Geez, I wish the big box plumbing company we used to install a Pfister compression drain assembly had watched this video and ALL THE COMMENTS about NOT USING putty or tape, becuase they did, even though I GAVE THEM the Pfister instructions. They created a huge leak and - after spending hundreds (they had no idea about pedestals it turns out) - I have to do it myself. Get the one they ruined out, purchase a new one, remove the pedestal and sink, install it properly, reattach to the wall cuz they didn't do that right, they PUTTIED THE SINK TO THE PEDESTAL! My pedestal is a Kohler Memoirs, I am fed up with plumbers rn.
It's a good idea to take your old (original) full trap assembly to the store with you so the person you're talking to can see what you're replacing. It'll help some of their instructions/advice make more sense to you, too. Look closely at the instructions of your faucet set. I installed a Pfister set last night and they expressly told me NOT to use any pipe tape on threads or plumber's putty under the drain assembly (because it might damage the rubber seal they use). Many of these modern units use all compression fittings, and I think plumbers will tell you not to use tape on the threads. So when you're installing a new setup on an older house, be aware of the connections on both sides to make sure you do the right thing. Some newer faucets are surprisingly easy to install. Almost no tools needed at all. If there wasn't a pedestal-type sink there before, make SURE there is some kind of backing board behind the drywall for your screws to anchor to. If not, consider adding one. You don't want that pedestal sink pulling away from the wall when your kids grab it. Get a tube of pure silicon caulking and run a bead along the sink/wall union to keep water from sitting in there and rotting the wood/drywall. Use a wet finger to make a nice, smooth curved bead line. Great video, thanks! Do it yourself, folks! :)
I wish the big box plumbing company we used to install a Pfister compression drain assembly had watched this video and YOUR COMMENT about NOT USING putty or tape, because yesterday they did, even though I GAVE THEM the Pfister instructions. They created a huge leak and - after spending hundreds (they had no idea about pedestals it turns out) - I have decided to do it myself. Purchase an entire new faucet set, remove the pedestal and sink, install it properly, reattach to the wall cuz they didn't do that right, they PUTTIED THE SINK TO THE PEDESTAL! My pedestal is a Kohler Memoirs, I am fed up with plumbers rn. I am def. going to show them your comment IF and when they return.
Thanks for sharing - yes, lots to think about on hose lengths, I honestly will get 3 sizes, as I have learned my guesstimations are 'wrong', then I simply return the wrong sizes.
Thank you for this video! I haven't had to deal with the pedstal yet, but the p trap. I brought $25 worth of parts from one store trying to replace it, those didn't fit. So I went to another store and it had a P trap set for $1.97. What a fool I am...but thank you for the video! I can now avoid more issues with installation.
This was very helpful as a supplement to other instructions as you said. I am facing replacing a P trap on my pedestal sink that is leaky and the spare bathroom appears not too far behind. Thank you so much for sharing!
Good video. Only thing i'd recommend is pipe dope over tape. Ive read tons of reviews and the dope has seen like the better choice. Ive never had an issue anytime ive used it. I'd recommend rectorseal T plus 2(little thick and hard to use honestly, but WORKS) or Hercules Megaloc thread sealant
Just trying to help NEWBIES You dont just slip that in the wall it requires a a nut & washer to seal that from leaking. Also at 5:17 "Friction FIT"? it needs a Hand tighting of the nut to compress the tapered O ring inside. Plus its now 2022 most are using silicone in place of plumbers putty on the drain assembly contact with sink basin. Plumbers putty is a thing of the past with Most sinks now FYI
They are not 'friction fit', they are compression fit. Your horizontal drain into the wall cavity should be fixed, and not move at all. Never use Teflon tape on plastic fittings.
Not a pro plumber here, but done plenty of plumbing over the years. That back end of the p-trap, where it enters the wall is a leak waiting to happen. That should be a slip-joint fitting and should have a washer and a large nut to tighten it all together. Just sayin'
Interesting. Been in the house for 17 years and nothing has changed. No leaks. Feels like a friction fit type of fitting. When I push it in, I can feel pressure around the edge of the pipe as it goes in...but not super tight. Plumbers, what say ye?
I thought so too. Obviously not causing a problem in this situation but best practice would be to install as you mentioned especially since connection is in wall and can't see drips/leaks should they occur.
I am pretty sure you are suposed to have a compression fitting where the pipe goes into the wall, I do not think it should just slide. Without some type of seal on the pipe that slides into the wallyou will have water backup, a leak. Drain lines are low pressure and gravity feed. However, all connection on drain line require mechanical sealing. I have not ever seen a slipe fit drain line!! Also gasses can leak into the room around a slip fiied joint Hope this helps.
Thanks for the insight. We’ve lived in the home for 19 years, but the sink is rarely used. That said, I’ll look into seeing what we can do to get this shored up. Thanks for the comment. I agree.
If no stud, use wall anchors. Had to look name up, always called them "wall stoppers" lols. I know they exist for drywall, should have some for wood panels. If not, cut U-shape around sink and insert into drywall. After painting of course.
Think twice about installing a pedestal sink! They're a real PIA to work on once installed because the wrench clearances are horrible making it a necessity, in many cases, to remove the sink entirely to replace anything attached to it! Installing it to bead board is only as good as the hold the bead board has to the wall which is "iffy" unless the vertical on the bead board aligns exactly with (over) the two studs you really want to attach to.
I like them. I use a bracket and screws. I’ve never not been able to use at least one stud. Togglers for drywall anchors. Both of mine are self supporting so I can remove the pedestal for easy access. The pedestal just adds strength.
Nobody tell me how to remove the pedestal to repair the pipes underneath! Not one single video I have found explains this. How do I take the pedestal out? I think mine is bolted to the floor.
Donald Drennan I wish I could help you. My pedestal sink was just caulked to the floor, not bolted. I did have to use a plumbers wrench to remove the water pipes that connected to the faucet up underneath the sink.
Super late reply but it is very possible it was bolted to floor or construction adhesive. OR BOTH! lol. Some pedestals require bolting to floor in installation.
I have an issue. The pipe out of the wall is 1-1/2 inch. The faucet piping is 1-1/4. The sink is 7.5" from the wall, but my piping is about 8.5" from the wall. How do I reduce 1" of distance? I heard those accordian pipes are not to code.
Well done, thank u. Have watch a couple of other videos as well. Would like 2 know if any type of "cushioning" should b put between pedestal & basin, e.g.a bead of silicon or similar? Any input is appreciated. Tnx
I didn’t put anything in between the basin and pedestal. Haven’t had any issues, but I would certainly invite others to comment to see if there are situations where this might be helpful.
FYI better to use silicone sealer around the drain pipe fitting, plumber's putty is the traditional sealer but it will dry out and leak. Just don't tighten the filling too much or you will squeeze out all the sealer. Also, if you house is correctly built there will be a horizontal 2x4 between wall studs for attaching a sink.
Pascal Bergeron in my particular installation, I did not attach the base to the floor. There was no bracket provided with the sink. In effect, the weight of the sink will hold the base in place, but the pedestal is free floating and can be moved around. I have seen in some instances where individuals will caulk around the top and bottom, but I did not do this. Thank you for your question and I invite others to comment if they have different ideas.
The Lowe's video show a hole being drilled into the floor for the pedestal. I suspect that is the case with mine, however I have no idea how to remove it. I can't see how it's attached, but it definitely is. It won't budge, even if I lift up on the sink.
Pls. Don't be hard on yourself.. Even journeymen plumbers Don't get it the firstl time every time. Unless your the boss and you have all your guys at the job. That way the boss can pick the who's who of all star brown nose sers . That will be the driver.
Best way to install a pedestal is DON'T install one!!! They are a nightmare to deal with if you have to do drain work later on. A console sink is 100% easier to install and maintain.
The brackets that came with the sink appear to be doing the job, but liquid nails is certainly an option. I’ve used liquid nails on stone work and it’s held up great for years
Thanks for shearing, great to see people like you. You pretty much have no idea what's needed to be done. On top of that you have no value for you time. After 3-4 trips to Home Depot, probably 2 hours of your time at least, and another 3-4 hours to get to the point in video you are, you more than likely realized you need to call a plumber. This is where someone like me would come in and charge you for all your ignorance.
...I have an inquisitive mind. I like to learn. Learning is a form of enjoyment, so I do value my time. I also like to create short videos where I can help others avoid some of my learnings. Don’t worry, on the big jobs, I always call a plumber. Your job is safe. I have a bathroom remodel underway which will require extensive plumbing modifications. I’ll watch and learn. 😉
Helpful video, but what sticks in my mind the most is, you really love the word "actually"
Thanks for the feedback. Will try to be aware of this in future videos.
Several have commented on the old sink. It indeed has been sold to a good home who will keep it in service!
The horizontal piece of the p-trap also needs a slip nut going into the wall (adapter). It doesn't "just go in".
giarc nella yes, there is a friction fit slip nit inside the wall...just not seen in the camera shot
Geez, I wish the big box plumbing company we used to install a Pfister compression drain assembly had watched this video and ALL THE COMMENTS about NOT USING putty or tape, becuase they did, even though I GAVE THEM the Pfister instructions. They created a huge leak and - after spending hundreds (they had no idea about pedestals it turns out) - I have to do it myself. Get the one they ruined out, purchase a new one, remove the pedestal and sink, install it properly, reattach to the wall cuz they didn't do that right, they PUTTIED THE SINK TO THE PEDESTAL! My pedestal is a Kohler Memoirs, I am fed up with plumbers rn.
lol, they puttied the sink to the pedestal 😆
What a PITA. Those weren’t plumbers tho.
I sure like the design of your old sink, so pretty!
It's a good idea to take your old (original) full trap assembly to the store with you so the person you're talking to can see what you're replacing. It'll help some of their instructions/advice make more sense to you, too.
Look closely at the instructions of your faucet set. I installed a Pfister set last night and they expressly told me NOT to use any pipe tape on threads or plumber's putty under the drain assembly (because it might damage the rubber seal they use). Many of these modern units use all compression fittings, and I think plumbers will tell you not to use tape on the threads. So when you're installing a new setup on an older house, be aware of the connections on both sides to make sure you do the right thing. Some newer faucets are surprisingly easy to install. Almost no tools needed at all.
If there wasn't a pedestal-type sink there before, make SURE there is some kind of backing board behind the drywall for your screws to anchor to. If not, consider adding one. You don't want that pedestal sink pulling away from the wall when your kids grab it.
Get a tube of pure silicon caulking and run a bead along the sink/wall union to keep water from sitting in there and rotting the wood/drywall. Use a wet finger to make a nice, smooth curved bead line.
Great video, thanks! Do it yourself, folks! :)
Excellent suggestions. Thanks for adding to the collective knowledge!
I wish the big box plumbing company we used to install a Pfister compression drain assembly had watched this video and YOUR COMMENT about NOT USING putty or tape, because yesterday they did, even though I GAVE THEM the Pfister instructions. They created a huge leak and - after spending hundreds (they had no idea about pedestals it turns out) - I have decided to do it myself. Purchase an entire new faucet set, remove the pedestal and sink, install it properly, reattach to the wall cuz they didn't do that right, they PUTTIED THE SINK TO THE PEDESTAL! My pedestal is a Kohler Memoirs, I am fed up with plumbers rn. I am def. going to show them your comment IF and when they return.
Thanks for sharing - yes, lots to think about on hose lengths, I honestly will get 3 sizes, as I have learned my guesstimations are 'wrong', then I simply return the wrong sizes.
who doesn't go to hardware store at least once a week
That was an outstanding video and very thoughtful of you to post. Thanks.
Thank you for this video!
I haven't had to deal with the pedstal yet, but the p trap.
I brought $25 worth of parts from one store trying to replace it, those didn't fit.
So I went to another store and it had a P trap set for $1.97.
What a fool I am...but thank you for the video!
I can now avoid more issues with installation.
Great video. It helped me with my Pedestal sink installation.
Nice video brother, made the "same 4 extra trips" that you did! But it's good practice lol. Great video
Good advice. Instead of making multiple trips to the hardware store, I made multiple purchases on Amazon. I also needed a tailpipe extension.
Bob, I think I mis-spoke in the video. I think they are referred to as a slip extension. Check previous comments. I think someone corrected me.
Slip joint extension tube...just saw one today at the hardware store
Thank you for a super helpful video! About to go try this out for the first time. I see a lot of hardware store trips in my future
great video! i just bought a brand new pedestal sink at an estate sale last week this answers all my questions thanks for posting this.
This was very helpful as a supplement to other instructions as you said. I am facing replacing a P trap on my pedestal sink that is leaky and the spare bathroom appears not too far behind. Thank you so much for sharing!
Thank you for your video. It was extremely helpful and much appreciated !
Whenever I do a plumbing project, when leaving the hardware store I say “see ya in a little while”
I needed the pipe extender but didn't know it. Thank you!
Stuff you think don't think of. Very helpful, thanks for making this video.
You just saved my marriage 😂 thanks for the info.
Great explaining of your video..would have liked to have seen your installation in its entirety tho! (smile)
Good video.
Only thing i'd recommend is pipe dope over tape. Ive read tons of reviews and the dope has seen like the better choice. Ive never had an issue anytime ive used it.
I'd recommend rectorseal T plus 2(little thick and hard to use honestly, but WORKS) or Hercules Megaloc thread sealant
Yes I always use Dope Much easier
Thanks so much for these helpful tips.
Thanks; great video; kinda completed the scenario of what to assemble and in the right order !
That's why you have to go through plumbing bro!!
Just trying to help NEWBIES You dont just slip that in the wall it requires a a nut & washer to seal that from leaking. Also at 5:17 "Friction FIT"? it needs a Hand tighting of the nut to compress the tapered O ring inside. Plus its now 2022 most are using silicone in place of plumbers putty on the drain assembly contact with sink basin. Plumbers putty is a thing of the past with Most sinks now FYI
FYI don't use putty on pop-up drains as it will damage the rubber washers.
Great video. Thanks!
They are not 'friction fit', they are compression fit. Your horizontal drain into the wall cavity should be fixed, and not move at all. Never use Teflon tape on plastic fittings.
Thank you. I need to install what appears to be the same model.
Thanks for sharing. This is very helpful.
Nicely thought out and presented.
thx for sharing,,, for me was easy to undastand so helpful cheers mate
Not a pro plumber here, but done plenty of plumbing over the years. That back end of the p-trap, where it
enters the wall is a leak waiting to happen. That should be a slip-joint fitting and should have a washer and a large nut to tighten it all together. Just sayin'
Interesting. Been in the house for 17 years and nothing has changed. No leaks. Feels like a friction fit type of fitting. When I push it in, I can feel pressure around the edge of the pipe as it goes in...but not super tight. Plumbers, what say ye?
I thought so too. Obviously not causing a problem in this situation but best practice would be to install as you mentioned especially since connection is in wall and can't see drips/leaks should they occur.
Agreed. Theres no way a pipes ever suppose to move back and forth freely like that when ur done
Now this was helpful.
I think I can do this. Thank u. I saved this so I could go back to it
Carla Rodriguez you certainly can and will be successful!
I am pretty sure you are suposed to have a compression fitting where the pipe goes into the wall, I do not think it should just slide. Without some type of seal on the pipe that slides into the wallyou will have water backup, a leak. Drain lines are low pressure and gravity feed. However, all connection on drain line require mechanical sealing. I have not ever seen a slipe fit drain line!! Also gasses can leak into the room around a slip fiied joint Hope this helps.
Thanks for the insight. We’ve lived in the home for 19 years, but the sink is rarely used. That said, I’ll look into seeing what we can do to get this shored up. Thanks for the comment. I agree.
This was helpful! Thanks!
Very helpful !! & I'm sure Someone will take that old Sink off Your hands, if They're looking for something a bit more FANCY !!! 🚰 👍🏻😀
Super helpful. Thank you!
If no stud, use wall anchors. Had to look name up, always called them "wall stoppers" lols. I know they exist for drywall, should have some for wood panels. If not, cut U-shape around sink and insert into drywall. After painting of course.
Think twice about installing a pedestal sink! They're a real PIA to work on once installed because the wrench clearances are horrible making it a necessity, in many cases, to remove the sink entirely to replace anything attached to it! Installing it to bead board is only as good as the hold the bead board has to the wall which is "iffy" unless the vertical on the bead board aligns exactly with (over) the two studs you really want to attach to.
I like them. I use a bracket and screws. I’ve never not been able to use at least one stud. Togglers for drywall anchors. Both of mine are self supporting so I can remove the pedestal for easy access. The pedestal just adds strength.
Nobody tell me how to remove the pedestal to repair the pipes underneath! Not one single video I have found explains this.
How do I take the pedestal out? I think mine is bolted to the floor.
Donald Drennan I wish I could help you. My pedestal sink was just caulked to the floor, not bolted. I did have to use a plumbers wrench to remove the water pipes that connected to the faucet up underneath the sink.
Super late reply but it is very possible it was bolted to floor or construction adhesive. OR BOTH! lol. Some pedestals require bolting to floor in installation.
Thank you for making the video, it is extremely helpful.
That old sink is beautiful
Why are you retiring it?
No worries, the sink has found a new home and their owners love it even more than we did.
I have an issue. The pipe out of the wall is 1-1/2 inch. The faucet piping is 1-1/4. The sink is 7.5" from the wall, but my piping is about 8.5" from the wall. How do I reduce 1" of distance? I heard those accordian pipes are not to code.
Connorz , I’m sorry. I’m not a plumber, so can’t really answer your question. Maybe someone else who’s watched this video might able to help.
Well done, thank u.
Have watch a couple of other videos as well. Would like 2 know if any type of "cushioning" should b put between pedestal & basin, e.g.a bead of silicon or similar?
Any input is appreciated. Tnx
I didn’t put anything in between the basin and pedestal. Haven’t had any issues, but I would certainly invite others to comment to see if there are situations where this might be helpful.
Thank you
I prefer the old sink 😏
Use Pvc rather than Chrome over Steel Pipe, which will rust. Meaning you're back to disassembling the damņ thing again !
FYI better to use silicone sealer around the drain pipe fitting, plumber's putty is the traditional sealer but it will dry out and leak. Just don't tighten the filling too much or you will squeeze out all the sealer. Also, if you house is correctly built there will be a horizontal 2x4 between wall studs for attaching a sink.
Plumbers putty has never dried out on me. over 40 years... WTF is your problem!
you need a coupling/slip nut on the wall bend
Interesting to see American plumbing services slightly different but same logic.
Thx a million
I think the old sink is much nicer.
Going to start this project in a couple weeks, thanks for the tips. 👍🏽🚰
Do you still have the old pedestal sink available??
Balkis Balkis Yes
Where abouts in the states are you located?
Balkis Balkis Indianapolis, Indiana region
Well.. I'm in Kansas. pretty far away. I absolutely love your old sink. I'm not planning any road trips soon but might consider it. it's beautiful.
Was this cheaper than calling a licensed plumber?
Never priced it out. Always enjoy learning new things, so time and effort wasn’t a concern. Fortunately no issues with the sink since installation.
Excellent...thanks!
When you bought your faucet it doesnt come with water lines hot and cold?
marjomjom correct, it did not.
My Man! Thank you-
helpful, thanks.
Thanks
Thank you for those helpful tips , just one thing , I would need help with , would be how to properly install the pedestal on to the floor ,
Pascal Bergeron in my particular installation, I did not attach the base to the floor. There was no bracket provided with the sink. In effect, the weight of the sink will hold the base in place, but the pedestal is free floating and can be moved around. I have seen in some instances where individuals will caulk around the top and bottom, but I did not do this. Thank you for your question and I invite others to comment if they have different ideas.
Pascal Bergeron you don’t install it to the floor.
Thank you Matt for the helpful clarification and reply.
indylovelace thank you so much ,
The Lowe's video show a hole being drilled into the floor for the pedestal. I suspect that is the case with mine, however I have no idea how to remove it. I can't see how it's attached, but it definitely is. It won't budge, even if I lift up on the sink.
thank you!
Thank you!!!
Thanks!!!!
True.
Pls. Don't be hard on yourself..
Even journeymen plumbers Don't get it the firstl time every time.
Unless your the boss and you have all your guys at the job. That way the boss can pick the who's who of all star brown nose sers .
That will be the driver.
No chrome
Best way to install a pedestal is DON'T install one!!! They are a nightmare to deal with if you have to do drain work later on. A console sink is 100% easier to install and maintain.
Just glue the sink to wall with “Liquid Nails”…
The brackets that came with the sink appear to be doing the job, but liquid nails is certainly an option. I’ve used liquid nails on stone work and it’s held up great for years
Thanks for shearing, great to see people like you.
You pretty much have no idea what's needed to be done. On top of that you have no value for you time.
After 3-4 trips to Home Depot, probably 2 hours of your time at least, and another 3-4 hours to get to the point in video you are, you more than likely realized you need to call a plumber.
This is where someone like me would come in and charge you for all your ignorance.
...I have an inquisitive mind. I like to learn. Learning is a form of enjoyment, so I do value my time. I also like to create short videos where I can help others avoid some of my learnings. Don’t worry, on the big jobs, I always call a plumber. Your job is safe. I have a bathroom remodel underway which will require extensive plumbing modifications. I’ll watch and learn. 😉
yea except that little pos plastic extender is illegal and violates plumbing code in most states....
So what risk could a slip extension pose that would generate a code violation that would make this illegal? Just curious given I’m not a plumber.
seasick
Hack ass
lol