Incredible story of fraud. How do some people sleep at night, obviously very well. Sad some people can be this way. Love the channel. Keep up the great content !
Allegations of theft against someone who works with seniors can be catastrophic to that person's business. It is crazy that anyone involved with services to seniors would risk such an accusation as this video indicates. It's just not theft but also credit card fraud and possibly other crimes. Some states specifically bar individuals who have been convicted of fiduciary crimes from working with elders. I predict that in the long run, this situation is going to cost Ossen a lot more than 5300 bucks he ripped off.
Reguarding the VC overseas limited edition: I think the difference is provenance, in that you pay $25k for the watch and $500k for the back story. Provenance is usually the reason these watches go for skyscraper prices. 2000 people have the watch, but only one of them has the story.
So nice to see a watch channel genuinely trying to look after its viewers with great advice. Look at what is going on over at The Timeless Watch channel right now, which serves to show fraud can happen to absolutely anybody
Regarding stolen watches, we've all seen what happened even among popular watch youtubers, where they purchased watches and promised to pay after receiving the watches, but they never intended to pay them afterwards. Or they received watches for reviews and then "forgot" to return them back. That's just sick and these people, together with the "investors", are ruining this watch community.
"Wrestle with pigs means you'll both be covered in shit except the pig likes it..." That has to be one of the most amazing idioms I've ever heard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I watch every video that you guys put out. My favorite watch channel by far! Keep up the great work guys. Always fantastic to see the chemistry between the two of you.
I got hustled like this in 2018 for $3400. Took the guy to small claims court and LOST because I didn’t have Christian’s lawyer-sense of organizing evidence. Hearing his name still enrages me. Money gone, lessons learned, world keeps turning. Can’t wait for part 2
When you said that your wonderful mother had put her money into your account because she felt responsible it brought a tear to my eye because my wonderful mother, who has sadly gone home to her lord and saviour, would have done the same thing. If I was in your situation, trust me... those two gentlemen would have been begging for the police to save them.
Love the fraud story but not at your expense. So many low lives out there, very interested on how it ended. I myself had an issue once with a expensive transaction and fortunately the seller was a gentleman and it was resolved in a few days. I also agree sometimes pay a little fee and sleep well that same night. Great info guys to the community, Jeff.
Wow, what a crapy thing to have happen. One of the things I value most in a person is integrity… I live by my word and have done many deals on a hand shake, it is sad that not everyone can be like this.
This is the same for the British Royal Mail service. By law once its out of their sorting office and on a van to be delivered they have to send it to the address. I found this out the hard way also.
Anxiously awaiting to hear the resolution! Thieves and dishonest people absolutely send me to the moon INSTANTLY. I understand your demeanor and frustration. :) Sympathetic party here.
A buddy of mine lost a PP. Received bank wire from a buyer on FB. He shipped the watch. Bank reversed the wire transaction after 3 days. Watch was delivered by FedEx next day. His mistake he did not notice shipping destination was a convenience store that provided parcel pickup service and not a home address.
All forum/reddit sellers seem to say they only accept friends and family or crypto. A lot of them don't want to pay income tax on the sales of the watches and with the new tax laws that can only be avoided with F&F payments or crypto. But I agree it's very dumb to send a stranger $10k with no buyer protection no matter what their reputation is. You could be the transaction they decide to break from their reputation.
Hard to do for buyers if you are not purchasing a watch in person, when the seller will only accept a bank wire, or what you describe above, etc.. Still have to buy the seller over the watch, even if its a rare grail and you have to wait longer. I've never bought from T&H but I have inquired, and they were certainly cordial. I think I passed because they didn't have any movement pics (which to be fair, are hard to get from almost any seller and that should change, this was a few years ago). I'm wondering exactly how these guys scammed T&H by using a credit card, my guess is it wasn't in their name, probably a phony business or something. Definitely interested to hear what happened.
Ugh man, i’m so sorry that happened. The main lesson I learned from my time in law enforcement is that bad people do bad things to good people every single day, and that’s never not going to be the reality of life. Even the people in your life that you consider to be good people, some of them surrounding you are just bad people and the only incentive they need to stab you in the back is the opportunity.
Just a slight precision on the two Everest Overseas, they are actually limited to 150 pieces each, and only allocated to serious existing VC customers. In this conditions, I’d say that this doesn’t diminish by any means the value of the piece unique, these are so rare and limited that you’d hardly ever come by another one. Also the RRP for the dual time is technically 25k$, it’s definitely not available to the general public at that price …I’d guess that if ever one shows up on the second hand market it’ll be multiples of that RRP. Let’s put that into perspective, the DT Everest is rarer than the Tiffany Nautilus !
Cliffhangers? Cliffhangers? You boyz got cliffhangers? Ugh.. Fraud is one of the most insidious of crimes because it preys on people's generosity. As the "worse case scenario guy" in my business, I'm always hyper-vigilant... and to be honest... it's sometimes exhausting but I sleep better at night (maybe because I'm exhausted). You folks are in a tough business, I tip my hat to T&H! Great story, Christian.
Robbed here, on 3 separate occasions. 1 met a bumble girl had her over… when she arrived it became clear she was a “pro” I asked her to leave and she was pissed she wasn’t getting paid. A week later she texted me apologizing and said she was meeting a friend nearby but her friend was late and she had nowhere to wait (it was freezing and raining), I let her wait in my living room with me until letting her know I had to leave, she followed me out and must have just put a card in the door or something so it didn’t auto lock like it should have. She doubles back and cleared out 80% of my collection including really special watches that I loved that were mildly valuable, and watches I had for investment that were extremely valuable including a pair of 6263 panda and reverse panda, a 15400 rose, a 15400 steel with blue and a 15500 white dial, a 39mm explorer, a Cermit (ceramic kermit), a rose DD with linen dial, 3 vintage tudors, and my personal favorite watches that I spent a ton of time and effort acquiring what I think was the only complete set in existence of Vintage Bulova royal oaks, white dial blue dial, two tone white dial, and gold and champagne dial. Don’t get me wrong losing hundreds of thousands in watches was traumatizing, but worse was when I found her on an escort service offered her 50,000k to bring them back and she said “i know you’re setting me up cus they were all fake and I could barely get 5000 for them. Obviously when she brought them to whoever he knew right away they were stolen and she had no idea what she had, so to think someone got all my watches by stealing from a thief that really sucks. Then I also got ripped off from chrono24 TWICE. Bought two Tudor snowflakes, one the guy edited the photos to change “Swiss made” on the dial to t Swiss t … if u don’t know a 7016 with a service dial isn’t worth 1/5th of one with an original, and 9401 turned out to have a replicated Tudor stamped 2842 I think is the movement - so yea it’s a lot easier to lose close to half a mill in watches than you’d think. Insurance helped but obviously I still took big losses, and worst of all I lost a lot of the passion for watches.
The level of trust in the watch community is insane. Fortunately there’s an awesome forum in Canada with so many amazing trusted sellers/buyers. I’ve been there for 12 years and never a single scam resulting in a monetary loss. Best way to protect yourself is accept bank wires only. Even after seeing money deposited, call your bank and confirm it was a wire and not a third party in-branch deposit. Once a wire is accepted by the receiving bank and deposited, there’s virtually nothing the sender can do to get the money back.
Hey, love your channel. Just about the Vacheron Auction...I was a guy who cheered in my early days too, even whilst at home (with a few drinks) whilst bidding, BUT I quickly became one of the subdued types when that "rush" of victory is replaced by the thought of those RAPACIOUS commissions. Speaking of which, how about you do a video on how the industry has come to accept the outlandish commission structure where both Sellers & Buyers, as in the history of Antiquorum's early days when those commissions were actually acceptable given the small market & work involved for Antiquorum. Cheers!
Great discussion (as always). And very cool to have been there with a friend for the Cory Richards VC…bet it was a heck of a night celebrating afterwards!
I'm not a big credit card guy, but how did he initially pay for the watch via card only for the payment to not go thru? Shouldn't you only deliver the watch once the payment is good?
He said it in the beginning. They charged it back. Meaning that the buyer not only got their money back, but the SELLER incurred the cost of that money being given back to the buyer. He actually got hit twice, basically.
@@EthanRom It’s supposed to protect the buyer in the case of fraud, but anymore it only helps to perpetrate fraud against sellers, by buyers. There’s not much they can do as sellers because, like they explained, it’s going to cost them twice as much to collect on it. This final resort by them is really the only thing they can do. Now the bad part is, this probably could open this guy up to a lawsuit from the Ossens (I am not a lawyer so I could be completely wrong buuut, with how things seem to be going these days, I could see it, sadly.) for harassment. Even if he’s morally in the right.
I own a small dog poop clean up business, almost every month someone bails on payment and ghosts me on the follow up. It's only ever $50-$100 at a time but over the years it really adds up. I always go back and forth on returning everything I cleaned, but I can't risk the bad reviews, so I just simmer. If you guys want access to any amount of dog shit just hit me up. We can work on the cross country delivery but I'll give a good deal. I'm talking hundreds if not thousands of pounds if you want to send it to someone
Working as a Chargeback Analyst for a company, people will do anything to get over. Payments from over 10 months aren't truly secured. Even if the transaction is tokenized it's not a sure thing. Tokenized transactions are the best bet against chargebacks.
@@donkykon2094 I wonder, is it a life of inadequacy and rejection that has led you down the path of being unpleasant to strangers online for no reason?
Just giving you a quick update : Michael Ossen did it again. Ordered stuff (several times) from our brand and blocked withdrawals after reception. He's a thieve and a scammer, and he needs to go to jail. I'm confident he did this with several other people.
Not surprised. fraud happens in every industry especially one-on-one transactions like that. That sucks but it's good to learn from these interactions.
On the seller's side, it's also risky transacting with the 3% PayPal fee because the buyer could make a claim saying he never received the watch. And I hear PayPal usually sides with the buyer.
Working in public service Ive had many experiences with people who cant be shamed or embaressed and have no capacity for personnel reflection or improvement.The only solace to be had in this situation is the possibility these perps will lose more money because of their new notoriety than they made stealing Christians watch.
the VC everest is one of my al time fave's. If I could find a time and place to purchase the limited run of the steel... I'm doing it. the original is out of my grasp
My favorite watch is the VC Overseas Everest Dual Time, but no chance to get it. It was sold out first day cause only 150 were made. It has an MSRP in the 30k range and it was sold out in a blink of an eye. I'm trying to find a place to sell me the blue Overseas Dual Time even though I have no purchase history with any VC.
I bought a watch from a guy using Paypal. he wanted me to use Paypal Friends and Family. He was very specific. I had never heard of that before and looked into. Well with Paypal Friends and Family you have no recourse. He could have easily ripped me off. So I insisted on using normal Paypal. I did get my watch but it was pretty nerve wracking.
I had the same thing happen to me selling a magic deck. Kid buys deck i ship it out. A day later the kids dad wants to return it while its in the mail because he claimed the kid used his credit card without asking. Thats not my problem so i say no. Deck gets delivered and they charge back their card. Paypal destroys them and i keep the money
Building a watch community is important. We have one in Shanghai where we meet and trade watches. Redbar Sh. I wouldn’t buy second hand watches from anyone who is not in that group.
This comment is much newer than the video. Just fell into watch obsession, maybe in past two weeks. I have hobby addiction/obsession problems so in two weeks time I've absorbed more than most people would, what's the deal with an Oris Kermit watch(haven't locked onto many ref #s yet).
Some some people got in touch with me as you after I wrote a comment on one of your videos telling me that I won a Rolex because he picked my comment and they wanted my personal information to send the watch .Of course I didn’t believe it and they’ve sent me one of your pics taken with someone to convince me that it was you
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Incredible story of fraud. How do some people sleep at night, obviously very well. Sad some people can be this way. Love the channel. Keep up the great content !
Keep showing the names and faces to make these dirt bags famous on each video you make to not let this be forgotten.
“More text on the dial, the better”? Michael is insane, nobody else in the world feels that way haha 😂
Said nobody ever.......until now 🤣
I mean it depends on the watch. I prefer more text on watches with larger dials just to fill in some of the empty space.
i come for the watch content, i stay for the banter. you cant script this stuff. hilarious
Allegations of theft against someone who works with seniors can be catastrophic to that person's business. It is crazy that anyone involved with services to seniors would risk such an accusation as this video indicates. It's just not theft but also credit card fraud and possibly other crimes. Some states specifically bar individuals who have been convicted of fiduciary crimes from working with elders. I predict that in the long run, this situation is going to cost Ossen a lot more than 5300 bucks he ripped off.
Sure he’s lifted many more Rolexes from his clients
Doubt it. What are the chances any of his clients are watching this video?
Reguarding the VC overseas limited edition: I think the difference is provenance, in that you pay $25k for the watch and $500k for the back story. Provenance is usually the reason these watches go for skyscraper prices. 2000 people have the watch, but only one of them has the story.
So nice to see a watch channel genuinely trying to look after its viewers with great advice. Look at what is going on over at The Timeless Watch channel right now, which serves to show fraud can happen to absolutely anybody
What happened over there? That guy rambles too much, I can never finish his videos.
Regarding stolen watches, we've all seen what happened even among popular watch youtubers, where they purchased watches and promised to pay after receiving the watches, but they never intended to pay them afterwards. Or they received watches for reviews and then "forgot" to return them back. That's just sick and these people, together with the "investors", are ruining this watch community.
Yeah, Oisin @ TWC is a thief
"Wrestle with pigs means you'll both be covered in shit except the pig likes it..." That has to be one of the most amazing idioms I've ever heard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This game is ruthless, ready for the next episode! need to hear the conclusion.
I watch every video that you guys put out. My favorite watch channel by far! Keep up the great work guys. Always fantastic to see the chemistry between the two of you.
I got hustled like this in 2018 for $3400. Took the guy to small claims court and LOST because I didn’t have Christian’s lawyer-sense of organizing evidence. Hearing his name still enrages me. Money gone, lessons learned, world keeps turning. Can’t wait for part 2
I bet you have that "lawyer sense" now lmfao. Only takes once to learn the lesson, sucks it was so much in your case though.
ALWAYS NAME NAMES! Shine a spotlight on the cockroaches and watch them run to hide. Thank you for all your content.
When you said that your wonderful mother had put her money into your account because she felt responsible it brought a tear to my eye because my wonderful mother, who has sadly gone home to her lord and saviour, would have done the same thing. If I was in your situation, trust me... those two gentlemen would have been begging for the police to save them.
Love the fraud story but not at your expense. So many low lives out there, very interested on how it ended. I myself had an issue once with a expensive transaction and fortunately the seller was a gentleman and it was resolved in a few days. I also agree sometimes pay a little fee and sleep well that same night. Great info guys to the community, Jeff.
Wow, what a crapy thing to have happen. One of the things I value most in a person is integrity… I live by my word and have done many deals on a hand shake, it is sad that not everyone can be like this.
This is the same for the British Royal Mail service. By law once its out of their sorting office and on a van to be delivered they have to send it to the address. I found this out the hard way also.
Anxiously awaiting to hear the resolution! Thieves and dishonest people absolutely send me to the moon INSTANTLY. I understand your demeanor and frustration. :) Sympathetic party here.
Love how the first word on his LinkedIn "about" section says ... "TRUSTWORTHINESS!"
A buddy of mine lost a PP. Received bank wire from a buyer on FB. He shipped the watch. Bank reversed the wire transaction after 3 days. Watch was delivered by FedEx next day. His mistake he did not notice shipping destination was a convenience store that provided parcel pickup service and not a home address.
All forum/reddit sellers seem to say they only accept friends and family or crypto. A lot of them don't want to pay income tax on the sales of the watches and with the new tax laws that can only be avoided with F&F payments or crypto. But I agree it's very dumb to send a stranger $10k with no buyer protection no matter what their reputation is. You could be the transaction they decide to break from their reputation.
Hard to do for buyers if you are not purchasing a watch in person, when the seller will only accept a bank wire, or what you describe above, etc.. Still have to buy the seller over the watch, even if its a rare grail and you have to wait longer. I've never bought from T&H but I have inquired, and they were certainly cordial. I think I passed because they didn't have any movement pics (which to be fair, are hard to get from almost any seller and that should change, this was a few years ago). I'm wondering exactly how these guys scammed T&H by using a credit card, my guess is it wasn't in their name, probably a phony business or something. Definitely interested to hear what happened.
@@GuyNarnarian sounded like they bought the watch then did a charge back so the money was reversed and they kept the watch... but I could be wrong.
Ugh man, i’m so sorry that happened. The main lesson I learned from my time in law enforcement is that bad people do bad things to good people every single day, and that’s never not going to be the reality of life. Even the people in your life that you consider to be good people, some of them surrounding you are just bad people and the only incentive they need to stab you in the back is the opportunity.
Just a slight precision on the two Everest Overseas, they are actually limited to 150 pieces each, and only allocated to serious existing VC customers. In this conditions, I’d say that this doesn’t diminish by any means the value of the piece unique, these are so rare and limited that you’d hardly ever come by another one. Also the RRP for the dual time is technically 25k$, it’s definitely not available to the general public at that price …I’d guess that if ever one shows up on the second hand market it’ll be multiples of that RRP. Let’s put that into perspective, the DT Everest is rarer than the Tiffany Nautilus !
Cliffhangers? Cliffhangers? You boyz got cliffhangers?
Ugh.. Fraud is one of the most insidious of crimes because it preys on people's generosity. As the "worse case scenario guy" in my business, I'm always hyper-vigilant... and to be honest... it's sometimes exhausting but I sleep better at night (maybe because I'm exhausted). You folks are in a tough business, I tip my hat to T&H! Great story, Christian.
Robbed here, on 3 separate occasions. 1 met a bumble girl had her over… when she arrived it became clear she was a “pro” I asked her to leave and she was pissed she wasn’t getting paid. A week later she texted me apologizing and said she was meeting a friend nearby but her friend was late and she had nowhere to wait (it was freezing and raining), I let her wait in my living room with me until letting her know I had to leave, she followed me out and must have just put a card in the door or something so it didn’t auto lock like it should have. She doubles back and cleared out 80% of my collection including really special watches that I loved that were mildly valuable, and watches I had for investment that were extremely valuable including a pair of 6263 panda and reverse panda, a 15400 rose, a 15400 steel with blue and a 15500 white dial, a 39mm explorer, a Cermit (ceramic kermit), a rose DD with linen dial, 3 vintage tudors, and my personal favorite watches that I spent a ton of time and effort acquiring what I think was the only complete set in existence of Vintage Bulova royal oaks, white dial blue dial, two tone white dial, and gold and champagne dial. Don’t get me wrong losing hundreds of thousands in watches was traumatizing, but worse was when I found her on an escort service offered her 50,000k to bring them back and she said “i know you’re setting me up cus they were all fake and I could barely get 5000 for them. Obviously when she brought them to whoever he knew right away they were stolen and she had no idea what she had, so to think someone got all my watches by stealing from a thief that really sucks. Then I also got ripped off from chrono24 TWICE. Bought two Tudor snowflakes, one the guy edited the photos to change “Swiss made” on the dial to t Swiss t … if u don’t know a 7016 with a service dial isn’t worth 1/5th of one with an original, and 9401 turned out to have a replicated Tudor stamped 2842 I think is the movement - so yea it’s a lot easier to lose close to half a mill in watches than you’d think. Insurance helped but obviously I still took big losses, and worst of all I lost a lot of the passion for watches.
The level of trust in the watch community is insane. Fortunately there’s an awesome forum in Canada with so many amazing trusted sellers/buyers. I’ve been there for 12 years and never a single scam resulting in a monetary loss.
Best way to protect yourself is accept bank wires only. Even after seeing money deposited, call your bank and confirm it was a wire and not a third party in-branch deposit. Once a wire is accepted by the receiving bank and deposited, there’s virtually nothing the sender can do to get the money back.
I have purchased three watches from the site I believe you are talking about. I visit daily.
It’s so disappointing hearing this happened to you. So good you have the balls to let us all know.
“It’s as if Gérald Genta designed a watch for Rolex”. Technically he did design the modern Pash de Cartier. 😂
My favorite thing about this podcast is Theo and his dad. The three of you should do a monthly podcast
Who the fuck is Theo?
they introduce themselves by name every single episode, including text on the screen. who do you think theo is?
@@eastwestminds Their names are Christian and Michael.
@@SOHCorsa nah that's Theo and Harris
Hey, love your channel. Just about the Vacheron Auction...I was a guy who cheered in my early days too, even whilst at home (with a few drinks) whilst bidding, BUT I quickly became one of the subdued types when that "rush" of victory is replaced by the thought of those RAPACIOUS commissions. Speaking of which, how about you do a video on how the industry has come to accept the outlandish commission structure where both Sellers & Buyers, as in the history of Antiquorum's early days when those commissions were actually acceptable given the small market & work involved for Antiquorum. Cheers!
“I don’t look strong, I look lumpy” best part of the episode.
Why not involve the authorities ? With so much proof , this definetely needs to be reported and they have to go to jail.
Lol no one goes to jail dude
Great discussion (as always). And very cool to have been there with a friend for the Cory Richards VC…bet it was a heck of a night celebrating afterwards!
I'm not a big credit card guy, but how did he initially pay for the watch via card only for the payment to not go thru? Shouldn't you only deliver the watch once the payment is good?
He said it in the beginning. They charged it back. Meaning that the buyer not only got their money back, but the SELLER incurred the cost of that money being given back to the buyer. He actually got hit twice, basically.
@@matte2160 damn credit card system be flawed. I’m mostly a debit guy since I hate the idea of owing anybody anything
@@EthanRom It’s supposed to protect the buyer in the case of fraud, but anymore it only helps to perpetrate fraud against sellers, by buyers. There’s not much they can do as sellers because, like they explained, it’s going to cost them twice as much to collect on it. This final resort by them is really the only thing they can do. Now the bad part is, this probably could open this guy up to a lawsuit from the Ossens (I am not a lawyer so I could be completely wrong buuut, with how things seem to be going these days, I could see it, sadly.) for harassment. Even if he’s morally in the right.
Christian, please tell me where that shirt is from?? Thanks 🙏
Someone should post the social media links to the actual scammers (so people with the same names aren't unfairly contacted).
luv ya old man
I own a small dog poop clean up business, almost every month someone bails on payment and ghosts me on the follow up. It's only ever $50-$100 at a time but over the years it really adds up. I always go back and forth on returning everything I cleaned, but I can't risk the bad reviews, so I just simmer.
If you guys want access to any amount of dog shit just hit me up. We can work on the cross country delivery but I'll give a good deal. I'm talking hundreds if not thousands of pounds if you want to send it to someone
Working as a Chargeback Analyst for a company, people will do anything to get over. Payments from over 10 months aren't truly secured. Even if the transaction is tokenized it's not a sure thing.
Tokenized transactions are the best bet against chargebacks.
"my Rolex was robbed". What was stolen from it?
Christian killing me with he cliff hanger!!!!!!
Gotta call out the Scams. Great video!
First?! 😱
luv ya big yellow teeth
@@donkykon2094 🤣😂🤣
@@donkykon2094 I wonder, is it a life of inadequacy and rejection that has led you down the path of being unpleasant to strangers online for no reason?
@@donkykon2094 based
@@classicnickpics465 strangers? yellow teeth and me go way back
Ridiculous this happened to you. Sorry to hear about this. About to check out Part 2
I got scammed out of $300 and filed a police report for which the Police never did anything..I can’t imagine losing anymore than that lol
You guys should do a podcast. Love the content 👏🏽
This is the podcast
@@IdaelDiaz on the podcast apps I meant haha
@@Hussainn27 get TH-cam premium shut off screen... podcast.
Great and shocking story. UPS should have stopped the shipment, shocking!
Just giving you a quick update : Michael Ossen did it again. Ordered stuff (several times) from our brand and blocked withdrawals after reception. He's a thieve and a scammer, and he needs to go to jail. I'm confident he did this with several other people.
Great story you had him 🥶 cold I'm glad you exposed these rat 🐀 bastards
Not surprised. fraud happens in every industry especially one-on-one transactions like that. That sucks but it's good to learn from these interactions.
Just like Michael, I actually like the paragraphs Rolex write on their watches 😅.
Yo Christian. Where can I get that shirt?
Get a shirt... puke on it... you now have that shirt.
At 6:29 the Lange is an 1815 Annual Calendar
That fraud story…unreal.
On the seller's side, it's also risky transacting with the 3% PayPal fee because the buyer could make a claim saying he never received the watch. And I hear PayPal usually sides with the buyer.
That's why you should ship certified or some kind of "signature required" shipping.
@@jazzyrick that doesn't matter they can say you sent them a box of rocks and no way proving you didn't.
Agree. PayPal are not your friends. They side with the buyers to get their cut.
@@BabyJesus66 Many of the larger dealers will actually video them putting a watch in the box and sealing it.
Working in public service Ive had many experiences with people who cant be shamed or embaressed and have no capacity for personnel reflection or improvement.The only solace to be had in this situation is the possibility these perps will lose more money because of their new notoriety than they made stealing Christians watch.
If you go to Kenny Ossen's LinkedIn profile the first word in his about section is trustworthiness which is incredibly ironic.
the VC everest is one of my al time fave's. If I could find a time and place to purchase the limited run of the steel... I'm doing it. the original is out of my grasp
Some people are scum bags. Horrible
Great video and love the inside information on your experiences. Christian, keep biting those pillows-just kidding.
the scammer works at infowars lol
I like text on dials. Makes it appear ‘capable’
Great video. That fraud story was rough to listen to. Sad.
That deposit move by your mother feels familiar. Thank God for great mums.
Who puked on your shirt is the real question. 🤔
My favorite watch is the VC Overseas Everest Dual Time, but no chance to get it. It was sold out first day cause only 150 were made. It has an MSRP in the 30k range and it was sold out in a blink of an eye. I'm trying to find a place to sell me the blue Overseas Dual Time even though I have no purchase history with any VC.
Guy in the uk just got scammed for £19,000 for a hulk.I think they switched watches.
I can relate to the fraud story. One of my (former) distributors ghostly me for $7000 early this year.
I bought a watch from a guy using Paypal. he wanted me to use Paypal Friends and Family. He was very specific. I had never heard of that before and looked into. Well with Paypal Friends and Family you have no recourse. He could have easily ripped me off. So I insisted on using normal Paypal. I did get my watch but it was pretty nerve wracking.
i would've booked a flight to his address as soon as i felt like i was getting robbed.
I had the same thing happen to me selling a magic deck. Kid buys deck i ship it out. A day later the kids dad wants to return it while its in the mail because he claimed the kid used his credit card without asking. Thats not my problem so i say no. Deck gets delivered and they charge back their card. Paypal destroys them and i keep the money
thats not quite the same thing, a mistake was made and they sent it back.
One screen shot show that he works at Infowars. No kidding.
This show is starting to come into its own. Keep it up chumps.
Screwing up is one thing, trying to stiff a small business for 6k is low
The pelagos is a small technical book, sure, though have you seen the Rolex Jubilee Dial? lol
Michael I agree with you about loving text on a dial...when don't nicely it's freaking awesome
Done..(auto correct)
I also think the Pelagos looks amazing with all of the text!! 😂
Agree. While I wouldn’t design a watch with so much text, doesn’t bother me. And apparently it’s a high end watch we mortals can’t actually buy!
Haven't watched Theo and Harris for a while....why does Christian look like a drug smuggler based out of 1960's Havana?
Christian looking like Dov Charney, former CEO of American Apparel.
What a wild story. I can't imagine how angry I would be. Definitely hanging a cliff for the end of this story.
Building a watch community is important. We have one in Shanghai where we meet and trade watches. Redbar Sh. I wouldn’t buy second hand watches from anyone who is not in that group.
On my way to get my Vacheron Fiftysix this week at the NYC location…
Great video. The Lange is the 1815 Annual. Stunning watch.
The Lange you watch spotted is actually a 1815 Annual Calendar
Where is that shirt from :o
NOTHING like seeing 2 guys share a mic...
Michael! Where did you get that shirt????
Huckberry! It’s Wellen seawool
never negotiate with a conman
What is the shirt though? That's super cool looking!
This comment is much newer than the video. Just fell into watch obsession, maybe in past two weeks. I have hobby addiction/obsession problems so in two weeks time I've absorbed more than most people would, what's the deal with an Oris Kermit watch(haven't locked onto many ref #s yet).
What watches do you recommend to celebrate pride month?
Cant you call the cops on them? You have their address you sent it to. You can report them and you have evidence
Oisin at TWC just steals money and watches.l,
Why don't more people in the watch community use USDC?
Best channel on TH-cam - just happens to be about watches.
Oh my god the LinkedIn and social media posts 😳
Some some people got in touch with me as you after I wrote a comment on one of your videos telling me that I won a Rolex because he picked my comment and they wanted my personal information to send the watch .Of course I didn’t believe it and they’ve sent me one of your pics taken with someone to convince me that it was you
Sorry, but the Pelagos does NOT have too much text. It looks perfectly balanced.
Why didnt you involve the police?
Why did harris buy a bottle of wine for 200 dollars then get angry about it?