Gamers... Get Ready For AI To Ban You
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As AI advances into the world of videogames, one angle that has magnified rather quickly, is AI designed to moderate "toxic behavior" at scale.
These systems (a program called "ToxMod" designed by a company called "Modulate") are being utilized now in Call of Duty, with larger databases being set up by the likes of Ubisoft, and Riot Games, to usher in an era of full scale AI surveillance and content moderation. Good? Bad? You decide.
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This is so bad specially given how biased A.i. can be made to behave. Chat GPT is the #1 example
This will just further segment people to the point you can’t make friends in online games anymore 😢 o well I guess no point in me buying that game now
when are gamers gonna revolt? why are we putting up with this? Lets start pirating games and use our own servers!
Went to download only to find I already have it installed.
Remember: a fully automated system will ban you _even if no one was actually offended_
Karen's will love it
Exactly that, passive moderation is the way to go! Not that dystopian BS
i remember how i got perma banned on reddit because i was fighting and arguing with other people on subredit made for fighting and arguing literally no one got offended because they asked for it
without any verification or proof. It is a system that does not have to retain anything to justify your ban. It is the very same kind of system as seen in LOL where people will spam " report the jungler, he is bad " and there videos from many games where this actually happened because of TWITCH.
Pretty soon they will see what it does to their player numbers. Since player numbers is the only metric they ever use to determine whether a title is successful or not, this will end up destroying the only metric they think is valuable.😄
I love how AI was generally seen as a horrible idea when it was discussed in TV shows, movies, most videogames, but the moment corporations start using it for profit, legitimate concerns about it are treated like a joke. When used by small, independant creators to fill in something they can't really afford to hire someone for, maybe voice acting, they're then demonized by big name creators for it.
*profit
@@wiseguise5960nope, they plan on resurecting our lord and savior through ai generated prayers, it's only the first phase
Capitalism dictates that everything is legal as long as it benefits large corporations.
@@zeal9442 Thats oligarchism
@@godhimself9396 They are two sides of the same coin.
I remember when COD didn't have "toxicity" moderation. We had this highly advanced technological tool called the mute button.
That or, we settled our disputes with a 1v1 on rust.
It was great, people would actually talk in game lobbies back then. I'm glad I don't play online games anymore, they seem boring.
Anti-toxicity team tells it all in itself.
Riot has already started doing AI bans in the League chat. People get banned for random shit like "Karma was the GOAT!" and get then it gets tagged as sarcasm. AI is both a joke and terrifying
Sarcasm is ban-able? Sheeesh, i'm in trouble...
@@R0d_1984 it wasn't even sarcasm, it was a genuine reaction of praise. HIs whole chat record was included and he was saying stuff like "nice play" and "winnable". It's legit bonkers
@@BouncingTribbles Let the lefties take over and it always turns out like the soviet union... Crazy is the new "normal"...
Yeah and the AI-based system already replaced the human-based Tribunal in ...2015, I think? So about 8 years now.
Pretty sure rampancy kicks in at year 7...
The scarier prospect is if 10 companies use the same liscensed a.i. will it recognize and attack you across multiple games/services?
Riot Games and Ubisoft already partnered for an AI content moderation database. The chances of it are very high.
@@UpperEchelon imagine this a.i. working with a multitude of companies noting you ate a user on multiple services. Then if you get flagged sending the warning to other affiliates. It's a disturbingly scary situation. Imagine if 1A protected activity gets you banned on multiple platforms via automated process
Oh hell yes.
@@clarissanavarro2762 N
Nothing a billion $ anti-cartel class action can't fix.
It's way worse than you think. I was hit with a ban in my first match after the AI was implemented. I was using colorful language to describe the playeres i was matched against to my GF who was sitting necxt to me. I received a prompt a few minutes later within the SAME match. On the 3rd day of my 3 day suspension i received a 14 day suspension under the same circumstances, even though i was muted due to already being suspended, and only party members could communicate with me. The AI monitors ALL chat within the game channels. So even talking smack to a friend or relative in a private session can be monitored and deemed offensive. This is just the beginning like you said... but way worse. Imagine how slippery the slope because if a Social Credit Score because a thing? Demolition Man was on to something!
"Trusted by Activision" My god what a horrible thing
Imagine a case where a kid uses video games as an escape from for parents that are constantly fighting but the ai picks up the sound of his parents yelling at each other and ban him from his place of escape.
Why is his mic that sensitive
@@ultimamage3lmao fr why is he in mic with parents shouting for teammates to hear
@@LXXVIIZONE Eeesh, you two both are showing your innocence. That sort of thing used to be quite common back in the CoD4/MW2 days.
@@chad_bro_chill maybe I just know if I had weird shit going on in the background I’d put it on mute and not let my team mates hear it but you right
@@LXXVIIZONE bruh you may not know but that shit was annoying as hell even back then. its not like no one told them lmao
Either people will completely stop using voice chat, or half the player base will get banned 😂
I haven't used my microphone in years but if I do decide to use it, it is scary knowing I could possibly be banned for raging out of fun
My wallet will ban them
Imagine getting banned for bad words when you are trashtalking a cheater😂 fml clown world
Yeah... I had used mine a few years ago but barely was way before covid era but haven't since then and never whatnot however I've just been out here feeling like a shadow, not showing my face or talking to anyone throw phone or camera (friend wise) only through messages due to not trusting anyway the consoles think and strict people along with a slight bit of paranoia.
Thanks a lot social media...
It pretty much already happened, the only games in which vc is still somewhat prominent are old games with barely any moderation besides giving the vote kick option
The eventual backlash to this nany-state insanity is going to be vicious. Nobody will lift a finger to defend these Karens.
AN AI CAN NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THEREFORE AN AI MUST NEVER MAKE A MODERATION DECISION
Lol it is too late 🎉🎉🎉
Yes, but regular moderators also can't be held accountable. Both are useless trash.
Unlike for example the forza moderators the ai may not prey on children like their edp445 and they see someone under the age of 14.
There's a reason people have the right to face their accuser. AI fundamentally violates that right.
Its just a nerd in a box anyways.
Think wizard of OZ and how there was a man in the machine.
Fake it till you make it hahaha.
I would literally never buy a game that censored me to this level. People need to stop giving these companies money.
Ill see you on the next CoD game that comes out
@mikenicholson1388 haven't play a new COD in years. I stopped with Black OPS 3. I'll go back and play the good CODs
Good luck with that. I'm sad to say most gamers are idiots or consumers, or both. Most will just chuck money at a game regardless.
@mikenicholson1388 No you won't lol
I think you are right. I know that when I was a teen I would have hated this kind of censorship, and would not have used any service this censorious. I hope kids can see what is at stake here, but have my doubts. My dream would be that we (gamers) all left COD en masse, and the company went under because of this. They should have gone under long ago because of their MTX bull, but this'll work too 😁
Banning toxic talking. That is as loose a definition as hatespeech. Me and my friends will be instabanned for how we joke woth eachother.
Maybe you should learn how to speak English before posting something on this channel.
Hatespeech is an illegitimate buzz word, there is only speech when we speak
me too
As soon as they realise they are going to be banning 50% of their userbase, they will walk this back.
@@pseudonayme7717 Why would they? Riot Games has been using AI to ban people for ages, and all they did over the years was to make the system more harsh and easier to trigger.
Any company with an "anti toxicity team" has too much damned money, and has lost the plot.
@@Gino_567 Toxicity in-game isn't an issue. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
@@kingofthezinger9777 An LMG, RPG's fiery blast,
With dead mans hand, sleight of Hand so fast,
I'm packing more heat than a Taco Bells dish,
Diarrhea farts, they'd be hard to miss.
@@Gino_567 They actually fixed it in 2007, with a feature called a mute button
Bans for saying bad things is never about fixing a problem, it's about making people who get offended feel good by punishing other people.
@@kingofthezinger9777 No, yours just sucked.
My only experience with AI moderation was getting a month-long ban on Facebook for a joke no one saw. I know no one saw it because I was banned literally the same second I hit send.
Seems like a great time for singleplayer gamers.
Those are falling apart too or being filled with in-game purchases as well
Baldurs gate begs to differ.
I couldn't agree more
Except these days you need an always online Internet connection to play single player. Modern gaming at its finest. Smh.
@@irishbob26 Yeah, but if you can only trust 2-3 AAA companies to put out decent single-player games you'll not be doing a lot of gaming... Larian Studios, FromSoft Games and CDPR are the only companies I currently have any trust in.
In Forza Horizon 5 I got a warning for "running cheat software on the client" figured out it was the Nvidia's overlay game filter (kinda like reshade but built into the driver). I reafhed out to support, gave them screenshots, log files, eventviewer logs, everything to prove that it was a false positive. These dudes literally tell me that the anti cheat is never wrong
Oh FFS
Are they Adeptus Mechanicus?!
Same happend to me multiple times. I even am getting strikes when not playing the game bro. The only way to play that game is really just to pirate and mod it so you can get your lost progress back every few weeks after they strike you again for literally no reason.
Funny thing is, the game is filled with cheaters that they do nothing about, kinda makes you wonder who those cheaters even are 🤔.
And I also provided them with everything short of a literal screen recording of the entire pc from start to end.
But to me they just said they don't care and since the computer did it they won't bother looking into it.
Just remember if you actually feel bad about yourself. Remember moderators exist the most useless and sad pieces of garbage to ever roam this universe.
What always worries me with all this being based on "hate speech" is that the term has no freaking concrete definition. It varies wildly and is often heavily biased. What I mean is that slurs against one race is deemed horrible, but slurs against another is either ignored or deemed not a slur at all; this isn't even touching on how some races can say horrible things about others but it isn't a problem apparently (like Blacks against Asians), but other races like Whites with single person towards any other singular person of a different race it is hate speech even if the insult has nothing to do with race (which the ADL is supporting of).
Good point. The real irony is the video game is about killing people and war. So killing good but speaking bad?
Basically any pro-White speach will be vaporized.
Hate speech isn't real
Just commies making words up to keep the masses divided.
There's even hate speech within a race specifically if they have a bad history together like the Chinese and Japanese.
Man, if only we had a "block" button or a "mute" button in online games. But no, we're forced to listen other people trash talk and we definitely don't have a button to stop that and we're so needing the AI to do something for us.
It won't work. My Alexa doesn't even know if I'm talking to it or if im saying "my legs are itchy"
😂😂
kinda dose in Valorant
If it's a machine learning AI then it's funny to think about the prospect of 15 to 20 employees sitting there hurling slurs at each other just so they can train the initial version.
Chances are they already collected the data they need from gamers.
Lets also not pretend like their not going to monitor literally everything anybody ever says (voice and text) as training data for their model. Its actually kinda genius in a Dr. Evil type of way, scraping the internet is getting dangerous now as people start to enforce copyright and social media now charges per API call so why not cram it into a video game and train the AI on a captive audience who have no choice and cannot do anything to stop it.
There's always a choice. Everyone has the choice to not purchase CoD. It's just that accountability is kryptonite to gamers.
I almost wish I could buy stock in Teamspeak right now.
...cause knowing Discord they're gonna implement something like this shortly thereafter.
I still fondly remember a time when severs were community-based and policed based upon that community's standard. Sadly, the first Modern Warfare 2 killed off the community server and we all just let it happen.
"Game devs.... Get ready to bend over and owe Unity millions if you succeed" should be a video on this channel.
Unity is trying to screw over devs by charging them 20 cents per install, reinstall, second device, pirated copy if they reach a download limit, retroactively. If you hit that limit even on your free game you'll get charged at least $40k. Some devs on TH-cam who do game jams and release free games could owe millions. One tutorial maker alone is set to owe about 5.5 million over free games made during tutorials.
I have the "indie spotlight series" so yes, i will 100% be talking about Unity. Their decision is horrible for real creatives.
@@UpperEchelon This decision is baffling, to shoot themselves in the foot. I decided to learn Unity recently, big mistake and a waste of my time, i should have just stuck with Godot but i wanted to "try something new". Now i'm starting from scratch in Godot anyways and just wasted several weeks of my life on s super sneaky rug pull.
Thanks for covering it, this needs to be called out. But even if they do back down, i'm never using it again, about as trustworthy as a Logan Paul NFT rugpull 'game' lol.
@@rustymustard7798To be honest, they didn’t even just shoot themselves in the foot. They blew the foot clean off with how stupid it is. They’re basically going to piss off all sorts of corners of the industry given how many companies and indie devs have used unity
This really pissed me off when I first heard about it too. Guess some worthless twat at Unity needed to be able to afford their coke habit or something.
time to spam dl unity titles from bad major devs.
... so we're basically just going to get separate voice chat apps again, and people will mute the ingame voice chats. Teamspeak resurgence when?
Don't worry. The same Sh-t will be used on Discord and the like
@@angrynapolean3820guildeds pretty good
soon and its for the best at this point
@@angrynapolean3820 pretty sure signal wouldn't do that shit tho
Even in games the pressure to conform becomes pervasive. Free speech is worth the effort because of what emerges from it. Let people decide for themselves their own code of conduct.
The only rules should be against cheating any and all restrictions on speech are a proven slippery slope and not worth even entertaining a discussion about.
Bold of us to think they weren't already implementing this and only announcing it now. Has anyone ever talked to a real person when disputing a ban? Or did they send a copy paste canned response that could've been sent by some lines of code?
Always a r€tard3d copy and paste that has 0 content of anything discussed by me.
I got banned for apparently a running a cheat program on fh5 ( it was probably porrofessor which is just a LOL overlay). And I always got brain dead takes. But I don't doubt who ever works at playground games has severe brain damage.
I imagine that in the old mw2 times, like the game would be dead, zero people allowed to play 😂😂
Same with BF and CSGO etc...
For me, it's not even about the accuracy of the AI. The idea that you have a robot "hall monitor" watching your conversations, ready to smack you as soon as you trash talk in a competitive environment encourages everyone to either act like goody two-shoes people who only exist in Disney films or to turn off their mic entirely and have a 'social' game where nobody talks.
My former company became like that. We had to prove “not using AI” against AI accusations of “using AI” when generating content intending to appeal to AI/SEO.
The higher ups assumed AI was correct because they couldn’t understand the difference, so we kept getting dinged until we quit.
Or a third-party app like Discord (not Discord itself since it's literal trash) functionality.
Wanna know how to end this? Start doing what has to be done. Vote with your wallet and stop buying products containing what you find undesirable. Be it this, DRM, or anything else.
I mean considering that there have been examples of women hearing some absolutely godawful trash talk, the idea is that some automation to really hit those kinds of people would be nice. For instance, if a lady's hearing rape threats, it'd be great if she could just say "hey, AI, are you getting all this?" instead of first getting support when posting to social media.
But, your comment isn't completely devoid of the truth. For instance, in pro play, it's generally considered bad manners to talk to the opponent at all until you type "gg" aka "I surrender".
If verbal communication is a must in a type of game, well, there needs to be a way to make sure that certain community members (E.G. ladies) don't face rape threats or incredible toxicity.
The settings on the bot can most likely be tuned to let certain types of speech through the filter.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoWell yeah that would be one way, but people will just shrug their shoulders and buy the games anyway.
And as a Naive person what i thought about AI's potential in games was like i Imagined an AI that creates Quets, Weapons, Worlds to player's desire in seemingly endless ways.
What a fool i was.
The people for it never consider that it can be used against them.
"We're not coming for your trash talk" they said.
I see thesaurus purchases going through the roof. ^^;
"Nobody's coming for your games/anime/movies/whatever hobby" as soon as someone says that, that's the sign that you need to gatekeep them the fuck out, alas, too late now.
Considering that ban-happy moderators have removed people for simply being negative about something, not even "toxic"; we know that this can be abused.
Any game that gets this will not be worth playing honesty.
So far Riot Games, Ubisoft, and Activision Blizzard are going down the road. The list will get bigger fast.
@@UpperEchelon It'll be the end of MMOs. And Online Games.
@@MuffHamSingle player here I come
It creates an open market for indies to fill. Wanna talk shit? come play our game!
I already abandoned almost all the games produced by such companies, I already don't interact anymore with online gamechat because how pissy they get on speech, gamers deserve everything they allow @@UpperEchelon
In other words, "We are going to use AI to train you what speech we don't like and when you complain we deny that we are chilling free speech and will blame it on the AI."
The moment they did more than provide a mute/block button, they did too much. This is just another step on the ladder of obnoxious experience curating. These companies won't even allow us to have real, dynamic interactions anymore.
In case nobody noticed, Blizzard has already been doing this for the past few months. I've seen a lot of complaints on reddit lately of random users getting banned and the responses they always get seem written by an AI, always saying things that don't exist in the game or coming out in a future patch when it came out years ago, or saying certain classes are cheating just by using the spells in their spell book. These AI's make a lot of mistakes and moderation should never be handled by them.
Moderators aren’t much better.
I got a weeks steam ban when bird flu was the latest at the time scaremongering end of the world, for wanting the character Sazh of FF13 to get bird-flu from the chocobo living in his hair.
‘Hate speech’ towards a fictional character. 🤷🏻♀️
That was 2014.
Blizzard and Riot are slowing bleeding money, resourses, players and respect so I just see all of this as a way to force in change to the industry with what little power they have left to moderate and change the customer base to suit what they think good sheep should act. Both companies got away this through yes men posing as real gamers who want video games to be safe spaces instead of pure anarchy which multiplayer is best at. If they don't want us to have fun then why play the game especially when the next-gen graphics of today look overwhelmingly complicated and take time away from gameplay and the overall feeling of the game to look shiny and new instead of fun
@@christinaedwards5084 hate speech towards a fictional character... this is the world we live in now??
@@Astrothunder_ that was back in 2014,
my point was moderators are just as bad, their personal feelings get in the way of them moderating fairly and justly and correctly.
Their job is to keep porn and money scams away. Not police people.
i can say from experience Valorant has some form of it already
I swear, we need a legitimate Gamers rights movement.
It's over. You lost because you let them take an inch until they took miles. Most gamers said "I don't mind if they ban hate speech". Sorry but you were warned by the "racists" they wouldn't stop and here we are. No sympathy for any of you.
Gaming is not a right, it's a privilege, even more so if you are using someone else's "ball"
We genuinely need GamerGate 2.0, except it's the shitty companies that need slamming and bashing instead of urinalists.
@@HansKlopek It's the same shit every time, when you complain about bullshit gaymers say you're overreacting, while not realizing slippery slope is a thing. To quote RGE, they get the industry they deserve.
Gaming is a luxury not a human right not going to happen untill
Thankfully this is happening at the same time that single player RPGs are coming back into style
Ah yes I remember the whole we don’t have an automated ban system and now they went way past that and have ai ban system.
I'm assuming we'll also get the Unity Debacle of Unity wanting to charge per install because the CEO of Unity is literally a former EA exec and it f-ing shows.
This piece of info needs to get out. I recently started with Unity, now i regret wasting my time instead of just using open source tools. Logan Paul would be proud of their massive rugpull lol.
@@rustymustard7798 open source is the way, sure at the start it's a slog but over time there's basically no limit to it's potential
@@captainawesome12345a game engine
@@rustymustard7798switch to unreal.
I can see a new golden age of Piracy is coming soon, not just for single player games. I can see a big return of Private Servers and those big corpos will start whining about piracy again, especially when these servers are located in China, Mongolia, Iran, or even North Korea and Afghanistan where there is little they can do about them.
I've seen this type of thing happen in other games with overzealous chat censors where people get creative with their word choice. I.E looking up every synonym for a word and using that instead.
You get some rather unique messages when people start using orbs in place of eyes or banner for tail.
Thesaurus speak is a hell of a thing.
You Pempsliding Frusking Clunge. Always pays to have your own swearwords in your friend circle. 😁
or replacing letters with ones from a different language (like replacing an u with an ù or a i with a ì)
This is literally TH-cam comments for me lol. You need to be creative because you know it'll be hidden if you don't
Pretty much the same thing that's happened through all of history.
ban a word, people just start using another one till the censors ban that one.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
It does have the advantage of building one's vocabulary.
Sesquipedalian Locuaciousness!
XD
I wonder how this will work in Australia. It's culturally the norm to swear, American companies who want to do business here shouldn't dictate what goes on here.
This is the one and only way to truly stop cheaters for good as AI could detect inhuman movement/reaction. But my 1 true concern is false bans, imagine betting falsely banned but the devs heads are stuck so far up their ass they refuse to unban you because "ai could never be wrong, you had to be cheating"
also I really dont get the whole "never allow online arguments ever" thing devs are on. People already take less now more than ever in online gaming, but imagine the wasteland online chat will be because people are afraid of the AI overlord chat bot banning them for calling someone a naughty word
yea but false bans already happen from anti cheat software. I remembr Punkbuster banned me from BF3 like 6 years back even though I have never cheated on any game nor do I (to my knowledge) have files that would falsely read as cheats. I reached out to EA support who then shuffled me to Punkbuster support who then told me once you are banned you cant be unbanned or some crap. No double checking or anything. So once the ai anti cheat comes in its just gonna be the same shit different toilet.
I still remember when they rolled out one active chat moderation AI in a game which made it so spanish speakers couldnt describe a black object without getting flagged. This is gonna go great!
Ah yes
That one crayon
XD
And Japanese can't say RUN
XD
Mandarin speakers can't say "that one"
I seen this coming from a mile away. It wont be just games of course, anything people wanted to regulate but couldn't realistically due to the manpower needed will get its own AI overlord.
its the future social carbon credit score over seen and applied by Ai.. this is the tech that will be used across society
Its already real in China, how else are they gonna monitor 1.4 billion people?
I’m never shocked to hear things like this… this programming is a direct avenue to bankruptcy… every single company that spends this much time… this many resources on punishing the consumer always loses… every single time. This never works out for the corporation. Yet… they all go down this same exact path… oh well… people will simply stop playing the game. It’s what always happens And always will happen
If you though the public lobbies were empty due to party chat, this is the nail.
I love playing old games where everyone is super 'toxic,' slings every word you can't say and are often edgy assholes. I mean it legitimately. People deal with it on their own and it is far more satisfying to kick someone from a game who's spamming slurs while they rage out at you than having them banned from a platform.
team fortress 2 is the only online FPS i play
I'm not into online play at all and the reason for that is shouty, idiotic 13 year olds screaming in their mics. I tried it for a year or two, it's not for me. I played some online games without the mic and the experience is just much better. I do agree with your sentiment though, to each his own and people should be free to make fools of themselves if they so wish.
Competition brings out the beast in us all. It isn't who we truly are, but what we are when unconstrained by the rules of society.
Rust gives me this experience. Feels like the last bastion of free speech in gaming.
Same, jar way better and more real. Everything is so sterile and boring now
The obvious solution is for people like UE to report on this BS (tip o' the hat to UE), and for us to then use this information to stop buying this company's business until and unless they stop doing this.
I'm sorry but these big companies can go forever without receiving money from us. They are not accountable to consumers. They are propaganda vehicles at this point like most media and will be supported forever by certain groups investing more money if they are ever in trouble.
Or if you want to play games, just play games offline. Or on systems that are not constantly connected to internet. 10,000's of old games to play that require no internet. If you haven't played them all, there's no reason to boot up the latest MMORPG or whatever... I'd like to see AI ban me from playing my Game Boy!
just stop supporting them permanently. when an entity shows you who they are, trust them. and then trust them to be true to their nature.
"... until and unless they stop doing this."
By all means boycott it's an admirable thing to do but if you actually wanna stop these evil practices you're gonna have to outlaw it or press charges if it already is illegal which it probably is TBH. The overwhelming majority of profit comes from whales who are addicted to the microtransactions ergo they're never gonna stop. IIRC it's more than 90% of the profit so the amount of people that would have to boycott the company in order to actually hurt the business enough to actually reverse course is impossibly high so if you're after results rather than personal principles your only options are to leverage state power to stop it.
Its funny how Activision can't get their employees to talk to each like people but forcing their fanbase to.
It’s not just flawed automatic speech recognition and high word error rates that should be concerning. They’re not using simple word or phrase filters. Various companies have been pushing to get machine learning that learns what even is “toxic” speech. So you have multiple AI models at play. We’re not just going to see flawed word recognition, but also flawed context recognition. Yeah, there’s definitely going to be some super obvious things. But also, there is no functional AI to date that picks up on cultural nuance, friend group dynamics, and so on.
A couple years ago EA said nobody plays single player games anymore. Now activision seems like it doesn’t care if they single-handedly kill multiplayer games. What goes around comes around i suppose :/
Hahaha, I only play single player games.
By nobody they mean less than 5 billion zoomers
No i don't think this will happen people have accepted this in Valorant already gamers keep accepting garbage as the norm.
I believe the term "Orwellian" is very fitting here.
What's the phrase? " 1984 was a _warning,_ not an _instruction manual!_ "
You know what was happening to gaming in 1984
Completely over the top for these clown companies. Best to turn off any in game chats and use other services to chat. Thanks to them for making playing games less social than ever! This is why AAA companies need us to not give them any additional money.
Time to bring back old school offline lan parties. Get together with friends and have multiple systems or monitors linked together. Just so we can call each other horrible names 😌
you can pretend to shoot each other, but don't you dare say mean things to each other.
So... an AI-powered "hate speech" detector to monitor voice chat in their games, that will ban any use of profanity, no matter the context.
Wonder how this will affect gamers with Tourette's syndrome?
99% of Tourette’s sufferers don’t actually swear.
Whistles, whoops. That kinda thing
They will have to acquire the Tourette's dlc (sold for 17 dollars)
That matters little to the neon haired Communists who run the major game companies.
Honestly they’ll end up banning so many people that they destroy their own product.
Wonder how this would affect African Americans not because of racism or something but I want too see the instant salt and hypocrisy
Feels good being a primarily single player gamer
It is but i have a premonition we still get fucked somehow
sooner or later a judge is going to say that losing access to a product will require refunds and this shit will stop.
Tomorrow, our appliances will listen to us. God forbid we make a joke that hurts the feelings of anyone, we will be banned from using our fridge.
I cannot understand why anyone thinks the "Internet of Things" is anything other than a tool of complete oppression by the state and corporations
@@thesenate1844 well it's simple, it's based on the idea that if you are cautious, you're a paranoid and maybe a conspirationist. Because tech is progress, always, zuck and Musk said so, so it's true !
I was already perma'd from Origin completely for chat. Still can't believe trashtalk is now on the same scale as blatant cheating.
This is the first thought I had: the games will be rife with cheaters, which their magic system cant or wont detect, and you will get banned for calling them out.
"Muh hate speech and toxic behavior".
- Far-left sophists
@@Dat_Jonx How am I the problem when I agree with you? I was mocking the concepts of "hate speech" and "toxic behavior" and the people who believe they exist.
I've since edited to make it clearer what I meant.
@@1685Violinsorry for misunderstanding.
believe it gamers keep accepting garbage norms when we should gatekeep are hobbies and the communities we are in
During the beta-run, they are inevitably going to find that getting rid of that key filtering step where an actual human player has to get offended enough to bother complaining gets them inundated with nonsense alerts. At that point, this will go one of two ways: either they drop this terrible idea and get rid of the AI, or they do what you predict and fully automate the process. If they do the second, the AI will inevitably start banning so many players that it will destroy the business.
Destroy the business? Good. Now that I think about it, it's a good way to protest this nonsense.
Imagine Speed gets banned because of violent behavior and when he complains, a bot is sent to rehabilitate him *physically*
Well, good thing I stopped playing CoD a decade ago
Riot Gamesa and Ubisoft are collaborating to build a database for the same exact thing. Its coming. (to all of gaming)
@@UpperEchelonRiot's own humans can't even figure out what's toxic behavior even when someone sticks their nose into a player's match history. I'd love to see them try to train an AI to detect something their own employees can't.
@@TheAndroidNextDoor THEY dont train the AI... the fucking ADL will. Have fun. Pirating games is our only option at that point.
@@deusvermiculus1072maybe, but if the program is tried to their back end and not the game itself, what can you do then?
@@kvjbreaker7054more "thurough" pirating. meaning that you crack the net-code and allow people to create their own servers to play on.
I do think though, that many Indie developers will specifically try to cater to the people that do not want this cencorship.
Japanese dude-"Runaway!!!"
ban
One of the difference you either missed, or ignored, is how Ai generated offenses can present the 5, 10, 20 second clip immediately to the human moderator for review. A support person would have to take a user generated report, and then scan however long to find the offensive language, depending on how long after it occurred the report was created, and how accurate (time wise) a human being could think back.
Can't speak for accuracy (I agree with you there) but I think AI assistance would be beneficial.
I was playing cod with a random, he called the enemy the word maggot with an f (lol I even have to censor it here), after a few seconds he said he got a warning about being banned for hate speech. That was actually pretty chilling to think about.
so many games will be void of players within an hour
I highly doubt that dude. Why? Cause everyone will fight back by using other methods of communication via Xbox/PSN Party Chats, Discords, etc. etc. nobody will ever use In-Game Lobby Chats ever again so lobbies will just be completely silent.
@@ResidentRecon89 pa Valorant dose this with text chat i have seen my friends chat banned while in match
“WE won’t ban you…
A unthinking, uncaring algorithm will do that for us. Guilt free.”
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🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Thanks for the update and your excellent views.
There seems to be a very easy way around this AI. Third party chat services. Discord, Snapchat, signal etc. Yes it’s harder to find ppl to squad up (or at least you will use another third party app for this) but at least you get to dodge the ban hammer.
What will be really wild is when they get these types of tools to watch how you play the game and take action if you do anything they don't like *inside the game.* Single player or multi-player, it won't matter.
Hey nice idea!
I remember when Larian Studios secretly collected data on player's decisions in their game Dragon Commander to build a spreadsheet of all the political decisions the players made. Considering that even singleplayer games today are able to now send data on what you are doing in the game to friends, the surveillance of players even in singleplayer environments is already there.
This tool would be nice if it was programmed against cheaters.
Unplug Ethernet cable/play older games. Though I guess eventually we will be forced to go outside to escape this shit
@@Skylartk Some crafty devs might make it collect data even when offline and then when internet is re-established it sends the player's data to the server for analysis by who or whatever. Some games on platforms like Steam already do this, but as far as I know it only involves things like achievement unlocking.
i foresee a huge issue with people paying for games and getting banned like this. people will just stop buying games that do this. hopefully.
Yup I am just not going to play Activision blizzard games anymore. See easy. I got payday 3 to play
People seem to accept it in Riot games my friends want to keep playing Valorant even tho they do this with text chat
@@revan5293yes payday 3 the game that never does anything like this. They certainly never deleted criticism, and they most certainly never delete and block post when certain people are mentioned in the post...
They only need to hook a few whales to turn record profits even if they lose a majority of their playerbase. This ends when the practice is outlawed and nothing short of that will stop it. That's not to say you shouldn't boycott just that if it's results your after your gonna have to use lawfare the market failure that is the Whale economy cannot be fixed by voting with one's wallet unfortunately.
We just gonna have to wait and see if this is going to happen or not and great video man :]
All those COD trolling videos with absolutely piss-drunk toxic voice chat was the bomb. I miss those days lol
Singleplayer chads, we eating good
The worst thing is, trash talking In online competitive gaming can very well be a part of the game (there are instances where It gets too much ofc) but cmon like, why should someone take it personal when someone says something about your mother In voice chat.
What this new system is doing is censoring fun banter between opposing teams In a competitive scenario.
I just lived for when someone called me the N word, and then winning over them In a match. Like "whats up, whats up" Can't we really just have a safe space to relax and not think about everything we say and do for a sec
My biggest gripe isn't even the AI. It's this ridiculous effort to "end toxicity" in online gaming. Whenever games enact strict rules around toxicity, everyone just becomes a passive-aggressive d-bag. They just insult you in less obvious ways to skirt the censors and hope you talk smack so they can report and ban you. It's the ultimate form of trolling.
I'm so tired of games trying to mollycoddle us. Mute buttons exist. You will NEVER solve toxicity. Stop trying. I wanna go back to the days where everyone was free to talk smack as long as they could take the heat.
Ask yo mom for a pacifier, she should not let 7 year olds use internet.
and people wonder why a LOT of us have been saying "games as a service" is a fucking terrible idea. This is just ONE reason why.
We are moving closer and closer to a dystopian future.
First our games then real life maybe.
Gibson, Dick, and Pondsmith were right.
We've been there.
We are already in it...
@@danteshollowedgrounds Both are happening simultaneously, if you've been paying attention.
Oh great so now it means that languages that have a culture of casually using swears or insults in a friendly manner, as well as trash talking, will probably be indiscriminately targeted and shot down by a bot that doesn't have any sort of knowledge besides what people feed into it, which can be extremely biased. Here's an example, I'm brazilian, I swear a lot during voice chat, INCLUDING in normal chit chat. So with this I could open my mouth and then face the lobby screen again after being banned by a stupid bot. ActiBlizz and AIbros at its stupidiest as usual.
"Kill the monkey, kill the monkey!!!!"
MainMercy about killing Winston in Overwatch 2 voice chat, 3 seconds before being banned.
The slippery slope is more like a water slide.
Fun fact Riot and Bungie were already using AI to gather this info years ago. Riot did have manual review whereas Bungie did not.
Remember the terminator movie? Skynets coming guys...
There is no reason to "moderate" player chat any more then there is phone calls or mail. Just give people the ability to block people they don't get along with, and leave it be.
Honestly I think I'd take dealing with toxic buttholes online over AI listening and moderating my every word online
As a game dev can we expect you to cover the Unity insanity thats happening right now? Cause seriously youre our number 1 journalist we can trust to cover and detail in any kind of news. It would be a help in our community as well.
I feel for the studios. It wouldn't be hard to have a vm running a script to keep uninstalling/reinstalling a game to hurt a studio they don't like. And installing software over and over isn't a crime. So what happens then. Unity is opening a scary door.
What's that about?
@@animeking1357Unity is now adding “runtime fees” for things as simple as when a user installs your game - now if you’re successful enough you’ll soon enough get charged for it. There’s more to it, but safe to say the industry is PISSED.
@@animeking1357 Every time someone downloads a game made on Unity engine, the company that made the game has to pay a fee to Unity
@@animeking1357 sum up version is Unity want to charge studios for every install/reinstall (even pirate version) download Unity engine games affecting both big and small studio.
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.
John Spartan: [grabbing the tickets] So much for the seashells. See you in a few minutes.
-Demolition Man (1993)
Thanks to AI Orwell's 1984 vision can be implemented literally.
Movement is being championed by Activision, Riot, and Ubisoft, already the most beloved names in gaming.
"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"
is LOST on these newer generations.
It’s not even lost on newer generations. I’ve seen newer generations joke about unhinged shit that older people would consider too far. It’s corporations acting like they need to play babysitter for a bunch of people that know what they’re getting into. They only do it to protect their reputation, they don’t care about the people at all.
With Folded Hands was published in 1947 and apparently someone at Activision read it and thought it was an instruction manual rather than a warning.
I have directly experienced TH-cam apparently use AI to "curate" my comments. That is, sometimes hold the posting for a minute or more, or to remove it.
I have learned to be more careful with my language, so hardly ever see it now, but I definitely saw this happen faster than a human could react
Keep getting 24 hour bans because I won't censor my words it's now escalated to threats of killing my account for repeated violations of hate speech my response to screw tube go fuxtrot yourself
I'm so glad i got off of cod years ago. It's not the same anymore and now it's turned into a dystopian nightmare.
I feel like gamings best days are behind us and this just gives me another reason to put them down for good and focus on my career and myself.
Might get an emulator to play old single player games though.
Yeah, just play old stuff and indie. Nothing else can really compare.
Yup, since gaming became mainstream the quality has been diluted for a more casual mass market demographic on the whole. With the influx of more money studio's have become corporate entities run by suits and the marketing department, Todd Howard springs to mind, CDPR also went that way, let's face it :(. There will always be smaller studio's willing to take bigger risks though, some of which will still break into the mass market, a fine recent example being Larian Studios.
I think the last years of proper freedom is happening now... in the next 20 years our societies will be completely different our tech... our privacy was already gone once we digitized... now it's straight up for sale... 😂🤣 Good luck... May the Emperor Watch over all of you.
Growing up is hard, but the future demands your attention.
The Steam Deco has been great for emulation and indie games.
This looks like a good time to take up outdoor activies like fishing or hunting. Where you can say and do as you please without being banned from A.I. For now.
Pick up martial arts to beat the crap out of these over-socialised pieces of shit.
AAA game dev hunting.
#UpperEchelon - No kidding, bro: Yesterday, in a developer's Discord server, I copy pasta part of my "suggestions / ideas" message to give them my feedback on their game... guess what? The A.I. warned me it would ban me for repeating myself in the channel... BECAUSE I COPY PASTA ONCE...