A note to anyone who is going to farm them. You are looking for the one with 2 projectiles. According to market all of them are ILVL83+, so technically you should be looking for them in a t16 zone.
That’s amazing I have 8 of them. They aren’t rare at all. I farmed act 8 reset a map into the other map reset to get wildwoods for an hour. I think I averaged about 2 a run with resetting. I don’t think anything is uncommon
Magi is legit helpful for ghosting since you can see the ghosts and rares on the map. Also legion, the chests show as unique mobs. Feels like maphack and idk if I can go back to not having it…
remember that the careful coservationist on the right side gives 5% flask effect plus the two mana nodes so thats 15% unless i am missing something you still need 5% more
@@Assasyn87 dont we have 15% ? 5 from the conservationist on the right side And 5% each for the mana nodes in the middle unless we only take 1 of those
@@PauloVictor-tz9bg I imagine it's because you're using the trans version and not actually dealing yourself enough damage to chill yourself? Or you have chill avoidance/immunity somewhere?
The careful conservationist node only gives 5 % increased flask effect so with the tincture and the mana nodes it adds up to 45% or am i missing something?
damn, was waiting for the price on these to go down.... they started at 8 divs a few days into the league now they gonna go back up. I didn't know there was a better forbidden rite to use, though. The transfigured one is much better, thanks
The flask effect node you suggest to take in order to get an extra proj on Dying Sun would NOT give you an extra proj. It is only +5% flask effect, bringing you to 45% which is not enough to give you an extra proj, unless i'm missing something?
Careful Conservationist has Flasks applied to you have 5% increased Effect - not 10% as explained in the video. Natural Remedies has Flasks applied to you have 10% increased Flask Effect though. Crouching_Tuna probably mixed them up, works perfectly well with 2x Mana and Flask Effect (5% increased Flask Effect), Natural Remedies (10% increased Flask Effect). And Nature's Concoction - from the Warden of the Maji, 30% Flask effect if you've hit an enemy recently). +3 Projectiles for around a Divine Orb investment.
If we put Cast on crit and Forbidden rite in our Mana forged arrow setup. It needs to be on a 6 link then or else we can't use Power CHarge on crit? Is there any other ways to get power charges?
hello! I'm working on a TS build and using your guides. I have a question: Is Lioneye's Fall Viridian Jewel not a good jewel? Can I use it? Also, can I use Blood Rage?
Lioneye's fall is an awesome jewel but there may be better places to spend points; you can get a bunch of crit and attack speed with LF in the power/frenzy wheel socket next to the claw and dagger wheels but probably not more than you'd get by going south instead and taking the crit on blind and onslaught masteries which also give other bonuses. If you already have one there's no reason not use it if you want to You can totally use blood rage :) I usually try to eventually pick up a 'blood rage on kill' bow
I'm going to use Tornado shot with this and it will make me give up on Power charge on Crit suppoort(which was linked with manaforged arrow), any alternative ways to get power charges?
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Well there is 3% power charge on kill veiled for rings, but 3% is quite low 😒
a suggestion in case this applies: if you have culling strike in your manaforged arrows setup you can drop culling strike and get a tincture with culling strike implicit
So if my math is right, using this tech, and having just 2 flasks and the tincture, we could be getting +8 proj, in addition to whats already gained from tree and deadeye. So 13 proj, and +1 from TS quality. I guess that begs the question of if a 14proj TS setup will give you more benefits vs. Charms. Tho you still lose the backpack. I javent swapped to TS yet, but if you can manage to drop the boot gems, you can keep the 30%MS from magi, which is certainly nice
Also, if you're going the self hit route, some old tech we've forgotten about is "4 charges when hit" modifiers on your flasks. Back in the day, when you could get 8 charges .. it was insanely good for just normal mapping on any build. But with a self hit build ( like when I used Hiltless ) , even 2 per attack is crazy good. It means that while it wont be helpful for unique flasks, you can use a lot of low flask use magical options and the passive mastery that gives you 4% life on flask use, to get some insane health recovery.
I find it better to either run ~~the new mechanic in white maps to get these yourself~~ or just run a good currency strategy and farm for the charm ( as these are also becoming expensive now)
@@Dargor_ OK I just looked it up in poedb and it's lv81-83 ( though it gives to all cause I found 1 div worth charm and tincture before so thought it ain't locked behind map lvl)
It's more of a degen than a hit, because it simply costs you life than mana if you use lifetap but forbidden rite costs mana and on top of that takes a chunk of health from you.
Warden gives you 30% move speed + maphack. Meanwhile charms give you a bit of damage + backpack? But you shouldn't be picking up that much junk anyway...
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A note to anyone who is going to farm them.
You are looking for the one with 2 projectiles. According to market all of them are ILVL83+, so technically you should be looking for them in a t16 zone.
Well the tinctures are already 10+ div after a hour, gonna be probably around the same price as 1 charm
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@@Intestine_Ballin-ism It goes to show that Tuna is stacking projectile speed, as the news of this tech has spread incredibly quickly.
@@NatiiixLP and this is why I ain't touching a bow build with a 10ft pole lol. Yall talking about proj speed improving clear like it's hot water
That’s amazing I have 8 of them. They aren’t rare at all. I farmed act 8 reset a map into the other map reset to get wildwoods for an hour. I think I averaged about 2 a run with resetting. I don’t think anything is uncommon
these are i83+ so t16 maps only
Magi is legit helpful for ghosting since you can see the ghosts and rares on the map. Also legion, the chests show as unique mobs. Feels like maphack and idk if I can go back to not having it…
lol thought I was the only one
What is Magi? Did I miss something?
@@Andexorumwarden of the maji
Add a small cluster with enduring composure and you get perma endurance charges as well
remember that the careful coservationist on the right side gives 5% flask effect plus the two mana nodes
so thats 15% unless i am missing something you still need 5% more
thats correct down on tree we got 10% effect
@@Assasyn87 dont we have 15% ?
5 from the conservationist on the right side
And 5% each for the mana nodes in the middle unless we only take 1 of those
Right, it's better to take Natural Remedies + 2 small nodes
for the forbidden rite setup you could also use call of the void + winter weave for self chill.
That's sick
hey man I tried this setup but its not chilling, I got both rings and tried self chill with self cast and cat on crit but its not working
@@PauloVictor-tz9bg I imagine it's because you're using the trans version and not actually dealing yourself enough damage to chill yourself? Or you have chill avoidance/immunity somewhere?
The careful conservationist node only gives 5 % increased flask effect so with the tincture and the mana nodes it adds up to 45% or am i missing something?
He must have meant Natural remedies
damn, was waiting for the price on these to go down.... they started at 8 divs a few days into the league now they gonna go back up. I didn't know there was a better forbidden rite to use, though. The transfigured one is much better, thanks
these tinctures jumpned from 100 c to 6 divines and rising
RIP
The flask effect node you suggest to take in order to get an extra proj on Dying Sun would NOT give you an extra proj. It is only +5% flask effect, bringing you to 45% which is not enough to give you an extra proj, unless i'm missing something?
This tincture went up to 12 divine orbs... Been an hour only...
Careful Conservationist has Flasks applied to you have 5% increased Effect - not 10% as explained in the video.
Natural Remedies has Flasks applied to you have 10% increased Flask Effect though.
Crouching_Tuna probably mixed them up, works perfectly well with 2x Mana and Flask Effect (5% increased Flask Effect), Natural Remedies (10% increased Flask Effect). And Nature's Concoction - from the Warden of the Maji, 30% Flask effect if you've hit an enemy recently).
+3 Projectiles for around a Divine Orb investment.
Which potion should we drop if we do add a tincture?
cool. now the price is up to 2 divs
5 div now
8 now
🙄
If we put Cast on crit and Forbidden rite in our Mana forged arrow setup. It needs to be on a 6 link then or else we can't use Power CHarge on crit? Is there any other ways to get power charges?
The new unique jewel or a cluster
cool this is now 20 divs.
Mana forge is great if anything totem and minion builds seems broken.
hello! I'm working on a TS build and using your guides. I have a question: Is Lioneye's Fall Viridian Jewel not a good jewel? Can I use it? Also, can I use Blood Rage?
Lioneye's fall is an awesome jewel but there may be better places to spend points; you can get a bunch of crit and attack speed with LF in the power/frenzy wheel socket next to the claw and dagger wheels but probably not more than you'd get by going south instead and taking the crit on blind and onslaught masteries which also give other bonuses. If you already have one there's no reason not use it if you want to
You can totally use blood rage :) I usually try to eventually pick up a 'blood rage on kill' bow
What tool is showing the currency conversion in your trade searches?
Better poe trade
does that activate on blood rage?
I'm going to use Tornado shot with this and it will make me give up on Power charge on Crit suppoort(which was linked with manaforged arrow), any alternative ways to get power charges?
Well there is 3% power charge on kill veiled for rings, but 3% is quite low 😒
a suggestion in case this applies: if you have culling strike in your manaforged arrows setup you can drop culling strike and get a tincture with culling strike implicit
there's a mod like this on body armor
I got this same issue
So if my math is right, using this tech, and having just 2 flasks and the tincture, we could be getting +8 proj, in addition to whats already gained from tree and deadeye. So 13 proj, and +1 from TS quality. I guess that begs the question of if a 14proj TS setup will give you more benefits vs. Charms. Tho you still lose the backpack.
I javent swapped to TS yet, but if you can manage to drop the boot gems, you can keep the 30%MS from magi, which is certainly nice
What flasks would you use? Tincture, dying sun, quicksilver, diamond?
Magi wall hack is very nice for legion.
You’re also getting that 50% flask effect on your other 2 utility flasks
i can't even find +2 proj tinctures in trade anymore. lmao
Also, if you're going the self hit route, some old tech we've forgotten about is "4 charges when hit" modifiers on your flasks. Back in the day, when you could get 8 charges .. it was insanely good for just normal mapping on any build. But with a self hit build ( like when I used Hiltless ) , even 2 per attack is crazy good. It means that while it wont be helpful for unique flasks, you can use a lot of low flask use magical options and the passive mastery that gives you 4% life on flask use, to get some insane health recovery.
you have to get hit by an enemy for that mod.
Doesn't work anymore when you hit yourself, specifically for the reason you said it's been patched away. Something else has to hit you for the flasks.
its already 10 div 3 hours after the video :D
i would lose the backpack tho so ill pay 100 divs for +3 instead kappa
Dying sun literally spiking in price already
nice 50div on hc, you gotta love hc econemy sometimes.
I find it better to either run ~~the new mechanic in white maps to get these yourself~~ or just run a good currency strategy and farm for the charm ( as these are also becoming expensive now)
A lot of modifiers are only found in higher tier tho no?
@@Dargor_ :o I didn't knew it's locked behind power level for charms and tinker
@@Dargor_ OK I just looked it up in poedb and it's lv81-83 ( though it gives to all cause I found 1 div worth charm and tincture before so thought it ain't locked behind map lvl)
There were far too few of these on the market for them to remain 100c
and there goes the tinture prices! xD
Price has increased slightly (10 times) xD)
Does lifetap count as hitting yourself ?
No
It's more of a degen than a hit, because it simply costs you life than mana if you use lifetap but forbidden rite costs mana and on top of that takes a chunk of health from you.
For only 50 divines you get to play t16 map Pog
Warden gives you 30% move speed + maphack. Meanwhile charms give you a bit of damage + backpack? But you shouldn't be picking up that much junk anyway...
Thank You friend, i made almost 3 mirrors thanks to this video))
and its 12+ divine already ^^
a shame though
Big kiss big boi :* nice video
Is this as good as Dying Sun?
yeah they are 10 div now :D so RIP
lol 10 div now gj tuna
I'd say that video aged poorly but it didn't even have time to age!
cool tech
Tincture is lready 10 divs lol
I have everything you mentioned above, but i still got the same amount of projectiles ( 5 ) With or without tincture and gem setup. Any helpers?
tried that with HH and got ES mod and killed myself xD also wont recommend using this tech while running with aurabots
I sold mine for 3div :ccccccc
The second you post things like this sad losers buy and flip the items you talk about and the price increases 10x, Pointless.
pretty much. people should shut up and let people figure it out. smh.
lol 12 div
no longer pretty cheap lmao
8div = 100c YEP
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They always say it's going to be cheap. You know as soon as you put out video saying something is cheap people just buy it out. Jack up the price.
compared to 30 div for 1 arrow charm i'd say it's pretty good even at 6 divs