Everything Everywhere All At Once: A Full Discussion - Intentionally Blank Ep. 59
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Brandon Sanderson and Dan Wells give a full review of Everything Everywhere All At Once, including a dive into the cast, crew, and creation of this wacky film.
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Produced by Adam Horne
Sound engineering and editing by Daniel Thompson
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I have to say, I think the weirdness added to it for me. I had both of your reactions, going "is that maybe too weird?" and "wow they must have had fun writing this", but ultimately I think it works in-narrative, purely because they made nihilism the primary antagonist. When nihilism says "nothing matters, so join me in apathy", the film retorts with "actually, everything matters so much, no matter how absurd or silly or asinine you may find it, join me in caring about it". And I found that wonderful.
BEAUTIFULLY PUT. I love this. Encapsulates my undying love for this gem of a movie
This is a great way to put it.
I agree, the juxtaposition of 'look how ludicrous everything is!' early in the movie and the end realisation that everything is significant in some way, to someone, gives a catharsis to the ending.
About 2/3 of the way through, I was honestly worried that they couldn't stick the landing on this movie, but they did it with great style.
Agreed, I also think it added some comedic relief and that some things they’d go back to like the raccoon worked as a “long-joke” where it was “funny, then not so funny, then funny again” and just made me enjoy the movie so much more.
Yes! The fact that the everything bagel = nihilism (nothing matters, you do the same old same old, go to work, do taxes, and just eat and everything bagel for breakfast) vs the googly eye = life full-filled (sticking googly eyes on literally anything immediately makes it come to life, have a personality and starts to make the world feel more alive and more fun) was an excellent - if absurdly silly - metaphor for the meaning of life that I personally adored
The thing I loved about EEAAO that you guys sadly didn't mention was the philosophical and psychological discussion. They basically showed someone going through an existential crisis and demonstrated the two ways secular people often reconcile that - nihilism and absurdism - but did so in an easily digestible and entertaining way that was equal parts laugh-until-you-cry and then actually cry.
Also the rock scene. God that scene was so powerful.
Yes, that rock scene!!!
For me, Racacooni was the best alternative universe. Michelle had to fix the problems she has caused in other people's "universes". She takes responsibility and actually responds to the "you've taken everything from me" line. She had ruined the lives of some people in that universe, and she met their norms and set things right. She met them on their level and she finally made something "better" instead of letting things crumble around her.
And also, returning to Racacooni 5 times was basically saying that people's lives are not jokes. People believe in their realities, and you cant just step in and ruin what they consider to be important to them. Returning to these universes 5 times was hammering the theme that people's internal lives are as real as your own.
I cried during the Racacooni part where she piggybacks the guy.
@@ryanciesiolka9435 “it’s a good thing you’re not alone” 😭
Fun fact: Racacoonie is voiced by Randy Newman.
The idea of my favorite author simultaneously imagining and telling himself a new bedtime story every night is just great lol.
I resonated with Joy the most. As a nihilist, there was a long time where I struggled with the meaning of life and the reason, or the absence of, to continue. When I get to the part of the movie where we discover what was going on and what Joy wanted to do, I was already tearing and low key crying for the rest of the movie.
The most astonishing part of it was that when Evelyn achieved the same status as Joy, essentially understanding that nothing matters, she arrived at a different conclusion as Joy. Where Joy decided that nothing matters and therefore all should be ended, Evelyn decided that nothing matters and therefore we can do anything and everything. This was the journey that I went through, to finally decide to become Evelyn.
What resonated with me the most was actually not at all the stuff that was discussed here, where everyone watches the same movie but see different things and arrive at different conclusion, proves that this movie truly is everything everywhere all at once.
I think that being the child of an immigrant parent made the movie hit a bit different (in a good way) for me. The dynamic of the daughter and mom hit close to home. Glad you guys enjoyed the movie!
Same. I think the last speech by Evelyn was supposed to be sweet and funny when she called her fat and berated her. But for me that is the only way I could imagine my mom starting a conversation like that. Also it would just be her being honest and not trying to be funny
I, like Brandon, knew only 1) Michelle Yeoh and 2) multiverse. I went in almost completely blind and I didn't know what I was in for. I LOVED it. It was amazing.
All i knew was my wife liked the trailer. I had braced myself for a romcom
All I knew was that it was about an immigrant family that owns a laundromat having marital issues lol. By far the best introduction I could have had.
When my wife and I watched the movie I loved it immediately and my wife didn’t. It’s been a month and it’s now my wife’s favorite movie because she just kept thinking about it. Even found her in tears just thinking about Waymond. Now we have googly eyes everywhere
My adult son & I saw Everything Everywhere All at Once several months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks for your discussion.
Loved the movie. Nothing felt too weird to me in a way I could not accept and keep caring about the characters at that moment. Totally agree with Dan's take on that. It's that "this is too weird for me" that we need to overcome to truly accept someone and understand their perspective. When something is weird to me I look into myself for reasons I perceive it that way more than rejecting it on that premise.
This was an amazing movie, most I've ever laughed and cried in the theater in my life. The absurd portions that might take others out worked perfectly with the crew I was watching with. Life is often absurd, and yet we can come to love and care about it, so I can love a rock or raccoon in like 2 minutes. 10/10
Fun fact, this entire movie was filmed under two months on a budget of 25 million
For context: *One* episode of Obiwan cost around 25 million to make.
Let that sink in
VFX were done by a team of 7 during the pandemic in their apartments! Goes to show what you can achieve with sufficient foreplanning and post-prod time given to artists.
Where are you getting the budget for Obi-wan? I’m seeing $90 million total, which is about $15 million per episode not 25.
@@Euphoniumstar the $25 includes advertising and stuff, I saw that somewhere else
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I like how you commented that the father's role and fight scenes seemed very Jakie Chan-esque. They originally wrote the role with him in mind.
All of the actors in the movie were amazing, but Ke Huy Quan was next level, I need to see him in more movies/shows now! He brought such a level of humanity into the movie and he had to portray a wider variety of characters in the film and he knocked each one out of the park!
I agree! He stole the show, which was hard to do because everyone else was absolutely excellent
For years I've seen Navani in my mind's eye as Michelle Yeoh
SAME!! Glad I'm not the only one
Not sure they understood what was going on in the second part of the movie with the powers. The way they explain it is basically that if you do something incredibly improbably for you to do while wearing the headset, the multiverse basically glitches out, and you take advantage of that to borrow memories from another you. To get to a specific universe, they need to do a specific action, but doing any weird thing basically lets them jump to a random universe, that is still within their 'neighborhood' of the multiverse. Evilyn goes 'off the map' to the sausage universe because she didn't do anything weird. In the second part, they're Jacky Channing it with whatever memories they can get, and just using those skills as if they were kung foo. They aren't breaking the rules established, it's just that all the characters are desperate and throwing shit at the fan to see what sticks.
Well, seems to me like the "award" scene was a bit contrived in that sense, getting two skilled fighters at once, what are the chances? Especially since the chances are so slim for everyone BUT Evelyn; she is the one consistently skilled person outside her own universe... or whatever making something out of your life entails. They aren't necessarily breaking it, but let's just say that sphincters aren't the only thing being stretched in that scene.
And everything they throw at the fan just happens to be flawless kung fu.
Well the first guy is directly communicating with his team and asking for a jumping pad, so I don't see what's unlikely about him getting kung fu skills there.
Yeah when Brandon was saying they threw the rules out the window I was like "did they though???"
I can totally accept your criticisms of the too-silliness of the end. Indeed, it was grotesque and offputting, especially after the fact.
However, in the moment, the emotional beats transcended the silliness for me.
The experience was sublime - a molotov cocktail of emotion exploding out of me, as I smiled and snickered at the absolute absurdity, gritting teeth through a swell of tears borne of existential catharsis. I felt the purpose and the intent of the filmmakers, designed for the first-time viewer. It was great.
Later viewings will tell a different story.
The fanny pack is also a nod towards Ke Huy Quan role in Goonies as "Data", who uses a nearly identical fanny pack in the film.
Racaccooni is this entire movie in a nutshell: crazy, genius, and somehow makes sense even though it seems like it shouldn't.
Any movie that reminds me of Monty Python, Douglas Adams, and Terry Pratchett is a solid win.
The weirdness was not distracting one bit, it was the cherry on top.
I'm glad you guys enjoyed this movie. My friend "ruined it for me". He said it was how he was feeling recently before we went to see it, and I spent the whole movie trying to figure out what that meant.
I didn't know Jamie Lee Curtis was in it until I saw her, and honestly that might have been my favorite performance of her career.
This movie gets better with every rewatch. First time it was my favorite comedy of 2022. Then my favorite film of 2022. Third time it's my favorite film of the decade. Sill climbing the ranks!
I just went to see this on Wednesday and postponed watching the podcast until I'd seen it! Absolutely loved it, I've never seen a movie before that could make me laugh, but also brought tears to my eyes in such close succession. When rich Waymond said he would've done taxes and laundry for Evelyn 😢
The movie was excellent and I loved it. It is hard to describe/ talk about without spoilers. I was telling a coworker about it and she just said she heard it was weird and I was like it is weird! Lol
Michelle Yeoh shared how the Daniels originally had Jackie Chan in mind for the lead and met with him to pitch it and get him to do it. He said he was busy and couldn't do it. Then they reworked it to have Michelle in the lead and I think it worked really well, she did amazing. The style of fighting would fit Jackie as well though and makes sense that they wrote it with him in mind. The whole cast was great in their roles, I really liked Ke Huy Quan as the husband. He was perfect for it
I’m fairly sure the other video got taken down because of an issue with the sponsored portion of the video. Looked like an asset didn’t load when rendering in Premiere, so they fixed it and reuploaded.
I'm so glad you are discussing this movie. I loved every second of it and have been wanting you to do this podcast episode. This movie filled the hole that I think many of us felt after seeing Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, but EEAAO did it in a beautiful way that I don't think could have been accomplished in the MCU. A friend of mine saw the movie when it first came out and urged me to go into it completely blind. Other than briefly glimpsing the movie poster, I was able to prevent spoilers and it was one of the greatest gifts my friend could have given me. The movie was so completely different than what I went in expecting, but put me through a rollercoaster of emotions that was an experience I'll never forget. I'm so happy that this film exists and think it is worth every bit of praise it gets and more!
"I've been reincarnated as a shark, but I used to be a dog. I still act like a puppy, and now people are dying but I don't want them to."
Coming soon to a theatre near you!
I'm dying from this shit. I hope someone makes a light novel cover that has a shark with anime girl eyes
Tsundere sharks
You know if Stephen King had pitched it,they'd already be in talks with Matthew McConaughey to voice the Shark-Puppy
That could perfectly be the pitch for an Isekai anime
I have to disagree with the movie breaking its own rules for its magic system, although I will say the rules are broadly defined to make it convenient for writing. When Evelyn first verse jumps to the janitor’s closet, she not only has to do the weird thing, but also imagine herself being in the closet. So I think intent (lol) matters a lot for verse jumping.
There are also three points (hot dog, sign spinner, and hibachi chef) where it clearly shows she is taking a shot in the dark and hoping she gains a skill that will help her, and is briefly confused about what universe she is in. She wanted a skill to slip out of handcuffs, she wanted a skill to fight at long range against a dog flail. This is my fan theory I guess, but since there are probably infinite universes where she is a hibachi chef, she happened to go to one where racaccoonie exists because she just had a conversation about it earlier and the concept was fresh in her mind. Same thing with hot dog hands, she just confessed her love for Deirdre earlier.
The only one I can’t really explain is why both of the guys needed butt plugs lol. But that choreography was so good I couldn’t care. (Fun fact: those two guys have a TH-cam channel where they do martial arts choreography!)
I was hoping y'all would discuss this movie ❤️
For Racacoonie: by this point in the movie she is as powerful as Jobu. I saw her doing that as someone who can re- write reality
To Brando sando, as a Brando sando fando:
I really feel like those ridiculous and emotional moments were the point of eeaao.
The idea is to be repulsed and shocked out of the moment with the character the first time you see these moments aspects of each world. Hopefully by the end we can stay with Michelle and feel the emotions she feels as we both return to the ridiculous moments and choose kindness and empathy.
The punctuate it with an even sillier moment because they want you to recognize that and feel the emotions anyway. I remember feeling similar to how you describe when the mustard and ketchup "ejaculation" scene happens. "Woah, that's a bit much" and then choosing to laugh and appreciate the beautiful moment of communication and committed love the bridges a protagonist and an antagonist across all multiverses.
In the end if it didn't work for you it didn't work, but I encourage you to imagine that it is both serious and silly and feel both things at once, should you watch it again.
Thanks!
I stopped this video just before Brandon said you should stop it and watch the movie first--and went and watched the movie. I'd seen the first few minutes before and it didn't appeal to me, but when both Dan and Brandon said they loved it I decided I had to watch. So, I did and I loved it. I like that left me feeling like everything matters.
"I am not a serial killer" - Shark, probably
You have no idea how excited I got when I saw that you two were discussing this. I had to quickly skip ahead and check that you actually liked it though ... spoilers! Then I allowed myself to start the podcast from the beginning :)
ETA: Also, I'd have to double check but my recollection is that it's a relatively low budget movie and they did a lot of the effects on a fairly low budget and the stunt team was very small. Stephanie Hsu said they only had one version of each outfit so it's so weird to think of how much they could achieve based on all of that.
They movie had a budget of 25 million. The visual effects were done during lockdown by the directors and seven other people (mostly music video directors) in their homes on their own computers - you can actually see them in the movie, one shot while the many versions of Evelyn are shown is them on a Zoom call. Most of the stunt team was credited as actors (11 or so) and the rest was credited as "additional stunt performers" to reflect that. But yes, the stunt team was pretty small.
Misunderstood shark with a dog brain is the plot of 'How to tame a dragon?' 😂
Chekhov's butt plug aside, I LOVED/hated when the husband had to paper-cut the webs of his hands...and in a brief moment when the consciousness was returned to the mundane he off camera cries "what happened to my hands!" So fuckin good
I was in the middle of listening to this before went the old upload went private. What changed?
The mind of a dog inside of a great white shark really feels like Nightblood to me
I love that you guys referenced FLCL for animated weirdness.
Arguably, one of the greatest movies that I have watched in cinemas since the year of Parasites (2019-2020)...and I usually watch 2-3 movies per month in cinemas on average. Also great review of the movie guys!!
37:27 I agree with this critcism, although the throwing IS explained by the brief scene that they show of a rocket taking off, I think the implication being that this Evelyn verse jumped to get that power, or was using a multitude of powers at once similar to Jobu Tupaki.
Everything Everywhere All At Once is the best movie I watched this year.
I was so excited for Everywhere for months and it totally payed off on the hype for me. I love Michelle Yeoh and A24 and now I love them even more.
Huh, why did this video go private then go back up?
It's 2 minutes shorter so I guess something had to be cut
Brandon, that is sharkdog on Netflix and my kids love it
So glad you guys reviewed and loved this movie. I thought it was so good and didn’t expect y’all to watch this.
Of course “Everything Everywhere” is the most Dan movie. It was made by 2 Daniels.
The Orville is the true successor to star trek.
ive been waiting for you guys to talk about this im so happy rn
Brandons dream sounds like the show SharkDog which my son loves.
FLCL REFERENCE?!?!?! ❤️❤️❤️🤣🤣🤣 I need to follow these two more closely!
Posted in the old video before it was taken down, but 3 points:
1) Star Trek: Discovery is polarizing, but I'm glad it exists if for the sole reason being to let Strange New Worlds to have been made. It's a fantastic series that harkens to the best of old-school Trek. The format is back to being an episodic and a true ensemble cast (with serialized character arcs), the acting is stellar (especially Anson Mount/Cpt. Pike and Ethan Peck/Lt. Spock), and the episodes, while not being anything groundbreaking, are well-written.
2) Ke Huy Quan left acting because he was disappointed with the lack of role diversity for AAPI actors in Hollywood. It was thanks to the critical and commercial (western) success of Crazy Rich Asians that he decided to return to acting.
3) I'm in complete agreement with Sanderson about feeling like the the weirdness and grossness was a bit too much, and distracted me from connecting with the messaging & emotional beats. It's the reason why I also rated the movie a 9/10. Maybe after a rewatch, when I'm less "shocked" by the absurdity, I can appreciate the messaging more.
Now I need to see a light novel from Brandon and Dan
We saw this only knowing the bare minimum from the movie description, other than hearing from other that it was awesome, and to absolutely go in not spoiled. Was sold from the moment very early when the husband did all the weird parkour stuff on a security camera and then went back to "normal".
Brandon's shark story could fit totally in "The Boys", like a part of The Deep's background story in a Vaught Family Movie straight to DVD and I would watch it with glee
Love Death and Robots would absolutely be able to nail the demon dolphin friendly shark story.
Just in regards to the 'weirdness' and the 'do weird things to tap into other timelines' I saw it more as a metaphor for letting yourself live life. If you never do anything at all, you end up in a world where all you're doing is Taxes and Laundry. However, if you let yourself do things, experience life, have fun, be with others, and just explore the world around you like how kids and teenagers do then sure you'll do some dumb weird ass stuff, but you also have stories to tell, you've lived a life, and you'll never even have dreamed where that life will take you.
Experience life; live it, don't be afraid to be silly is a bit message I took away from the movie.
Didn’t realize I wanted to hear a shark bark till now.
I've actually seen a video that had a shark bark. It was some video about how aquariums feed them.
I just kept thinking of the running gag about the world without shrimp...
34:40 I only ever noticed the ketchup thing on the TV in the laundr-o-mat. After that I never noticed it at all, and I watched it twice. lmao
Best part about this is that even though it's nothing but spoilers it doesn't spoil fucking anything because the movie is so random I still feel like I'd have to watch it myself to understand what the hell these guys are talking about.
Dale & Tucker with Jaws…it would be a hilarious one-shot
I love DS9 & Discovery & Picard. Some episodes of TNG
I was listening when this got taken down!
28:00 brandon could make a pretty good vesion of this in the scadrian newspaper thing using gold shadows
One interesting thing that I’m not sure how widespread this knowledge is, so I’m sorry if everyone knows…but the same director directed “Turn Down for What” with Lil Jon which is very similar stylistically to the movie.
There's a clip of them showing that music video to Michelle Yeoh on set, and it's amazing.
This kind of reminded me of the anime "Darker than Black" where the people with powers, "contractors" have some sort of action that they have to do to use their superpowers.
Now that you mention it, it really is similar to Darker Than Black in that way.
Yeah, I mean there are some obvious differences, but I see where you're coming from.
It's actually a bit surprising you don't see personalized requirements for abilities in stories more often. They're kind of an interesting limitation and they would work really well to foreshadow certain events or hint at particular character flaws.
Pity Darker than Black isn't more popular, the premise was fairly interesting, character designs were solid, music was good, and overall the original series had a very distinctive vibe. We don't need to mention 2nd series.
I specifically watched this movie just so I could listen to this podcast on it, lol but I'm glad I did because I also enjoyed it as a 9/10.
The creative magic system and balance of so many multiverses was great (and FINALLY fight scenes with interesting and dynamic choreography when she uses their core wounds to pacify them with objects from the muktiverse) but funny enough I think the real reason Brandon didn't like the woman tossing the raccoon wasn't because it was undercutting the mood or anything but moreso that he loves consistent worldbulding and that literally and figuratively threw him off (distracted him as he said).
And it does this because he loves worldbuilding and that violates some worldbuilt believability that so often can throw someone off.
Like seeing a bear in a phone booth or whatever it was that Dan discussed in a previous episode where they don't try to hang a lantern on it and the reader is like what the hell was that?
Sure they can explain away a lot using the multiverse zaniness (like maybe the butt plugging thing was because they were both coworkers in the alphaverse that shared a similar experience and therefore had the same Kung fu trigger) but basic stuff like hijacking a weak middle aged woman's body and suddenly tossing a guy 20 feet is obviously not possible.
The Friendly Shark Sounds like a bedtime story that Cheech and Chong would have told their kids
If the shark wanted to play catch they would definitely need a bigger boat.
So it's jaws meets the iron giant.
Edit: Dolphins already are evil.
This hit the nice balance of quirky yet emotional 😭.
I don't mind spoilers. In fact I often enjoy new media even more if I go in with some discussion points to watch for. :) I want to see this movie, haven't yet, but am totally gonna watch your video first.
I just saw this two days ago. perfect timing!
The first half of the story idea Brandon had reminded me of the Netflix show 'Sharkdog'. It's an ok kids show. It does get annoying, like all kids shows do, after the 30th or 40th rerun of your kids adamantly requesting it, but it's not the worst show my kids watch.
Around the point the evil dolphin came into it he sorta deviated though. Lol
I think getting bogged down in the details of whether the racacooni was too wacky is missing the point - this is a movie that has hot dog fingers but _also_ tells the most successful emotional story of both philosophy of existential dread & nihilism and familial love I've ever seen, and that's the genius. It's a shame they didn't really talk about theme in this video
In a previous episode, Brandon said something to the effect that he doesn't like the multiverse, since it trivializes things that were high stakes. He references the Thanos storyline in the MCU as an example. In light of this, has your view of a multiverse trivializing any sing universe changed since watching this movie?
I imagine the difference there is, in *franchises*, the multiverse is sidestepping already existing stories you've already invested in and saying they weren't important. THis one is self contained and designed around the concept and the single message, so its a different beast.
@@robbybevard8034 which movie is it?
@@sanadafox1182 ...the movie they're talking about in the video title?
@@robbybevard8034 oh that’s the name of the movie? Thought it was just a random ass title Brandon made
its so cool to see brandon getting sponsors now
EEAAO tech for borrowing skills reminds me a bit of the stamps in The Emperor's Soul.
I need that friendly shark movie stat
Finally watched it. The World-ending Bagel reminded me of that Devin Townsend weird concept album Deconstruction in which he sings about finding the ultimate truth between the buns of a cheeseburger. It's a heavy album, but give it a shot.
Literally a Dan Movie… made by the Daniels
The shark thing should be a movie, starting Jeff Goldblum as the guy who befriends the shark.
Or Jeff Goldblum as the shark - that would be fine too.
You didn’t even mention the rock reality! That was my favorite!
Re: Star Trek. I'm of the opinion that we're in the Joel Schumacher era of Star Trek right now. If we can just get through it, we'll finally get someone in charge who "gets" Star Trek (I hope). Strange New Worlds is close, it's ok, but I agree that it feels like they stumbled into it and even now they still refuse to fully commit. I do really like Prodigy, though! VERY nice surprise. It feels more like Avatar: The Last Airbender, which works much better for me. There's an endgame for the season, but it doesn't dominate every moment of the show, so the characters have time to breathe and develop, and it's not dark at all. I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes!
I tried Prodigy, hated it, then tried again a few months later (thanks to SNW) and still couldn't get into it. I'm glad you like it. I especially hope it brings kids into the franchise.
@@danwells9305 👍🏼 It worked for mine, at least!
Well since it was re-uploaded, I'll rewatch the first 11 minutes, before Dan Exhorts I not watch for having not viewed the requisite movie
I finally watched this movie last night and now I can finally watch this episode 😂
For whatever reason my brain immediately went to Fido from Snow Crash with that Good Jaws idea
Oh no. I haven’t seen this movie yet haha
Guess I’m waiting to watch this video. I’ll get a treat later on. 😁😉
I think that they missed the fact that Raccacconie was a movie, and in the universe where that movie existed was also a universe where Evelyn was an actress, that’s why she knows of Raccacconie, because she was in the movie. So the ridiculousness of her throwing him onto the truck to rescue Raccaccoonie isn’t ridiculousness in a different universe, it’s ridiculousness in a movie in a different universe. So for me it works fine.
5:24 Brandon casually trying to not get cancelled.
What happened? Why did this get posted again?
Lets go, this was the best movie i've seen in a long time
I'm a simple viewer. I see EEAAO, I watch and like.
Also the everything bagel is the kraggle and this movie was an adult version of Lego Movie.
I want to know what's in those 2 minutes that you cut before re-uploading 🤔
I didn't catch anything off when I viewed it earlier. 🤷
If you find out let me know please
This movie was fantastic.
Sanderson has a couple Emperor's New Groove t-shirts. I reeealllyyyy want to hear him talk about that movie
Movies that rival EEAAO's weirdness: Sorry to Bother You, Tanpopo, and new wave like Un Chien Andalou and La Jetee
Sounds like you guys wrote Jabberjaw goes to Amity Island.
Loved the movie!