the earth orbits the sun and when the underpinning belief is that learning is damaging to the child’s soul lol
things I wish I would've known before I sent my child the first time 🤦♀️ I honestly researched what shoes to buy more than I researched into the founder of this school and what his beliefs are. *sigh* live and learn!
Since the teachers actually teaching there do " believe" or rather know these things, yes, the school can give a quality education. And the numbers show it to proof. Kids who attended waldorf schools go on to university in record numbers. Also, waldorf students have better soft skills. That was our motivation and proof for the success of the school.
Your statements are rubbish. He never said any such things.
You mean like Christianity did? LMFAO.
Any possibility that just this particular school do this thing??? I'm still researching, but I'm interest , so far, to build a school under Waldorf line, but surely I would never do spell crafts 😕
Well - here’s my understanding - this does NOT OCCUR at all Waldorf schools. HOWEVER I STRONGLY urge you to do your own research into the particular school your’e looking at in addition to the principles on which the founder (Rudolf Steiner) founded the school. He had some pretty trippy philosophies and his whole idea was to build a school to indoctrine young children into his mindset (because they’re the ones that are the most impressionable) . . . I paraphrased. But you can find transcripts, manuals and everything from his initial meetings. I’ve also spoken with STAFF that have agreed with what I said about the philosophy.
So regardless of if this was just a more “pagan”-ish school . . . Just do the research 💕
Ok thank you, kinda I'm pro of pagan philosophyes , but nothing dark or bad I would never aloud to my son or other kids, thanks for your answers .
Thank you for sharing your story, I have never seen something so relatable
Do you have any links discussing watercolour?
Hi Shandora! - - I've included some of the links in this post: www.saramichaels.com/single-post/2018/01/17/Our-Experience-with-a-Waldorf-School . . . if you're looking to do more specific digging into a particular topic the links located in that post should help you get there. I would encourage to look into Steiner's beliefs (links included in there) as to why he felt watercolor and particular paintings could connect to the ethereal world. Otherwise you can find his teachings and audiobooks right here on TH-cam! - Sara
I'm in Australia researching schools and I heard that the kids of the founders of Google etc send their kids to Waldorf..all I want for my daughter is a nurturing, non shoving the learning in but drawing the children out education. Don't care whether its waldorf, Christian, etc In saying that after some research into both standard and non standard education both have pluses and both have minuses. I looked on youtube at a very popular non standard school here in Victoria that's very old and the video was amazing, it showed families eating together, kids coming and going and emphasized that children are treated with respect and learning is about having fun and being yourself. I thought wow finally a school that seems to make sense, I rang and asked to come and have a look and the teacher I spoke to was just not at all interested. Almost as though there were enough students there already and anyone new would threaten the culture of the group. Kind of like when you were at school and the popular clique kids would be above everyone else however this was an alternative version, or should I say instead of wearing mainstream labels it was knitted beanies and shawls but with the same exclusive attitude. Mainstream schools are no different in that ive found some to be too tough or drop the kid at the gate and pick them up at 3 and go on like this year after year so what ive realized is its not whats on the website or whats advertised, like you said but its the culture and actual in practice values of the school which may or may not even be advertised, the school may as a whole take for granted its decent nurturing attitude as one that should go without saying. So waldorf or not its about spending some time there unfortunately until you know its right or not for you and your child or not.... its hard.
I attended Waldorf-Kindergarden but its soo long ago, i almost cant remember! Luckyly i diddent go waldorf shool, my parents asked me if i wanna waldorf shool, but i sayed i wanna go regular school
None of the comments seem to address anything about Waldorf graduates navigating the system; Do they go on to College - graduate school? What professionals do they pursue? Are they properly equipped for life beyond this experience, particularly with respect to he culture that they live in.?
Thank you for sharing! I'm an empath also and looked into steiner schools for my little girl and recently got the sick gut feeling randomly about it ( before experiencing this i thought it was the best thing since sliced bread) . It was enough to make me look further. I don't like that it masquerades as humanist but is heavily religious based on Rudolf Steiner's belief system. My little girl will now be attending private school as I did.
Of course it is religious.
Look into oak meadow. A homeschool. They adapted Waldorf principles but they removed religion and grimm nurseries and stuff like that!
Do they teach him about gnomes? A friend of mine mentioned his Waldorf School was very heavy on gnome teachings
Which school is this? What state?
is it possibble for you make a report about the school? sound is not right in there! regards from Uk
My IQ just dropped by 50 points after watching this.
Nah, that's the usual effect of watching youtube
Life saver! Thank you! God bless you!!
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I could be wrong, but it sounds to me as if the feelings she got simply had to do with encountering something outside the scope of her spiritual comfort zone. In my experience faith based spirituality is basically superficially magical materialism.
Most mainstream christians for instance believe in the supernatural but unless it was a beautiful radiant angel, jesus or god they would be terrified. Also note, they "believe", worse still have "faith", which is to say that have an "idea" in their heads that is based only in stories theyve been told. Its a very 2d kind of spirituality. Only having ideas or concepts to hold on to, that havent been backed by any real experiences, except perhaps an untrained set of feelings they take as evidence, that are so untrained they can not even qualify as genuine intuition, with only ideas to hold onto the person is basically a materialist. When confronted with anything spiritually real through genuine spiritual experience, esp. If that experience is a well rounded holistic picture of the actual spiritual world, then this person is either terrified or denies the reality of that spiritual world and returns to the matrix.
What was actually likely happening with her son is he was moving from needing faith to the awakening of God given spiritual faculties within his being, and she basically took this beautiful opportunity for completely natural and wonderful human development away from him.
But this is the state of the world we live in, so its not surprising mom drank the materialist cool aid 😥
What state do you live in? Can you tell me which Waldorf school that was? Just curious
I'm in Wisconsin! :) As far as naming the exact school - - at this time I don't feel comfortable as I've received some backlash. I just encourage anyone digging into this to really just look into the principles and see if it's something they align with or not. Not all Waldorf schools may be like this!
I’m in Wisconsin and have been looking at Waldorf. Could you please let me know which one ?
The one in northern IL is just as bad, scary stuff, they have great cover stories for their disturbing curriculum
Thank you for being brave enough to tell your story. You're initial instincts were correct. I worked for this school for 6 mos. approx15 years ago. Since then I have done quite a bit of research as I had the same suspicions you had only I had a first hand account. Nothing seemed right to me, almost right under the surface. You can't pick out one particular thing, your body, mind and soul just tell you something is not right. Needless to say, I am a secrets worst nightmare as I will be like a dog with a bone when trying to figure something out, especially if I sense that something is being hidden from me. I ask many many questions and thats just what I did while working there. There were too many situations that I experienced or witnessed that I needed answers to. At first, I thought I was just reading into things too much, then I thought I was the only one finding some things not right, after witnessing some things, then I started asking many questions to my bosses. Finally, they handed me a book by Rudolph Steiner and my bosses exact words were "you're either going to get it or not". I got it all right and my impression is that it was not good. If you doubt me, look at a 67 page pamphlet they published back in 1982 regarding the Waldorf Curriculum. HIdden within it, on page 54 are these exact words - "Most of that which contributes to our work as teachers preparation work, artistic work, even meditative work, is under the guardianship of Lucifer.We can become great teachers under his supervision, for he is responsible for much that has blossomed in the unfolding of civilization and culture in the past". I also was expected to eat lunch each day with the rest of the "staff". Although the food tasted good, during the first three weeks or so I would return to my desk (which was in a huge old farm house on the campus grounds) and would end up in the restroom vomiting it all up. However, once this subsided, I would actually think about the next days meal and would crave the food. Just putting that out there. I never would have believed someone if they told me I was really working for a cult, yet I now know I was. I also believe that was why they started reducing my hours shortly after I returned the book and had many more questions. I now wouldn't bat an eye if someone told me they had put something in the food. Not saying they did, just saying it would not surprise me. God Bless and thank you for telling your story. Getting the word out there is important. Our most precious in our society is our children and people should be completely informed when considering where they send their children.
Bilbo Bagins what is the name of the pamphlet?
@@amberrose6647 The Waldorf Teachers Survival Guide. You will also read quite a bit about this subject if you look up Rudolph Steiner and The Rudolph Steiner College located in Fair Oaks, California. There is no end to the luciferian connection to this school and its teachings as well as documented evidence on this subject. It won't take you long to find the information.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING!!!!!! THAT BOOK IS THE SAME ONE I READ!!!!! after MUCH digging I was able to locate it online and OMG!!!!! I couldn't believe the words I had just read. And reading ANY of Steiner's other books?! There's no way you could read his words and think that he would have an unbiased school.
AGAIN - thank you for sharing this! I am SO HAPPY you got out and I cannot even imagine . . . you would hate to think somebody would do that to the food but if you were asking questions; I mean, really??? You just never know . . .
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@@SaraMichaels I am so glad you found the courage to tell your story. Had you not done so, you would have never met so many other good people who had the same feelings and suspicions you did. Be proud of yourself for going on your inner feelings and trusting your gut. There is no greater truth serum than a mother's instincts. I am sending the happiest of Merry Christmas to you and yours and just finished hitting the subscribe button. Blessings and God's blessings to you.
@@SaraMichaels So what is the book saying that you find strange?
Rudolf Steiner's viewpoints on magic have been highly debated in the Anthroposophical community. His thoughts on magic are rooted in his own spiritual beliefs, and many individuals have interpreted his words in several ways. Steiner recognized the existence of magical practices, but his ideas embody a clarification of the relationship between magic and spirituality, warns against their confusion, and posits spiritual development as a superior alternative to the practice of magic.
Steiner's main objections, which were based on his understanding of spiritual science perspective, was that magical practices typically focus on manipulating, controlling, and influencing various spiritual or supernatural realms or forces to accomplish a specific outcome according to the desires or wants the practitioner holds. Steiner did not disapprove of magic completely, but he discouraged the pursuit of magic by linking it to an ethically and morally deficient view of spirituality.
Steiner has discouraged the practice of magic. Instead, he stressed that the path of spiritual development should be based on the cultivation of individual inner spiritual growth through ethical behavior, personal discipline and meditation, self-discovery and service to others, and meditation.
To Steiner, the pursuit of magical powers and abilities for unlawful gains or control over others is misguided, and with it comes a danger to oneself and others. Instead, he emphasized that spiritual growth and development should foster emotional harmony, intellectual clarity, and personal responsibility for one's actions, rooted in personal spiritual development, love, and compassion for others.
What was the name of the school?
maybe it was just that school. Im 15 and Ive gone to Waldorf school my whole life. we've never worked with wands or spells. also I don't understand why making "pretend" spells is such a bad thing. I would never ever leave my school, it is true however that we all have a very closed circle. it takes a little while to invite someone in because we don't know how they are. once you get into the vibe we will love you forever. I was okay for the first half of the video but once the end came, I couldn't look at you without making a face. its called a morning verse, and we say it because we want to be in contact with ourselves and with nature. theres nothing wrong with that. our graduation ceremony is pretty normal if you ask me, and I don't believe I'm brainwashed. I think that the Waldorf school definitely isn't for everybody and its definitely not for you, but I strongly believe that it is a great school and gives a great education
The problem with going to the same school your whole life is that you cannot really know if it "gives a great education." Parents and teachers can tell you you're getting a great education, that it's better than other schools, and so forth, but the real test is when you go on to university or a job. If you want an independent education about Waldorf schools, I strongly recommend you check out the following website of a former Waldorf student: sites.google.com/site/waldorfwatch/table-of-contents. It is one of many websites that expose the truth about Waldorf. I'm not knocking you. I, myself, was a deceived parents who bought into all the hype about the superiority of Waldorf education and my children paid the price for it.
@@msachs7259 I've found Waldorf education through kindergarten and middle school to be really good! I did part of my high school in a "normal" and adapted just fine. Currently, I'm enrolled in one of the best colleges in my country (Brazil). Maybe it depends on the school... but Waldorf education really does prepare children to go to the world as kind, creative, resourceful and open-minded human beings.
Nayara, because it has been drummed into them, many Waldorf students parrot the Waldorf PR about the schools preparing children to be people who are socially well-adjusted, creative, open-minded, etc. Waldorf PR is not just for recruiting new students. It is used within schools to influence parents and students, who have already fallen under the spell of an aesthetically beguiling environment with appealing community activities.
I know lots of people with the qualities you describe who did not go to Waldorf schools. I also know adults who attended Waldorf schools who do not share these qualities. Some former Waldorf students I know attended good colleges, some went to college but dropped out, others had difficulties finding their way.
The problem for most parents and students is that they know nothing about the occultist Rudolf Steiner and anthroposophy other than what the school has told them. "Steiner was a scientist." He was not. "Anthroposophy is not in the classroom." It is. Unless one is extremely well-informed about Steiner and anthroposophy, one cannot recognize how anthroposophy is woven into the curriculum and almost all classroom activities. Just to give one tiny example: In the first four grades children recite daily what the teachers call a morning "verse." The lines of the "verse" are ordered in a way that make it not easy to fully understand its meaning. The so-called "verse" is actually a prayer to the sun god of anthroposophy. Why do Waldorf teachers call it a "verse"? Because Steiner instructed Waldorf teachers never to be caught calling a prayer a prayer. He specifically instructed them to call a prayer a verse. In fact, he was very clear about instructing them to deceive parents and government school inspectors about anthroposophy's role in Waldorf education. Read his book Faculty Meetings with Rudolf Steiner if you don't believe me.
Why does it matter whether Anthroposophy is in the classroom? It matters because occult rituals like eurythmy, teaching methods based on supernatural developmental theories, history lessons that are mostly about mythology that plays an important part in anthroposophy, pseudoscience being passed off as science, and other ways in which anthroposophy is promoted during school hours -- all these things fill up a child's school years leaving little room for the kind of education most of the parents believe their children are getting. Don't take my word for it. Go to the online Steiner Archives and read his lectures. Or take an easier route and go either to the WaldorfWatch website I linked to above (in particular, you should read the articles by former anthroposophist/waldorf teacher Gregoire Perra) or to waldorfcritics.org/.
Then, of course, there is the racism inherent in Steiner's anthroposophy. But don't get me started on that!
I'm not trying to throw a wet blanket on your happy memories of your time at your Waldorf school. It's a tricky thing, I know. One of my children, while recognizing the serious failings, still has some happy memories that don't need to be forgotten. Congratulations on getting into one of the best colleges in Brazil. My sincere best wishes to you for your future.
It’s just strange that your not just taught to be nice to people no matter what, and that you have to invite them in? Because in this sense it’s sitting yourself higher than others as you believe you are an adequate judge of other humans. That’s whack!
Making pretend spells is bad because it’s spiritually diving into witchcraft even if it’s fake it’s coming into agreement with what it stands for which isn’t good.
@@msachs7259 "he was very clear about instructing them to deceive parents and government school inspectors about anthroposophy's role in Waldorf education. Read his book Faculty Meetings with Rudolf Steiner if you don't believe me. " I have. You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Anyone looking to go to a Waldorf school just be warned that we celebrate michealmas, Santa Lucia, advent, and a lot of other holidays I had never heard of before Waldorf
those are like a holiday they always have in Jane Austen and one they always have in Sweden! I wonder why. all christian holidays though, maybe it would be better to add something more neutral
LOL that's awesome. I would love for my kid to be able to go to Hogwarts.
AdoraGirlxo Really? Witchcraft? That can’t be good.
Yeah I'm all for Harry Potter 😂 . . .but this wasn't exactly a cute experience. 😉 💕
@@SaraMichaels my friend broke her leg and a kid broke my nose at Waldorf because the staff didn't watch us. It's not cute and it's not fun, it's dangerous.
I am in a stiener/waldorf school and my school is nothing like this 😂😂
I hate that feeling you get when you want to be a team player but the team won’t accept you. Hits the feels. Sorry you had this experience.
Personally, I enjoy occult teachings and enjoy Rudolf Steiner’s work. Which is one of the draws for me. But I totally respect and understand your situation and perspective. It’s not for everyone and that’s ok. Thanks for posting this. ❤️
🤔 Interesting analogy. Not sure I'm connecting the reference here. This wasn't exactly that the team didn't accept me - it was more that I realized the team was playing a sport I didn't event want to play. 🤷♀️ But thank you for being able to see my perspective, know we see it differently and NOT come here spewing hate
I think the take-home message should boil-down to KNOW what school you are enrolling your child in. This includes ANY school. Waldorf, Montessori, Private school,Public School. Parents need to know what their kids are being taught. Thank you for sharing your experience. Don't let others negative and ignorant comments change this video. This is your experience and don't allow them undemine your communication about it! I am not saying to censor them because I'm against censorship, but don't mind their narrow-mindedness to the point where you are self-censoring. Speak the truth! People will always find something to be offended about. Nobody is perfect! Specially not the one's insulting you!
😭 I have no idea who you are. . . But I have tears in my eyes and you have touched my heart. THANK YOU. This video is YEARS old and I created it NEVER HAVING A CLUE the reach (or blowback) it would receive. I simply recorded it because a few of my dear friends had asked WHY we no longer attended the school. I expected MAYBE it would reach 50 people. . . 🤷🏼♀️ I’ve been tempted SO MANY TIMES to remove it - but comments like yours are enough for me to keep it up.
The occult is everywhere. Trust your intuition. Thank you for sharing your experience, it takes a lot of courage!
I’ve had similar experiences at our Waldorf school. We are leaving after nearly 6 years. I am so upset I didn’t see the signs sooner!