7:56 Although uncommon, centaurs with rifles used to prowl the land, especially in North America and Australia. Unfortunately they were extinguished at the same time when the Soviet elves began to forge the first Mosin-Nagant. However, there is no other relationship between the two facts. If you ask why they used rifles, well, it was to reach fruits in very tall trees, what they did was to down the tree by shooting, so that they can feed.
@@claptrap4084 That happened many years later, when Argentine ants invaded their caves and ate their mead reserves. Mead was important to the dwarves because it gave them strength to mine the hard rock. Therefore, with his last strength, a blacksmith named Roberto threw into the forge a dwarf pick, bronze and some of John Browning's hair ... He proceeded to close the forge and clap 3 times while kneeling before a Chinese man. And so it was that from the forge came a light machine gun with a chain of 200 bullets, which they used to mine the rocks, until the new mead harvest was well fermented.
a better one is a Roman silver denarius which is the same as a us silver dime which is about a 1/10 oz of silver....and a roman solider was paid a dime a day in 1898 the US soldier was paid 13 dollars a month roughly 4 silver dimes a day or .40 cents .....its neat playing with currencies
makes sense to me because you would expect the heavy infantry or cavalry to use this weapon. Like seriously, what a neat gun. Funny though how cost and quantity always seems to undermine good weapons. At least it was not politics this time.
Adding a centaur automatically makes anything 20% cooler... 7@=Q Had he known that, this fellow would be carrying one, instead of just a pistol... www.furaffinity.net/view/1238412/
It's always fascinating to see the plethora of firearm patterns that have been tested and tried through the years. Thank you for another interesting post and history lesson.
I Always "like" your videos, been a subscriber for a long time. Just wanted to say That I appreciate your dedication to your channel and I LOVE your videos and the knowledge you pass on. Some of the best stuff out there :)
The Colt may lack of interchangeable parts production method like the Hall carbine, but the colt was the first adaptation of percussion priming on revolvers.
150 dollars in 1837 is somewhere in the ballpark of 4000 dollars today. So while it was a significant improvement over existing designs, you could reasonably arm a couple (or more) trained men for the price of just one of these.
the Republic of Texas Used them as well as the Revolving Shotgun for the Marines and Navy and Cavalry......thats how the Texas Rangers under Captain Hayes got outfitted with surplus naval pattersons....fun fact the 1851 "Navy" was intended to be called the 1851 Ranger..but Navy stuck cause of the Republic of Texas Naval Battle scrolled on the cylinder
3:40 so what you're saying is that Jacksons mishandling of the banking crisis was one of the reasons revolving rifles didn't take off as well as they could have? Thanks Jackson.
A big issue that these guns actually had was that percussion cap revolver rifles had a very, very big safety concern. When trying to rapidly load these weapons, ending up with some blackpowder in front of the cylinder could have disastrous consequesnces. Now, this is an omnipresent issue with percussion cap revolvers; setting off chambers that you didn't want set off due to stray powder near the chamber after sloppy reloads, but with a normal percussion cap revolver, it at most wasted some time-intensive shots and damaged your gun slightly. However, this being a carbine, the shooters hand was often placed in front of the chambers; holding the barrels to stabize and aim the gun. Result: this misfire would cost you a lot of fingers and possibly your entire hand.
bryant suiskens That's why animal fat or wax was used on the lead ball. It prevented flames from reaching the powder behind the ball. Not sure when they started doing that though...
It could be an issue with undersized ammo or "egged" chambers or a burr on a chamber mouth. If the rite sized ammo was used, and the chambers in good shape, you could pour powder over the chamber mouths and it would not set them off from the front. The vast majority of chain fires comes from the cap end, not the chamber mouth. As an aside, after the first loading there is a good bit of fouling in the chambers, that gets shoved back into the chamber with the lead projectile and makes for an additional seal if there is any imperfects in the projectile. Very few people used any kind of lube over the projectiles either. All lube does is keep fouling soft and accuracy up and the cylinder moving for multiple loadings. Heavier charges like the Walker or rifles used would foul quicker as well. Also, take a look at a cylinder face you've lubed up after firing one round, most is blown off. The good thing is some is left to lube the bullet, and some is blown into the arbor to keep things running. I did an experiment a while back with no lube and after 4 cylinder full's the 1860's accuracy went south quick, and just a couple more loadings and the cylinder had to be turned by hand. Using a simple swipe of crisco and the gun would shoot all day. That said, a bad cap or undersized loading in the heat of the moment could cost you fingers or hand, so the majority of revolving rifles were designed with you putting you off hand behind the cylinder. The cocking ring on this one would suffice to keep you digits out of the way. Even if you did not have a chain fire, which was fairly rare, you have a hot blast of gas against your off forearm. I've read reports of some civil war shooters using the Colt revolving rifle had leather gauntlets to protect against the gas leaking from the cylinder.
forge52100 Well the "ergonomic issue" of getting hot gas blown against your wrist was also a big factor to the massive unpopularity of the concept of revolver carbines. There is a reason why the only revolver carbine ever seen as 'decent" was the Pieper using a gas seal system.
There are indexing single action flintlocks that only require you to pivot the frizzen back into position between shots. Colt denied having seen one before coming up with his patent.
If Ian could get Attenborough to guest narrate an episode, that would be the absolute business. "And here we see delightful stampings of a scene with Indians, deer, and a centaur with a rifle."
im surprised to hear about how soldiers liked it, i read about the 1855 colt rifle wasn't very good due to the blast escaping before the barrel as is typical with revolvers burning the arm and overheating of cylinders complicating reloading
Revolver rifles are cool, some sort of 'alternate history' type deal that seems extremely, extremely plausible. And 'upside down' revolvers look futuristic.
Hey Ian, loved the video, I was wondering if you've ever done a video or plan to do one on the .22 Remington Jet round? My grandfather had a revolver chambered for it and I've been wanting to learn more about it.
Didn't the Allen & Thurber Pepperbox guns automatically rotate the cylinder/barrel assembly each time the trigger was pulled? And since they were double action guns, they in essence were cocking the hammer while rotating. Isn't this essentially what Colt patented much later?
Did Colt issue these with an articulated armor gauntlet for the off hand? It doesn't look like it would handle well with both hands positioned behind the cylinder gap. It'd probably produce better ballistics and accuracy with that barrel shortened by half anyway. Early in the learning curve, this model.
god damn it! im looking through the board and no on can seem to be able to figure out the centaur. its a nod at the cavalry (the guys who might be able to afford the damn thing...) one with horse. ....come on....
1830s, wow, quite a few moons ago. That's around the time that percussion caps were first developed, wasn't it? No wait... maybe the caps were 1820s and the Minie Ball was 1830s or 40s? I remember those two inventions being right around that period; 1820s-1840s or 50s. Been a while since I wrote that essay in College...
Ian, if you get the opportunity could you do a Wesson 2 trigger rifle/carbine. This guns silhouette sorta reminded me of that and i could not find any videos.
So theoretically in the field you could have a number of pre-loaded cylinders, and replaced them in the gun one after another after firing the previous one empty? Kinda like a cumbersome magazine?
With revolving rifles, you don't want to hold them in the traditional manner as the blast from the cylinder gap would injure your off hand forearm. You hold them with your off-hand immediately below or in front of your firing hand, so that ring would fall fairly readily to your off hand.
Except that, with that big ol' long barrel, you're going to have a lot of trouble *not* holding it like a regular rifle. Probably why later stocked revolvers were carbine length or shorter.
I know its not a "Forgotten Weapon" so to speak but nevertheless you always do great reviews, could you please do a review on the new UTAS XTR-12 semiauto shotgun whenever you can get your hands on it.....looks very promising 😉👍
I believe i have obtained a cylinder for one of these rifles. Is there anyone i could send pictures to for confirmation or that might could tell me what it is. It is and 8 shot with the squared shoulders like this and the rings around it. I can’t tell i it ever had the roll die cut into it or not.
+Aidan Templeton Pretty sure you're exactly right that you would use the lever to ease it down, but you wouldn't necessarily have to use your off hand. You could just grab the lever with the middle finger of your shooting hand, pull it down, then pull the trigger with your index finger. If you watch the part where he works the action you can see that the ring is just beneath and slightly forward of the trigger guard, so it should be easy to reach the trigger with your index while your middle finger is in the ring of the lever.
Hey Ian, I think the notion of high ranking officers buying their men firearms is interesting. Judging from some of your other videos it seems like it was a decently common practice. Is that truly the case? Also do you know of any recent examples of this (post-WW2)?
Seems like it would be annoying to use a single action gun where you can't see the hammer. I'm sure it would be easy in the heat of battle to forget whether you ran the lever a few minutes ago before you galloped to some other part of the battlefield. Is there a way to tell if it's cocked?
Hi, - say, in my opinion this cylinder looks more etched then engraved to me... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do a fair bit of etching myself on steel...
7:56 Although uncommon, centaurs with rifles used to prowl the land, especially in North America and Australia. Unfortunately they were extinguished at the same time when the Soviet elves began to forge the first Mosin-Nagant. However, there is no other relationship between the two facts.
If you ask why they used rifles, well, it was to reach fruits in very tall trees, what they did was to down the tree by shooting, so that they can feed.
Kaizer Melrakki Have you skipped your meds again?
What about the Norse Dwarves who invented the LMG????
Genius
@@claptrap4084 That happened many years later, when Argentine ants invaded their caves and ate their mead reserves. Mead was important to the dwarves because it gave them strength to mine the hard rock. Therefore, with his last strength, a blacksmith named Roberto threw into the forge a dwarf pick, bronze and some of John Browning's hair ... He proceeded to close the forge and clap 3 times while kneeling before a Chinese man. And so it was that from the forge came a light machine gun with a chain of 200 bullets, which they used to mine the rocks, until the new mead harvest was well fermented.
>Soviet elves
>first Mosin-Nagant
What?
Your show is incredibly relaxing to watch. It's a little like watching David Attenborough; the calm, collected, informative voice explaining things.
Well someone has the same opinion xD
It made my comment looks like copy-pasted.
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I agree entirely! I wonder if Ian would be interested in reading books for Audible.com.....
I usually put on a FW playlist to fall asleep to
Unintentional ASMR. But yeah, I get it. I like to have it playing through earphones while working.
In 2015, the relative value of $150.00 from 1837 = $3,840.00
or
$1 worth of 1837 dollars is now worth $25
Funny maybe this rifle will be sold around 4000 $. Only 180 years later people are willing to pay Colts prices :)
A gun to hunt and then eat your prey.
a better one is a Roman silver denarius which is the same as a us silver dime which is about a 1/10 oz of silver....and a roman solider was paid a dime a day in 1898 the US soldier was paid 13 dollars a month roughly 4 silver dimes a day or .40 cents .....its neat playing with currencies
"and a...centaur with a rifle"
Was not expecting that at all xD
that needs to be a movie
for the cavalry i think it is very fitting =D
makes sense to me because you would expect the heavy infantry or cavalry to use this weapon. Like seriously, what a neat gun. Funny though how cost and quantity always seems to undermine good weapons. At least it was not politics this time.
Adding a centaur automatically makes anything 20% cooler... 7@=Q
Had he known that, this fellow would be carrying one, instead of just a pistol...
www.furaffinity.net/view/1238412/
Lucius1958
1: Furafinity? Wtf dude!
2: No, he is general staff and would not carry a rifle.
3: Just no
Yeah! I love revolver rifles! Thanks a bunch Gun Jesus.
I’m close to 73 years old, very familiar with guns, and have never heard of this. Thank you for the education.
Considering the ‘chain fire’ hazard, the proper use of the off hand, on this rifle, could be practiced for an extremely high rate of fire.
It's always fascinating to see the plethora of firearm patterns that have been tested and tried through the years. Thank you for another interesting post and history lesson.
Sir, never change !! Especially your intro (personal not video intro ) is always awesome and on point !
I Always "like" your videos, been a subscriber for a long time. Just wanted to say That I appreciate your dedication to your channel and I LOVE your videos and the knowledge you pass on. Some of the best stuff out there :)
Thanks!
The Colt may lack of interchangeable parts production method like the Hall carbine, but the colt was the first adaptation of percussion priming on revolvers.
A FASCINATING history here! It is also a handsome design. This must have been a hit at the auction.
I love your videos and I can't wait for you to post a new one so thank you for posting almost everyday greetings from Slovenia
150 dollars in 1837 is somewhere in the ballpark of 4000 dollars today.
So while it was a significant improvement over existing designs, you could reasonably arm a couple (or more) trained men for the price of just one of these.
the Republic of Texas Used them as well as the Revolving Shotgun for the Marines and Navy and Cavalry......thats how the Texas Rangers under Captain Hayes got outfitted with surplus naval pattersons....fun fact the 1851 "Navy" was intended to be called the 1851 Ranger..but Navy stuck cause of the Republic of Texas Naval Battle scrolled on the cylinder
3:40 so what you're saying is that Jacksons mishandling of the banking crisis was one of the reasons revolving rifles didn't take off as well as they could have?
Thanks Jackson.
That should become a meme, now Obama is going out of office x)
I overslept? *Arigatou Jackson-san*
Tristen Huffman: sorry but Jackson was a fucking badass
Mr.Hands would love that centar and I mean LOVE it
A big issue that these guns actually had was that percussion cap revolver rifles had a very, very big safety concern.
When trying to rapidly load these weapons, ending up with some blackpowder in front of the cylinder could have disastrous consequesnces.
Now, this is an omnipresent issue with percussion cap revolvers; setting off chambers that you didn't want set off due to stray powder near the chamber after sloppy reloads, but with a normal percussion cap revolver, it at most wasted some time-intensive shots and damaged your gun slightly.
However, this being a carbine, the shooters hand was often placed in front of the chambers; holding the barrels to stabize and aim the gun.
Result: this misfire would cost you a lot of fingers and possibly your entire hand.
bryant suiskens That's why animal fat or wax was used on the lead ball. It prevented flames from reaching the powder behind the ball. Not sure when they started doing that though...
+Jack and Justin's Gun Channel crisco
It could be an issue with undersized ammo or "egged" chambers or a burr on a chamber mouth. If the rite sized ammo was used, and the chambers in good shape, you could pour powder over the chamber mouths and it would not set them off from the front. The vast majority of chain fires comes from the cap end, not the chamber mouth. As an aside, after the first loading there is a good bit of fouling in the chambers, that gets shoved back into the chamber with the lead projectile and makes for an additional seal if there is any imperfects in the projectile. Very few people used any kind of lube over the projectiles either. All lube does is keep fouling soft and accuracy up and the cylinder moving for multiple loadings. Heavier charges like the Walker or rifles used would foul quicker as well. Also, take a look at a cylinder face you've lubed up after firing one round, most is blown off. The good thing is some is left to lube the bullet, and some is blown into the arbor to keep things running. I did an experiment a while back with no lube and after 4 cylinder full's the 1860's accuracy went south quick, and just a couple more loadings and the cylinder had to be turned by hand. Using a simple swipe of crisco and the gun would shoot all day.
That said, a bad cap or undersized loading in the heat of the moment could cost you fingers or hand, so the majority of revolving rifles were designed with you putting you off hand behind the cylinder. The cocking ring on this one would suffice to keep you digits out of the way. Even if you did not have a chain fire, which was fairly rare, you have a hot blast of gas against your off forearm. I've read reports of some civil war shooters using the Colt revolving rifle had leather gauntlets to protect against the gas leaking from the cylinder.
forge52100 Well the "ergonomic issue" of getting hot gas blown against your wrist was also a big factor to the massive unpopularity of the concept of revolver carbines.
There is a reason why the only revolver carbine ever seen as 'decent" was the Pieper using a gas seal system.
You find these guns that are so unusual it amazes me. Human encyclopedia.
There are indexing single action flintlocks that only require you to pivot the frizzen back into position between shots. Colt denied having seen one before coming up with his patent.
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Watching your videos talking about guns is like watching BBC animal planet with David Attenborough narrating.
If Ian could get Attenborough to guest narrate an episode, that would be the absolute business.
"And here we see delightful stampings of a scene with Indians, deer, and a centaur with a rifle."
illuminatus3125 xD
* "And here we see the firearms expert, talking into a camera..."
im surprised to hear about how soldiers liked it, i read about the 1855 colt rifle wasn't very good due to the blast escaping before the barrel as is typical with revolvers burning the arm and overheating of cylinders complicating reloading
Very interesting for historic Colt enthusiasts.
I had seen something about these years ago, thanks for showing this great video about a rare but important firearn!
Ian please do a vid on the firepower of the Republic of Texas Military.....and how the navy battle came to be on the 1851 Colt
Ian, your videos are great. A lot of history.
Wow, 150+ on the late 1800's? Dang, that's like 3,300 dollars roughly. Spendy!
Revolver rifles are cool, some sort of 'alternate history' type deal that seems extremely, extremely plausible. And 'upside down' revolvers look futuristic.
Hey Ian, loved the video, I was wondering if you've ever done a video or plan to do one on the .22 Remington Jet round? My grandfather had a revolver chambered for it and I've been wanting to learn more about it.
Didn't the Allen & Thurber Pepperbox guns automatically rotate the cylinder/barrel assembly each time the trigger was pulled? And since they were double action guns, they in essence were cocking the hammer while rotating. Isn't this essentially what Colt patented much later?
BEAUTIFUL
Thanks Ian
Did Colt issue these with an articulated armor gauntlet for the off hand? It doesn't look like it would handle well with both hands positioned behind the cylinder gap.
It'd probably produce better ballistics and accuracy with that barrel shortened by half anyway. Early in the learning curve, this model.
@forgottenweapons will you ever do a video on The Solothurn S18-1000? Thanks
If I am able to get access to one, yes.
god damn it! im looking through the board and no on can seem to be able to figure out the centaur. its a nod at the cavalry (the guys who might be able to afford the damn thing...) one with horse. ....come on....
Centaur with a rifle. HAHAH oh my God I cracked up.
What was the weight of the .525 ball and what was the powder charge?
Dang that's a purty gun. Nice one brother.
I loled at the centaur
Manny Owlstein it's the way he said it that got my sides bursting.
...and we have a centaur with a rifle? Yep, that is a centaur..with a rifle.
That is one sweet carbine, hot diggity damn. Love me some revolving rifles.
I shared this video with someone and the first words out of their mouth was "why does this thing have three triggers? " XD
"and it was a dismal failure"
omg ian you say the best things
That stock looks very comfortable
That cycling mechanism is funkier then James Brown😎
Does anybody know what that Colt "Chanel" logo was? I've seen pictures of that same logo in gold and silver on different Colt Patterson rifles.
It's cool knowing this was made in the next town over from me. Such a shame Paterson turned into the hood though.
6:01 trigger poop
How would you go about decocking this rifle?
I imagine hold onto the lever in it's pulled down position, then pull the trigger and ease it down... Not positive though.
1830s, wow, quite a few moons ago. That's around the time that percussion caps were first developed, wasn't it? No wait... maybe the caps were 1820s and the Minie Ball was 1830s or 40s? I remember those two inventions being right around that period; 1820s-1840s or 50s. Been a while since I wrote that essay in College...
It was expensive back then and it still was expensive when it was bought at this auction
So it's the Barret m82 of the 1830z
Do you have a video on the Gewehr m.95 and if not, can you make one?
"aaannndddd ..... a centaur with a rifle." LoL
that is going to go for a fortune.
Great vid. Let's do one on Lewis and Clarks air gun.
Are the groves on either side of the breech to direct gasses outwards and help prevent a chain fire, or are they there for some other reason?
Beautiful
"The trigger goes *Boop*"
Ian, if you get the opportunity could you do a Wesson 2 trigger rifle/carbine. This guns silhouette sorta reminded me of that and i could not find any videos.
Neat. Do you have a video on the 'infamous' Colt 1858 revolving rifle?
Yes, I do. Its the 1855.
Very nice how much cost this?
Defo think this is were they got the idea for the gun blade for ff
With the length of the barrel and there being a cylinder gap is there a cut of length that this won't work?
So theoretically in the field you could have a number of pre-loaded cylinders, and replaced them in the gun one after another after firing the previous one empty? Kinda like a cumbersome magazine?
Up-vote for centaur cavalry.
How does that Paterson revolver trigger go, again? Boop?
Not sure if 'revolutionary' was a pun.
He actually does that in his vid about the evolution of the Dragoon
Sam Colt's Paterson No1 Model Carbine
for those wondering $150 in 1837 would be about $3,750 today
I wonder how many left hands were mangled from chainfires with these kinds of guns.
Just one per operator.
Wait how do you hold it? index in the ring and middle finger pulls trigger? Weird but awesome. thanks for the VID
id imagine that you take your hand off the trigger to actuate the lever
With revolving rifles, you don't want to hold them in the traditional manner as the blast from the cylinder gap would injure your off hand forearm. You hold them with your off-hand immediately below or in front of your firing hand, so that ring would fall fairly readily to your off hand.
Except that, with that big ol' long barrel, you're going to have a lot of trouble *not* holding it like a regular rifle. Probably why later stocked revolvers were carbine length or shorter.
Cool one.
Do you suppose this would have a problem with chain fires? You know, all chambers going off at once?
I know its not a "Forgotten Weapon" so to speak but nevertheless you always do great reviews, could you please do a review on the new UTAS XTR-12 semiauto shotgun whenever you can get your hands on it.....looks very promising 😉👍
I believe i have obtained a cylinder for one of these rifles. Is there anyone i could send pictures to for confirmation or that might could tell me what it is. It is and 8 shot with the squared shoulders like this and the rings around it. I can’t tell i it ever had the roll die cut into it or not.
This video make anyone else think of the new Colt A1 clone for $2500? Some things never change...
Rifle centaur ftw!
*$115 grand??* Jeeze, Colt weapons are still too expensive!!😅
Imagine if these were the standard issue weapon on both sides during the American Civil War
Shame you didn't disassemble it. Would have liked to see it's insides.
just like those ancient Greek pots
What do you do, when you want to uncock the hammer? I mean it is inside the action.Do you have to dry fire the gun?
+Aidan Templeton Pretty sure you're exactly right that you would use the lever to ease it down, but you wouldn't necessarily have to use your off hand. You could just grab the lever with the middle finger of your shooting hand, pull it down, then pull the trigger with your index finger. If you watch the part where he works the action you can see that the ring is just beneath and slightly forward of the trigger guard, so it should be easy to reach the trigger with your index while your middle finger is in the ring of the lever.
Hey Ian, I think the notion of high ranking officers buying their men firearms is interesting. Judging from some of your other videos it seems like it was a decently common practice. Is that truly the case? Also do you know of any recent examples of this (post-WW2)?
Did this gun have any influence on anyone at volcanic repeating arms?
Tuton25 probably not. it is very different both in action and ammunition.
Can the hammer be de-cocked on this?
Hey just letting you know like every other TH-cam I watch that this has been happening to haven't seen your videos pop up in my sub box.
Is it me just putting 2 and 2 together or is this the pieper 1837 from bf1
Love your videos you where my first sub
Seems like it would be annoying to use a single action gun where you can't see the hammer. I'm sure it would be easy in the heat of battle to forget whether you ran the lever a few minutes ago before you galloped to some other part of the battlefield. Is there a way to tell if it's cocked?
This rifle didn't have cases of discharge of all cylinders at once if they performed quite well?
The embellished horses make two C's. Could it be initials?
Holy shit balls, it sold for $115k. I understand why it did, but wow.
Was expecting a lion or something on the cylinder but a Centaur with a rifle...
Hi, - say, in my opinion this cylinder looks more etched then engraved to me...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do a fair bit of etching myself on steel...
Would it not bee very hard to hold the barrel with your bar hands after a few rounds?
I would imagine that $130 back then was enough to buy a house.
Жаль что не показал как это оружие перезаряжалось. А так всё супер!
that's awsome
God bless
Mr. Sam Colt🇺🇲
Phew yeah looks like $150 in 1837 is like $3577 in today's money.