Tar Sands Oil Extraction - The Dirty Truth
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- Environmental devastation of the land, water, and air - the largest industrial energy project in the world is extracting crude oil from bitumen found beneath the pristine boreal forest of Alberta, Canada. Effecting a land mass equivalent in size to Florida or England, Both industry and government are putting money before the health and security of its people and the environment.
Tar sands take 3 barrels of water to process every barrel of oil extracted. Ninety percent of this water becomes so toxic that it must be stored in tailing ponds. Unfortunately these ponds regularly leach pollution into the third largest watershed in the world.
Water depletion, exploitation, privatization and contamination has become one of the most important issues facing humanity this century. Check out my other video on water issues: • Water: The Basics of ... and see my other videos to learn about the dark side of fossil fuels.
To learn more about tar sands, be sure to check out the featured film sources listed below. Find out more about what you can do and how to support the film makers.
Crude Sacrifice
www.crudesacrifice.com/
Dirty Oil (available to watch online)
• Video
Downstream -- (available to watch online)
www.babelgum.com/3015242/downs...
H2Oil
h2oildoc.com/home/
Petropolis
www.petropolis-film.com/
Check out a new promising technology to eliminate tailing ponds:
www.gizmag.com/ionic-liquids-u...
Tar sands development can be minimized by blocking development of pipelines, such as Keystone XL, that carry the sludge of this incredibly polluting energy project. Tell Canada to clean up this mess and join with Bill McKibben and Josh Fox and let your voice be heard.
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No one seems to talk about the oil that was only a couple feet down or how the oil leaked into the rivers or creaks before development.
We are cleaning up the World's LARGEST ancient oil spill!
Trevor Marr these morons don’t get it man like talkin to a set of tits on a board.
FACT: only 3% of the oil sands is mined, 97% is low impact drilled!
Commentators right about the complaint process, I filed one once, and I might add I have 25 years court experience, made case law in the Alberta Law books, and personally have at least 20 Justices declensions filed you can use foe authorities. I filed a complaint once with Alberta environment, under the DOV agreement 5.5 the Feds are to be involved under the Canadian fisheries act (section 137, 62). Know what they did? They changed the fines from a million dollars a day (Canadian) to Rupee's (1/10 our value. Add insult to injury, you get wrapped up in the police act 2.1 , not to release information harmful to the government, and the Privacy and information act reversed to protect themselves. Not to mention the mis leading of justice by lawyers via ethics and conditions. Never did get an answer, go figure
This is depressing to watch.
Myth 2: The oil sands have devastated areas the size of small countries.
This claim is generally caused by confusion of what's what. The Athabasca bitumen deposit is indeed huge, about 142 thousand square kilometres, or 60% as big as the UK. But of this area, only a small fraction can be extracted.The area that actually has been mined is 715 square kilometres, about the size of Singapore, and about 10% of this is at some stage of reclamation.
"moral carelessness" -- great phrase in the video.
I sincerely hope that you never complain about gas prices going up; or that you own a car, take the bus, or ever taken a plane on vacation; has ever used plastic; live in a home that has been dug underground and not built from wood, glass, steel, or bricks; and that you use electricity from generating it through small home generators. If you do, I congratulate you on being the enviro warrior; otherwise, learn about the world around you. Oil is necessary, its the reason why cities exist and how humans live today. Food is transported to cities by using transportation that use gas otherwise it would spoil or be too expensive. Oil has allowed for globalization, bringing the world closer together through transportation that all uses oil and allows for the world we live in today.
If you want to live in isolation where its safe, clean, and environmentally friendly, by all means go for it.
So what do we do with all the toxic waste?
Shared, uh, more than one place! Also, only the last two links you provided work anymore, but they are very good ones! I learned more in 11 minutes and 38 seconds about this than I have in the past 56 years of my life. Thank you doesn't really reach far enough, but that's all I've got. Oh, and in the last 16 years I've been online, this is the FIRST time I have subscribed on one short video. :O
For instance, did you know Canada ranks as one of the top producers of drinking water in the world? We may not have that much longer if we continue using the tar sands. What happened after the recession hit was rapid unemployment. A number of industries could have been developed to create jobs for Canadians. It was prime minister Stephen Harper's DECISION to use Alberta's tar sands industry to fill that gap.
some of these regions went up in flames yesterday looking it up Fort McMurray fire
Yes the oil sands are mainly underground. So no damage to the resource.
I don't think that was caused by the oil sands.
Watch Maker forest fire nothing to do with oil production
Somewhere along the line, Corporations Married Government. Until they are divorced, by law.... Constitutional.... This insanity will continue.
@Tommy mcvee. I applaud man for creating heating, cooling and modern luxuries. I just genuinely believe we can do better with our minds and technology. Maybe more focus on sustainability, lower living cost, not capitalist greed.
Ps. Also aren't we forced to work, pay for a heated home, we will never finish paying for. And need a car to get to work.
We have selected choices.
Long live the PetroState.
On many occasions oil contamination is accidental, like when you get a pipeline leak, or when you are transporting the oil across a body of water in a ship, but the latter instance mostly happens on the ocean.
Yes it may take a while for the land to return to a normal state but Syncrudes already proved they are cabable of reclaimation. The only part that looks sketchy to me is the tailings storage ponds. I think that before they start filling new ponds they should either be lined with concrete or have many layers of somekind of water proof material lining the bed and the banks to keep the water from leaking.
Yes you can clean it up. These companies employ the best land reclamation experts on the planet.
there just cleaning the sand
they're
Also, that is a relative number: it depends on how much you are taking out and exporting at a given time right now, as well as for how long the industry has been around. The Tar Sands have been exploited as early as 2007 and Alberta has been mining for oil for a LOT longer than that.
Camlio, you seem to be one of the few who can actually use rational thought when it comes to issues like this. I commend your attitude of becoming more informed before passing judgement......Thank you.
Time to shut abominable mess down! Canada's is a democracy and we don't want this!
It should have never been started. I guess not enough people cared enough to fight to prevent it.
Todd Reeder
Not just that. We have situation where these crooked, criminals own and control the media in our country. Even worse, Harper uses tax payer money to further this disgusting message of tar sands. The CBC, "Canada's Broadcasting System" wouldn't even play a commercial that was critical of Harper. How's that for democracy? They have no problem playing ads of birds shitting on Stephen Dion's head! We need to take back the media from these shadow figures. We need new laws that strips rights of big corporations who are controlling things behinds the scenes. We need to end the fraud between private banks and the government. That's what it is. Over a trillion dollars siphoned off our country. Search for the History of Canada's debt. It follows the same corrupt model of The Federal Reserve, since the 70's. It's the real reason our country is going broke. Debt is the stealthy weapon of our modern era.
I agree 100%. I think a big part of the problem with Canada and the U.S is most people don't pay attention to what is happening. And are more interested in entertainment than knowing what is happening and doing something about it. Many just don't care.
Todd Reeder
I bet that we do care, but we are maybe too distracted, too disorganized. Even google and TH-cam are suppressing videos and controlling search results. So these are some of the other issues!
YES we do want the oil. Our economy depends on it.
the BC red lines we see still isnt happening and hopefully never will, it has to go through a first nation reserve and they are refusing to let them through
***** you clearly don't know me well to suggest that.
preach brother...preach
Thank God we won the debate to not build this pipeline across America. We just had a major earthquake directly under the proposed Keystone pipeline route. The epicenter was in Pawnee Oklahoma and it would have been a disaster of catastrophic proportions. It would have flooded the ironically named 'Keystone' river and most of Tulsa Oklahoma with the dirtiest oil that man has ever made. I knew the earthquake would happen just not so soon. Absolutely amazing!
We not only saved the environment on a major scale but 1,000's of jobs for railroad workers, truck drivers, depot workers, mechanics, restaurant/cafe workers, road workers, & part suppliers.
All people with common sense, please keep saying not to keystone pipeline!
No that is not settled.
lawnewz.com/high-profile/native-american-protesters-face-dogs-pepper-spray-in-violent-clash-over-oil-pipeline/
didn't obama also denied those guys from building the pipelines?
... awesome .... thanks for the share
this is the engine of the Canadian economy, it keeps me, and many people I know, employed.More ought to be done to find cleaner, cheaper extraction methods, but to stop altogether would be disastrous for Canada, and probably also the world economy.
you are right
I agree with you but to continue has more harmful consequences for us and the next generation that will not be able to pay… This planet is in its death woes so we have to take a long hard look on how we can survive. But you know that's not going to happen so don't plan on having kids… Just about everyone knows our planet is heading towards extinction really fast
10 years later, this may be a sure way to make money but it doesn't look ethical at all.
sad, truly sad. we've become so addicted and wasteful of energy that we're willing to sacrifice the health and wellbeing of our future generations.
The sound seems to be corrupted on this and other Tar Sands or Pipeline films and I have been unable to post or share any films about this subject on Facebook. Why is that?
Also, First Nations communitis living around Lake Athabasca have never had problems with cancer, and the fish there have never had tumours the size of golf balls, before mining operations began in the Tar Sands.
Make Northern Alberta a LOTR theme park!!!
Come, visit Mordor! All they 'll have to do is build a big tower with a huge eye on it and make some orc and goblin costumes for the workers.
can I be Froto
I am proud of the dirty oil. I was working in a call center in Toronto with 13 dollar per hour wage. I moved to Alberta and within 2 years I am buying a BMW 3 series. Please burn the environment and bring jobs to Alberta cause rest of Canada sucks. Its extremely hard to get a professional job in rest of Canada. Without oil Canada would become poor.
Not to mention all this propaganda from eco-terrorists is 10 years old.
walperstyle is it the anti oil person that is referencing 10yr old info? Catch up! www.syncrude.ca we are the real deal!
Anyone ever hear of SagD?
SAGD is steam assisted gravity drainage... it is a process where steam is injected underground in the deeper oil sands deposits. The heat makes the oil flow into pipes that lead to the well head and supplied to the plant for processing. SAGD has minimal ground disturbance because the oil is deeper. Therefore the overburden is not removed as with mining and but instead well heads are rotated in positions on the surface throughout an area rather than stripping an area to get at the deeper oil sands deposits. Mining is not possible in most of the Oil Sands... SAGD allows the deeper oil to be extracted cost effectively with minimal disturbance.
www.cenovus.com/operations/technology/sagd.html
Love the really old footage.
This cannot be shown enough. Same relevance 10 years later.
11 years later and the world needs Canadian oil more than ever
Even if you disagree with this documentary you cannot disagree or discard the fact that we are causing environmental damage to our planet on a massive scale. We need to be going forward towards green energy not backwards towards a dirty conventional form...
Please only criticize when you know facts. Fact is that the areas mined could be subdivisions, or malls or golf courses and receive no criticism, yet these mines and the SAGD projects are all reclaimed to forests, marshes and wildlife habitat at the end of their rotating service lives... why are you not complaining to NYC about their 25 year reclamation plan?
Trevor Marr I see you are the designated troll on all these videos
Trevor Marr Yeah but how would you justify the water wastage, rare cancers being discovered in those areas, and the destruction of boreal forests?
Trevor Marr Our goal should be preservation and conservation. People are not going to heavily criticize the mining of an area that has already been degraded due to human development as much as they will an area that still has its natural integrity.
Micalah Spenrath Interesting. There is environmental degradation going on in Alberta, but there are also thousands of jobs being created because of it. One would argue that by "preservation" and "conservation" of the oil sands, Alberta's economy would suffer. Just wondering what your take is on it... do you think its worth it because of the revenue being made from exports?
The Pyramids and the Great Wall didn't destroy the environment while being built.
yeah but the project tho
Maybe
The land is put back as it was after the oil is extracted .The industry is actually responsible at doing this .Now let's look at those abandoned wind turbine farms or abandoned solar fields that leak toxic chemicals . Do some research before you pass judgement.
@@don-cw1yz that's supposed to be the plan, but is there any proof that the plans actually work? I hardly believe oil companies invest that heavily into returning the land back to its previous state.
@@SherlocckHolmez They actually do in the oil sands. The companies are committed to land repatriation. Think about it the world runs on fossil fuels. The amount of power generated by all the wind turbines, solar panels in the world is minuscule to the power generated by fossil fuels and coal. There is 80 trillion $ worth of oil in the oil sands. Coal can actually be used to generate electricity cleanly. In Saskatchewan Canada, you have the Boundry Dam project that actually reduces the harmful coal emissions by 98%. That is pretty impressive. With the oil sands, you have no exploration costs, which are very expensive, they know the oil is there. You will never have a Deepwater Horizon incident with the oil sands. The anti-fossil fuel organizations don't even like natural gas which is a clean-burning fuel. Natural gas is also a much superior heating source as compared to electric. I replaced my natural gas furnace last year. The new high-efficiency furnace is 98% efficient and uses DC power. So lower natural gas & power usage. Electric heat sucks. It is dry, spotty heat and very expensive. Canada has huge natural gas reserves. Why not use it?
Here is a video that says it better than I can:th-cam.com/video/rB1-USYa6GQ/w-d-xo.html
The tar sands cover an area the size of Scotland. That is big enough.
I don't believe anyone said anything about strip-mining or logging, but large portions of the environment are still being devastated. I don't think we will now the full extent of the damage done to the surrounding environment because of the provincial - and now federal - government's control over information regarding the tar sands.
As per the second question, compare a large two-floor house or a bungalow to a tiny shabby apartment. You might not like the apartment, but you have somewhere to sleep. Compare a three-course banquet with a chunk of bread or a bowl of rice. You might not like bread or rice, but you would not go hungry. So in determining the bare necessities for survival, everything else is just there to make you happy.
get rid of Saudi oil
How is that for a humongous irony? The dirtiness of the oil sands has caused a rise in emissions and therefore contributed to global warming in the turn contributing to the weather that fueled the massive fire that destroyed Fort McMurray
it was deadfall in the forest and dry conditions that fueled the fire...
I`ve never heard of humongous irony. If it was anything it would be closer to tragic irony. However, your uneducated approach to what you think is global warming but is in fact called climate change, is both horribly hypocritical and incredibly narrow minded. I`m actually amazed you managed to put that all together.
go fuck yourself. you ever been to fort mac? you seen the fuckin forests there? they are very easy to catch fire. I saw the aftermath when I went up there for restoration before the city reopened. not something that is ironic or to joke about you imbecile.
Hahaha. WOW. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Alberta's oil and gas industry more than doubles in size and wealth of any other Canadian industry, and the federal government will pocket around 1 trillion dollars from it over the next 25 years. We're responsible for around 0.1% of carbon emissions, and 90% of our water used to get the oil is recycled. We employ thousands of first nations as well.
And then we send eastern Canada tens of billions of dollars in transfer payments every year and all you ignorant losers can do is bitch at us. You dump 8 BILLION liters of your raw, toxic, carcinogenic sewage shit into the St. Lawrence and then try to block Energy East because it is bad for the "environment"
So I suggest if you don't like our oil industry then never drive, fly, or use anything that isn't made out of hemp plastic and go live in a cave and eat worms. Stop spewing your anti-Alberta environmentalist bullshit and get off your fucking high horse.
and a touch of man made fire! I find it odd how the fire started on about 5 separate fronts? I hope the investigations lead to Arson Charges!
well spoken Caper!
Sorry, my numbers were wrong.
In 2010, 51 per cent of the water used
by in situ oil sands was saline water from
deep underground zones, which is not
suitable for human or agricultural use.
By 2020, the in situ oil sands industry is
forecast to produce roughly 40 per cent
of Canada’s total crude oil (more than
1.6 million barrels of oil per day) but
will require less than 0.5 per cent
of Alberta’s current water allocation
if you've got any business experience at all and your not exactly looking for blue collar work but still interested in money, check out Edmonton, Alberta. fastest growing city in Canada and the most economic growth potential of any Canadian city. any trade, any business degree, we're looking for you.
Edmonton is always the best city to go to for work………… If Calgary says no to you :)
What a very deep pile of bloated lies.
Italian physicist and inventor Andrea Rossi has conducted a public demonstration of his "cold fusion" machine, the E-Cat, at the University of Bologna, showing that a small amount of input energy drives an unexplained reaction between atoms of hydrogen and nickel that leads to a large outpouring of energy, more than 10 times what was put in. Unlike in nuclear fission, the reaction doesn't give off dangerous radiation.
The cost of installing SOLAR ROOFTOPS and TESLA WALL MOUNT BATTERY is the same amount that the Canadian Government is collecting from the TARSANDS in taxes.
It's a shame that the actual truth isn't shown in this video. May untruths are evident in this video.
Yes this is just like ANY other construction site, or mine site, but in fact the land is reclaimed and revegetated, reforested after use! Google 'reclaimed oilsands land'!!! You can not even tell!!! We need to shut down the foreign funded eco lies!
Just because the land is "reclaimed", doesn't mean that it still isn't harmful to the environment, did you see those toxic ponds? those poor ducks? The oil sands refining sites spew out the equivalent of 1mil cars' emissions, this IS an issue, whether you like it or not.
Google "reclaimed oil sands land", the only positive links are those that are from the companies that support the oil sands, all the other links are actual evidence from researchers proving that the oil sands reclamation WON'T help, that the oil sands reclamation has been done very little.
You said, "You can not even tell", but the damage is done. These forests, wetlands, have been here for thousands of years, the balance of nature has been destroyed, the soil is dead, the area will never become the same.
These aren't "eco lies", these are the truth, oil sands DOES have an impact on the environment, oil sands DO need to be shut down.
This is horrible, I can't... I can't chose the words to describe people like this! I feel sick! But... the worst part.... the worst of all..... I can't do a thing about it :(
Oh, but there are lots of things you can do about it.
Example: www.defendourclimate.ca
I guess you are right! :) Those people are very inspiring!
awww boo hoo
Relax it's all good. 8 years later and the world needs Canadian oil.
Yah i know. The use of hemp has been around for years, its slowly coming back, being used in very few consumer products. petro chemicals are used today for the majority of products.
Lets also talk boreal forest. using techniques such as SAGD they are extracting oil from under the forest without strip mining it. (they also reclaim land as well when they are done). Its also hard NOT to log areas of the Boreal forest for ANY industry, since it covers 60% of canadas land mass. The Oillsands project is roughly 400km by 400km. Its actually smaller than the Roscoe Wind Farm in Texas. The wind farm is cleaner. but the land its on is still rendered otherwise useless.
Canada's Oilsands are NOT the dirtiest oil on the planet, they are EQUAL in carbon content to oil from California and Venezuela.
The USA already is consuming 3,000,000 barrels of day from the Canadian Oilsands. This is not a future prediction, this is a current fact. There is no disaster, but pipelines ARE safer than rail and anti pipeline eco fronts are stalling pipelines and ARE resulting in pipeline delays that result in old pipelines being used longer than they should be used resulting in leaks and damaged ecosystems, as well pipeline delays cause rail over dependence, causing rail accidents and deaths.
So the mantra of the modern eco movement causes increased enviromental damage and actually is killing people.
Forests are NOT cut all at once, the Oilsands operations are rotated through the region in increments, the mine is established and digs DOWN for 25 years, not outwards. Then it is reclaimed and reforested.
We have wildlife reserves, herds of buffalo... and how is the in-situ more damaging, it allow wildlife to inter mingle, we are a small population in a huge Country... that is the reason why we emit a larger amount of carbon per person per square km... so what?
Fort Chip cancer rates are proven to NOT be any different.
The natural run off from the Natural Oilsands is occuring NATURALLY in the watershed! The secret is dont drink the Natural runoff in the Oilsands area!!!
The FAKE crying at 9:38 AND 15:00 is turned on and off so quick... i have to remind you to drink Treated Water in the entire Oilsands watershed, because Water Naturally flows through the Oilsands deposits. The people living in this area need to drink treated water.
The carbon is NOT released all at once, it is developed yearly in small increments over 250 years... why is he not protesting the huge Carbon sink in the Middle East? Why is he only hurting responsible jobs in North America?
You are blaming people who do not allow new pipeline routes for the old ones leaking and causing damage. Why didn't the companies replace the old pipelines before they started using them? The companies are to blame for using pipelines they know are old and can leak or rupture. They could have removed the old pipes and installed new ones.
Actually FACTUALLY, the environmentalists are protesting the construction of NEW pipelines... therefore we have to keep using OLD ones that are past their best before date!
Morgan Schmidt Speaking of idiots...do you have a mirror? We need the oil...can you not get that in your head?
In the late 1800's farm equipment and automobiles ran on alcohol. In the early 1900's american vehicles ran on alcohol. Vehicles can be set to run on vegetable oil. Many things made from plastic can be made using peanut oil. There are lots of natural alternatives to oil. These alternatives have been suppressed by people like the rockefeller's who own the oil companies. We could greatly reduce the amount of petroleum oil we use by using natural oil and fuel. An alcohol and nature plant based oil spill is less harmful to the environment than an oil spill. It's all about power and money. John D. Rockefeller did everything he could to eliminate the competition in the oil business. He forced people out of business and bought up their business so he could be the only person selling oil. It's all about power and money.
the world runs on oil... and you think there will be no problem if the world ran on peanut butter? Give it a try!
Cue petro-company trolls & paid shills ...
there are so many fake supporters online that the idea of getting a glimpse at the general public's view online is ironic
im 22... in Alberta... wanna know what the oil industry has done for me? i own 2 house,a new vehicle, quad, and im saving for retirement. This video is in accurate. the oil industry is here to stay like it or not. so take advantage of it!
so glad you have a job in our economy. So glad you can provide for your family at times like these. The community just south of the tar sands are suffering from all forms of cancer. Not to mention the death of the environment, wildlife, water and air. Your argument would be better served if the canadian resources weren't being shipped off to other countries and used at home. How is your health, being exposed to all those chemicals, take care my fren.
We are all dead we just don't know it yet.
Its 2020 Bud, And theres something worse now, Which is The CORONA VIRUS BITCH!!!
Thank you President Obama for the XL veto!!!!
luckydoodle77 It's going into your country one way or the other, instead of a pipeline now you have truckers with an eighth grade education flying down the highway, much safer or via rail, also known for it's safety. Or alternatively you build the pipeline, create jobs & help the economy whilst improving safety and efficiency. It's really a no brain decision with a bit of rational thought. I like Obama, but he's bought the bullshit on XL, it's really to bad.
luckydoodle77 Yup instead of a pipeline its now being shipped via rail and transport trucks ! You idiots think it stopped something lol They actually have proved that by not having the approval the carbon foot print created is larger to transport it now ! The day an electric bus takes you to work or the day the majority of cars turn electric is the day you will c a difference !
Monty, the people living downstream live on a lake with HUGE uranium deposits bordering it. Ever think that may have something to do with it? Or maybe the fact that several of the rivers feeding that lake cut right through the oil sands deposits naturally, carrying bitumen into the lake they live on? With no human input of any kind I might add.
What is the cost and return on investment for building a water purification plant?
As a British Columbian all I have to say that if oil is so important to Albertans than you can ship it through your province, but it is NOT coming through ours. Thank you.
+S Martin wind, solar, nuclear or much cleaner oil drilled from the ground in texas or middle east?
keep on digging up the oil......we need it!!! Oh yes, and the world is going to blow up for sure according to these ding dongs!!!
go after China......they do not give a shit about the environment....get a grip....we need jobs, and this about National Security....if we don't take the oil, China is going to take every last drop.....and I do not want to be Chinese!!!!
STABLE? I hardly think so
@lord zilu good, fuck China
I hear you, brother, and feel the same way. And I apologize for drowning out your comment during our comment-war last night.
Cheers.
The number I got from another source was 400 years of oil at the tar sands. Those seem like awfully subjective numbers coming from an industry that depends on convincing its consumers there is nothing wrong with taking as much as you want. So it comes down to taking and selling as much as you can as quickly as you can, thereby becoming richer all at once, verses stretching that resource out as much as you can and making it last as long as you can, thereby ensuring the money will always be there.
I call bs. Those pictures were from the US's offshore oil spills. those exact birds. The energy is 1 million cars, but how much is one million cars really? and those arent greenhouse gases, that is water vapor from heating drill motors. Its called dirty oil for the sole reason that it needs to be refined. Those tailings ponds are nothing more than mud and rock shards, which cant hurt anyone unless you go swimming in it.And all the people saying the CEO's should burn should burn for being pissed after seeing one video and not doing any actual research. The flames were due to flaring, which is excess methane from the earth's crust, so it is burned because methane is 20x more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2.This is one biased video, and is outdated, as the Liberal government isn't in power anymore. they don't even have much of a say because of a majority Conservative government.
Oh and Bullying little people makes no sense. this is our land, and it is supposedly "hurting" it. The entirety of Alberta's economy is oil and gas. There is barely 5% of the population working in anything other than oil sands. We approve of this, because we all work in it, and it is paying our bills.
Jai Somaiya Your Point?
Mr.CookieCrumbz This is a bs "documentary"
well your point of view is right, it is really stupid
Jai Somaiya Jai, I agree with you 100% Those against the oil sands have no idea about the reality of the 2015 oil sands. This is 2015 and the term AGW now officially stands for Al Gore's Wrong!!!
With the current forest fire destroying Fort McMurray (the largest city in the region), you may want to tone down the rhetoric and vitriol. You can blame your coal fired electricity plants in Kentucky more for this than our oil production. It takes 2.5 barrels of water per barrel of oil sands oil (that is 18% less than stated). With full production, now almost 90% of water is being recycled, so new water use has fallen dramatically.
But going back to your blaming it on the people of Alberta, each time you use your electricity in Tennessee, each time you take a plane, every time you buy a cheap product from China (the largest coal consumer in history), you contributed to that fire. You contribute 55% more methane in the environment than the oil sands. China contributes 600% more.
Its easier to blame others for your problems than to fix your contribution to climate change. And while close to 80,000 people have fled their city, you could show some fucking compassion.
And this fire was ARSON! Is arson a result of higher CO2, or stupidity?
jeanbrunma+ Trading jobs and materialist prosperity for poisoning an ecosphere -- great trade-off.
And WHO gets to make that choice despite a majority in cautuious or dedicated opposition? And what-kind of moral, practical decision was it to go-ahead when environmental laws were routinely ignored, critical scientific information was repressed, facts about accidents and damning projections were obscured and covered-up, and false information painting a wonderful, happy face on how great this project is was fed to the public?
Because you want something, its OK to leave a disasterous legacy of catastrophe for future generations to endure and resolve as best they can? My, but aren't you practical and consciousness. An apologist for the corporate oligarchy you serve so faithfully.
Kiddo you have a long way to go. I have been in this business for 25 years and I know exactly what is going on here.
"Solar energy" actually applies to a broad range of solar energy-capturing strategies, the simplest being greenhouse windows which can - if used at a certain angle - can use sunlight to create a greenhouse effect.
Oil provides so many jobs to Alberta so I don't know why you guys are complaining
Its easier to spend your life working a low end job and complain from your high rent apartment or parents basement than it is to go out and make a difference like the men and women in the energy sector. Typical internet generation, all they do is complain.
The problem right now is that we've got a prime minister - and probably a good percentage of his administration - from Alberta who will say each province needs to be fiscally independent, and yet he can bring in as many human and non-human resources from ACROSS THE COUNTRY to help him work on his province's own projects, and as long as he continues to tell all other Canadians they NEED his province's oil, he's also got their money to help with the funding.
4) Fossil fuels are not as reliable because they are limited, and that is what makes them expensive. With renewable energy, You don't run a vehicle and drive it while it is capturing solar energy, the way they tried to do in the early 1990's. You capture and store the energy FIRST, then use it as electricity once you have enough stored up. The batteries used to power the device will run on stored energy initially, but then it operates on feedback energy that has been captured by the device.
When the first steam locomotive was made, people said going over 15 iles per hour would kill you. Same thing here, we need the oil for life and everything else is opinional.
Desalination through distillation does not remove all salt from sea water. You're still left with some salt in the water, just not a dangerous amount. Other methods of desalination can remove more salt but the only method that can remove it on a micro-scale is a relatively new technique invented in the University Of Texas in Austin, Texas. Regardless, if you tried any of these other techniques on oil-polluted water, you'd probably get an explosion since they involve electricity.
It's awesome. Continental Resources has just finalized acquisition of the Bakken. (Dec 23 or so).
Lake Athabasca isn't what produces the bitumen, though. In its natural state, bitumen exists in semi-solid form underground, which means there is no way it can get into the water of the Athabasca unless it's been melted beforehand through artificial methods and then released into the lake. What you see flowing into the lake is the remaining bitumen that cannot be obtained from the water once it has been used in the distillation process for refining the bitumen.
It's crazy to think industry cannot or should not be heavily regulated and monitored. It'll result in reduced profits for those in the top and the investor but if there's no choice, they'll still be in business.
Industry is not self-regulating; the only reason to be in business is to make money. How it's done isn't a concern as long as business makes money. the more the better.
As per energy production, would it surprise you to learn that some people have switched to solar panels for all of their energy needs and are quite comfortable with it? And I am not talking about pre-industrial farmhouses with no eectricity, either. You can power your lights, your cooking appliances, your television, even your computer with solar energy. In fact, this one guy I heard about is even selling surplus energy back to Ontario's Hydro One branch of Hydro Quebec.
I agree that greenhouse is a good use for solar energy, but I was referring more to the solar power generation usage. Solar power is one of the least efficient means of alternate energy for electricity production because of the massive amounts of mining and electricity needed for their manufacture. They produce significant GHG indirectly through manufacturing processes. They also take up large amounts of landmass, for a relatively small return.
This has very good perspectives and I believe people in power should support them
How much you wanna bet that it wasn't there before?
But as for the reclaimed land issue, I can't directly deny it because I haven't been there before personally. All I can do is point you to those who have.
The role of oil in Canada's economy was purely Stephen Harper's idea, even before the recession began. Alberta was always into mining for oil, and Harper is from Alberta. So one of the first things he does when he gets elected is invest in his province's primary energy industry. It was his decision to replace many of Canada's other exports and make it rely so much on oil, even when most of the rest of the country didn't need it.
3) Nothing is cheaper than sunlight, or wind. It's free. The technology isn't free, but it is a one-time payment. Compare the price of a solar panel to a gallon of oil. For as many gallons as it would take to equal the price of a solar panel, imagine those gallons being the only gallons of oil you would ever need. That is a LOT cheaper than continuing to buy oil.
I am a worker in the resource sector of western Canada, I agree that the environment cost of the resouce sector in all of western canada including all mining, forestry are key to the economy in western Canada is perhaps too high. This is due to demand the eco-alternatives are not viable on the scale to replace these resources.
Take a real look at what is derived from natural resourses around you can you really shut the world off.
Im not a supporter of this oil extraction, but your comment made me chuckle. Yes, let America apologize for shoveling billions of dollars into Canadas economy. Im sure they hated that part.
You hit the nail on the head ! We as consumers can do something else. But that is not going to happen fast. It will take years,decades to change that thought. Number 1 is vehicles. Fuel use is the biggest oil product of all. Anti oil advocates claim oil as evil but none of them drive a Prius. All these people want change in a greener direction but want that change to come 100% from a Government stand point for they are either 2 selfish or 2 ignorant or both to take effects them selfs !
The oil in this area is at the surface already. This area of Canada where the oil is naturally leaking into rivers and lakes should be cleaned up, the same as any other oil spill on earth should be cleaned up. Look to the archive photos if you want to see for yourself.
That's a natural process which wildlife is well adapted for and absolutely nothing even remotely similar to the level of discharge these industrial processes are putting out.
@@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ Wildlife that is adapted to oil ? Do you truly believe that ? Wow ??? Do you own nothing made from oil? Do you think we can all live without energy? How do you recommend we keep warm in winter? I hear the Saudi oil is clean. lol
If you have anything actually intelligent to say now would be the time to speak up because your comment without substance or direction is pitifully lame.
@@Johndozer Natural seeps have been occurring for millions of years. Guess what? - Life still exists in those areas.
Alberta only has 25 years worth of natural gas left to power Tar Sands operations. After that they intend to use nuclear power. A uranium mine is being planned 19 km from Fort Chip.
I'm not from Canada, but are you saying those toxic lakes don't exist or not actually that harmful?
ya im sorry about that i wish i could remember them. ill try to track them down for u
Myth 3: The oil sands are mostly owned by China and/or other foreign entities. Most profits do not remain in Canada.
But Canadian operators are still heavily represented with such companies as Suncor, Cenovus, Nexen and most of Syncrude. This article has a tally of which oil companies produce what. Canadian companies produce 57% of the total, Americans 30% and China only 2.2%, as of early 2011.
And by the way:
James Watt invented the steam engine which made it possible for machines to do work previously done by humans and animals. Mr. Watt used coal to make the steam to run his engine. In 1776, the first engines were installed and working in commercial enterprises.
Perhaps you should do a little reading?
I'll let other people who have been there, too, tell me about it. There are tar sands whistleblowers scattered all over TH-cam. What, are they wrong, too?
What a loyal and true company man you are ;)
This is just depressing, shame on you federal government! :(
And, yeah, I know people in Alberta are generally told that oil is all good and there is nothing bad about it, but the rest of us in Canada - and probably the U.S.A. too, by now - see it differently. We see a substance that can pollute aquatic and terrestrial ecosystems alike, that can be tricky to transport, that involves ravaging surrounding environments in order to obtain, and that can contribute rather heavily to global warming.
I'm not even sure if "ad hominem" really applies, but then you were the one who called it that. I didn't. I prefer to call it "entrapment" and I think it is very useful because it brings arguments to new levels. In effect, it progresses the argument. Particularly when you cannot see the rationality in the other person's point. So it also allows one to gain perspective.
5) Solar panels do not leak toxic chemicals. They are made of toxic chemicals. There is a difference; primarily, if you do not BUY them or USE them, then they are thrown away. THEN they become toxic. But it is really the same deal as is with computers and TV sets. We've got to find ways to clean that up, too, so it is just a matter of time before we figure out how to recycle the solar panels we currently use. Or we could invent other types of solar panels/solar energy-collecting technology.
You hear/read about the discovery with the algae? Apparently there are species of algae that can be used to split H2O molecules and produce hydrogen. They were working with this in Europe the last I heard.
see for me im life smart but school dumb i didnt have the grades to get into college or university. and how long it take u to pay that off? cuz at the jobs i was working at be for as like a landscaper or roofer $30,000 it would have been at the earliyiest 6 years before i could pay that off
I haven't seen any proof of these refillings you are talking about. Can you provide examples?
Well said !!!
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future" (2017).
2. Geothermal loops require for you to heat the water first. That would require another energy source to heat the water before you can use the tubes. Unless you used solar or some other form of renewable energy to heat the water (which isn't a bad idea), you would probably need to pay a regular sum of money to keep it going. You wanted fiscally viable, and the only way you can get that with geothermal by itself is if the water was preheated by volcanic activity of some sort.
Isn't there a way to filter the tails ponds?
Where's the money in that?
Read "WATER" by Marq de Villiers. Apparently some nations have more water stashed up than others do. Water can be cleaned to a certain degree, so you are partly right: eventually some pollutants we put into our water may get so bad we may need to find ways to desalinate our salt water. Until then, though, we will really need to keep our fresh water clean. Urine CAN be purified by adding certain chemicals, and since it has salt in it, we technically CAN already desalinate our salt water...
It's shameful what we're becoming;both Canada & humanity. Dirty oil is not necessary, yet it still grows because we let it. I'm tired of our government throwing away these issues & hiding all the behind-the-scenes shit they're doing. This isn't just something we can solve, for as long as their's demand we shall not succeed.
Did you even bother to read what I typed? The individual parts are manufactured. Not the whole thing. Heck, they sell this to rural villages in eastern Africa where people don't even have electricity, and it works just fine. I will repeat: the same kind of manufacturing that is done for solar panel components is done with other devices you probably would not want to live without.
There are other types of solar energy capture, too. Solar panels are the most well-known in North America, but the Brazillian government has invested in solar "towers" that can provide energy for whole towns. Even cities, possibly. For more on this and other ways to capture solar energy, read "Everything Under The Sun" by David Suzuki.
ed paul the history of the steam engine stretches back as far as the 1st century AD; the first recorded rudimentary steam engine being the aeolipile described by Hero of Alexandria.