Ive switched from the very limited Kontakt player to Sine player a year ago for my live keys rig....Very simple , user friendly & the sounds are awesome!!!
I'm new to SINE Player and think it's absolutely amazing. No more long AF loading times and the option to purchase exactly what Im after from a release is incredible. The way it should be!
hi Geoff... I love the Metropolis Ark series so I'm a BIG fan of Orchestral Tools but unless and until we can edit and manipulate samples in Sine like we can in Kontakt, as a composer/sound designer I don't see any point in using it !
SINE isn't bad for what I'm using it for (a free sound player, no DAW) but for those of you needing something more robust, I can see your frustration with it. It does have some promise- and since I can't afford to shell out $$ for Kontakt and an NI keyboard at the moment, using this and Ableton will just have to do. Thanks MM for a very helpful vid!
Sine is a mixed bag for me. I have a lot of libraries from many companies but I find Orchestral Tools free Helix library sounds great along side libraries that cost hundreds of dollars. This player was completely unusable at first and caused a tonne of crashes on a brand new Windows PC. It's fairly stable now regarding not crashing my system but I frequently have to remove the plugin and reload because patches just get stuck playing notes indefinitely. I do really mean frequently too. Like every 10-15 minutes, more so if I'm switching between Sine and another player like Spitfire or Kontakt. So I do use it, but reluctantly. I also find it more cumbersome to use and slower to tweak things like reverb, volume, mic positions, etc.
I enjoy the layout and functionality of Sine, agree about the Store and OT's whole ala carte philosophy, it's a game changer. Sine is still a bit unstable in my experience though. Crashes in Logic sometimes, heavy load times for the Berlin Series, especially on startup but once it loads everything it's fine. Would love for OT and Spitfire for that matter to have some sort of a batch resave function on their players. The eliminate certain articulations function is nice in Spitfire's player but still doesn't always do the job. I guess I need more than 64GB now.
Hopefully U can help me... just got sine player at first everything worked together with maschine but today I wanted to start new project opened up maschine then sine but sine won't play thru maschine by itself it will.... Im Confused and sad 😔 Please help or advise Thank U ("
I tried Sine early on and it was nothing but trouble. I haven't checked lately, but on VI-Control, there weren't many fans of Sine. I own most of the Arks and some other OT products. Staying with Kontakt.
I downloaded it briefly in 2020 and found it confusing and never used it. It came with Layers for free. Much different from now, it certainly has improved and there is a tone of free stuff now. Thanks for the update on this thing, I would have missed out on some cool stuff.
I only have the free stuff they've offered, but I didn't really use it because it took them like 2 years to bring AAX format. I was using it in wrapper in the beginning, but never bothered to mess with it much. I found it overall confusing and not user-friendly, but I may go back and revisit it, as you've cleared up a couple things.
I really wanted to purchase Andea, but I'm ructant to use Sine after reading complaints online. Hopefully someone like Strezov will come out with a similar library.
there is no plugin giving me more headache than the sine player. Crashing logic, unable to open older projects that had sine in them etc etc. I love the sound of the JXL brass but its borderline unusable for me (Mac+logic)
@Manchester Music, I clicked this video because your thumbnail says "Is SINE better than Kontakt?". I don't know anything about Kontakt and wanted to see what the differences are but you never showed any of that. It was an excellent video on SINE though and I learned some things. But how does it compare to Kontakt?
@@ManchesterMusic Thanks! But I really wanted to know how they compare. Pros and cons of each from someone that knows both. I guess it doesn't matter. I'll just use both, hehe.
At age 62 I thought I was the classic grumpy old man, but the amount of moaning I read about both Sine and the Spitfire player is astonishing. I've never had any problems with either, nor with Kontakt. But I can't stress how I hate the way Kontakt is not a re-sizable GUI, this for me is a huge issue. As regards improvements to Sine, a simple one would be to be able to set a default download location, as currently it always defaults to the System drive.
What they wanted with SINE is to kinda rival their main competitor, who also has a dedicated player. Both fail on many levels; SINE is borderline unusable, I don't wanna even get into it, looks more like a web browser than an instrument plugin, and Spitfire's is a different instrument for every library of theirs as opposed to a sampler/player that can load all their libraries, like LABS does. Why in the world did they want to move away from Kontakt in the first place is beyond me
Im so happy spitfire (and others) moved away from the Krooks of Kontakt! Constantly upgrading and leaving folks behind, making you spend £ then finding it's gonna be included in your Komplete upgrade.....
@@johnhawkinshawkins1284 you sound like one of those people that buy a thing without bothering to educate yourself on what you’re even buying then proceeds to talk about getting scammed. no one is making you spend money in anything. people act like they are obligated to buy upgrades and blame their lack of self control on the companies. Why you think they have paid upgrade systems lmao because they know people that don’t even use the current version will rush out to buy it
Sine player is SUPER BUGGY and I am angry. I just bought a very expensive library for a project expecting a kontakt download and it was SINE. I installed it and it gives me a weird white screen of death when it tries to call to my account and is totally unusable. Please give me a kontakt version this is not fair. I gave you my hard earned $$$
I'll chip in, why aren't I ? well I just downloaded, it. Firstly is REeeeeealy slow, its not intuative, at all. The inteface is dire, really bad, I could not deal with the way you load the keyboad, the download time is huge, the whole thing is clumsy, sluggish, slow, stingey on graphical feedback, It needs work.. Oh and it's stupendiously expensive. This was only my own findings, but others may well connect it. =o) Sorry if thats a bit mean, but its honest. =o)
I like,,need key switching but my playing style is.definitely right hand orientated 🤫 and therefore I don’t want right hand key switching ..it should be a switchable dexterous option . Sine libraries sound mainly goodish but compared to other alternatives they are are work in progress ..which is fine … it’s fine to innovate and follow a program of continuous improvement.
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Ive switched from the very limited Kontakt player to Sine player a year ago for my live keys rig....Very simple , user friendly & the sounds are awesome!!!
I'm new to SINE Player and think it's absolutely amazing. No more long AF loading times and the option to purchase exactly what Im after from a release is incredible. The way it should be!
Very well done intro and overview. It’s my first view of Sine Player, and you have sparked my interest big time.
Got it yesterday and I've been LOVING it
17:00 so basically people behind this actually really care to make it usable easily and super useful. They think the user first money second. Love it.
i cant find a way to just play ONE note. the software automatically makes harmonies and all that crap. how do i shut that off
hi Geoff... I love the Metropolis Ark series so I'm a BIG fan of Orchestral Tools but unless and until we can edit and manipulate samples in Sine like we can in Kontakt, as a composer/sound designer I don't see any point in using it !
@garaughty I'm genuinely curious, what's your primary use case for editing individual samples inside of an existing library?
wonderful class.......................... I can't wait to see more of your playlists
Can we please have a tutorial for KONTAKT!
I know there are some on TH-cam.
But they are not Manchester Music.
Hahah but there’s so many out there! What specifically are you having trouble with??
Thanks a lot for this info. Just got Sine for the free instruments
SINE isn't bad for what I'm using it for (a free sound player, no DAW) but for those of you needing something more robust, I can see your frustration with it. It does have some promise- and since I can't afford to shell out $$ for Kontakt and an NI keyboard at the moment, using this and Ableton will just have to do. Thanks MM for a very helpful vid!
Sine is a mixed bag for me. I have a lot of libraries from many companies but I find Orchestral Tools free Helix library sounds great along side libraries that cost hundreds of dollars. This player was completely unusable at first and caused a tonne of crashes on a brand new Windows PC. It's fairly stable now regarding not crashing my system but I frequently have to remove the plugin and reload because patches just get stuck playing notes indefinitely. I do really mean frequently too. Like every 10-15 minutes, more so if I'm switching between Sine and another player like Spitfire or Kontakt. So I do use it, but reluctantly. I also find it more cumbersome to use and slower to tweak things like reverb, volume, mic positions, etc.
I enjoy the layout and functionality of Sine, agree about the Store and OT's whole ala carte philosophy, it's a game changer. Sine is still a bit unstable in my experience though. Crashes in Logic sometimes, heavy load times for the Berlin Series, especially on startup but once it loads everything it's fine. Would love for OT and Spitfire for that matter to have some sort of a batch resave function on their players. The eliminate certain articulations function is nice in Spitfire's player but still doesn't always do the job. I guess I need more than 64GB now.
Hopefully U can help me... just got sine player at first everything worked together with maschine but today I wanted to start new project opened up maschine then sine but sine won't play thru maschine by itself it will.... Im Confused and sad 😔 Please help or advise Thank U ("
I tried Sine early on and it was nothing but trouble.
I haven't checked lately, but on VI-Control, there weren't many fans of Sine.
I own most of the Arks and some other OT products. Staying with Kontakt.
its still trash
I downloaded it briefly in 2020 and found it confusing and never used it. It came with Layers for free. Much different from now, it certainly has improved and there is a tone of free stuff now. Thanks for the update on this thing, I would have missed out on some cool stuff.
I only have the free stuff they've offered, but I didn't really use it because it took them like 2 years to bring AAX format. I was using it in wrapper in the beginning, but never bothered to mess with it much. I found it overall confusing and not user-friendly, but I may go back and revisit it, as you've cleared up a couple things.
Could you are a video on how to open sine/orchestral tools in a daw...Thanks have a great weekend 👍
Have you tried soundpaint? Be interested to see your views on that.
Nope. Never. Will give it a look.
@@ManchesterMusic thank you I think it has potential, not quite there yet but promising I think.
Really ice video presentation man. I'm a bit freaked out by merge function. How the hell did they managed that? Wow!
Hi! Is it compatible with Monterey ? :)
I really wanted to purchase Andea, but I'm ructant to use Sine after reading complaints online. Hopefully someone like Strezov will come out with a similar library.
Interesting. We’ll hopefully Orchestral Tools is reading these comments.
there is no plugin giving me more headache than the sine player. Crashing logic, unable to open older projects that had sine in them etc etc. I love the sound of the JXL brass but its borderline unusable for me (Mac+logic)
Damn. Not my experience but that’s brutal. Have you reached out to their customer care team?
@@ManchesterMusic for this problem not yet, I actually did for another reason (question about mic positions) and never heard back though :/
@Manchester Music, I clicked this video because your thumbnail says "Is SINE better than Kontakt?". I don't know anything about Kontakt and wanted to see what the differences are but you never showed any of that. It was an excellent video on SINE though and I learned some things. But how does it compare to Kontakt?
Try this: th-cam.com/video/cANXrimv8C8/w-d-xo.html
@@ManchesterMusic Thanks! But I really wanted to know how they compare. Pros and cons of each from someone that knows both. I guess it doesn't matter. I'll just use both, hehe.
I like it and it's relatively quick. Kontakt has it's glitches and latency but Orchestral Tools and the Teldex stage is just one option tbh
help I can't hear any audio for some reason.
Works for me…Not sure whats going on
At age 62 I thought I was the classic grumpy old man, but the amount of moaning I read about both Sine and the Spitfire player is astonishing. I've never had any problems with either, nor with Kontakt. But I can't stress how I hate the way Kontakt is not a re-sizable GUI, this for me is a huge issue. As regards improvements to Sine, a simple one would be to be able to set a default download location, as currently it always defaults to the System drive.
why isn't anyone showing how you map a midi keyboard to your DAW
What they wanted with SINE is to kinda rival their main competitor, who also has a dedicated player. Both fail on many levels; SINE is borderline unusable, I don't wanna even get into it, looks more like a web browser than an instrument plugin, and Spitfire's is a different instrument for every library of theirs as opposed to a sampler/player that can load all their libraries, like LABS does. Why in the world did they want to move away from Kontakt in the first place is beyond me
Im so happy spitfire (and others) moved away from the Krooks of Kontakt! Constantly upgrading and leaving folks behind, making you spend £ then finding it's gonna be included in your Komplete upgrade.....
I think it's about time that we were able to enlarge the Kontakt GUI.
@@johnhawkinshawkins1284 you sound like one of those people that buy a thing without bothering to educate yourself on what you’re even buying then proceeds to talk about getting scammed. no one is making you spend money in anything. people act like they are obligated to buy upgrades and blame their lack of self control on the companies. Why you think they have paid upgrade systems lmao because they know people that don’t even use the current version will rush out to buy it
12:10 when you can't say it but you can come pretty darn close
lol.
i just purchased a library and with a mac M1 i just get clicks and pops... waste of money
Sine player is SUPER BUGGY and I am angry. I just bought a very expensive library for a project expecting a kontakt download and it was SINE. I installed it and it gives me a weird white screen of death when it tries to call to my account and is totally unusable. Please give me a kontakt version this is not fair. I gave you my hard earned $$$
Mehhh.... Too many problems storing samples across on NAS. THEY have NO business limiting my storage spaces.
I'll chip in, why aren't I ? well I just downloaded, it. Firstly is REeeeeealy slow, its not intuative, at all. The inteface is dire, really bad, I could not deal with the way you load the keyboad, the download time is huge, the whole thing is clumsy, sluggish, slow, stingey on graphical feedback, It needs work.. Oh and it's stupendiously expensive. This was only my own findings, but others may well connect it. =o) Sorry if thats a bit mean, but its honest. =o)
Go Manchester city 😻
I like,,need key switching but my playing style is.definitely right hand orientated 🤫 and therefore I don’t want right hand key switching ..it should be a switchable dexterous option . Sine libraries sound mainly goodish but compared to other alternatives they are are work in progress ..which is fine … it’s fine to innovate and follow a program of continuous improvement.
Sine is a joke. A bad one. Pace of development is virtually zero. Kontakt rules!
Yeah….not using SINE dude. Way too many issues and CPU hog for JXL sounds.