This is is being refurbished at a friend's studio now. I think he's going to end up using it for his mobile recording setup. I just ended up with too many consoles. I let this and Topaz go last month unfortunately. The System 8 is a really good sounding console. It has a nice sound and the preamps are discreet. Maybe someday I'll find a 24 channel version.
I’m looking for a console, with a bit of vibe, at least 16 channels, direct outs, phantom power, switchable line / mic in. Do you think this might fit the bill, or are you aware of anything similar? was looking at the Tasman m series but I don’t believe they have direct outs without mods. Thanks, Alex
The vintage A&H consoles like System 8 sounds very good and have a lot of vintage vibe. The only issue with these is the maintenance due to the age of the consoles. They are also not modular and have bus bars to connect all the channels and the master section which makes them very difficult to work on if they need restoration or repair. Tascam consoles usually sound very good as well but are not necessarily very vintage sounding although that depends on the model. Some of the older consoles with transformer balanced mic inputs do have a more vintage sound than the more modern consoles that Tascam made. The great thing about Tascam consoles is the reliability. I'm selling my M35 on Reverb currently as I don't use it as much as I used to.
@@TwinCreekAudio thanks for your detailed reply, as someone with limited electrical knowledge I imagine the system 8 might become a burden in this case ( although I imagine this is the case with most vintage consoles) however ease of repair would be a benefit. I would be interested in the tascam you are selling but I’m in the UK and I believe you are US biased?
Yes, I'm in the United States. If you are in the UK, you should be able to find a lot of different vintage mixers as the best consoles in the world are made in the UK. My favorite consoles that were made in the UK that are not overpriced are Saoundtracs and Soundcraft. You might look for a Jade or a quart or even a topaz although those are not modular and the other models are. Personally I run a Soundcraft Sapphyre which is an amazing sounding console and has been very reliable. I would look for a console that was designed for recording specifically and made in the UK. Those are going to be the best type of console for Studio use and most of them are extremely reliable and modular making service easier.
I am pretty sure they are unbalanced. Most connections on the console are except the group and master outs. As long as the cable run isn't long, it shouldn't be an issue sound wise.
@@TwinCreekAudio just been watching your other vids, looking at getting one but don’t know if it’s a 1 or 2. It looks and sounds lovely! Take it easy Grady 👍
@@Tobes1100 The MK I has shorter 60mm faders and direct outputs were optional and not all had them until the MK II. They are both the same color while the MK III is a grayish blue color. They are all good consoles but the MK II and MK III have more features. Thanks! I'm you're enjoying the videos. I am working on the tape machine videos next and more mixing and console videos soon.
Hello Very great tutorial, very clear. I'm from France and i understand all. I'm looking for this console for a long time. If you heard about someone is selling a system 8 or any website to find it. Thanks a lot .ToM.
This one does. It the 828 FireWire so it needs a FireWire card or connection. FireWire is kind of outdated now but many good interfaces use it and they are usually pretty cheap!
I think you’d have to actually mod the console for that. They only show the subgroup and master levels. There aren’t any switches for the meters or any option like that stock. These were made way back when most small studios were 8 track and most users used the subgroups to feed the tape machine.
@@TwinCreekAudio i have the 24 channel system8 mK III. it has 16 VU (plus 2 master), but only 8 subgroups... not sure what the other 8 vu's are for. i thought i read somewhere that you could have them show the first 16 channels, but ive never been able to figure it out.
I’ll look into it. I have the 168 and It may be different. Mine only has 8 tape inputs. I’ll look at it more closely when I’m in the studio. I have the manual too so I’ll check it.
It will need more than a power cord. It’s needs a 15V external power supply. Studio Systems UK can build one for you. They make Blue Dog power supplies. Otherwise something like an Acopian linear power supply. Mine came with a replacement power supply that says American Power Systems. I would check Studio Systems UK or Creation Audio labs in Nashville for one that’s ready to go and will definitely work with the System 8. You can get almost any power supply and the Pinout for the power connector on the console is in the manual. I have the manual. Go to my web site and send me a message if you can’t find the manual or power input pinout online.
@@TwinCreekAudio btw do you think something like this would work www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DMHUP4532--dangerous-music-power-supply?mrkgadid=3274464262&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=livesound&lighting=&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046938738817&lid=92700046938738817&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283820807&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=411569127080&product_id=DMHUP4532&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&locationid=9018573&creative=250341283160&targetid=aud-377243944973%3Apla-411569127080&campaignid=953755110&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwxev3BRBBEiwAiB_PWDZiLohfULU2g6OwWCuhB3_pGpvNr1-jtX6JdY0e7JT3EBw8LB8vuxoCidsQAvD_BwE
Thank you! I’m working on more videos and will definitely make more about the System 8. Really appreciate you watching. I work really hard on these videos and also enjoy answering questions.
I did that upgrade several years before I started the channel so I didn’t film it. All I did was replace the stock transformer with an Edcor RMX-1 ribbon mic transformer.
www.preservationsound.com/2011/12/so-you-want-a-good-cheap-ribbon-mic-upgrading-the-69-99-mxl-r40/ This is the article I used to do the upgrade on my R144. I also did an R40 the same way so I have 2 modded ribbons for cheap! The R40 and R144 are the same internally.
A great tutorial and demo. Keep this type of hands on stuff coming. Very interesting.
Thank you!
Great stuff. I have the same desk, I haven't really used it yet, but I am going to start to use it more.
This is is being refurbished at a friend's studio now. I think he's going to end up using it for his mobile recording setup. I just ended up with too many consoles. I let this and Topaz go last month unfortunately. The System 8 is a really good sounding console. It has a nice sound and the preamps are discreet. Maybe someday I'll find a 24 channel version.
I had the 24 channel version damn it sounded good
I'd love to have a 24 channel System 8. They sound really good. I've almost bought one a few times but they sold before I could get them.
I’m looking for a console, with a bit of vibe, at least 16 channels, direct outs, phantom power, switchable line / mic in. Do you think this might fit the bill, or are you aware of anything similar? was looking at the Tasman m series but I don’t believe they have direct outs without mods. Thanks, Alex
The vintage A&H consoles like System 8 sounds very good and have a lot of vintage vibe. The only issue with these is the maintenance due to the age of the consoles. They are also not modular and have bus bars to connect all the channels and the master section which makes them very difficult to work on if they need restoration or repair. Tascam consoles usually sound very good as well but are not necessarily very vintage sounding although that depends on the model. Some of the older consoles with transformer balanced mic inputs do have a more vintage sound than the more modern consoles that Tascam made. The great thing about Tascam consoles is the reliability. I'm selling my M35 on Reverb currently as I don't use it as much as I used to.
@@TwinCreekAudio thanks for your detailed reply, as someone with limited electrical knowledge I imagine the system 8 might become a burden in this case ( although I imagine this is the case with most vintage consoles) however ease of repair would be a benefit. I would be interested in the tascam you are selling but I’m in the UK and I believe you are US biased?
Yes, I'm in the United States. If you are in the UK, you should be able to find a lot of different vintage mixers as the best consoles in the world are made in the UK. My favorite consoles that were made in the UK that are not overpriced are Saoundtracs and Soundcraft. You might look for a Jade or a quart or even a topaz although those are not modular and the other models are. Personally I run a Soundcraft Sapphyre which is an amazing sounding console and has been very reliable. I would look for a console that was designed for recording specifically and made in the UK. Those are going to be the best type of console for Studio use and most of them are extremely reliable and modular making service easier.
@@Alex-pq4zl thank you!
Very insightful! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Do you know if the direct outs are balanced or unbalanced on the System 8?
I am pretty sure they are unbalanced. Most connections on the console are except the group and master outs. As long as the cable run isn't long, it shouldn't be an issue sound wise.
are the direct outs switchable to either pre or post eq/fader? Nice video, cheers.
It is a MK II and the direct outs are post EQ, post fader on this model. Really good preamps and EQ on this console.
@@TwinCreekAudio just been watching your other vids, looking at getting one but don’t know if it’s a 1 or 2. It looks and sounds lovely! Take it easy Grady 👍
@@Tobes1100 The MK I has shorter 60mm faders and direct outputs were optional and not all had them until the MK II. They are both the same color while the MK III is a grayish blue color. They are all good consoles but the MK II and MK III have more features. Thanks! I'm you're enjoying the videos. I am working on the tape machine videos next and more mixing and console videos soon.
Hello
Very great tutorial, very clear. I'm from France and i understand all.
I'm looking for this console for a long time. If you heard about someone is selling a system 8 or any website to find it.
Thanks a lot
.ToM.
Thank you! The System 8 is a good console. If I see one for sale, I will give you the information. Mine is in storage with a power supply problem.
@@TwinCreekAudio
Thank you
Have a Nice day
Hello
One question
What don't you use the line ip instead of the tape ip to go back on your console ?
Thank's
Tom
@@tomdumartin7044 I have one I may sell. I’m in Canada though, and shipping would cost a fortune. :(
@@xa1a hello great.
But it will Cost too much i think
Do these motu interfaces work without that proprietary PCI? I'm so eager to get hold of one of these!!!
This one does. It the 828 FireWire so it needs a FireWire card or connection. FireWire is kind of outdated now but many good interfaces use it and they are usually pretty cheap!
@@TwinCreekAudio awesome! O was looking into the 828 as well as the 2408 mk1/2s... Hope the latter ones do work that way too.
Most of them should be FireWire. I know the MKII is.
do you know of a way to assign the Vu meters to the individual channels?
I think you’d have to actually mod the console for that. They only show the subgroup and master levels. There aren’t any switches for the meters or any option like that stock. These were made way back when most small studios were 8 track and most users used the subgroups to feed the tape machine.
@@TwinCreekAudio i have the 24 channel system8 mK III. it has 16 VU (plus 2 master), but only 8 subgroups... not sure what the other 8 vu's are for. i thought i read somewhere that you could have them show the first 16 channels, but ive never been able to figure it out.
I’ll look into it. I have the 168 and It may be different. Mine only has 8 tape inputs. I’ll look at it more closely when I’m in the studio. I have the manual too so I’ll check it.
En que año se fabrico?
@@gabrielbecerra8021 2012
Can u tell me what kinda cord this uses I have one but Doesn't have a power cord
It will need more than a power cord. It’s needs a 15V external power supply. Studio Systems UK can build one for you. They make Blue Dog power supplies. Otherwise something like an Acopian linear power supply. Mine came with a replacement power supply that says American Power Systems. I would check Studio Systems UK or Creation Audio labs in Nashville for one that’s ready to go and will definitely work with the System 8. You can get almost any power supply and the Pinout for the power connector on the console is in the manual. I have the manual. Go to my web site and send me a message if you can’t find the manual or power input pinout online.
@@TwinCreekAudio you just helped me more then all my googling did. Thanks appreciate it. You get a sub from me
@@TwinCreekAudio btw do you think something like this would work www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DMHUP4532--dangerous-music-power-supply?mrkgadid=3274464262&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=livesound&lighting=&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046938738817&lid=92700046938738817&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283820807&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=411569127080&product_id=DMHUP4532&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=g&matchtype=&locationid=9018573&creative=250341283160&targetid=aud-377243944973%3Apla-411569127080&campaignid=953755110&gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=CjwKCAjwxev3BRBBEiwAiB_PWDZiLohfULU2g6OwWCuhB3_pGpvNr1-jtX6JdY0e7JT3EBw8LB8vuxoCidsQAvD_BwE
Thank you! I’m working on more videos and will definitely make more about the System 8. Really appreciate you watching. I work really hard on these videos and also enjoy answering questions.
@@bigscoop5864 did you end up getting a power supply?
Do you have a video of your upgrade on your r144
I did that upgrade several years before I started the channel so I didn’t film it. All I did was replace the stock transformer with an Edcor RMX-1 ribbon mic transformer.
Twin Creek Audio microphoneparts.com?
I think I got it directly from edcorusa.com
www.preservationsound.com/2011/12/so-you-want-a-good-cheap-ribbon-mic-upgrading-the-69-99-mxl-r40/
This is the article I used to do the upgrade on my R144. I also did an R40 the same way so I have 2 modded ribbons for cheap! The R40 and R144 are the same internally.
Twin Creek Audio thanks! I’ll be taking this on for sure!