The Stanford Digest EP14 - Bonnie and Clyde "Go Down Together"
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- Richard Stanford reviews Jeff Guinn's book "Go Down Together - The True, Untold Story of Bonnie and Clyde".
Richard also peppers his review with his own personal stories about interactions with some of the persons mentioned in the book, and about living in the city of Dallas during the late 1920's and early 1930's.
This is the real story of Bonnie and Clyde and their troubled times, separating fact from fiction, delivered with cinematic sweep by the author of bestselling true crime biographies of Charles Manson, Jim Jones, and the shootout at the OK Corral.
Bestselling author Jeff Guinn combines exhaustive research with surprising, newly discovered material to tell the real tale of two kids from a filthy Dallas slum who fell in love and then willingly traded their lives for a brief interlude of excitement and, more important, fame. Go Down Together has it all-true romance, rebellion against authority, bullets flying, cars crashing, and, in the end, a dramatic death at the hands of a celebrity lawman.
Purchase "Go Down Together" by Jeff Guinn at www.amazon.com/Go-Down-Togeth...
Also recommended by Mr. Stanford is "Running With Bonnie and Clyde - The Ten Fast Years of Ralph Fults" by John Neal Phillips. Purchase at www.amazon.com/Running-Bonnie...
Produced by SyncLab Media synclabmedia.com
Host - Richard Stanford
Director / Camera / Editor - Mark Neace
Executive Producer - Scot Duke
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Fascinating interview I have lived in Dallas for 67 years. As a teenager, I became very interested in learning all I could about Clyde and Bonnie ... and about their family members. I am still learning about them! Clyde and Buck are buried less than a mile away from my apartment.
Well your not going to learn nothing from this video because it's wrong on about everything. Bonnie' s sister came out with a book before she passed away read that one.
That's awesome I live near killeen and I would love to visit their graves. I became interested in them when I was 14 in 87 ever since then I soaked up everything I could find. Very interesting
I say this with upmost respect: I "believe" the shootout at Joplin happened at an upstairs garage apartment the gang had rented for several days, not at a motel court like in Platte City. The roll(s) of undeveloped film were found in the Joplin garage apartment.
Yes that's true.
Winna winna chicken dinna!!!
Yes, your right.
This guy is fumbling
He’s wingin this or something…he & we are the prison system.. he left a lot out there.. it was a Farm.. it was a fuckin slave camp
No, Richard; Blanche ACTUALLY said that the movie’s portrayal of her made her look like, quote, “a screaming horse’s ass,” and I couldn’t agree more; how Estelle Parsons won an Oscar for that performance is way beyond me
What Blanche was led to believe would be an accurate portrayal of her and what was on screen were entirely different, which understandably upset her. I too wouldn't have reacted well to having my personality and demeanor so distorted.
@@msr1116
Unfortunate that the script read one way and the acting/directing went another way. Beatty showed Blanche the script and she bought into it. She definitely didn't like the way she was portrayed in the movie.
In real life, Blanche was a
beautiful woman. Wish they would have gotten a nice looking brunette actress to play her.
@@northernlight4614 .....a big drawback of signing a contract in these sorts of cases without proper legal counsel....bec once it's signed, there's pretty much free reign to alter the character. A number of other similar misrepresentations have occurred and will continue to, unfortunately. Blanche seemed like a really cool lady to know.
@@northernlight4614 Blanch saw the Script early on and liked the Script. But it was changed and she was very upset with Warren. Like to see a law that only allows a movie to use "Based on a True Story" if it's only based by a true story. Blanch died of Lung Cancer. Can't believe how much Jail time Blanch served.
@@calken546
Way too much jail time! She never fired or probably never even held a gun. She was with Buck and therefore an accomplice to many crimes.
I heard in one interview that the photo of Blanche with dark glasses and riding breeches -- once she was apprehended and in which she looks like she is resisting arrest -- was actually a reaction on her part to the photo being snapped of her at that moment She could not see well due to the shards of glass in her eyes and she apparently mistook the camera for a shotgun, thinking she was about to be shot with a gun, not a camera. That is why she looks to be yelling "No!"
You're absolutely right.
Enjoyed this very much I've become fascinated with the subject of Bonnie and Clyde
j’ai bien aimé ce documentaire, merci de l’avoir partagé, bonjour à tous.
A very good documentary! Thank you.
Jeff Guinn is greatness.
I am currently reading this book, having purchased it on Amazon. I own several books on the subject of Bonnie and Clyde, and I believe this book by Jeff Guinn is by far the best, most comprehensive, and well written one I've had the pleasure of reading. Just can't put it down, but I don't want it to end! Also would recommend Blanche Barrow' s memoirs. I would HIGHLY recommend Guinn's book!👍
I've read Guinn's book as well and I think its the best I've read on B&C.
@@northernlight4614 😊👍
I agree.
He's wrong WD Jones was still living to when the movie came out he was with Bonnie Clyde Buck and Blanche during those shoot outs then WD got shot and killed in 1974.
He was scumbag.. fer real
The shotgun used to kill the 2 Joplin peace officers was bought for 80 Grand and is now on display 8 miles away at the Galena (Kansas) Pawn shop.
Go Down Together is a terrific book Jeff Guinn always does a good job putting things into local as well as historical context.
Thanks for the recommendation of the Ralph Fults book.
Bonnie and Clyde twice robbed a little store hete in Baxter Springs, Kansas, that no longer exists. All that remains is a green grass corner lot, about 5 blocks north of Route 66 on 12th Street. They hit it once leaving tow, headed north possiblybto Coffeyville, where the Daltons died, and then coming back into town. I forget the owner (long deceased.)
That's the one they robbed and paid them back. Paid them alot extra to not report the robberies.
On the day Bonnie and Clyde were killed, apparently Bonnie's wounded leg had a horrible smell coming off of it.
It must have been "south of cheese" and well on the way to gangrene.
So, by the time the ambush happened, their days were numbered as a couple.
Speculation that, if the ambush had not have occurred, Bonnie would have either died or had to have her leg removed.
Either way, it doesn't seem logical that she would have been able to run with Clyde for much longer, maybe another week or so.
Excellent
I have watched this video twice now very interesting facts
Cary, Thanks for returning to make a comment.
What a wonderful storyteller Mr. Stanford is. The clear, measured and knowledgeable way he weaves the story together is so enjoyable. Thank you
I must have been watching something else..
Well done.
I always find it amazing how people try to justify the actions of cutthroats like Bonnie and Clyde and others as being a result of the Depression or rough upbringing or whatever. Hundreds of thousands of other people went through the same dirt poor existence (and still do) as Bonnie and Clyde yet did not ruthlessly leave dead bodies in their wake wherever they went. They were cold blooded killers and they got what they deserved in the end. I don't care if Bonnie "pulled the trigger" on Texas Highway Patrol Motor Officers Edward Bryan Wheeler and H.D. Murphy or not. She was there. She acted in concert with the other two and she was just as guilty. She did not try to stop the execution nor did she attempt any aid to them. Personally I believe Bonnie's finger was on the trigger of this and many of the other shootings they were involved in. It would be pretty ignorant to think otherwise. Bonnie and Clyde were hunted down like rabid dogs because that's the life they chose for themselves. Their life and death were no one's fault but their own.
I’ve always been interested in this subject. I was also able to google earth a bunch of the locations he mentions in this interview.
This "host or narrator"is wrong on gibsland,La. as the ambush site.
Bonnie and Clyde were killed South of Mt.Lebanon, close to crossroads called Sailes.
It is in the middle of nowhere!
I was expecting a book review and got all kinds of interesting landmarks in the bargain. Being a native Texan living in Dallas I feel a bit guilty for not knowing more about this infamous era. Thanks for the summary and book recommendations.
Thanks...hope you will stay tuned. Hope to have more on the History of Dallas.
Richard would you video the buildings and the bridge while you can please?
Excellent book!
There is NOTHING "untold" of Bonnie and CLyde.
Interesting historical note: Not sure if still occurring today, but for at least 6 decades following the 1934 demise of B&C, many a Texas Lawman have made an after dark stop by the Western Heights Cemetery on Ft Worth Ave @ Navarro St in West Dallas to p!$$ on Clyde Barrow’s grave. Allegedly one such stop occurred in 1992 following a few Shiner Boch drafts at the old DPA club in downtown Dallas.
Apartment garage in Joplin, MO is still there. Missouri Highway Patrol history has the statement of a Trooper who was part of the Joplin shootout. He took cover behind a tree and said Bonnie came out of the garage door firing a Browning Automatic Rifle at him. This could show Bonnie was capable of killing and not just along for the ride.
Right or wrong, rather than risk a full tilt fight, Ranger Hamer was determined not to take them alive. It was a hard, dirty, dangerous time for many folks. We cannot discern it by today's mores or sensibilities. Anymore than Jesse James was some sort of 19th century Robin Hood. Not very likely.
That’s correct.. while I get why Clyde Did what he did.. there was NO REASON. To kill ANY Civilians. Or the two officers at grapevine. I think Bonnie Was a true mental case.. who BTW Didn’t Like Bathe.. thers a fact fer ya..
Fortunes' book has received a good deal of criticism because it's not impartial.
It was co-authored by Bonnie's mother and Clyde's sister.
But how often are close family accounts of this sort ever impartial? Family protects family when harsh truths threaten to cast a bad light on the entire group of them.
@@msr1116
Agreed. And it was the first book to come out so they wanted to set THEIR story out there first.
No book is impartial because they are written by humans wanting fame and fortune, like Bonnie & Clyde
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
Sure, but there are many who care about the facts.
They don't necessarily sensationalise in their writing.
That book irresponsible
Warren Beattie was way too tall to portrait Clyde Barrow. Clyde was only 5' 7".and Bonnie was really petite, 4'11" and only 90 lbs.
I try to imagine how hard it was just living on daily basis back in the early 1900s, if we have to go to the bathroom we just use the nearest toilet to us whether we are at home, at the grocery or hardware store. Very few even had running water. So when Bonnie&Clyde started their "Armed robbery" career just imagine the logistics. They had to have a reliable vehicle, they had to keep it fueled( those high speed chases had to be costly) they had to get weapons and ammunition which had to be extremely difficult because there was always a reward out for them. How they lasted even that long tells that Bonnie, Clyde, or both of them were very intelligent. Bonnie wrote some very compelling poetry. Yes robbing and killing is the ultimate wrong as is ALL illegal activities and Bonnie and Clyde deserved their ending. They took the lives of police officers who had family and friends who loved them. They stole money and cost other civilian lives and caused untoldgrief to somanyfamilies. With their "intelligence" and survival skills during one of the toughest times in American history they could have done so much including raise a great, law abiding family.
Dream on. They Superstars today
The Warren Beatty version was the worst of all of them. At least today when a biopic is done they try to get actors that resembled the real-life characters. With all the information that already existed back in 1967, where did Beatty get the idea that Clyde got out of the car during their ambush? The first shot killed Clyde instantly. If they were to do a Bonnie and Clyde movie today they need not look any further than Tom Holland to play Clyde. They're the same height and the resemblance is uncanny.
That Beatty got out of the car was more than likely the screenwriters' choice, or director Arthur Penn's. I agree the film took liberties, and I didn't care for some of the casting. But overall, I think the film has merit. It was rather breakthrough and seemed to capture the essence of the times and some of the characters. Estelle Parsons as Blanche, notwithstanding. The cinematography and soundtrack were outstanding.
Yes
They look exactly alike
WD Jones was also alive when the 68 movie came out also
67
@@ftlshome1 oh ok
I have visited both Bonnie's and Clyde's graves
I always recommend the book FUGITIVES, by Jan Fortune, it is the story as told by Emma Parker { Bonnie's mother } and Nell Barrow { Clyde's sisiter } in my opinion the best book ever written on the subject of B&C, it gives great insight into their early lives and beyond by people that lived it and were close to the couple, this book being published just a few months after their deaths gives the freshest view in my opinion, Nell don't pull punches in this book, nor does Emma for that matter, they give a first hand view of the couple, Fortune spent almost a year meeting with the two and interviewing them for the book, I personally am not a fan of Jeff Guinn, when it came time to add his little twist, he throws out there that Bonnie may have been a prostitute...lol, which is something totally unsubstantiated and there is no proof what so ever to that accusation, I think its funny when some authors give a kind of " back seat ride version " when they were not there or even born yet for that matter, I myself try not to get a good read confused with factual information, JMO...
Guinn claims that the Barrow and Parker families were pretty upset about how Fortune's book turned out.
John Neal Phillips said sections of the book were plagiarized from detective magazines. Another case of embellishments to add drama and distort reality.
@@northernlight4614 Guinn is wrong AGAIN!..the only one that complained was Marie..Clyde's youngest sister, because she was doing her own book and wanted to discredit FUGITIVES, note...she waited until all her family members were dead before she decided to do a book of her own, that way she would face no repercussion from her family and tell her story the way SHE wanted you to believe it, Marie had an extensive criminal record, I believe she has done things Clyde would not have thought of doing, anyone who has read Marie's book by Phillip Steel knows that book is full of BS starting at the beginning, let's be real...Guinn is a fiction writer so he can produce a good read, but never get a "good read" confused with factual info, in my opinion, Guinn is a hack...on a scale of 1 to 10.... I give him a minus 9...the guy is full of crap!....Also, keep this in mind on the credibility of FUGITIVES...that book was used in a court of law to help convict many people during the harboring trials in 1935, the book was used to convict the mothers and several others!.....
@@muddbosss
Guinn is a very respected investigative journalist, not just a good fiction writer.
Mother Sister xaggerated stories.
I came upon a book at a yard sale called The Strange History of Bonnie & Clyde by John Treherne. It contains many acknowledgements & quite a large bibliography. It came out in 1986. Do any of you know of this book? Is it a reliable resource of information? Thanks in advance for anything you can tell me about this book.
It exposes the lies about the ambush… the police tied up Methvin so he would be there to stop Bonnie and Clyde
@lisaanders9686 Could you elaborate on that, please? I mean, did they tie up the father who had the truck that appeared to have a flat, or the son and Barrow gang member? I'm not familiar with the book in question. Ty.
Good book but found him anti Hamer and Frank knew there was but one way to stop them and it wouldn't be pretty.
Third of 3: They killed Constable Cal Campbell at an unmarked crossroads, 13 miles west of me, on Commerce, Oklahoma...then kidnapped the wounded Officer Percy Boyd and dropped him off in Fort Scott Kansas. Outside the Commerce Cop Shop is a huge splaque telling the entire story. Both peace officers are buried on Route 66 in the GAR Cemetary in Miami, Oklahoma.
Everyone is an expert.
I'm sorry, the book came out in 1984. The paperback (I have the paperback) came out in 1986.
My wife is a relative of bonnie's.
where I can read this book 'go down together' free
pls answer
www.amazon.com/Go-Down-Together-Untold-Bonnie/dp/1416557075
Try calling area libraries
If i had lived back then with the way things were, i would of became a bank robber myself,,,, people were starving, and i dont mean just ready for supper either , they were starving !
Well, being a bank robber is not worthy of praise of any kind, the true heroes of the period were those that managed to crunch out a living without having to put a gun in someone's face and taking theirs, and there were millions more of them than there were bank robbers!...
It's what has been occurring during major economic downturns for a long long time now and will continue to. People lose hope, get desperate and resort to crime they otherwise wouldn't do.
Was your comment, “and I don’t mean just ready for supper” a reference to a line from the movie, “Hombre” with Paul Newman?
Does anyone know what happened to the cigar that Bonnie had in her mouth? No? Well, ta tell ya the truth, I think that I have it. Wanna see it?
seems to me to be the very much told story
I still like C.W. Moss!
fictitious character - no such person
Don’t watch. He’s wrong on things.
Really low power weaponry.. humph btw that’s NOT the time they ended up on a donkey
It’s an interesting story but we have to keep in mind Clyde was an evil murderer. He took many lives. He destroyed many families and created chaos. Bonnie was an accomplice we should not idolize them.
Well .. yeah .. but what the penal system did to Clyde was damn near as bad as what he did.. keep mind cops / C.O.s didn’t have body cams in the 30s ., and the law was whatever the cop’s said it was .. still plenty of that today .. just sayin
Did bonnie have a relationship with buck behind Clyde's back ?
What the hell
No
Blanche would have killed her
Brutal to watch.. he’s really wingin it.. not so good ..at all
Needs B roll. Too much talking head
Was there a FBI agent who flim the ambush.
No it was a Dallas Cop./ Detective.. some news organization gave him the camera to document their capture/ Ambush.. can’t remember his name . Ted something or a nuther
@@donaldleavy4379Ted Hinton
It’s not the smoke around from gunfire it’s from one of them smoking
At the ambush
It's a bummer that you can insinuate that Bonnie couldn't have shot the police officers on the motorcycles but then you admit you do not know who shot the officers and you make a guess. Try this we do not know who shot the police officers we have one witness who says it was a little person.
it has been established that Henry Methvin & Barrow killed the 2 cops - Bonnie was in the car with the bunny - 2 witnesses testified - Hamer and crew made up the story because they knew that they would be killing Bonnie along with Clyde, so they needed to counter the sympathy for a girl who never killed anybody - same with Ma Barker - she was killed in the gun battle in January 1935 - the FBI fabricated the story of her leading the gang and planning the hold-ups, all tales told after her death - Alvin Karpis was the gang's leader - Ma Barker was the cover to deflect detection - she merely travelled with her criminal sons and washed their clothes
@@viktorzavadsky4746 no it hasn't if it has it's only been established by you and a couple other people. One person did The Killing
@@viktorzavadsky4746 there was only one witness.
@@viktorzavadsky4746 you are full of crap, you talk as if you were standing right there when it happened
@@viktorzavadsky4746 saying it don't make it true. Bonnie and Clyde are responsible for thirteen murders nine of them police officers. Outside of the criminals there was only one witness quit making bulshit up