CrowdStrike has solution to IT outage, but everything still not back to normal

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
  • John Dwyer, the director of security research at cybersecurity firm Binary Defense, says a final solution will require a significant amount of manual effort to implement.
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  • @kattmilk
    @kattmilk หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    Typewriters, fax machines, AOL and pay phones... ASSEMBLE! 😂

    • @user-uk1uu9vt8z
      @user-uk1uu9vt8z หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Pigeons … cash / gold sovereigns

    • @Matthew-tf5xe
      @Matthew-tf5xe หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Telegraph

    • @mbk7771
      @mbk7771 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The avengers

    • @kattmilk
      @kattmilk หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mbk7771 Correct! But these antiquated machines are more like "Dessembled"!
      Not even Stark could save us from the Crowdstruck mess we're in now! 😂

    • @earleebyrd
      @earleebyrd หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      smoke signals

  • @DedesFewscres
    @DedesFewscres หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    having 1 supplyer is as bad as a massive cyber attack.
    I'm a cybersecurity manager and we were impacted too. thanks crowd strike. I wont be surprised if this brings crowdstrike down.

    • @jasonhing
      @jasonhing หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Sorry but as a cybersecurity Manager you should know that Crowdstrike is not the 1 supplier. Your corporation chose to use Crowdstrike as the cybersecurity product and affected by this. Millions of other cybersecurity managers in millions of other companies that did not choose to use Crowdstrike don't have this issue.

    • @asokawhite
      @asokawhite หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is why they teach to have a Diverse infrastructure.
      So a single error can not bring everything down.

  • @potato2941
    @potato2941 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    This is not a glitch! It’s failure to follow basic software QA and staged roll out. If the company just rolled out to it’s corporate PC they would have noticed this.

  • @vmura
    @vmura หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    the Malware protection software becomes the Malware

    • @tholmes8474
      @tholmes8474 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      same guy as mcafee remember them?

    • @QuantumNaut
      @QuantumNaut หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Windows OS to Crowdstrike Malware protection: You were supposed to destroy the Sith not join them!😳

    • @sentenialxmen3227
      @sentenialxmen3227 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@QuantumNaut LOL

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is an anti virus still a virus​@@sentenialxmen3227

  • @Me97202
    @Me97202 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    No worries… CrowdStrike and CenterPoint executives will still get their huge year end bonuses.

    • @RiDankulous
      @RiDankulous หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow, I was tense, but now I’m breathing as sigh of relief, knowing that😂

  • @Gabriel-ll2iv
    @Gabriel-ll2iv หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    A real Y2K.

  • @erbol0011
    @erbol0011 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    It is gonna be pain to manually fix and recover windows everywhere

    • @kt11540
      @kt11540 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Tell me more

  • @Cubeytheawesome
    @Cubeytheawesome หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    This has to be the funniest thing in the business world ever.

    • @cheesecakefan4880
      @cheesecakefan4880 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are total bird brains

    • @rizkyadiyanto7922
      @rizkyadiyanto7922 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it happens more often than you think.

  • @vallee7966
    @vallee7966 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Time to look for a government software company only. Enough of this private enterprise crap. How many of AT&T’s customers were hacked recently?

  • @user-hf3do3vu1j
    @user-hf3do3vu1j หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Crowd strike needs to beta test their update before deploying it to all the company’s

    • @thomasng664
      @thomasng664 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They claimed they did😂

  • @fandyllic1975
    @fandyllic1975 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is one of the few reports where software quality assurance was prominently mentioned… this is part of the problem.

  • @gallopr
    @gallopr หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Theres more issues with threat protection software than the threats 🤣

  • @lauras5649
    @lauras5649 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love that they gave their IT team a shout out.

  • @thomasng664
    @thomasng664 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Crowdstrike has really strike the crowd😂

    • @pb.j.1753
      @pb.j.1753 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      *struck

  • @glep3570
    @glep3570 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    So, how many people died due to this?

  • @Speedster-dj6yx
    @Speedster-dj6yx หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Just proves we rely on technology too much and it’s very bad

    • @coldbrew6104
      @coldbrew6104 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not bad, mistakes happen all the time even without technology. This inconvenience is worth how more efficient our society operates with technology.

    • @ttrev007
      @ttrev007 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the fact that we suffer so much when the computers don't work shows how useful the computers are. They do a huge amount of work. without the computers we would not be able to do a lot of the things we do today. computers are not bad, the flaws are just the price we pay for the power they give us.

  • @RiDankulous
    @RiDankulous หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It is important that reporters say “there is a fix available “not that “the problem has been fixed“.
    There are many many computers that still are not fixed because the correction software has not been applied either companies that own these computers
    They have a very laborious process which requires sitting down at each computer and doing several steps to fix it. Some companies have tens of thousands of computers. Of course their tech-support staff is larger but it’s still gonna take many days.

  • @sneakyquick
    @sneakyquick หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Everyone: You better not have any cyber attacks.
    Everyone: Why did cybersecurity software make my computer go down?

  • @frankyhonnolus5528
    @frankyhonnolus5528 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Stay home, people

  • @integsoft
    @integsoft หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Did they test the update or do some dry runs? I smell class action . . .

  • @lampkinmedia
    @lampkinmedia หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I work for a tech company and thankfully we were not affected. I updated my laptop to windows 11 which I understand wasn't affected. It's different windows ops that were affected. Everything has to be done manually to fix the issue which is why it will take time to get everything up and running. Glad it wasn't a cyber-attack given the fact that AT & T just had an attack recently and data of all its customers were breeched.

    • @PoliticalFacts-NoMAGA
      @PoliticalFacts-NoMAGA หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can tell you that my wife works for a national company, and they use Office365 on Windows11 and all of their PC's that rebooted overnight were BSOD.
      But either way, it didn't matter much because the PC's that didn't BSOD still were not able to access the server data. So, it seems that Win11 was impacted, but don't have any idea what server OSs, or versions of Windows server they use.
      I have several PC's at home online 24/7, 2 running Win11with Office365, and one on Linux Mint and none of those 3 were impacted.
      Seems Office365 Corporate may be the tie in. Not sure how seeing as it seems like the UEFI or boot instructions were impacted. My guess id because Office365 is cloud based.
      No confirmation on the rest yet.

    • @cheesecakefan4880
      @cheesecakefan4880 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I still use windows 7
      So im good😂

    • @PoliticalFacts-NoMAGA
      @PoliticalFacts-NoMAGA หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cheesecakefan4880 Win7 was a great OS. Very stable for over 10 years. But, I'm surprised that your browsers still work seeing as it won't get updates for HTML5. Hopefully you are not making credit card purchases with that Win7 PC.

    • @lampkinmedia
      @lampkinmedia หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cheesecakefan4880 Let me say this the outage did affect some people who use windows 10 and 11 ops. It didn't affect windows 7 so you are right you are good because it didn't affect windows 7. However I wasn't affected because of location and because of the fact that my tech company has systems in place to protect against failures like this which are rare.

    • @jasonhing
      @jasonhing หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lampkinmedia You do know that this so called outage was a product update failure. Nobody wants to call it that. Your company did not use Crowdstrike and is not affected, just like the other millions of companies that DO NOT use Crowdstrike are not affected. When are people going to get it that is has nothing to do with Microsoft.

  • @fluffy5534
    @fluffy5534 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Crowd Strike is negligent. Obviously they don't test their patches before deployment. Shameful. Crowd Strike and Microsoft should enforce rigorous testing before deploying patches from any company. They should also have a significant roll back process to be enforces at the first sign of problem.

  • @Scatherfirst
    @Scatherfirst หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's called predictive programming. Getting us read for the big shut down next year.

  • @athenagreen5390
    @athenagreen5390 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Not everything is going to work all the time. It sucks for hospitals and people with cancelled flights, though.

    • @cheesecakefan4880
      @cheesecakefan4880 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you for your enlightening contribution .

  • @Canaris_Kiss
    @Canaris_Kiss หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Whatever you do, don't work with Hertz. 😅

  • @_eaturveggies01
    @_eaturveggies01 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’m not Donald Trump, but CrowdStrike…. *YOU’RE FIRED!* 🚫🚫!!!

  • @lukekibbles
    @lukekibbles หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    This is what happens when u fully put ur trust in technology without knowing the full implications behind it. Corporations are moronic

    • @Cubeytheawesome
      @Cubeytheawesome หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let’s not forget how Microsoft killed Minecraft by having the devs be lazy af.

    • @athenagreen5390
      @athenagreen5390 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Cubeytheawesome Little bro you're younger than minecraft. It's good that you're taking an interest in the adult world, though.

    • @cheesecakefan4880
      @cheesecakefan4880 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@athenagreen5390 Give us a break

    • @dianaverano7878
      @dianaverano7878 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imagine if people will rely on AI entirely for anything in all industries.

    • @ttrev007
      @ttrev007 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this is what happens when one company take up to much of the market. but i actually think in this particular instance i think that this happened because of a lack of basic testing before pushing the update.

  • @WoodenViking
    @WoodenViking หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Now they know how Houstonians feel dealing with Centerpoint last week after the tropical storm lol

  • @lt5071
    @lt5071 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Watch it be some smart teenager living in mom and dad’s basement eating hot pockets with empty bottles of Mountain Dew. Lmao

  • @Neimfeltrite
    @Neimfeltrite หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There's a lot of folks out there who are going to lose patience, get frustrated with their bricked computers and have windows revert their operating system back to day 1 and lose all of their stored info. The aftermath of this glitch will be epic.

  • @ttrev007
    @ttrev007 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how did they not catch this in testing? did they even test the update? this was not some niche failure condition. the flaw should have immediately shown up in testing.

  • @lucasalister3882
    @lucasalister3882 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wouldn’t blame IT people for hating the ceo of crowdstrike it makes their jobs harder

  • @VanzRao
    @VanzRao หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We've all been crowdstriked

  • @Lsjc777
    @Lsjc777 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They sure did STRIKECROWD

  • @jrsx5826
    @jrsx5826 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    A “glitch “ 😉

  • @sixbutton9
    @sixbutton9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She literally asked, don't you have a backup plan and he said no.

  • @brycescott4935
    @brycescott4935 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Power grids, Tech…… Texas, y’all are in trouble lol

  • @jw8160
    @jw8160 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They say Worldwide, but only show images and information from the United States. 🤦‍♂️

    • @adh2298
      @adh2298 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Um, probably because 99% of us live in the US… and because they’re a news network based in the US… and because the problem that caused all this was based in the US. Any more stupid questions? 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @StellaSable4891
      @StellaSable4891 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      EU and Australia affected as well.

    • @jw8160
      @jw8160 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@StellaSable4891 Worldwide

    • @jw8160
      @jw8160 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@adh2298
      1. I didn't ask a question. I made a observation related to the statement they made.
      2. Air travel is international.
      3. Information in this day and age flows internationally. Some of those "99%" would really like to know about events happening other places in the World; they aren't just concerned with their neck of the woods. Especially if the information involves their travel to another country that they paid thousands of dollars for.
      4. The company that caused the problem is based in the United States but affected the World with their mistake.
      5. I suggest that you move your bed so you get up from the other side and aren't so grouchy and rude.

  • @user-hf3do3vu1j
    @user-hf3do3vu1j หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How the hell can one server cause this disaster don’t they have redundancy this will happen again if they don’t fix this

    • @baruchben-david4196
      @baruchben-david4196 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think the problem with "redundancy" is that the redundant systems use the identical software... so if there's a software problem, the redundant systems crash as well.

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    25 mins they be back up on line lol

  • @williamfugatt5003
    @williamfugatt5003 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sorry tripped over the cord but i plugged back in

  • @Speedster-dj6yx
    @Speedster-dj6yx หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was working. It was stressful man 😂

  • @michaelgebauer5235
    @michaelgebauer5235 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The solution is a logistical nightmare, particularly when disks are encrypted - and this is the case for business users who are affected

  • @timofeyo4002
    @timofeyo4002 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just a test before the new reset starts

  • @frankm7707
    @frankm7707 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Uninstall everything and reinstall everything 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @sentenialxmen3227
      @sentenialxmen3227 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol. It won't work because the Anti Virus on the company computers usually got pushed to all clients' OS

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    it took the guys hr's to figore a 25 min fix lol

  • @bobsidog
    @bobsidog หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yikes! I am right here in Austin TX, lived here a little over 20 years, this is crazy!

  • @nigeljohnson9820
    @nigeljohnson9820 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make software companies liable for the damage resulting from automatic updates.

  • @benbohannon
    @benbohannon หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What’s a Microsoft AIR screen?

    • @jeffreysimeonshin
      @jeffreysimeonshin หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Microsoft "error" screen

    • @nicktrump
      @nicktrump หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask bill gates he’s the man with the on-off switch 😊

  • @druu988
    @druu988 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine if the stock market all crashed due to this

  • @geel.wms.6424
    @geel.wms.6424 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wasn't able to get my prescription filled.Thank God I'm not completely out😮

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    once in safe mode you're c:\ windows then then system 32 then Drivers if you have CrowdStrike at the delete it then go back if you see that file c-ooo delete it but restart you're computer All Banks Hospitals airline s
    do the same thing now

  • @lt5071
    @lt5071 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    SKYNET is becoming self aware…

  • @jessepinkman1853
    @jessepinkman1853 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did they tried to turn servers off and on again?

  • @keemp1273
    @keemp1273 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What’s the whining about flight delays for? Please, if you are upset because the airline wants to be safe and not fly, go fly then

  • @dr9gonkid20
    @dr9gonkid20 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These guys smell like they don't have a class action coming

  • @welpen2006
    @welpen2006 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Europe was affected much less than United States of America. ❤❤

  • @TheSouthernMensch
    @TheSouthernMensch หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sure it’s not a cyberattack

  • @byssmal
    @byssmal หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lawsuit incoming

  • @ydne
    @ydne หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looking like the Emergency Routing around infrastructure issues, in CrowdStrike Headquarter's state of Texas, after Hurricane Beryl might not have been included in the offending update. The fix update likely deals with that. ***not official, only a guess

  • @StellaSable4891
    @StellaSable4891 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Testing the waters.

  • @AlpenSkyWatcher
    @AlpenSkyWatcher หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep centralizing everything.

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeahs can thank a canadian here for fixing it

  • @Jameswormsley319
    @Jameswormsley319 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @k.anthony7460
    @k.anthony7460 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    First covid, now power grid and global outages, next digital currency?

  • @clintonmatthews1507
    @clintonmatthews1507 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Someone stole a lot of money

    • @lukekibbles
      @lukekibbles หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That and the money lost in business today. This attack was probably for a way deeper reason

    • @mojoswifty360
      @mojoswifty360 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lukekibblesTest run for when Trump takes office.

  • @user-uk1uu9vt8z
    @user-uk1uu9vt8z หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    someone sad roll back to yr previous update …
    Plus don’t allow for automatic updates, let others update first then update second if no glitches …
    Plus I’m no expert 😂.

  • @chrisperkins3026
    @chrisperkins3026 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    9 minute ad for Blockchain. Wake up people 🤨

  • @asimkasir
    @asimkasir หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like how the hell you going to patch your fix to all this computer in a bluescreen state? They all need to manually restart and force your update to all their terminal which some are in places hard to reach and the numbers of terminal you have to restart and fixed will definitely cost them thousand of dollars on top of the money they are lossing every minute... Like we fixed it lol...

  • @byssmal
    @byssmal หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cybermageddon

  • @markprincekomedian9820
    @markprincekomedian9820 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Y2K24

  • @HelloWorld-hb7yt
    @HelloWorld-hb7yt หลายเดือนก่อน

    i know how to fix this but i am just 2 handed.

  • @tonythaiger93
    @tonythaiger93 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm stranded in Japan 😢😢😢😢😢

    • @lukekibbles
      @lukekibbles หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh no u poor thing, how will u ever survive?

    • @ydne
      @ydne หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think you may be a victim of Hurricane Beryl.

    • @Speedster-dj6yx
      @Speedster-dj6yx หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hope your ok ❤

  • @KAMB_n_Jinx
    @KAMB_n_Jinx หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mistake? Or test. What’s next.

    • @ChineseKiwi
      @ChineseKiwi หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a literal TH-cam channel that goes through global IT outages and presents them in a sarcastic presentation style. The channel’s name is ‘Kevin Fang’.
      Not everything is a damn conspiracy and if you watch some of those videos, the common theme is just incompetence and/or a thing that was overlooked.
      Never attribute to malice what can be more attributed to stupidity.

    • @KAMB_n_Jinx
      @KAMB_n_Jinx หลายเดือนก่อน

      Posted for reaction comments only. Agree poor IT implementation is the cause. Just love seeing the comments from questioning the source of stuff like this. My experience is every update my company internal IT makes breaks something. My IT lacks protocol for proper testing and no one seems to care. The lack of upfront prep for me at work causes so much extra work.

  • @NomadNavigator-re2bt
    @NomadNavigator-re2bt หลายเดือนก่อน

    CROWDSTRIKE SHOULD HIRE SOME INDIANS HENCEFORTH

  • @sentenialxmen3227
    @sentenialxmen3227 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SELL the Share ASAP!! Huge lost on the next 5 years revenue. The company might not make it. LOL

  • @foodiegal9923
    @foodiegal9923 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok, who’s trying to screw with the election this early on?🤔 #practicerun

  • @notjustforhackers4252
    @notjustforhackers4252 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Linux

  • @cheesecakefan4880
    @cheesecakefan4880 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I bet Russia isnt affected by this😂😂😂😂
    Putin is no dummy

    • @mclwizlon
      @mclwizlon หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah they just can't afford computers

  • @metuberob
    @metuberob หลายเดือนก่อน

    there is a foolproof solution, crowdstrike, it's called go back to security school and learn about the whole process including testing software in an inert environment thoroughly before releasing it or ... get out of the security business since you don't actually know what you are doing ..

  • @KA9DSL
    @KA9DSL หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Who updates software during heavy using? Bunch of Idiots, thanks MicroShaft, Linux or Ubuntu is a better OS.

    • @baruchben-david4196
      @baruchben-david4196 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It may be better, but for some reason Windows is the go-to OS. I guess it's just people figure it's safer (for their jobs). Back in the day there was a saying, "No one ever gets fired for buying IBM." The idea is that even if there's some other better system, IBM is familiar - and the bosses like it.

    • @Me97202
      @Me97202 หลายเดือนก่อน

      MicroShaft. That’s what Trump has according to stormy Daniels.

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน

    not if yyou delete this cause the Microsoft fix it still be there.

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes don't relesde software before testing it on there controled enviorment

    • @Me97202
      @Me97202 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your spelling sucks.

  • @VibhorWase
    @VibhorWase หลายเดือนก่อน

    The internal story is that this was an attack on crowdstrike but they won't admit it coz of, you know, investors! BTW reliance on single piece of software.. Monopoly of Microsoft, crowdstrike, Adobe... All of them .. there needs to be diversification of technology. Sheep mentality

  • @BrandyHeng007
    @BrandyHeng007 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Snowden is Russian citizen

  • @KCC22211
    @KCC22211 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Clown Strike.

  • @Steve-gc4lr
    @Steve-gc4lr หลายเดือนก่อน

    I sent Joe Bidens office the fix . I just gave you

  • @chewy1709
    @chewy1709 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Buy chinese software...simples

  • @Deathscroll41
    @Deathscroll41 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂

  • @volcanicforming
    @volcanicforming หลายเดือนก่อน

    create code with shutable bug force send to selected addresses
    hysteria (the unaffected have legal liability to potentially cool off their operating systems creating domino effect)
    propaganda ensues
    corps/govts will push to legislate forced centralized security updates
    same operating systems internationally far too many addresses
    $ elective Psyop

    • @baruchben-david4196
      @baruchben-david4196 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nope. Just sloppy QA. There really isn't a way to enforce "centralized security updates." For one thing, it wouldn't affect Mac or Linux systems.

  • @elephantroom9699
    @elephantroom9699 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who pays for all the money lost? I’m sure some deals were lost

  • @brydgetburke341
    @brydgetburke341 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FYI all helpdesk and IT support WE ARE VALUABLE!