All you need to do is follow the 💵... "fish" will *never* be included in the animal cruelty legislation because that would open up commercial fishing to legal citation and there's nothing "humane" about the way fish are harvested... even recreational angling might be shut down as imagine arguing that putting a metal hook through the face of a 🐕 or a 🐄 as not being animal cruelty 💯
I’ll check out Surfshark Kris as my current VPN keeps messing up everything on my iPhone and I’ve had to uninstall it, I’m feeling quite naked and exposed without one 😂😂😂😂🦈
@SHARKBYTES We Humans have True Hermaphrodites, and or Not Just Someone Born (because of the Operations at Birth you have to say born with, not has in so many cases) with Ambiguous Genitals (Pseudo Male & Pseudo Female Hermaphrodites 1 in 1200 to generally up to 1 in 2000 depending on the Population) but has One Ovary and One Retained Testicle, with the Testicle normally in Bad Bad Shape with all the Estrogen, Warmth and Pressure, but it only takes one Swimmer, so even the Most Putrid of Retained Testicles can pull of Self Insemination. 5% of people born Hermaphrodites (and or born with Ambiguous Genitals) are True Hermaphrodites, which every so often one gets themselves Pregnant, but we can't have any of that now can we, as Christians it just Blows up the Spot of the Virgin Mary so on any Sight of a Potential True Hermaphrodite they go in and Pull what's in there, which is generally Ovaries or Two Retained Testicles, all for the Christian Religion! 1 in 2500 Males by Autopsy Data have Wombs and Upper Vs (would have lower but they seal that off by sewing them up), it would be like 1 in 1800 but some Atrophy through Development while others are Removed via Operations, and just the Fact you know none of this, shows how the Blind Leads the Blind and you personally lack the Knowledge to be talking about anything like you are the Expert to even a Novice on just about any Subject...
Well sharks and rays are part of the same order unlike snakes and humans. But there IS THE CASE OF THE STURGEN ×PADDLEFISH HYBRIDS. Whose last commkn ancestor was 185 million years ago! And it was a whole slew of healthy hubrids. Look it up! STURDDLEFISH And that took all biologists by Surprise. The one caveot here was that it was done artificially as they mixed up the milts.
Pessimism makes me wonder if the pregnancy was actually some kind of tumor or other medical complications that Ramer chose to ignore in favor of the marketability of a miracle pregnancy, and neglecting a proper diagnosis led to her dearh. Even worse pessimism would be that they chose not to help her because they decided they were done with her. "We got our money, now we're spending it on her care without getting more from visits? Nah. Let's cut our losses here."
So I used to work at the Monterey Bay Aquarium and right before this story came out our swell shark had laid a fertilized egg. She was the only swell shark in the exhibit and the other sharks in there wouldn’t have been able to impregnate her. The only explanation was parthenogenesis. Like you said some species of sharks and rays can do this but it’s never been observed in swell shark. But when this real scientific discovery was happening along comes this stingray and now all eyes were on that! A freaking hoax out shined an actual marvel of science. Also our shark actually had the baby. A girl who hatched in Christmas Eve! I’ve been calling her shark Jesus.
@@shrekwesmobamboo I worked there until last November. I went back to school. But as far as I know the baby swell shark is still behind the scenes. I still have friends who work there so I can ask them if they know anything.
@@ninjagirlD Monterey Bay Aquarium is amazing and in no small part because of people like you. Thanks for sharing this story. Good luck in school and have a great day.
Honestly whether or not they deliberately scammed people, the main takeaway for me is that Charlotte wasn't given adequate medical care. I really hope they get pressured into improving.
She actually died at the end of june , beginning of july , and all that was stated was due to complications or some shit so she never received any of the metal pool care that she needed to survive
Yeah it has. Your hometown should be embarrassed. How dare they allow one scum bag person to expose how gullible almost all human beings are. This isn't embarrassing for your hometown. It's embarrassing for the person scamming human beings and for human beings not applying proper skepticism to their lives
I know it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I remember being in the shell on Dana road and hearing somebody brag about how they came from out of state to see the stingray. Wonder when she's gonna start the 'Charlotte the stingray' go fund me 🤣🤣🤣.
I work at an AZA aquarium that has stingrays so people would come in all the time asking about her. Everyone was so disappointed to hear me tell them there is absolutely no truth to the stingray/shark hybrid. Our stingray aquarists was actually banned by their page for asking questions and trying to educate the public.
It raised huge red flags to me when it wasn't accredited by the AZA. Not every good zoo HAS to be but it definitely made things seem more odd and weird.
@@puddsmax863, *Any* aquarium or zoo---AZA-accredited or no---if they care anything for their animals, absolutely *will* see to it that they are careful in how they keep them. I doubt this was a full-on scam, but the owner took advantage of the stingray's condition and made a sensation out of it, instead of checking to be sure that the animal was okay.
Now Charlotte passed away from the birth defect about 23 hours ago, this aquarium clearly doesn’t care about their animals and used her for money. Rip charlotte
I remember hearing about Charlotte and her "pregnancy". Of course, anyone with a semi-scientific mind didn't think one of the male sharks got her pregnant, but the parthenogenesis idea certainly wasn't out of the realm of possibility. After initially hearing about it, I hadn't paid any attention to the story, so thanks to Kris for talking about it. It's just sad that this was done to boost exposure of the "aquarium" and make more money.
There really shouldn't be unaccredited zoos and aquariums since so many animals can be harmed by people who are only in it for the money and have little to no understanding of these animals.
Did you see the law? "Animal" is only considered non human tetrapods, not all animalia. So I guess you can torture "fish", sharks, stingrays, star fish, Jelly fish, etc. That's messed up
@@whatabouttheearth Since its normal to boil lobsters alive, what do you consider torture? I think even single celled organisms and plants deserve respect as lifeforms equal to higher order animals, but some people insist its okay to eat plants but not animals because the distress function isn't relatable to their brains. I accept that living requires destroying others, but people will rationalize all kinds of things to say they themselves are the only ones acting morally but others aren't.
@@Badficwriter But as heterotrophs where to we draw the line, and as humans with complex systems of morality where do we draw the line. I'm currently a little confused. Ps: You sound like a person who might like the book (and the goal) 'The Great Ape Project'. I suggest buying the used mass market paper back with Dawkins and Gooda first, then looking up the Wiki, then buying the newer book.
@@Badficwriter But as heterotrophs where to we draw the line, and as humans with complex systems of morality where do we draw the line. I'm currently a little confused. Ps: You sound like a person who might like the book (and the goal) 'The Great Ape Project'. I suggest buying the used mass market paper back with Dawkins and Gooda first, then looking up the Wiki, then buying the newer book.
In all likelihood, she was probably desperate to keep the doors open in her "shop." When this happened, she saw an opportunity to increase the necessary patronage, but it appears to have fallen apart. I did notice that this so called aquarium/lab has temporarily closed and the google reviews have been very negative over the past month. I don't believe that she did anything illegal, but she wasn't behaving in an ethical manner.
@@SHARKBYTESJust make sure you link to the websites you take information, sites that did most of the hard work for you. You don’t link to that Assembly article which is where 95% of your information came from. The anaconda quote, the arrest story, all the quotes from scientists, traffic at on the street. You got it all from the same source but you don’t link to it in the description. Why?
Thank you for covering this topic. The behavior of this aquarium has been reprehensible. They are not promoting science nor education. Of course anyone can make a mistake but it is quite another thing to double down on a mistake and to not accept help from experts (scientists and veterinarians). I do not think this was an intentional hoax but rather a mistake that grew out of stupidity. Not all small aquariums are bad but the actions of this one sure are disappointing.
I agree that it sounds like this started as an honest, though foolish, mistake. But then they were unwilling to admit their error, which just made it worse than it should have been.
I cant believe you're covering this. I thought about bringing it up when it first came up. I work across the road from this aquarium. It was nuts the effect this whole shebang had on the town. This "aquarium" is big enough to fit like maybe 10 people inside. The town popped off for a month and there were people in the awful weather waiting hours to get a look for 10 min. This being a scam is kinda funny to me. I couldn't believe the popularity it gained to begin with but it had our business booming for a few weeks. To know the state things were in is gross to hear though.
@@kavemanx420x Thank you for the response. I don't know how her patronage was, but I always hate to see someone lose his or her business. Nonetheless, this publicity that she experienced will not turn out to be a positive one.
@@zingwilder9989 for sure. Ive known it to be a rarely visited place. Most business it seemed to get is if a class of children would drop by after visiting the kids museum or something.(Ive worked there within sight distance of it for 8 years and barely knew the place existed until the whole Charlotte shenanigans.) If she scammed people which seems likely then my sympathy is limited to mainly the employees who are affected.
I'm from NC and I remember my mother coming and telling me about this, and she brought up the male shark impregnation "theory", which was super ridiculous to me. I had no idea this was some huge story in the news and all across the US, honestly it's embarrassing. That owner lady was a total joke. I'm really hoping our laws around fish will change! I had no idea they were so bad
I work across the street from this place and was just flabbergasted. There were hundreds of people wrapped around the sidewalk waiting to get in when the whole "shark potentially caused the pregnancy" was a thing. I found it funny and hard to believe not surprised by the outcome it came to.
It's not just fish "Animal" is only considered non human tetrapods in NC, not all animalia So I guess you can torture "fish", sharks, stingrays, star fish, jelly fish, insects etc. Everything that isn't a tetrapod. That's messed up
So as someone who has worked with reptiles, and even dealt with parthenogenesis on a couple different occasions. Absolutely it can throw off the gestation period, but I've never heard it throwing off the gestation period by months.
Yeah, it's always funny to me when people call places like this an "aquarium," although I've been lucky enough to visit one of the largest aquariums in the world, so I could be biased. Establishments like this just look like pet shops where you can't buy the animals. And I calling them "pet shops" is not a compliment either. I'm using it in a derogatory way.
@@urphakeandgey6308 Those turtles at 14:03 looked like they had neither a heat source nor a place to sun themselves. My boyfriend's late stepmother had kept her yellow-eared slider in much the same way.
How is any non-accredited facility allowed to house animals like this? How are they ensuring that they're receiving good care? EDIT: I understand he has answered this question at the end of the video. I posted this before that
My daughter volunteered at this aquarium and quit because she didn't like her. The lady is odd to begin with. People do stupid shit for money and attention. I hope she stays closed. The animals deserve better.
About 20 years ago we went to America on holiday and went to a popular little tourist aquarium, I think with turtles etc as well. We were HORRIFIED. The fact that people thought the tiny tanks etc were acceptable for these poor animals was dreadful... in fact what with Sea World etc over there I think many view tiny tanks for marine animals (or any animals for that matter) as perfectly normal. So sad for the animals, and very upsetting to see.
Hell even big aquariums are practically scams. The Audobon Aquarium in New Orleans has a dead, stuffed albino alligator in a tank that is not advertised as taxidermy. Their tarpon look ill, and none of the aquarium staff even know much about the fish in their tanks. I felt scammed going there. I'd have learned more from a swamp tour
I live in Louisiana and the white alligator isn't dead last time I was there. They were swimming just fine. Unless they died recently and they haven't told the public about it.
Kris, PLEASE watch Under Paris! The amount of "oh God I need a Shark Bytes of this" while watching the film was through the roof. Meanwhile Stephen King is calling the last 25 minutes of it amazing.
Charlotte the Stingray has died. Per the aquarium, she died on Sunday from a rare reproductive disease. "We are sad to announce, after continuing treatment with her medical care team and specialist, our ray Charlotte passed away today," the aquarium wrote.
This happened where I live in Hendersonville, I got dragged there after it happened, which is no easy feat that place is never open, but when they were asked said they weren't allowed to talk about it and couldn't even say that she was pregnant
1. WOW! Our little community college gets a shout out in a TH-cam video! Crazy! Good on our Aquarium Science Director for reaching out. 2. Our local Aquarium, the Oregon Coast Aquarium, tries its best to take amazing care of its animals and fish, and all were either born in captivity or declared un able to be realized. My husband works there, and my sister actually works at our community college with the director! I wish there were more regulations around privately owned and profiting aquariums and zoos. I feel like if you’re going to open your doors to the public for money you need to first meet a lot of standards of care for both the animals and the patrons. Similarly to the whole Tiger King thing. Anyway, another amazing video and thanks for rounding up all the information, good to know what happened after all this fake news.
@KristenABales My daughter volunteered there a couple summers ago and asked me if she could stop. The lady who owns the place is odd, to say the least. I don't think she will be opening back up ever.
This place is crazy! I'm worried about the animals if they are lying and acting so awful! Wow. What a scam at the expense of the animals. Bunch of creeps at this private aquarium. Needs a visit to check for animal safety and proper care. Awful
As of yesterday afternoon a local new station shared an article saying that Charlotte passed away from her pregnancy disease. I believe it was shared from the aquariums Facebook group.
This video is a good example of how Kris shows how the scientific method works. I started watching these vids for the shark info, but I'm struck by how they demonstrate critical thinking. Examining competing hypotheses, looking at the evidence and evaluating its quality (first-hand? large sample size? etc.), reaching tentative conclusions, and changing them based on new information. Beautiful!
Yeah, I was thinking that parthenogenisis was the culprit, but most of the people that I knew wanted the "impregnation by shark" idea to be true very badly...
Likely she operates outside a regulated part of the economy. Like supplements. There is no legal requirement the ingredients need to be included as advertised by the label. Because they are not food. They're supplements.
@@redelfshotthefood8213 Or the ingredients are real but they 're useless. I see Magnesium supplements being sold by vitamin shops but its Magnesium Oxide, the cheapest kind. Only 2-3 percent of Magnesium Oxide is absorbed by the human body. The rest just..passes through.
Happy Shark Monday (Down Under). As an Aussie I would love to see a video on our very own Port Jackson shark, the lovely social, Jazz-loving horn sharks with the cute faces and the weird eggs. Easily my favourite shark, and that's saying a lot. But seriously, no pressure Kris. Keep doing the amazing work you're doing.
Hey fellow Aussie! I always look forward to Mondays too. I also agree with you on the Port Jackson Shark 🦈 I only learned about the eggs being part of their reproductive cycle just recently.
I know for a fact I was already subcribed to your channel, TH-cam must have unsub'd me. Idk when, just now noticed, sub'd again. Thanks for the great content!
Holy shit, they only define non human tetrapods as animals? They missed the MAJORITY of animalia. So legally you can torture a sharks, jellyfish, stingrays, etc in North Carolina? 🙄
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I missed this. Kinda glad I did. Never understate the human need for attention nor our greed. Seriously tried to have a journalist arrested? Scam city. Poor beasties. This reminds me of the horrific conditions of bears, etc., used as attractions in gas stations and various eateries in the 1950s and 60s. Once saw a poor bear who could barely move at a filling station. He sat curved over in his cage, but still rocked himself…it was awful. I was a little and hysterically crying, begging my father to help. He was white lipped with anger and sorrow…had to tell me he couldn’t because they owned the bear.
I feel like it's more ignorance and things getting out of hand and they were defensive about being wrong rather than it starting out as a hoax in the beginning. Wishful thinking, and all that. But I think it very quickly spiraled out of control, was dealt with poorly, and reflects that it was not a good aquarium to begin with.
when i read "stingray impregnated by shark" headline on media, i thought it just a "theory meant to be a joke" or wild speculation across social media about Charlotte pregnancy without a male
This might have been started innocent enough, but turned nefarious. I'm sure the owner, after advertising the pregnancy, found out the ray wasn't preggy, but figured out it would not be good to recant the whole story. So she started to lie about it.
when i head of it, i assumed she was sick and probably had a tumor or something going on in her digestive system commented that to find later it was deleted and I was blocked.
What I learned more from this is more the problems with people learning about science and education getting messed up through social media due to sensationalism - and how worrying that can be since lots of people use social media for education (especially when a lot of our current education systems currently need a lot of updates and some areas are underfunded). It's also worrying when the news media picked this up too, and that attempts to keep the misinformation down didn't work since social media is built on entertainment and education is a rare addition (this channel being one of the few legit educational content - but a majority of Internet users unfortunately gravitate towards sensationalism over education). :(
Just the other day, Charlotte popped into my mind. I wondered what ever happened with her. I thought right away about parthenogenesis when I saw this on the news. I had no idea it was all a big scam! Thanks for the update. First time viewer btw, I will be back, I love sharks 💜
Can you do a video on Tamayo Perry shark attack incident please. What shark and how you think the incident occurred for him to lose his life in Hawaii. So sad to hear. I remember him on Pirates of the Caribbean.
3:09 It is such common sense that sharks and stingrays can not breed, I don’t feel sorry for anyone who was fooled. Parthenogenesis was the only possibility for Charlotte being pregnant. The owner of the shop, and the person who first suggested this cross breeding, was a TEACHER? I get why she is not a teacher anymore, but how does someone that unintelligent get a teaching job in the first place?
@@moon-moth1 I first noticed this a lot in the 80s and early 90s. And it's never recieved the attention it should. Was shocked at the huge variety of exotics you could buy and still can in many states.
@@moon-moth1 🤷 Sad but true, especially in the south. And we have some of the few places (a few states) where it is perfectly legal to sell rare and "very important to science" fossils on the private market (look that up), you could literally sell a new T Rex species to Lil Wayne to put in his pool if you dig it up in the right state, MANY countries ban that (if not almost all). And they're all Republican states.
🤷 Sad but true, especially in the south. And we have some of the few places (a few states) where it is perfectly legal to sell rare and "very important to science" fossils on the private market (look that up), you could literally sell a new T Rex species to Lil Wayne to put in his pool if you dig it up in the right state, MANY countries ban that (if not almost all). And they're all Republican states.
Personally I think there was a strong bias towards the stingray being pregnant from the start that created this situation. They wanted it to be true, so found what they wanted to see not what was there. And when reality threatened that dream, they pushed away anything that could ruin them until it wasn't possible anymore. So not a scam at the start maybe.
I have certainly considered that as a possibility. Often times people want so desperately for something to be true that the notion that it could be otherwise is too much for them. I know, because I've been in that boat before.
I used to work about a block from this aquarium for almost a decade. The aquarium, and I use that term very very loosely, was always kind of a joke in town. Anyway. Something that I think a lot of people don't know is that Hendersonville North Carolina is not near the coast, it's in the Blue ridge mountains. It's just right outside of Asheville. So it was always kind of funny that there was this aquarium in downtown Hendersonville, a town known for beautiful mountains, black bears, and apples. The aquarium always had the sketchy nature to it to the point where I don't even want to call it an aquarium, let's be honest, it was just an overgrown fish shop. I had a sneaking suspicion that the aquarium was probably going under due to financial reasons, and this was a quick cash grab for them.
My first question is just.. why tf was shark/stingray hybrid the conclusion before parthenogenesis, which we know happens in a bunch of aquatic species....
Thanks for the update Krys - when I filmed my take on this topic a couple of months ago I was still holding out hope for a successful "Jesus stingray' - but it's so sad how it unfolded after that. It sucks for Charlotte, who didn't get the care she deserved, and for stingrays in general who still continue to get bad press!
I was just wondering about this the other day. While I'm not familiar with the average ray gestation period, I thought surely there should have been an update by now. Thank you, as well as others in the comments, for providing an update, sad as it is.
jumping to conclusions! was the "vet" a drain clearance person with an ultrasound to find blockages, because that looks granular to me i.e requires tests to test against cancers
Life is like soup sometimes. Like the frogs that change genders during mating season. That's super weird. But nature when you study it is full of special cases and bizarreness.
@redelfshotthefood8213 I agree, but this whole thing was very suspicious, especially denying specialists access to Charlotte and not allowing their input, and not answering their questions.
It reminds me of those women that were on Dr Phil who were saying they’d been pregnant for 3 and 4 years. They even claimed to have at least 3 uteri. They refused to believe the Ultrasounds they were given. I think it was all a big excuse so they could eat more food 😂 The woman with Charlotte was definitely a scammer which is why she blocked experts. Charlotte was her little cash cow - oops Ray 😂 and it was deliberate! Horrid woman 🤬 I love Stingrays as they have that happy little smiling face. Too cute 🥰 ❤
I’m planning on getting a pet Epaulette Shark (It’s captive bred, so no harm to the ecosystem) and I want to give it its best possible life. Any suggestions for the tank? Tankmates? Names?
Yes! Ive been wondering what happened with this. Thank you 💙💙 Omg this is wild. I remember hearing about it and being sus, but what happened after is next level crazy.
It's s cute little aquarium, they take in exotic pets that people can't care for anymore, but I wouldn't necessarily say that they're in the business of educating the public. It's a nice little distraction or an excursion for young kids with short attention spans that just want to look at fish, out see turtles being hand feed. But with tanks labeled with little to no information about their inhabitants, I wouldn't really expect to learn much.
They should've sent Charlotte to a facility where she could've ACTUALLY been monitored by vets and professionals. But nah they wanted to be greedy and keep her for themselves
You see this play out a lot when small facilities suddenly find themselves shoved into social media limelight with no idea how to handle the attention. Small facilities like this, most of which are housing at least in part rescues or abandoned pets, rarely have the resources to deal with events like this (both the medical event and the social media event). As unfortunate as cases like this are we need smaller facilities both to accommodate all of these animals and to present animals that the larger zoos refuse to bother housing because they aren't as cost efficient as lions and elephants. Misinterpreting tumours as a pregnancy is easy to do with small animals, especially fish, couple that with the extreme pressure of a social media explosion and you get tensions so high people get scared to acknowledge what happened. As for the "censorship", it's safe to assume they were overloaded with attention and whatever social media manager they handled was just given generic instructions to block or ignore everything that contradicted whatever the aquarium had said in the past.
I agree with your first paragraph but thats it. Blocking people is wrong and shows that they knew they were lying about it. Please correct me if im wrong BUT, you only silence someone when your afraid of what they they to say, RIGHT? So tell me is it different when you block someone who doubts what you have to say on social media? 🤔
@@BackroomsBoi Zoos don't tend to run their own social media. Especially when suddenly thrown into a lot of unexpected attention. They hire social media managing companies to do that. Social media managing companies generally speaking take any dissent as "spam or hate" and block it. Aquarium staff likely had no interaction with the comments that were getting blocked.
Something stinks, and it's not the fish!!! Charlotte is being exploited if you ask me, and perhaps a full investigation should be done. YES it was a marketing ploy. GREED
I love your vids. when I first heard this story my first thought was parthenogenesis. I'm not biologist but stingrays and sharks are something i love learing about alot ,and I've heard about other sharks and stingrays who have gone through parthenogenesis.
I definitely feel like they believed she was pregnant, and because of the question of how in the hell did this happen, instead of having vets dig deeper to see if it was truly a pregnancy, they just played it up till whatever condition it was unfortunately killed her. Seems like they were using her sickness to earn money. Which, if it's to help stingrays and other ocean life, cool, but if it was just to get money for their "aquarium" and tiktok famous then fuck them. I feel like too she's been gone for a while with how the updates stopped for a while. Poor Charlotte. I hope in the end it wasn't painful and she went peacefully.
The story of Charlotte was so popular even in France I heard the news talk a bit about the stingray that got pregnant without a male. I never heard them talk about ANYTHING afterward though. My immediate thought had been pathogenesis or something similar. When I heard the hybrid story on internet I was...... Amused. It's crazy to me that a nobody like me thought "yeah, nothing miraculous about that, it's a known phenomenon" and those people supposed to care for the ray and EDUCATE PEOPLE went "lol hybrid"
I personally don’t think there should be animals held in captivity, not wild ones anyway. Zoos in aquariums were really good and really educational back before the Internet when I was a kid when you didn’t have the opportunity to see these animals in their natural habitats but now we have the Internet and any child can go any animal and find its natural habitat, zoo, or aquarium, except to make money. Some zoos do a lot of work with conservation and working with endangered species and that’s fine but you don’t have to sell tickets to do that. You don’t have to make, and they certainly should not be trained to do any tricks!
Other than sea world the only "tricks" animals do in modern zoos and aquariums are natural behavior demonstrations (like cheetahs chasing something, birds flying, caracals jumping, ect.) Really simple stuff they do anyway to educate guests and medical exam training (opening their mouth, showing a certain body part, turning in a circle) again minor things that youd do at the doctor to make sure the animal is healthy cuz animals often hide illness and injuries till its too late As for the money thing. Some zoos are fortunate enough to be free with a lot of funding from their local city or something but feeding all those animals isn't cheap and keepers and vets got bills to pay
@Rebornation0712 zoos the world over have been key players in conservation for decades. Black rhino, Arabian oryx, California condor, amur leopard, prezwalski horse, bald eagle, blue iguana, Panamanian golden frog, scimitar horned oryx, piere david deer, island night lizard, peregrine falcon, Irabian lynx, Mexican red wolf, Tanzanian spray toad, all were completely wiped out in their native range at one point or close to it but have had a comeback thanks to breeding and rewinding programs by zoos. Not to mention less severely endagered species that have had increases, most notable pandas being the mascot of endagered species being upgraded from endagered to vulnerable. Not to mention most (least in more development first world countries) are completely non profit and most of the money raised is distributed to conservation projects around the world There most deffinatly are shitty zoos out there (namely redneck roadside tourist traps or ones in poorer countries where animal welfare laws are minimal or non existant) and even some subpar habitats in otherwise good zoos but when done right can be massive players in healing the planet
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All you need to do is follow the 💵... "fish" will *never* be included in the animal cruelty legislation because that would open up commercial fishing to legal citation and there's nothing "humane" about the way fish are harvested... even recreational angling might be shut down as imagine arguing that putting a metal hook through the face of a 🐕 or a 🐄 as not being animal cruelty 💯
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True about the horrendous cruelty on marine animals, even the highly intelligent and ones that have been around since the Middle Ages.
@SHARKBYTES We Humans have True Hermaphrodites, and or Not Just Someone Born (because of the Operations at Birth you have to say born with, not has in so many cases) with Ambiguous Genitals (Pseudo Male & Pseudo Female Hermaphrodites 1 in 1200 to generally up to 1 in 2000 depending on the Population) but has One Ovary and One Retained Testicle, with the Testicle normally in Bad Bad Shape with all the Estrogen, Warmth and Pressure, but it only takes one Swimmer, so even the Most Putrid of Retained Testicles can pull of Self Insemination. 5% of people born Hermaphrodites (and or born with Ambiguous Genitals) are True Hermaphrodites, which every so often one gets themselves Pregnant, but we can't have any of that now can we, as Christians it just Blows up the Spot of the Virgin Mary so on any Sight of a Potential True Hermaphrodite they go in and Pull what's in there, which is generally Ovaries or Two Retained Testicles, all for the Christian Religion! 1 in 2500 Males by Autopsy Data have Wombs and Upper Vs (would have lower but they seal that off by sewing them up), it would be like 1 in 1800 but some Atrophy through Development while others are Removed via Operations, and just the Fact you know none of this, shows how the Blind Leads the Blind and you personally lack the Knowledge to be talking about anything like you are the Expert to even a Novice on just about any Subject...
Well sharks and rays are part of the same order unlike snakes and humans.
But there IS THE CASE OF THE STURGEN ×PADDLEFISH HYBRIDS. Whose last commkn ancestor was 185 million years ago! And it was a whole slew of healthy hubrids. Look it up! STURDDLEFISH And that took all biologists by Surprise.
The one caveot here was that it was done artificially as they mixed up the milts.
Oh man, the timing of the video. She died on the 30th of June. RIP Charlotte.
Oh no. Poor thing.
That recently?!
Pessimism makes me wonder if the pregnancy was actually some kind of tumor or other medical complications that Ramer chose to ignore in favor of the marketability of a miracle pregnancy, and neglecting a proper diagnosis led to her dearh.
Even worse pessimism would be that they chose not to help her because they decided they were done with her. "We got our money, now we're spending it on her care without getting more from visits? Nah. Let's cut our losses here."
So I used to work at the Monterey Bay Aquarium and right before this story came out our swell shark had laid a fertilized egg. She was the only swell shark in the exhibit and the other sharks in there wouldn’t have been able to impregnate her. The only explanation was parthenogenesis. Like you said some species of sharks and rays can do this but it’s never been observed in swell shark. But when this real scientific discovery was happening along comes this stingray and now all eyes were on that! A freaking hoax out shined an actual marvel of science. Also our shark actually had the baby. A girl who hatched in Christmas Eve! I’ve been calling her shark Jesus.
Did you go back to work there or is the animal able to be seen by public?
@@shrekwesmobamboo I worked there until last November. I went back to school. But as far as I know the baby swell shark is still behind the scenes. I still have friends who work there so I can ask them if they know anything.
You don’t sound very smart
@@leotrollstoy2351 okay
@@ninjagirlD Monterey Bay Aquarium is amazing and in no small part because of people like you. Thanks for sharing this story. Good luck in school and have a great day.
Honestly whether or not they deliberately scammed people, the main takeaway for me is that Charlotte wasn't given adequate medical care. I really hope they get pressured into improving.
@josephjanitorius797 she didn’t have enough sand dollars to cover the costs 😔
She actually died at the end of june , beginning of july , and all that was stated was due to complications or some shit so she never received any of the metal pool care that she needed to survive
they just posted that she has died. this has been an embarrassment for my hometown
Yeah it has. Your hometown should be embarrassed. How dare they allow one scum bag person to expose how gullible almost all human beings are. This isn't embarrassing for your hometown. It's embarrassing for the person scamming human beings and for human beings not applying proper skepticism to their lives
"Died"? Or was put down to cover up their b.s. ? Btw it's not your hometown's fault. Nobody blames you guys.
@rogueredshirt5239 my thoughts exactly
I know it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I remember being in the shell on Dana road and hearing somebody brag about how they came from out of state to see the stingray. Wonder when she's gonna start the 'Charlotte the stingray' go fund me 🤣🤣🤣.
I work at an AZA aquarium that has stingrays so people would come in all the time asking about her. Everyone was so disappointed to hear me tell them there is absolutely no truth to the stingray/shark hybrid. Our stingray aquarists was actually banned by their page for asking questions and trying to educate the public.
I can't believe there's so many people stupid enough to think this would be possible in the first place.
It raised huge red flags to me when it wasn't accredited by the AZA. Not every good zoo HAS to be but it definitely made things seem more odd and weird.
@@puddsmax863, *Any* aquarium or zoo---AZA-accredited or no---if they care anything for their animals, absolutely *will* see to it that they are careful in how they keep them. I doubt this was a full-on scam, but the owner took advantage of the stingray's condition and made a sensation out of it, instead of checking to be sure that the animal was okay.
Now Charlotte passed away from the birth defect about 23 hours ago, this aquarium clearly doesn’t care about their animals and used her for money. Rip charlotte
My question is who the fuck cares? Seriously who gives a single fuck?
Rip, you'll be missed
I like how the "I love Charlotte" t shirts have a completely different species of ray on them. They had ONE JOB!
Thats embarrassing! 🤦♂️
One job! ONE JOB! And they could not even do that, oh my gosh. 😂
It could have been worse. You must give them credit for at least selecting a fish.
@@maxlutz3674 I guess yah at least they did get ray which is better then some fish.
Probably used a free stock image instead of hiring an artist.
@Pipkiablo Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I remember hearing about Charlotte and her "pregnancy". Of course, anyone with a semi-scientific mind didn't think one of the male sharks got her pregnant, but the parthenogenesis idea certainly wasn't out of the realm of possibility. After initially hearing about it, I hadn't paid any attention to the story, so thanks to Kris for talking about it. It's just sad that this was done to boost exposure of the "aquarium" and make more money.
There really shouldn't be unaccredited zoos and aquariums since so many animals can be harmed by people who are only in it for the money and have little to no understanding of these animals.
I agree!
Did you see the law? "Animal" is only considered non human tetrapods, not all animalia.
So I guess you can torture "fish", sharks, stingrays, star fish, Jelly fish, etc. That's messed up
@@whatabouttheearth Since its normal to boil lobsters alive, what do you consider torture? I think even single celled organisms and plants deserve respect as lifeforms equal to higher order animals, but some people insist its okay to eat plants but not animals because the distress function isn't relatable to their brains. I accept that living requires destroying others, but people will rationalize all kinds of things to say they themselves are the only ones acting morally but others aren't.
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But as heterotrophs where to we draw the line, and as humans with complex systems of morality where do we draw the line. I'm currently a little confused.
Ps: You sound like a person who might like the book (and the goal) 'The Great Ape Project'. I suggest buying the used mass market paper back with Dawkins and Gooda first, then looking up the Wiki, then buying the newer book.
@@Badficwriter
But as heterotrophs where to we draw the line, and as humans with complex systems of morality where do we draw the line. I'm currently a little confused.
Ps: You sound like a person who might like the book (and the goal) 'The Great Ape Project'. I suggest buying the used mass market paper back with Dawkins and Gooda first, then looking up the Wiki, then buying the newer book.
In all likelihood, she was probably desperate to keep the doors open in her "shop." When this happened, she saw an opportunity to increase the necessary patronage, but it appears to have fallen apart. I did notice that this so called aquarium/lab has temporarily closed and the google reviews have been very negative over the past month. I don't believe that she did anything illegal, but she wasn't behaving in an ethical manner.
They named her after the wrong English queen, with a phantom pregnancy that long she should have been named Mary.
Totally underrated comment! Lol 😂
Should have been named Mary Anne
Name her Elizabeth now cuz she deader than a doorknob.
Name her Elizabeth now cuz she deader than a doorknob.
Totally true
I completely forgot about Charlotte after the media hype was over. This was a great update.
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@@SHARKBYTESJust make sure you link to the websites you take information, sites that did most of the hard work for you. You don’t link to that Assembly article which is where 95% of your information came from. The anaconda quote, the arrest story, all the quotes from scientists, traffic at on the street. You got it all from the same source but you don’t link to it in the description. Why?
The lack of integrity is astounding but unfortunately not surprising.
Thank you for covering this topic. The behavior of this aquarium has been reprehensible. They are not promoting science nor education. Of course anyone can make a mistake but it is quite another thing to double down on a mistake and to not accept help from experts (scientists and veterinarians). I do not think this was an intentional hoax but rather a mistake that grew out of stupidity. Not all small aquariums are bad but the actions of this one sure are disappointing.
True. The owner's actions were more representative of a carnival barker than educator.
I agree that it sounds like this started as an honest, though foolish, mistake. But then they were unwilling to admit their error, which just made it worse than it should have been.
Maybe we just shouldn't keep wild animals in captivity.
I cant believe you're covering this. I thought about bringing it up when it first came up.
I work across the road from this aquarium. It was nuts the effect this whole shebang had on the town.
This "aquarium" is big enough to fit like maybe 10 people inside. The town popped off for a month and there were people in the awful weather waiting hours to get a look for 10 min. This being a scam is kinda funny to me. I couldn't believe the popularity it gained to begin with but it had our business booming for a few weeks. To know the state things were in is gross to hear though.
I read that she has "temporarily" closed her "shop." Have you seen her having the fish tanks removed from the building yet?
@@zingwilder9989 been just closed as far as ive seen. I'll pay more attention and go pop a look next week when I'm up there.
@@kavemanx420x Thank you for the response. I don't know how her patronage was, but I always hate to see someone lose his or her business. Nonetheless, this publicity that she experienced will not turn out to be a positive one.
@@zingwilder9989 for sure. Ive known it to be a rarely visited place. Most business it seemed to get is if a class of children would drop by after visiting the kids museum or something.(Ive worked there within sight distance of it for 8 years and barely knew the place existed until the whole Charlotte shenanigans.) If she scammed people which seems likely then my sympathy is limited to mainly the employees who are affected.
@@kavemanx420x Agreed! Thank you again for sharing your personal knowledge. It adds a great deal to the whole story.
I'm from NC and I remember my mother coming and telling me about this, and she brought up the male shark impregnation "theory", which was super ridiculous to me. I had no idea this was some huge story in the news and all across the US, honestly it's embarrassing. That owner lady was a total joke. I'm really hoping our laws around fish will change! I had no idea they were so bad
I work across the street from this place and was just flabbergasted. There were hundreds of people wrapped around the sidewalk waiting to get in when the whole "shark potentially caused the pregnancy" was a thing. I found it funny and hard to believe not surprised by the outcome it came to.
I’m from NC and this video was the first I ever heard of this story. I don’t watch the news, though, and I’m all the more glad I don’t.
@@kavemanx420xThat lady is odd anyway
@@lalehiandeity1649 And don't worry, this video was the first time I heard of this, and I am much the same when it comes to the news.
It's not just fish
"Animal" is only considered non human tetrapods in NC, not all animalia
So I guess you can torture "fish", sharks, stingrays, star fish, jelly fish, insects etc. Everything that isn't a tetrapod. That's messed up
My cats been pregnant for a few years, he could use a new scratching post if anyone has any extra $$
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So as someone who has worked with reptiles, and even dealt with parthenogenesis on a couple different occasions. Absolutely it can throw off the gestation period, but I've never heard it throwing off the gestation period by months.
"Aquatic Sideshow" would far better describe it than an educational facility.
Yeah, it's always funny to me when people call places like this an "aquarium," although I've been lucky enough to visit one of the largest aquariums in the world, so I could be biased. Establishments like this just look like pet shops where you can't buy the animals. And I calling them "pet shops" is not a compliment either. I'm using it in a derogatory way.
@@urphakeandgey6308 Those turtles at 14:03 looked like they had neither a heat source nor a place to sun themselves. My boyfriend's late stepmother had kept her yellow-eared slider in much the same way.
How is any non-accredited facility allowed to house animals like this? How are they ensuring that they're receiving good care?
EDIT: I understand he has answered this question at the end of the video. I posted this before that
You can edit or delete the post. If you edit it to answer the question then you'll reinforce his information in the readers' minds...
So now you know to watch the entire video before commenting about the video.
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My daughter volunteered at this aquarium and quit because she didn't like her. The lady is odd to begin with. People do stupid shit for money and attention. I hope she stays closed. The animals deserve better.
About 20 years ago we went to America on holiday and went to a popular little tourist aquarium, I think with turtles etc as well. We were HORRIFIED. The fact that people thought the tiny tanks etc were acceptable for these poor animals was dreadful... in fact what with Sea World etc over there I think many view tiny tanks for marine animals (or any animals for that matter) as perfectly normal. So sad for the animals, and very upsetting to see.
American here. I totally agree. Our animal welfare laws/regulations are terribly flawed and inadequate.
Hell even big aquariums are practically scams. The Audobon Aquarium in New Orleans has a dead, stuffed albino alligator in a tank that is not advertised as taxidermy. Their tarpon look ill, and none of the aquarium staff even know much about the fish in their tanks. I felt scammed going there. I'd have learned more from a swamp tour
There definitely needs to be a look at the laws. Other countries (not all) have better protection in place for aquatic life.
I live in Louisiana and the white alligator isn't dead last time I was there. They were swimming just fine.
Unless they died recently and they haven't told the public about it.
Literally a day after this premiered, the aquarium revealed that Charlotte had died.
Kris, PLEASE watch Under Paris! The amount of "oh God I need a Shark Bytes of this" while watching the film was through the roof. Meanwhile Stephen King is calling the last 25 minutes of it amazing.
Charlotte the Stingray has died. Per the aquarium, she died on Sunday from a rare reproductive disease.
"We are sad to announce, after continuing treatment with her medical care team and specialist, our ray Charlotte passed away today," the aquarium wrote.
👮 I'm gonna need an autopsy report on this one Chief.
👮 I'm gonna need an autopsy report on this one Chief.
This happened where I live in Hendersonville, I got dragged there after it happened, which is no easy feat that place is never open, but when they were asked said they weren't allowed to talk about it and couldn't even say that she was pregnant
Never heard of Charlotte before today. Don't think that news ever made it to me in Scotland at the time.
I'm in Arizona. Had never heard about all of this until I just stumbled over this video today. I wasn't missing much, as far as I'm concerned.
1. WOW! Our little community college gets a shout out in a TH-cam video! Crazy! Good on our Aquarium Science Director for reaching out.
2. Our local Aquarium, the Oregon Coast Aquarium, tries its best to take amazing care of its animals and fish, and all were either born in captivity or declared un able to be realized. My husband works there, and my sister actually works at our community college with the director!
I wish there were more regulations around privately owned and profiting aquariums and zoos. I feel like if you’re going to open your doors to the public for money you need to first meet a lot of standards of care for both the animals and the patrons. Similarly to the whole Tiger King thing. Anyway, another amazing video and thanks for rounding up all the information, good to know what happened after all this fake news.
That was my local aquarium in the video. Not anymore, thank goodness.
@@Itsmeagain828 ya. . . Doesn't sound like they cared for the animals in the right way. It's hard to trust privately owned aquariums and zoos.
@KristenABales My daughter volunteered there a couple summers ago and asked me if she could stop. The lady who owns the place is odd, to say the least. I don't think she will be opening back up ever.
This place is crazy! I'm worried about the animals if they are lying and acting so awful!
Wow. What a scam at the expense of the animals. Bunch of creeps at this private aquarium. Needs a visit to check for animal safety and proper care. Awful
Jesus Christ that’s a leap….
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@@Badficwriter I haven't seen that in years. Definitely a great one for B-movie fans!
As of yesterday afternoon a local new station shared an article saying that Charlotte passed away from her pregnancy disease. I believe it was shared from the aquariums Facebook group.
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I have never heard of her until this video, my condolences 😔.
They silenced her!
First red flag for me: a ray with no mate in the tank starts acting oddly, so they immediately check to see if she is pregnant? Really?
I'm more concerned about the overall Health and Welfare of the animals there.
Looks like a tattoist shop or something else seedy
The dodgy aquarium announced on Sunday that Charlotte has died.
This video is a good example of how Kris shows how the scientific method works. I started watching these vids for the shark info, but I'm struck by how they demonstrate critical thinking.
Examining competing hypotheses, looking at the evidence and evaluating its quality (first-hand? large sample size? etc.), reaching tentative conclusions, and changing them based on new information.
Beautiful!
His skepticism impresses me.
This aquarium owner seems extraordinarily shady and is clearly lying.
Yeah, I was thinking that parthenogenisis was the culprit, but most of the people that I knew wanted the "impregnation by shark" idea to be true very badly...
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It's pretty obvious that it was just a scam. They should be investigated.
Likely she operates outside a regulated part of the economy. Like supplements. There is no legal requirement the ingredients need to be included as advertised by the label. Because they are not food. They're supplements.
@@redelfshotthefood8213 Or the ingredients are real but they 're useless. I see Magnesium supplements being sold by vitamin shops but its Magnesium Oxide, the cheapest kind. Only 2-3 percent of Magnesium Oxide is absorbed by the human body. The rest just..passes through.
Happy Shark Monday (Down Under). As an Aussie I would love to see a video on our very own Port Jackson shark, the lovely social, Jazz-loving horn sharks with the cute faces and the weird eggs. Easily my favourite shark, and that's saying a lot. But seriously, no pressure Kris. Keep doing the amazing work you're doing.
Hey fellow Aussie! I always look forward to Mondays too. I also agree with you on the Port Jackson Shark 🦈 I only learned about the eggs being part of their reproductive cycle just recently.
I know for a fact I was already subcribed to your channel, TH-cam must have unsub'd me. Idk when, just now noticed, sub'd again. Thanks for the great content!
Holy shit, they only define non human tetrapods as animals? They missed the MAJORITY of animalia. So legally you can torture a sharks, jellyfish, stingrays, etc in North Carolina? 🙄
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Freaky timing for the video Kris, poor Charlotte died yesterday 😞
"Scientists don't know everything" That's kinda the point. If we knew everything we wouldn't need scientists.
I missed this. Kinda glad I did. Never understate the human need for attention nor our greed. Seriously tried to have a journalist arrested? Scam city. Poor beasties. This reminds me of the horrific conditions of bears, etc., used as attractions in gas stations and various eateries in the 1950s and 60s. Once saw a poor bear who could barely move at a filling station. He sat curved over in his cage, but still rocked himself…it was awful. I was a little and hysterically crying, begging my father to help. He was white lipped with anger and sorrow…had to tell me he couldn’t because they owned the bear.
I'm so glad that newscaster explained that humans named her Charlotte.
I feel like it's more ignorance and things getting out of hand and they were defensive about being wrong rather than it starting out as a hoax in the beginning. Wishful thinking, and all that. But I think it very quickly spiraled out of control, was dealt with poorly, and reflects that it was not a good aquarium to begin with.
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when i read "stingray impregnated by shark" headline on media, i thought it just a "theory meant to be a joke" or wild speculation across social media about Charlotte pregnancy without a male
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Thank you for the Charlotte update, I was wondering what happened
This might have been started innocent enough, but turned nefarious. I'm sure the owner, after advertising the pregnancy, found out the ray wasn't preggy, but figured out it would not be good to recant the whole story. So she started to lie about it.
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when i head of it, i assumed she was sick and probably had a tumor or something going on in her digestive system
commented that to find later it was deleted and I was blocked.
there are some really cool lizards that reproduce using partho too, notably mourning geckos
What I learned more from this is more the problems with people learning about science and education getting messed up through social media due to sensationalism - and how worrying that can be since lots of people use social media for education (especially when a lot of our current education systems currently need a lot of updates and some areas are underfunded). It's also worrying when the news media picked this up too, and that attempts to keep the misinformation down didn't work since social media is built on entertainment and education is a rare addition (this channel being one of the few legit educational content - but a majority of Internet users unfortunately gravitate towards sensationalism over education). :(
Great video as always, I love sharks and fish in general, and i am worried about Charlotte, i hope she's ok.
Just the other day, Charlotte popped into my mind. I wondered what ever happened with her. I thought right away about parthenogenesis when I saw this on the news. I had no idea it was all a big scam! Thanks for the update. First time viewer btw, I will be back, I love sharks 💜
Can you do a video on Tamayo Perry shark attack incident please. What shark and how you think the incident occurred for him to lose his life in Hawaii. So sad to hear. I remember him on Pirates of the Caribbean.
Love that you are educating WHILE highlighting some of the most ignored/silent of marine species!
3:09 It is such common sense that sharks and stingrays can not breed, I don’t feel sorry for anyone who was fooled. Parthenogenesis was the only possibility for Charlotte being pregnant. The owner of the shop, and the person who first suggested this cross breeding, was a TEACHER? I get why she is not a teacher anymore, but how does someone that unintelligent get a teaching job in the first place?
Not showing or explain how she is pregnant and journalists picking up the story means its probably fake
Private owners should have to be accredited to have any of these types of businesses.
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There needs to be accountability
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I first noticed this a lot in the 80s and early 90s. And it's never recieved the attention it should.
Was shocked at the huge variety of exotics you could buy and still can in many states.
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🤷 Sad but true, especially in the south.
And we have some of the few places (a few states) where it is perfectly legal to sell rare and "very important to science" fossils on the private market (look that up), you could literally sell a new T Rex species to Lil Wayne to put in his pool if you dig it up in the right state, MANY countries ban that (if not almost all).
And they're all Republican states.
🤷 Sad but true, especially in the south.
And we have some of the few places (a few states) where it is perfectly legal to sell rare and "very important to science" fossils on the private market (look that up), you could literally sell a new T Rex species to Lil Wayne to put in his pool if you dig it up in the right state, MANY countries ban that (if not almost all).
And they're all Republican states.
Personally I think there was a strong bias towards the stingray being pregnant from the start that created this situation. They wanted it to be true, so found what they wanted to see not what was there. And when reality threatened that dream, they pushed away anything that could ruin them until it wasn't possible anymore.
So not a scam at the start maybe.
I have certainly considered that as a possibility. Often times people want so desperately for something to be true that the notion that it could be otherwise is too much for them. I know, because I've been in that boat before.
Can’t believe you covered parthenogenesis without mentioning the scientifically documented velociraptors of Jurassic Park. They caused havoc.
Are you gonna do a review of under Paris on the channel?
@@kevinwest1985 100% hopefully coming soon
@@SHARKBYTES Charlotte Charlotte
Warum heisst der Rochen Charlotte??
I used to work about a block from this aquarium for almost a decade. The aquarium, and I use that term very very loosely, was always kind of a joke in town. Anyway. Something that I think a lot of people don't know is that Hendersonville North Carolina is not near the coast, it's in the Blue ridge mountains. It's just right outside of Asheville. So it was always kind of funny that there was this aquarium in downtown Hendersonville, a town known for beautiful mountains, black bears, and apples. The aquarium always had the sketchy nature to it to the point where I don't even want to call it an aquarium, let's be honest, it was just an overgrown fish shop. I had a sneaking suspicion that the aquarium was probably going under due to financial reasons, and this was a quick cash grab for them.
My first question is just.. why tf was shark/stingray hybrid the conclusion before parthenogenesis, which we know happens in a bunch of aquatic species....
Just found your channel! Cool videos! I love sharks
When one calls a thing a 'science miracle' it is evident they do not know what these terms mean.
I remember when I saw the first news articles about this, my first thought was "FAKE"
Thanks for the update Krys - when I filmed my take on this topic a couple of months ago I was still holding out hope for a successful "Jesus stingray' - but it's so sad how it unfolded after that. It sucks for Charlotte, who didn't get the care she deserved, and for stingrays in general who still continue to get bad press!
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As always, really insightful! Thanks for covering this topic on your channel :)
I was just wondering about this the other day. While I'm not familiar with the average ray gestation period, I thought surely there should have been an update by now. Thank you, as well as others in the comments, for providing an update, sad as it is.
somehow I never heard of this. How bizarre!
jumping to conclusions! was the "vet" a drain clearance person with an ultrasound to find blockages, because that looks granular to me i.e requires tests to test against cancers
I saw a post on Facebook about it being a hysterical pregnancy, and thought, Charlotte? More like Mary.
Life is like soup sometimes. Like the frogs that change genders during mating season. That's super weird. But nature when you study it is full of special cases and bizarreness.
@redelfshotthefood8213 I agree, but this whole thing was very suspicious, especially denying specialists access to Charlotte and not allowing their input, and not answering their questions.
It reminds me of those women that were on Dr Phil who were saying they’d been pregnant for 3 and 4 years. They even claimed to have at least 3 uteri. They refused to believe the Ultrasounds they were given. I think it was all a big excuse so they could eat more food 😂
The woman with Charlotte was definitely a scammer which is why she blocked experts. Charlotte was her little cash cow - oops Ray 😂 and it was deliberate! Horrid woman 🤬
I love Stingrays as they have that happy little smiling face. Too cute 🥰 ❤
I’m planning on getting a pet Epaulette Shark (It’s captive bred, so no harm to the ecosystem) and I want to give it its best possible life. Any suggestions for the tank? Tankmates? Names?
Chris you gotta do movie reviews again and the next one you do should be "Under Paris". You gonna have a laugh!
Yes! Ive been wondering what happened with this. Thank you 💙💙
Omg this is wild. I remember hearing about it and being sus, but what happened after is next level crazy.
It's s cute little aquarium, they take in exotic pets that people can't care for anymore, but I wouldn't necessarily say that they're in the business of educating the public. It's a nice little distraction or an excursion for young kids with short attention spans that just want to look at fish, out see turtles being hand feed. But with tanks labeled with little to no information about their inhabitants, I wouldn't really expect to learn much.
They should've sent Charlotte to a facility where she could've ACTUALLY been monitored by vets and professionals. But nah they wanted to be greedy and keep her for themselves
You see this play out a lot when small facilities suddenly find themselves shoved into social media limelight with no idea how to handle the attention. Small facilities like this, most of which are housing at least in part rescues or abandoned pets, rarely have the resources to deal with events like this (both the medical event and the social media event). As unfortunate as cases like this are we need smaller facilities both to accommodate all of these animals and to present animals that the larger zoos refuse to bother housing because they aren't as cost efficient as lions and elephants.
Misinterpreting tumours as a pregnancy is easy to do with small animals, especially fish, couple that with the extreme pressure of a social media explosion and you get tensions so high people get scared to acknowledge what happened.
As for the "censorship", it's safe to assume they were overloaded with attention and whatever social media manager they handled was just given generic instructions to block or ignore everything that contradicted whatever the aquarium had said in the past.
I agree with your first paragraph but thats it. Blocking people is wrong and shows that they knew they were lying about it. Please correct me if im wrong BUT, you only silence someone when your afraid of what they they to say, RIGHT? So tell me is it different when you block someone who doubts what you have to say on social media? 🤔
@@BackroomsBoi Zoos don't tend to run their own social media. Especially when suddenly thrown into a lot of unexpected attention. They hire social media managing companies to do that. Social media managing companies generally speaking take any dissent as "spam or hate" and block it. Aquarium staff likely had no interaction with the comments that were getting blocked.
Something stinks, and it's not the fish!!! Charlotte is being exploited if you ask me, and perhaps a full investigation should be done. YES it was a marketing ploy. GREED
I love your vids. when I first heard this story my first thought was parthenogenesis. I'm not biologist but stingrays and sharks are something i love learing about alot ,and I've heard about other sharks and stingrays who have gone through parthenogenesis.
Nope I've never heard of Charlotte before today.
I definitely feel like they believed she was pregnant, and because of the question of how in the hell did this happen, instead of having vets dig deeper to see if it was truly a pregnancy, they just played it up till whatever condition it was unfortunately killed her. Seems like they were using her sickness to earn money. Which, if it's to help stingrays and other ocean life, cool, but if it was just to get money for their "aquarium" and tiktok famous then fuck them. I feel like too she's been gone for a while with how the updates stopped for a while. Poor Charlotte. I hope in the end it wasn't painful and she went peacefully.
Thank you for covering this- I had no idea the extent of the misinformation and I'm saddened by the state of the animal welfare there 😢
people..smh. She probably had bloat from improper care.
The story of Charlotte was so popular even in France I heard the news talk a bit about the stingray that got pregnant without a male.
I never heard them talk about ANYTHING afterward though.
My immediate thought had been pathogenesis or something similar. When I heard the hybrid story on internet I was...... Amused.
It's crazy to me that a nobody like me thought "yeah, nothing miraculous about that, it's a known phenomenon" and those people supposed to care for the ray and EDUCATE PEOPLE went "lol hybrid"
My gf makes much more beautiful and natural looking habitats for fish than that aquarium. Sad.
When I heard shark ray mating I wondered if the shark did mate it stimulated parthenogenesis
I personally don’t think there should be animals held in captivity, not wild ones anyway. Zoos in aquariums were really good and really educational back before the Internet when I was a kid when you didn’t have the opportunity to see these animals in their natural habitats but now we have the Internet and any child can go any animal and find its natural habitat, zoo, or aquarium, except to make money. Some zoos do a lot of work with conservation and working with endangered species and that’s fine but you don’t have to sell tickets to do that. You don’t have to make, and they certainly should not be trained to do any tricks!
Other than sea world the only "tricks" animals do in modern zoos and aquariums are natural behavior demonstrations (like cheetahs chasing something, birds flying, caracals jumping, ect.) Really simple stuff they do anyway to educate guests and medical exam training (opening their mouth, showing a certain body part, turning in a circle) again minor things that youd do at the doctor to make sure the animal is healthy cuz animals often hide illness and injuries till its too late
As for the money thing. Some zoos are fortunate enough to be free with a lot of funding from their local city or something but feeding all those animals isn't cheap and keepers and vets got bills to pay
@@ckm5702 just my opinion that animals should be free unless people intervene for conservation purposes
@Rebornation0712 zoos the world over have been key players in conservation for decades. Black rhino, Arabian oryx, California condor, amur leopard, prezwalski horse, bald eagle, blue iguana, Panamanian golden frog, scimitar horned oryx, piere david deer, island night lizard, peregrine falcon, Irabian lynx, Mexican red wolf, Tanzanian spray toad, all were completely wiped out in their native range at one point or close to it but have had a comeback thanks to breeding and rewinding programs by zoos. Not to mention less severely endagered species that have had increases, most notable pandas being the mascot of endagered species being upgraded from endagered to vulnerable. Not to mention most (least in more development first world countries) are completely non profit and most of the money raised is distributed to conservation projects around the world
There most deffinatly are shitty zoos out there (namely redneck roadside tourist traps or ones in poorer countries where animal welfare laws are minimal or non existant) and even some subpar habitats in otherwise good zoos but when done right can be massive players in healing the planet