It’s so interesting that you said in the real world, daishun’s situation would probably end up in one blocking another bc dai said the same too. He said if they had met in the real world, it probably would not have worked out bc he was afraid of being hurt in love. And that he most likely would have not pursued it further. But being in the house made him face the situation head on. It seems like a very fateful encounter tbh. Good for them
Right! I definitely noticed that when he got upset with Ikuo. He wouldn't have acted so strong if it was Shun instead, because that's the difference between friendship and romantic attraction. I think it's romantic that Dai is gentler with Shun than everyone else 💗💗
100% disagree that Dai was nasty. I don't think he was disrespectful to anyone. Even when Ikuo tried to interfere with the issue between Dai and Shun, I felt that Dai handled it in an adult manner.
Yes! Dai was my favorite. Why anyone would say that about him is not dealing in reality. The nasty one was Shun in the way he treated Dai. I would have left Shun’s ass in the dirt a long time ago.
@@kuroneko7022 It appears many people see Shun as attractive however, he comes off as too feminine/passive to me where Dai seems more in-tune with his emotions/wants. When Dai smiles at you, it is hard to say no to his wishes. Dai has that manly energy that another manly male would find attractive.
Dai was quite cool, and Shun isn't evil, but if your gay and have dating experience you realize all to well of the tramas that your fellow gays be carrying around and lobing on your lap. I see a lot of teenage me in Shun. I'm adopted, had abandonment, darker tramas, and imposter syndrome in a Christian family dynamic. I was a absolute pain till maybe 21. Started drinking, dating, partying. Met an old guy thar just told me I need to not date again until I'm not a mess, and being all depressed and negative. I took his advice and realized I was mature in everyday but interpersonal relationships. So I re-examined the interaction I had with random dates, my one boyfriend, and friends. I'm no longer do self depreciating jokes at all times, I don't do down talk with my friends were we are focused on the bad. I don't want to help my friends stay in a bad place. I listen to their struggles and I talk up the plans, goals, and dreams they have shared and make sure they know I'm serious about the ideas I think are pure gold. I try to still share the bare minimum if I'm down in energy since I recognize my friends are capable of some support and not sharing just hurts the relationship, but I don't let it stay on me. Basically I'm trying to actively and healthily criticize myself and change. I haven't dated again in 8 years because I want to be solid on my own, and not some mess to comfort and be emotionally manipulated. Like how Shun kept testing his limits to see if he would give up. My first bf was a lot like Dai actually. Younger than me by 2 years (20 I was 22), out going, very high spirit, more feminine in my opinion and I then realized my attraction to masculinity was from insecurities from growing up in a very repressive state in the south. I learned a lot, and now know what I want in a relationship and that I need stability first. Sorry I'm drinking and chatty *I just lost the game
@@kuroneko7022 than thank God you are not dai coz dai is a human who can empathy and love and fight for his love and now he getting everything coz shun loves him so much.. You better go love and hype ppl in book coz they are perfect 🥴
A lot of fans have been hoping For Usak and Kazuto to make a connection after the show, I have to admit even I found them really cute together as well. I've seen fans comparing everybody's social media and watching who post what, when and where, so It has definitely found it's BL fan base but a lot of gays here in the west like myself find it wholesome and refreshing from what we usually see of gay men on reality tv.
This!! The emphasis on the emotional connections and their friendships as a whole was so satisfying in a way we just don't find in reality TV nowadays.
What I loved most about the show was the way the guys spoke to each other. I dont know if its the translation, but it all seemed very emotional and kinda poetic. I dont know anyone here in europe who speaks that way.
It is not reality show. It is scripted BL drama in the storylie of reality show. even there were so many camera angles when they were supposed to talk privately on beach
I love the discussions you had about how accurate the gay representation was in the show and how the Japanese dating culture differs from the West. I think Sai also made a great point mentioning that there's also an unknown hidden population of Japanese gay community that's more into quite life and not everyone is into an open relationship. Really enjoyed this review, it definitely made me understand the members/show better coz I feel like while watching, we're missing a lot of context so it's good to hear some perspectives from someone with a Japanese background or experience.
Sorry, Andrew, I totally disagree with showing more explicit things about gay life. Straight people have shows that have more sexual things and shows that are more reserved. Why do we have to have the only show turn into something explicit? That's a completely different show.
I think this maybe why some haters targeted Shun. They felt he denied them of flirting and doing what not with Shun. Tagging him difficult. Even Netflix brought in ikuo to pressure them but true feelings won the day.
I agree a 1000% with Meng on that point. Andrew's point of view is ofc totally valid but his experience of the gay community in Japan is not necessarily the norm but one type of many. Being gay is merely a sexual orientation and it doesn't necessarily equates with partying in Nichome or going to s*x saunas (how do you say that in English?? 😂). I do feel there's a biased perspective here (but tbh all I feel is that Andrew just wants to finally be loved by a good man as he *deserves*!) Regarding Shun most people seem to forget that, not only is he young he grew up in an orphanage facility and that is ROUGH, especially in Japan. This for me explained a LOT about his behavior how he has no frame of reference as to what it means to actually care for someone else and being cared for. And all the fear and anguish mixed with his beautiful face card that must have given him some nice privileges in life, just ends up with him looking moody and selfish when actually I believe it's more complex than just that. END OF THE NOVEL. 🎉
I like shun the most coz i undrestand him , and i empathy with his past ..its not about he is a spoiler kid ..he is just inscure he wanted to be sure from dai's feeling and he has abondonne issue ..i can relate for him ..everyone relate for him so anyone who hates him.. for me, they hate themself And the fact in the show he was so real ,,he could act cool but he was not there to entertain himself and the viewers
I was quite surprised Andrew was a little negative on quite a few of the guys and the show generally based on the first episode and good to see the outcome here! I thought Dai handled things in an exceptionally mature way, especially the chicken breast, and I was impressed that he is only in his early 20s.
I also only like Dai. I love how he is so open, expressive and kind. I like how he can bring up issue that needs to be discuss ex. Usak Chicken Breast. I also like how you mentioned that some people see Dai as a player and a red flag because of the nude pics but it is totally normal for a gay single guy to have that. It's not strange at all. Dai loves the chase, he loves eccentric people, and Shun is all of that. I enjoy your conversation, I wish I can join your conversation hahah Join the next season!!! Stay safe, guys❤
I've seen so many gay commentators say "Women love Shun". Maybe I'm an outlier but as a heterosexual woman Dai was the most attractive guy to me BY FAR! Shun's beauty is just too "ethereal" for me, it's almost unreal. "Dai made me *feel* things" - I agree with that quote 100%, lol.
I think honestly (no offense) you maybe an outlyer, because you're a woman of a certain age maybe? It seems the main demo for the shows fan base skews younger girls/women...say teens to early twenties. They want the fantasy Prince type. They love the k actors, idols and models and shun is literally that physical beauty ideal. They want the fantasy type... The unrealistic beauty you find in music videos, dramas and films. Maybe that's the disconnect.
i will say as a (non straight, idk if that influences things a lot, but maybe) woman, out of the cast i'd probably be more interested in taehon or alan if i saw them in the street but even from how they were in the show, their personalities are closest to what i'd mesh with. but that might also be because i'm in my mid 30s as well :') who's to say shun wouldn't have been my type 15ish years ago tho. that said i feel shun has that "i can fix him" thing around him, the whole handsome tortured artist with an unhappy/complicated childhood is doing a number on younger women and i think it's something we realize is actually a bit repulsive with age and grow out of. (esp in f/m relationships because this type of straight man is a manipulative fucker a good 97% of the time)
As a woman I found Dai the more attractive by far. Cute and sexy at the same time. Shun is cute but I would relate to him instead of being attracted to him physically or emotionnaly.
akfjkskf the way the two side eyes andrew when he makes generalizations of the boys’ personalities lol honestly as a straight woman, there were quite alot of relatable stuffs abt how the casts tackled relationships etc. which i think was one of the goals of the show, to let viewers see that gay dating is not sth to be treated abnormally esp by straight ppl. but it also widened my perspective abt the realities of gay relationships which gave me more insights abt the community in general, most esp in japan. i agree w/ how the casts’ personalities are so diverse yet relatable in different ways. like from the dating shows ive watched before it mostly focuses on the romance & drama2, the casts lacked personality within the show, but tbf was able to show the casts’ personalities OUTSIDE the romantic aspect. this made the show feel more real, bcs we saw other aspects of them also. very interesting takes u had on dai & shun too, contrary to popular belief that shun has the females going for him, alot from what ive encountered at least on X app are actually more attracted w/ Dai like me lol. shun is more of like the relatable character for many women indeed, but dai is also attractive to many tbh, wanting to have a Dai like Shun has & he’s rlly hot fr 😂. and yes they technically are frm different worlds in the real world, but thats what makes dating shows special, it makes 2 ppl who wont have bothered to get to know eo, be forced to & discover that there’s more to see from the other person that could make them want to be in a relationship. and that seems to be working for them til now as theyre still dating. it’s rlly a wonder how these kind of special encounters just works for some. anyways, this is the best dating show ive watched so far bcs it feels the realest for me yet it’s still calming to watch lol it’s shown in a subdued way, not toxic and not bland, not fake yet not triggering real. this show just put me into thoughtful mode all the time even when it ended lol im just reminded of the things i got from the show when dealing w/ ppl & relationships 😅
I found the guys’ commentary and evaluation helpful from my perspective as a western gay guy. I binge watched The Boyfriend on a plane from KIX-SFO yesterday and found myself get so much more emotional than I expected. The kindness Kazuto showed to his suitors was poignant and, as an English-speaking employee of a Kansai-based multinational, I hope I can learn from when addressing stressful situations with my Japanese colleagues. At first I thought the indirectness between the cast was weakness but then I realized the challenges Japanese society imposes on them to make romantic connections. Sad to see the show end but I too am hopeful for a 2nd season 💯
I think straight women related to the dai and shun courtship because it was familiar to them. The behaviour displayed was that of pretty young women (Shun) being pursued by straight young men (Dai). It did NOT seem like the relationship of 2 gay men at all. And Dai does seem like "that guy" that enjoys "simping" for pretty spoilt princesses.
Yes, me as a female married to a male. lol i do wonder what is straight or bend! Those who believe in one god, is he male or female or both? I embrace authenticity in people and celebrate true love like ❤️ DaiShun. Life is harder for same sex and it literally breaks my heart and makes me cry.
Absolutely - and even trying with all my might to mitigate my bias, that made it really unsufferable to me everytime these two were on screen. I feel like the pairing was clearly edited to emulate doujinshi dynamics for the heteronormative public - which has more to do with the production than the cast. Then again, there might also be some lingering resentment on my end for dynamics I encountered and dislike in my own life as a gay man: the monogamous, dysfunctional pairing that keeps making up and breaking up, dragging the entire friend pool in their mess, and still taking center stage and fawning because it's supposedly "cute".
Thanks for the review 🙏 I was waiting for it and I was not deceived 😊 Your guest host was also excellent (not only talking about his looks) and should be a regular. I was only disappointed that you did not indicate how popular or not the show was in Japan, and what kind of reviews it got there.
Love the commentary on the show. You guys got rather deep, gave different points of view about the show, and got quite a few good points there. Great work!
Meng is so right! Andrew just wants a bunch of nichome gays. I think the show was very representative of the average gay Japan experience that often doesn't get any spotlight.
29.48 exactly!!! I'm a woman, and that's the reason i love this show. I saw myself as Shun, and getting mood swing with Dai. And Shun face is like a beauty standard for a man we want.
It's funny you say dia "clocked" shun, but I don't think he ever really did. Even after the picnic with ikuo dia was the one who initiated contact for that discussion, apologising for "leaving him" while shun literally gave him a dressing down not allowing him to speak when dia said "I just wanna say one thing" and shun responded with "don't bother" and he didn't bother🤣🤣🤣... Even after the "dressing down/telling off shun gave him, he did his pov interview grinning ear to ear saying" it was good to talk to him" after that🥴 I agree with Andrew about dias unending grace for shun. Dia mentioned to ikuo that shun took him for granted in there discussion in the coffee truck and he wouldn't go running back after shun didn't raise his hand but then when the t shirt incident happened he did exactly that. He went running back to shun. He was never not gonna show up honestly. He was lost and didn't want to be "saved"... 🤣🤣🤣
Huh! If your boy was openly flirting with a new dude maybe you will throw yourself at him and beg him tops choose you idk. What i hear Shun said was talk is cheap, show me! He was hurting but still willing to try! I love Shun more for that❤
Did me and the guy on the far left watch the same show? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 I find it interesting how no one mentions how Kazuto was actually quite closed off. I still could not understand his personality. Lastly, I think Shun was the most handsome cast member. But Dai had the most allure.
You really seem to struggle understanding gays when they are not immersed into gay culture and treat others like they are not real gays. Disappointing but thanks god your guest is much more realistic
this conversation was so interesting.... I totally agree that the whole show was not fully representative of gay reality and it felt sometimes like a BL fantasy... but it also was strangely a really emotional experience for me because it made me realise how much I am longing for a deeper connection with someone but how little opportunities i will have in the future... despite not being fully representative I do agree as well that the show did something really rare which is showing a side of the gay world that also exists but we rarely see... there are gays (like me) who are very boring and do not go clubbing and are extremely quiet. and it was nice that the show portrayed "the quite gay" with a positive light.. still, I think the guys in the show are probably not that quiet in real life ... I do not think the show was scripted during shooting, though the guys seemed always aware of the cameras... however, the show was extremely edited ... creating storylines or showing reactions of the members that sometimes came out of nowhere because there was a lot we did not see. One of the best but saddest parts of the show was watching myself reflected in some of the behaviours portrayed and also the general feeling of loneliness that seems to a curse in the gay world.
I wish Alan would get more appreciation, in spite of appearing "just" like an extrovert, I thought he was an extra empath, could switch from any superficial topic to change it into a deep & sincere one (not everyone has this kind of skills), and he seemed to be very mindful/sensitive regarding the other boys feelings. Not saying, he is damned hot too 🤭
I really enjoyed the discussion here! I was just chatting with an oomfie about the show and I said the show definitely follows the story beats of a BL drama. That said, it’s good we saw them argue and bicker and be human beings with flaws. I’m also hoping for a season 2 and maybe we’ll get more episodes / down time with the boys? Also, huge fan and hello Sai! He’s so nice with his opinions.
41:43 That's what Dai say in interview before, if he meet Shun in real life, maybe he will hide from the pain, he will say he is busy with his work and studies and ignore Shun. But because this is the time and opportunity given to be more Getting to know the person he likes, Dai says, it's okay to be hurt by Shun, because he will learn what this person is like and it turns out that he has fallen in love with him without realizing it. he faced the pain and faced the relationship, not running away from the problems like in the outside world, because this is a green room. And finally he got Shun.
27:10 HAHAHAHAAH SAY IT LAUDER HAHAHA I FEEL YOU BEB, I REALLY HATE THAT MOMENT, i mean it's not his capacity to interfere in DaiShun's problems and Ikuo pretends to be nice and wants to help but in the end he admits his feelings, what is that?! Bullshit. I don't blame Dai if he is angry with Ikuo
I love the commentaries! I get what you were trying to say about Dai's issues with Ikuo and Usak. He is a serious and strong minded person so he tells it as it is without being disrespectful or nasty. I don't think he was nasty to any of them lol he's just wayyyy too soft and a simp for Shun.
Um, about Shun from a female POV: Yes, he is the most attractive physically for me (Kazuto is second for me); however, that attitude? Nope. I understand it given his upbringing; however I wouldn't have the patience to deal with someone like that. Certainly, I don't approach relationships the way he does. Then again, I was raised in a family with both parents and two siblings so my experience and understanding of relationships is vastly different from Shun's.
Meng was absolutely correct: they only showed Kazuto on the wheel. Now listen, gorgeous face, okay... personable and kind, okay... cooking skills, okay... but can also drive a truck, now we're talking. BRB, I'm about to make a confession!
38:47 Bro don't be afraid to show your princessness.Just be yourself always just like Shun 😎💅 If you love yourself then there is no one in this world that can drag you down..❤
I appreciate your feedback. As a straight woman watching gay drama happen it's great to hear the perspective. It was confusing to watch in some parts, cause it's not so straightforward why each guy is attracted to another, straight shows are much more obvious that way, haha. I wish I knew more about who is attracted to who, and why, though I think it's probably not something obvious to even other gay guys.
Thanks for showing the pictures of the castmates as you talked about them, especially for those of us outside of Japan who haven't seen the show (yet).
Yayyyy. Petition for your guys to join the show as MC's on season 2!! haha. It was a very nice experience to watch the boyfriend but having tokyo btm talk about it is equally important 'cause you all made very valid points that I too share. Thank you for content as always and I hope more debates like this can happen and people can express their true feelings not only in the gay community but in japan in general. Much love from 🇧🇷
I really enjoyed this video, and also got an idea for a new one, ya'll should explore more the "Nichome Gay" cultural phenomenon you talked about at the end of this one, sounds really interesting.
I didn't like the implied "agism" between the 20 somethings and Taehon and Usak. It felt like they were ignored mostly; interacting with them only when necessary. A HUGE opportunity that was missed is Usak teaching a dance class to the others. It would have given Usak's personality a chance to shine and the others to bond on a mutual activity while providing the audience some much needed eye candy (Shirtless everybody???). To me the panel's comments were annoying as hell. I understand that was a Japanese culture thing, but I wanted them to shut up and go away.
I disagree with some of your pov. Firstly there was 3 age groups : - the early 20 : Ikuo, Dai and Shun - The late 20 : Kazuto, Alan and Ryota - the 30 : Gensei, Taeheon and Usak In the extra scenes and the pics/videos they share on their sns we can see that Taeheon was and is pretty close with the cast And during the last interview, Taeheon explained that the langage was a brake in his relationship with the others. He needed time to adapt and like that waste half of the time He expressed too that after the show he saw differently people younger than him and now is more open to them In my opinion the biggest problem with Usak (his situation not him) like they said here : his « celebrity » was intimidating and didn’t easy the interactions. And apparently his personality (shy, clumsy, too reserved… don’t know how to say it sorry🤷🏻♀️) was part of it too On the other side Dai was centered on Shun since day one and apparently (said in the interview) Shun was interesting in him since day 2 (and was the only one sexually attractive to him) so their interactions with Taeheon were way more fraternel than romantic (in their recent live the way he cuddled Dai a big part of it) We need to remember that the show was heavily edited : an episode is the summary of 4 days. They take out all the casual moments
Dai always gave that energy, except toward Shun. I’d be like isn’t anyone gonna tell Shun, aren’t you tired playing your bs games. But I’m sure Shun would have ran to his room and cried like baby.
Shun really frustrated me and I thought I was just being a hater cause it seemed everyone liked him. Then I realized why Shun got on my nerves: he was showcasing the same toxic traits that I have when it comes to dating. And that realization frustrated me even more lol Like, "damn, *I* am the problem." But also, why do people put up with those traits or even find them endearing?
Well first thing, Shun is hella pretty. Some ppl do love pretty face you know. Also, he has a cute personality. Did you observe when he was with the others he was much more playful and jovial? Ppl like Shun (us) need the reassurance and undying loyalty first. I know that's kinda selfish but yeah some ppl love the chase i guess. Also there ppl who are too high maintenance are mostly loyal. So that's a covetable quality in a partner.
Dai and shun are perfect for each other ,their personalities clash a lot, but each need what the other is like, for example, shun needs someoneveho is very i mean very patient and understanding and that is what Dai can offer him ,and with Dai his energy is abit hyper and eager and also also he is some who need someone to depend on him and shun fit that kid of person . And the fact that ghey found eachother attractive did help alot thats why we see that their love is growing everyday .
I love this discussion it's so real and raw and I'm enjoying it. Plsss! do a video about what you think of Dai and Shun ended up dating in real world and how they've grown. And also your thoughts about alan and kazuto that they didn't work out.
Finally! So excited to see this up...I have no one to talk to about this show and I was impatiently waiting for your reaction. Well, I enjoyed many parts of the show, and thought it was something akin to Heartstopper it terms of content. A very sweet, endearing, and palpable version of gay life for the mainstream audience. Especially compared to what we would see in the States. I’ve never watched a Japanese dating reality show before, so the format was a little odd the way people would come and leave; and the commentators opinions edited in interrupted the story for me. There’s lots of cultural differences, of course, that made some of the casts interactions lost in translation for me, but otherwise, a great watch and peek into Japanese gay life. I may be alone in this, but Dai and Shun bored me and their relationship felt contrived. I felt Shun was particularly off putting. I was happy to hear an Atlanta shout out though…lol. My favorites were Gensei (adorable) and Taeheon (so hot!). Lastly, Andrew’s vocal acknowledgments that he was listening during this video…😳😉 Lastly, lastly, I wonder if Usak and Taehon’s ages played a role in their chances with the rest of the cast.
Completely disagree with wanting to show the open relationships side of things in Japan. (for now) They are still warming up to the idea of LGBT, so they need to see the more positive/normie side of things before it goes deeper. I hate to say but open relationships are frowned upon by the larger society and it wouldn't be a good look for the gay community in Japan, especially since it's not completely accepted yet. Even in the states, there are a lot of Gay Men that are looking for a normal relationship. You live in a bubble where your friends are dancers and porn stars and clubbers and the wider world isn't really like that. In Big Cities, sure, but there are a lot of gay people looking for a normal relationship.
@@4leafclover243 Dai has a very attractive face IMO. Masculine, great smile, and a very charismatic personality. Why is no one commenting about Meng's appearance? He appears to have added some muscle/weight that looks very good on him. He has gone from skinny/twinky to manly/handsome (which looks very good on him). The way he currently styles his hair and the weight gain is a very good look.
I think Dai was in a hard spot since he got put in charge of the money. I think Dai is just very big on responsibility in a leadership role. The second time he ahd to comfront Usak, Usak was told in store it was out of budget. I would have been hurt if I brought this to you, then in store I had to point it out again, and you still did it. I would feel very disrespected. I think Dai had a lot of courage to bring that up in public. I didn't like Dais reaction the the argument. They are all probably under 30 so I also try to be conscious of that. So nothing I say is like absolutes. Might like or dislike a quality but if its my interest and relationship I believe I can learn to communicate through such issues and when to leave it alone. Nobody is perfect. Shun has a little too much trama to be in a serious relationship in my opinion. I think with Dais patience though it is not so simple. Possible thay he can inspire growth. I was like Shun as a late teen with my first few random hookups and shame. My acts were pretty crazy. Ive spent like 10 years trying to rebuild myself since my tramas were quite a bit much. Took a random older hookup after my first boyfriend when i was 22. He just vented after a hookup with someone twice my age and he told me very similar stories as mine, and that he was me. Suggested i get comfortable alone and happy alone instead of getting to his age and realizing change was needed to succeed in a relationship. Ilnow i actually know what i want in a relationship, and am single because a relationship would interfer with my personal wants and ideas of fhe future. I want to take off and travel, and not compromise on locations and length. Its possible I hit thailand at the end of next ywar and never move back. Most people I talk to end up wanting my citizenship for the US and I dream of leaving to travel. Ryota was my favorite I think, but Dai would be a great friend. He reminded me of my ex who was an amazing friend but we just never fell in love with eachother haha. Sorry drinking so im chatty 29:47 lol this is so what I felt I lost the game 😢
It’s so interesting that you said in the real world, daishun’s situation would probably end up in one blocking another bc dai said the same too. He said if they had met in the real world, it probably would not have worked out bc he was afraid of being hurt in love. And that he most likely would have not pursued it further. But being in the house made him face the situation head on. It seems like a very fateful encounter tbh. Good for them
Dai treated Shun differently because he liked him. This is what you supposed to do with a person, who is your romantic interest. 🤔
Right! I definitely noticed that when he got upset with Ikuo. He wouldn't have acted so strong if it was Shun instead, because that's the difference between friendship and romantic attraction. I think it's romantic that Dai is gentler with Shun than everyone else 💗💗
100% disagree that Dai was nasty. I don't think he was disrespectful to anyone. Even when Ikuo tried to interfere with the issue between Dai and Shun, I felt that Dai handled it in an adult manner.
Yes! Dai was my favorite. Why anyone would say that about him is not dealing in reality. The nasty one was Shun in the way he treated Dai. I would have left Shun’s ass in the dirt a long time ago.
@@kuroneko7022 It appears many people see Shun as attractive however, he comes off as too feminine/passive to me where Dai seems more in-tune with his emotions/wants. When Dai smiles at you, it is hard to say no to his wishes. Dai has that manly energy that another manly male would find attractive.
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Dai was quite cool, and Shun isn't evil, but if your gay and have dating experience you realize all to well of the tramas that your fellow gays be carrying around and lobing on your lap. I see a lot of teenage me in Shun. I'm adopted, had abandonment, darker tramas, and imposter syndrome in a Christian family dynamic. I was a absolute pain till maybe 21. Started drinking, dating, partying. Met an old guy thar just told me I need to not date again until I'm not a mess, and being all depressed and negative. I took his advice and realized I was mature in everyday but interpersonal relationships. So I re-examined the interaction I had with random dates, my one boyfriend, and friends. I'm no longer do self depreciating jokes at all times, I don't do down talk with my friends were we are focused on the bad. I don't want to help my friends stay in a bad place. I listen to their struggles and I talk up the plans, goals, and dreams they have shared and make sure they know I'm serious about the ideas I think are pure gold. I try to still share the bare minimum if I'm down in energy since I recognize my friends are capable of some support and not sharing just hurts the relationship, but I don't let it stay on me. Basically I'm trying to actively and healthily criticize myself and change. I haven't dated again in 8 years because I want to be solid on my own, and not some mess to comfort and be emotionally manipulated. Like how Shun kept testing his limits to see if he would give up. My first bf was a lot like Dai actually. Younger than me by 2 years (20 I was 22), out going, very high spirit, more feminine in my opinion and I then realized my attraction to masculinity was from insecurities from growing up in a very repressive state in the south. I learned a lot, and now know what I want in a relationship and that I need stability first. Sorry I'm drinking and chatty
*I just lost the game
@@kuroneko7022 than thank God you are not dai coz dai is a human who can empathy and love and fight for his love and now he getting everything coz shun loves him so much..
You better go love and hype ppl in book coz they are perfect 🥴
A lot of fans have been hoping For Usak and Kazuto to make a connection after the show, I have to admit even I found them really cute together as well.
I've seen fans comparing everybody's social media and watching who post what, when and where, so It has definitely found it's BL fan base but a lot of gays here in the west like myself find it wholesome and refreshing from what we usually see of gay men on reality tv.
This!! The emphasis on the emotional connections and their friendships as a whole was so satisfying in a way we just don't find in reality TV nowadays.
Does Kazuto know what he wanted? He was hoping for Dai or Shun to have written his name on the paper😊
Not sure Kazuto will care to tell us😅
What I loved most about the show was the way the guys spoke to each other. I dont know if its the translation, but it all seemed very emotional and kinda poetic. I dont know anyone here in europe who speaks that way.
Agree 👍
Yes, the culture is so different. They are more polite, gentle and respectful
It is not reality show. It is scripted BL drama in the storylie of reality show. even there were so many camera angles when they were supposed to talk privately on beach
thats sounds very cheesy
Shun & Dai have their own TH-cam channel now, so if you want to see if they ever stopped fighting, you can see for yourself.
I love the discussions you had about how accurate the gay representation was in the show and how the Japanese dating culture differs from the West. I think Sai also made a great point mentioning that there's also an unknown hidden population of Japanese gay community that's more into quite life and not everyone is into an open relationship. Really enjoyed this review, it definitely made me understand the members/show better coz I feel like while watching, we're missing a lot of context so it's good to hear some perspectives from someone with a Japanese background or experience.
Sorry, Andrew, I totally disagree with showing more explicit things about gay life. Straight people have shows that have more sexual things and shows that are more reserved. Why do we have to have the only show turn into something explicit? That's a completely different show.
I think this maybe why some haters targeted Shun. They felt he denied them of flirting and doing what not with Shun. Tagging him difficult. Even Netflix brought in ikuo to pressure them but true feelings won the day.
I agree a 1000% with Meng on that point.
Andrew's point of view is ofc totally valid but his experience of the gay community in Japan is not necessarily the norm but one type of many.
Being gay is merely a sexual orientation and it doesn't necessarily equates with partying in Nichome or going to s*x saunas (how do you say that in English?? 😂). I do feel there's a biased perspective here (but tbh all I feel is that Andrew just wants to finally be loved by a good man as he *deserves*!)
Regarding Shun most people seem to forget that, not only is he young he grew up in an orphanage facility and that is ROUGH, especially in Japan. This for me explained a LOT about his behavior how he has no frame of reference as to what it means to actually care for someone else and being cared for. And all the fear and anguish mixed with his beautiful face card that must have given him some nice privileges in life, just ends up with him looking moody and selfish when actually I believe it's more complex than just that.
END OF THE NOVEL. 🎉
Finally, I’ve been screaming for someone to notice this 😂. The poor guy is suffering from trauma
I like shun the most coz i undrestand him , and i empathy with his past ..its not about he is a spoiler kid ..he is just inscure he wanted to be sure from dai's feeling and he has abondonne issue ..i can relate for him ..everyone relate for him so anyone who hates him.. for me, they hate themself
And the fact in the show he was so real ,,he could act cool but he was not there to entertain himself and the viewers
Kazuto was working his ass off at that cafe, all the guys were choosing him 😂
his porn video works too!
I was quite surprised Andrew was a little negative on quite a few of the guys and the show generally based on the first episode and good to see the outcome here! I thought Dai handled things in an exceptionally mature way, especially the chicken breast, and I was impressed that he is only in his early 20s.
So agree with you... I was a bit shocked at Andrew's negative view of Dai's interactions
I also only like Dai. I love how he is so open, expressive and kind.
I like how he can bring up issue that needs to be discuss ex. Usak Chicken Breast.
I also like how you mentioned that some people see Dai as a player and a red flag because of the nude pics but it is totally normal for a gay single guy to have that. It's not strange at all.
Dai loves the chase, he loves eccentric people, and Shun is all of that.
I enjoy your conversation, I wish I can join your conversation hahah
Join the next season!!! Stay safe, guys❤
Dai is bi not gay
Dai had a hot body and I can see men liking him. He doesn’t seem to be shy about flaunting it either. More power to him.
Eles são maravilhosos ❤❤Daí é shun ❤❤
I've seen so many gay commentators say "Women love Shun". Maybe I'm an outlier but as a heterosexual woman Dai was the most attractive guy to me BY FAR! Shun's beauty is just too "ethereal" for me, it's almost unreal. "Dai made me *feel* things" - I agree with that quote 100%, lol.
I’m bisexual and not straight but I agree with you: Dai was by far the most attractive one imo.
I think honestly (no offense) you maybe an outlyer, because you're a woman of a certain age maybe? It seems the main demo for the shows fan base skews younger girls/women...say teens to early twenties. They want the fantasy Prince type. They love the k actors, idols and models and shun is literally that physical beauty ideal. They want the fantasy type... The unrealistic beauty you find in music videos, dramas and films. Maybe that's the disconnect.
Yeah, i'm a heterosexual girl too, i find Shun cute but for sure Dai was my perfect man, just love him.
i will say as a (non straight, idk if that influences things a lot, but maybe) woman, out of the cast i'd probably be more interested in taehon or alan if i saw them in the street but even from how they were in the show, their personalities are closest to what i'd mesh with. but that might also be because i'm in my mid 30s as well :') who's to say shun wouldn't have been my type 15ish years ago tho.
that said i feel shun has that "i can fix him" thing around him, the whole handsome tortured artist with an unhappy/complicated childhood is doing a number on younger women and i think it's something we realize is actually a bit repulsive with age and grow out of. (esp in f/m relationships because this type of straight man is a manipulative fucker a good 97% of the time)
As a woman I found Dai the more attractive by far. Cute and sexy at the same time. Shun is cute but I would relate to him instead of being attracted to him physically or emotionnaly.
Shun is one of us Princesses 😂 He is relatable 💅
I loved that intro 😂
akfjkskf the way the two side eyes andrew when he makes generalizations of the boys’ personalities lol
honestly as a straight woman, there were quite alot of relatable stuffs abt how the casts tackled relationships etc. which i think was one of the goals of the show, to let viewers see that gay dating is not sth to be treated abnormally esp by straight ppl. but it also widened my perspective abt the realities of gay relationships which gave me more insights abt the community in general, most esp in japan.
i agree w/ how the casts’ personalities are so diverse yet relatable in different ways. like from the dating shows ive watched before it mostly focuses on the romance & drama2, the casts lacked personality within the show, but tbf was able to show the casts’ personalities OUTSIDE the romantic aspect. this made the show feel more real, bcs we saw other aspects of them also.
very interesting takes u had on dai & shun too, contrary to popular belief that shun has the females going for him, alot from what ive encountered at least on X app are actually more attracted w/ Dai like me lol. shun is more of like the relatable character for many women indeed, but dai is also attractive to many tbh, wanting to have a Dai like Shun has & he’s rlly hot fr 😂. and yes they technically are frm different worlds in the real world, but thats what makes dating shows special, it makes 2 ppl who wont have bothered to get to know eo, be forced to & discover that there’s more to see from the other person that could make them want to be in a relationship. and that seems to be working for them til now as theyre still dating. it’s rlly a wonder how these kind of special encounters just works for some.
anyways, this is the best dating show ive watched so far bcs it feels the realest for me yet it’s still calming to watch lol it’s shown in a subdued way, not toxic and not bland, not fake yet not triggering real. this show just put me into thoughtful mode all the time even when it ended lol im just reminded of the things i got from the show when dealing w/ ppl & relationships 😅
I found the guys’ commentary and evaluation helpful from my perspective as a western gay guy. I binge watched The Boyfriend on a plane from KIX-SFO yesterday and found myself get so much more emotional than I expected. The kindness Kazuto showed to his suitors was poignant and, as an English-speaking employee of a Kansai-based multinational, I hope I can learn from when addressing stressful situations with my Japanese colleagues. At first I thought the indirectness between the cast was weakness but then I realized the challenges Japanese society imposes on them to make romantic connections. Sad to see the show end but I too am hopeful for a 2nd season 💯
I think straight women related to the dai and shun courtship because it was familiar to them. The behaviour displayed was that of pretty young women (Shun) being pursued by straight young men (Dai). It did NOT seem like the relationship of 2 gay men at all. And Dai does seem like "that guy" that enjoys "simping" for pretty spoilt princesses.
Yes, me as a female married to a male.
lol i do wonder what is straight or bend! Those who believe in one god, is he male or female or both?
I embrace authenticity in people and celebrate true love like ❤️ DaiShun.
Life is harder for same sex and it literally breaks my heart and makes me cry.
Absolutely - and even trying with all my might to mitigate my bias, that made it really unsufferable to me everytime these two were on screen. I feel like the pairing was clearly edited to emulate doujinshi dynamics for the heteronormative public - which has more to do with the production than the cast. Then again, there might also be some lingering resentment on my end for dynamics I encountered and dislike in my own life as a gay man: the monogamous, dysfunctional pairing that keeps making up and breaking up, dragging the entire friend pool in their mess, and still taking center stage and fawning because it's supposedly "cute".
That intro 😅🥵 love you guys and yet another great video 🎉
Meng's legs at the beginning of the video are the unpaid actors.
33:02 This made me laugh so hard 😂😂😂
🗣️: "I only like Dai"
🗣️: "Coz you're Shun" 😂
I wish I could have watced the series but your commentary still indicates how difficult forming gay relationships can be in Japan. Well done..
Thanks for the review 🙏 I was waiting for it and I was not deceived 😊 Your guest host was also excellent (not only talking about his looks) and should be a regular. I was only disappointed that you did not indicate how popular or not the show was in Japan, and what kind of reviews it got there.
Love the commentary on the show. You guys got rather deep, gave different points of view about the show, and got quite a few good points there. Great work!
I wanna see Meng on The Boyfriend!!
Meng is so right! Andrew just wants a bunch of nichome gays. I think the show was very representative of the average gay Japan experience that often doesn't get any spotlight.
That intro! 😂 thank you for this commentary video and the insights! Kazuto and Usak are my personal faves ❤️
They would be so cute together!!!
29.48 exactly!!! I'm a woman, and that's the reason i love this show. I saw myself as Shun, and getting mood swing with Dai. And Shun face is like a beauty standard for a man we want.
It's funny you say dia "clocked" shun, but I don't think he ever really did. Even after the picnic with ikuo dia was the one who initiated contact for that discussion, apologising for "leaving him" while shun literally gave him a dressing down not allowing him to speak when dia said "I just wanna say one thing" and shun responded with "don't bother" and he didn't bother🤣🤣🤣... Even after the "dressing down/telling off shun gave him, he did his pov interview grinning ear to ear saying" it was good to talk to him" after that🥴
I agree with Andrew about dias unending grace for shun. Dia mentioned to ikuo that shun took him for granted in there discussion in the coffee truck and he wouldn't go running back after shun didn't raise his hand but then when the t shirt incident happened he did exactly that. He went running back to shun. He was never not gonna show up honestly. He was lost and didn't want to be "saved"... 🤣🤣🤣
Huh! If your boy was openly flirting with a new dude maybe you will throw yourself at him and beg him tops choose you idk.
What i hear Shun said was talk is cheap, show me! He was hurting but still willing to try! I love Shun more for that❤
27:11 this guy is representing us 😂 Shun was being too good to Ikou 😂
Did me and the guy on the far left watch the same show?
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I find it interesting how no one mentions how Kazuto was actually quite closed off. I still could not understand his personality.
Lastly, I think Shun was the most handsome cast member. But Dai had the most allure.
The guy in the left is Andrew
You really seem to struggle understanding gays when they are not immersed into gay culture and treat others like they are not real gays. Disappointing but thanks god your guest is much more realistic
this conversation was so interesting.... I totally agree that the whole show was not fully representative of gay reality and it felt sometimes like a BL fantasy... but it also was strangely a really emotional experience for me because it made me realise how much I am longing for a deeper connection with someone but how little opportunities i will have in the future... despite not being fully representative I do agree as well that the show did something really rare which is showing a side of the gay world that also exists but we rarely see... there are gays (like me) who are very boring and do not go clubbing and are extremely quiet. and it was nice that the show portrayed "the quite gay" with a positive light.. still, I think the guys in the show are probably not that quiet in real life ... I do not think the show was scripted during shooting, though the guys seemed always aware of the cameras... however, the show was extremely edited ... creating storylines or showing reactions of the members that sometimes came out of nowhere because there was a lot we did not see. One of the best but saddest parts of the show was watching myself reflected in some of the behaviours portrayed and also the general feeling of loneliness that seems to a curse in the gay world.
I wish Alan would get more appreciation, in spite of appearing "just" like an extrovert, I thought he was an extra empath, could switch from any superficial topic to change it into a deep & sincere one (not everyone has this kind of skills), and he seemed to be very mindful/sensitive regarding the other boys feelings.
Not saying, he is damned hot too 🤭
I really enjoyed the discussion here! I was just chatting with an oomfie about the show and I said the show definitely follows the story beats of a BL drama. That said, it’s good we saw them argue and bicker and be human beings with flaws. I’m also hoping for a season 2 and maybe we’ll get more episodes / down time with the boys? Also, huge fan and hello Sai! He’s so nice with his opinions.
41:43 That's what Dai say in interview before, if he meet Shun in real life, maybe he will hide from the pain, he will say he is busy with his work and studies and ignore Shun. But because this is the time and opportunity given to be more Getting to know the person he likes, Dai says, it's okay to be hurt by Shun, because he will learn what this person is like and it turns out that he has fallen in love with him without realizing it. he faced the pain and faced the relationship, not running away from the problems like in the outside world, because this is a green room. And finally he got Shun.
The intro is so diashun 😂😂😂
27:10 HAHAHAHAAH SAY IT LAUDER HAHAHA I FEEL YOU BEB, I REALLY HATE THAT MOMENT, i mean it's not his capacity to interfere in DaiShun's problems and Ikuo pretends to be nice and wants to help but in the end he admits his feelings, what is that?! Bullshit. I don't blame Dai if he is angry with Ikuo
I feel like Andrew watches a different show.
“In the straight world, Shun is normal”
I have never been so thankful to be born gay, then
It is not reality show. It is scripted BL drama in the storylie of reality show
@@wdaniel4914if that’s what you wanna tell yourself then sure …… as though gay ppl having a happy ending can’t be real right?
@@wdaniel4914 I watch a lot of BL. None of The Boyfriend felt like BL at all to me. lol
@@99_butterfly actors could have happy ending with each other, yeh it is possible, but it is just not reality show.
@@tc2334 that is why the storyline of reality show sells.
Just woke up, made a coffee, and can't wait to start my morning with Tokyo BTM ♥
I love the commentaries! I get what you were trying to say about Dai's issues with Ikuo and Usak. He is a serious and strong minded person so he tells it as it is without being disrespectful or nasty. I don't think he was nasty to any of them lol he's just wayyyy too soft and a simp for Shun.
"The Boyfriend" has one of the best casts..❤ They have a perfect blend of everything.They have different personalities which compliments eachother ❤
The intro was great. That scene should become a meme. 😆
Thank you for the comprehensive review and the delicious guest!
Forget the show. Sai is CUTE!! Happy Japaniversary!! 😍🥰😘
THAT INTROOO LMAAAOOOOOO MENG 😂Also Sai is a great guest yall should have him on more often heh
Actually, I agree with Andrew. Dai did seem to speak with a stronger conviction towards Usak which was different from his interactions with Shun.
25:41 Shun is treating Dai very well now.He is a good boy now..😂
Meng and his quest for the ultimate Boyf/Military hubby
Um, about Shun from a female POV: Yes, he is the most attractive physically for me (Kazuto is second for me); however, that attitude? Nope. I understand it given his upbringing; however I wouldn't have the patience to deal with someone like that. Certainly, I don't approach relationships the way he does. Then again, I was raised in a family with both parents and two siblings so my experience and understanding of relationships is vastly different from Shun's.
Meng was absolutely correct: they only showed Kazuto on the wheel. Now listen, gorgeous face, okay... personable and kind, okay... cooking skills, okay... but can also drive a truck, now we're talking. BRB, I'm about to make a confession!
I think I got a glimpse of Gensei getting off of the driver's seat on his last day, but he was not shown actually driving it though.
38:47 Bro don't be afraid to show your princessness.Just be yourself always just like Shun 😎💅 If you love yourself then there is no one in this world that can drag you down..❤
You need to watch Sparks Camp, the first ever Filipino gay dating show and there is 2 seasons, the first season is my favourite
I appreciate your feedback. As a straight woman watching gay drama happen it's great to hear the perspective. It was confusing to watch in some parts, cause it's not so straightforward why each guy is attracted to another, straight shows are much more obvious that way, haha. I wish I knew more about who is attracted to who, and why, though I think it's probably not something obvious to even other gay guys.
Thanks for showing the pictures of the castmates as you talked about them, especially for those of us outside of Japan who haven't seen the show (yet).
OMG. this must be the best TBF reaction I’ve ever found. love love love
People need love and a lover, not just a casual partner and hookups-those are too easy. Who would go on a show looking for that?
I love the show so much!! I've been your follower for so long and I've felt connected with all your comments! ❤ Thank you for that
"the queen and the princess" hahaha fr 🤣
Thank you guys for this review and analysis. It adds something to the experience of watching the show.
Hi boys, I thought it was Usak😂… but I enjoyed your discussions and opinions.. so fair .. love it.
Yayyyy. Petition for your guys to join the show as MC's on season 2!! haha. It was a very nice experience to watch the boyfriend but having tokyo btm talk about it is equally important 'cause you all made very valid points that I too share. Thank you for content as always and I hope more debates like this can happen and people can express their true feelings not only in the gay community but in japan in general. Much love from 🇧🇷
I really enjoyed this video, and also got an idea for a new one, ya'll should explore more the "Nichome Gay" cultural phenomenon you talked about at the end of this one, sounds really interesting.
I didn't like the implied "agism" between the 20 somethings and Taehon and Usak. It felt like they were ignored mostly; interacting with them only when necessary. A HUGE opportunity that was missed is Usak teaching a dance class to the others. It would have given Usak's personality a chance to shine and the others to bond on a mutual activity while providing the audience some much needed eye candy (Shirtless everybody???). To me the panel's comments were annoying as hell. I understand that was a Japanese culture thing, but I wanted them to shut up and go away.
Usak was a narcissist. He wouldn’t teach others to dance lol
I disagree with some of your pov.
Firstly there was 3 age groups :
- the early 20 : Ikuo, Dai and Shun
- The late 20 : Kazuto, Alan and Ryota
- the 30 : Gensei, Taeheon and Usak
In the extra scenes and the pics/videos they share on their sns we can see that Taeheon was and is pretty close with the cast
And during the last interview, Taeheon explained that the langage was a brake in his relationship with the others. He needed time to adapt and like that waste half of the time
He expressed too that after the show he saw differently people younger than him and now is more open to them
In my opinion the biggest problem with Usak (his situation not him) like they said here : his « celebrity » was intimidating and didn’t easy the interactions. And apparently his personality (shy, clumsy, too reserved… don’t know how to say it sorry🤷🏻♀️) was part of it too
On the other side Dai was centered on Shun since day one and apparently (said in the interview) Shun was interesting in him since day 2 (and was the only one sexually attractive to him) so their interactions with Taeheon were way more fraternel than romantic (in their recent live the way he cuddled Dai a big part of it)
We need to remember that the show was heavily edited : an episode is the summary of 4 days. They take out all the casual moments
Meng's smile 36.05 onwards is so lovely
That intro was hilarious!
I have found some episodes on TH-cam with English subtitles. Really a very interesting show. Thank you for the video. It is appreciated!
Dai always gave that energy, except toward Shun. I’d be like isn’t anyone gonna tell Shun, aren’t you tired playing your bs games. But I’m sure Shun would have ran to his room and cried like baby.
Shun really frustrated me and I thought I was just being a hater cause it seemed everyone liked him. Then I realized why Shun got on my nerves: he was showcasing the same toxic traits that I have when it comes to dating. And that realization frustrated me even more lol Like, "damn, *I* am the problem." But also, why do people put up with those traits or even find them endearing?
Well first thing, Shun is hella pretty. Some ppl do love pretty face you know. Also, he has a cute personality. Did you observe when he was with the others he was much more playful and jovial? Ppl like Shun (us) need the reassurance and undying loyalty first. I know that's kinda selfish but yeah some ppl love the chase i guess. Also there ppl who are too high maintenance are mostly loyal. So that's a covetable quality in a partner.
I never knew go go boy Sai was from the States! I took a pic with him and talked to him in my baby Japanese!! Oops
お兄さん達、カズトの和食屋に行こう！🥹清水の舞台から飛び降りる覚悟でオファーしてみて!!カズト目立つのは嫌いだろうけど…推しなんだ
I hope there is a season 2/ Glad Dai and Shun ended up together.
Dai and shun are perfect for each other ,their personalities clash a lot, but each need what the other is like, for example, shun needs someoneveho is very i mean very patient and understanding and that is what Dai can offer him ,and with Dai his energy is abit hyper and eager and also also he is some who need someone to depend on him and shun fit that kid of person . And the fact that ghey found eachother attractive did help alot thats why we see that their love is growing everyday .
Wow your gogoboy guest is stunningly handsome
He is !!! 😭😭😭
I love this discussion it's so real and raw and I'm enjoying it. Plsss! do a video about what you think of Dai and Shun ended up dating in real world and how they've grown. And also your thoughts about alan and kazuto that they didn't work out.
Finally! So excited to see this up...I have no one to talk to about this show and I was impatiently waiting for your reaction.
Well, I enjoyed many parts of the show, and thought it was something akin to Heartstopper it terms of content. A very sweet, endearing, and palpable version of gay life for the mainstream audience. Especially compared to what we would see in the States. I’ve never watched a Japanese dating reality show before, so the format was a little odd the way people would come and leave; and the commentators opinions edited in interrupted the story for me. There’s lots of cultural differences, of course, that made some of the casts interactions lost in translation for me, but otherwise, a great watch and peek into Japanese gay life. I may be alone in this, but Dai and Shun bored me and their relationship felt contrived. I felt Shun was particularly off putting. I was happy to hear an Atlanta shout out though…lol. My favorites were Gensei (adorable) and Taeheon (so hot!). Lastly, Andrew’s vocal acknowledgments that he was listening during this video…😳😉
Lastly, lastly, I wonder if Usak and Taehon’s ages played a role in their chances with the rest of the cast.
Really enjoyed your discussions on The Boyfriend and the casts
I ve very very loved so much “boy-friend” is so kawai 🤩
Love Love Love your reaction. It’s very fair, understanding, and insightful ❤
Completely disagree with wanting to show the open relationships side of things in Japan. (for now) They are still warming up to the idea of LGBT, so they need to see the more positive/normie side of things before it goes deeper. I hate to say but open relationships are frowned upon by the larger society and it wouldn't be a good look for the gay community in Japan, especially since it's not completely accepted yet. Even in the states, there are a lot of Gay Men that are looking for a normal relationship. You live in a bubble where your friends are dancers and porn stars and clubbers and the wider world isn't really like that. In Big Cities, sure, but there are a lot of gay people looking for a normal relationship.
2nd season of japan bears! can only hope
Petition for Andrew and Meng to be on the second season
It will be a very dramatic season if there is a love triangle between us
Ok, but so can u confirm there’s no tops in Japan? I’m feeling kinda hopeless. GoGo boys seem to confirm too 😅
I think Shun was the most handsome in the show.
And the most annoying.😂
I need to know how Taeheon and Sai knew each other before!
Girllll, you know how 😏
Great listening to you analyses of the show ❤❤❤❤❤
Oh Boy, now I have to finish it 😂
Probably due to my lack of deep understanding of Japanese culture, but the level of passive aggressive in this series drove me insane. 😅
That's our daily life here
@@TokyoBTM 😱 😂 I found Dai the least attractive facially.
@@4leafclover243 Dai has a very attractive face IMO. Masculine, great smile, and a very charismatic personality. Why is no one commenting about Meng's appearance? He appears to have added some muscle/weight that looks very good on him. He has gone from skinny/twinky to manly/handsome (which looks very good on him). The way he currently styles his hair and the weight gain is a very good look.
Great video today guys really enjoyed it love having a gogo boy on channel. As always keep up the great work.🏳️🌈
Called Shun being a princess from day one
Great discussion, guys!
Time to come home to Canada
Why would he ever come back to this dumpster fire
@@getgtto refresh his roots.
> i am amazed how much i have enjoyed this convo about a show i did not watch - thanks guys, really incisive contributions all of you ~
My faves are definitely Alan and Taeheon. They just seemed so...mature and kind. The young guys were either too naive or insane. Yes him lol 😅
21:05 Usak-san is a multi talented man.I really like him ❤
I think Dai was in a hard spot since he got put in charge of the money. I think Dai is just very big on responsibility in a leadership role. The second time he ahd to comfront Usak, Usak was told in store it was out of budget. I would have been hurt if I brought this to you, then in store I had to point it out again, and you still did it. I would feel very disrespected. I think Dai had a lot of courage to bring that up in public. I didn't like Dais reaction the the argument. They are all probably under 30 so I also try to be conscious of that. So nothing I say is like absolutes. Might like or dislike a quality but if its my interest and relationship I believe I can learn to communicate through such issues and when to leave it alone. Nobody is perfect. Shun has a little too much trama to be in a serious relationship in my opinion. I think with Dais patience though it is not so simple. Possible thay he can inspire growth. I was like Shun as a late teen with my first few random hookups and shame. My acts were pretty crazy. Ive spent like 10 years trying to rebuild myself since my tramas were quite a bit much. Took a random older hookup after my first boyfriend when i was 22. He just vented after a hookup with someone twice my age and he told me very similar stories as mine, and that he was me. Suggested i get comfortable alone and happy alone instead of getting to his age and realizing change was needed to succeed in a relationship. Ilnow i actually know what i want in a relationship, and am single because a relationship would interfer with my personal wants and ideas of fhe future. I want to take off and travel, and not compromise on locations and length. Its possible I hit thailand at the end of next ywar and never move back. Most people I talk to end up wanting my citizenship for the US and I dream of leaving to travel. Ryota was my favorite I think, but Dai would be a great friend. He reminded me of my ex who was an amazing friend but we just never fell in love with eachother haha.
Sorry drinking so im chatty
29:47 lol this is so what I felt
I lost the game 😢
Hello from Bucharest, Romania - a huge underrated city in Europe:)
42:22 Usak and Kazuto need to get together 😭😭😭
Have you ever watched the South Korean show His Man? It's a good one too.