Better than the Wired Freedom?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Comparison of the Philodo H8 vs the Wired Freedom ebike to see which is the best budget electric bike.
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Thank you for comparisons, I bought the WIRED FREEDOM. It was delivered last MAY, 2700miles later and I love my ebike
how fast is it on flat surface?
@@Sky1I get 31mph on a flat surface no pedaling.
@Sky1 my Wired Freedom hits 36-40 on flat ground with no wind
There is a guy on TH-cam called Papa Blue Shirt, he has almost 14,000 miles on the dual motor Philodo H8, and he's a funny dude...
i love him and his upgrades
I'm pretty sure he also rides in the 30s all the time. Not sure on his range, but I think it's up around 40 as well.
I own a Philodo H8 it will do 35 mph on a flat with a 210 lb rider on a flat with a full battery. top speed does drop a little when voltage drops. As far as range goes I have ridden 30 miles at PAS 4 which is 25 mph. Also to correct a mistake at 4:02 in the video the H8 has two 27 +/- 2 amp controllers NOT 22 amp like similar bikes. so it can draw up to 29 amps which at 48 volts is 1392 watts per motor, even higher on a full charge of 54.6 volts
Dual motors absolutely add top speed. Mine does 26 on a single motor and 34 mph in all wheel with a 300 lb guy on it. I don't understand why everyone keeps saying duals don't add speed. It will leave a wired freedom from a dead stop or uphill with ease. I've made it about 40 miles with pedal assist on single motor. Although dual motor in really steep mountains has killed it in as little as 12 miles. Again, with a 300lb guy on it. I have about 400 miles on it so far. Excellent deal!
I mean that would make sense, as one motor is helping to do the work of the other. So, better acceleration from the torque, plus it helps reduce the load on the other motor for higher revs, similar to if the bike were free running on a stand.
Bought the Philodo H8 too because of the hype, ended up selling it when I got my Wired Freedom finally. It wasn't powerful enough to get up hills in the woods. The range was also really bad, like 25 miles, and my Wired gets 35-40. Also the frame was too jarring without any suspension
No rear suspension! Nope!
One of my coworkers has the H8. we have ridden a few times. My Aventon Level tops out unlocked at 32 mph, and his H8 dual motor will go faster, per gps when i tried it in a tuck on flat ground I got 34 mph in both directions on our local rails to trails. Once it hits 26ish mph though those last few mph come on super slow. It will take about 1/4 mile to really get to speed. To be fair my Level takes longer than that to hit its 32mph top speed with its 500 watt single motor though.
It looks like the Philodo H8 rear motor has the motor cable coming out the drive side. Old style, I think they are using old Bafang motors. The rear hub looks like the old g60, and not the new g62/g63. I wonder if they are actually 1000w nominal motors. It seems like they might be calling it 1000w because the controller is 22 amps and that’s the peak wattage. I question whether those are actual 1000w nominal motors, which would typically be paired with a 30 amp controller. They should have given both motors a 25 amp controller at least. Because a 22 amp controller is sized for a 500w ebike
I own one.. and have checked the controllers they're 27 +/- 2 amps not 22 amps like mentioned in the video
Hill climbing is where the phildo comes into its own. Absolutely destroys any hill you throw at it. I got the same bike under a different brand name, and I think the controllers are closer to 30amps each. Also mine has topped out at 36mph, and depends on how you ride it, but I quite easily get 30mile range on a charge
I just went outside to check the controller above the 48v battery on my Philodo H8 and written on the controller is
"BRUSHLESS DC Motor Controller" Maximum current 27+2a. I even watched "TailHappy TV" review titled " Is the CHEAPEST 35 MPH AWD Ebike Actually Good? Philodo H8 Review" And in his video he states the same thing 27 = 2a controller x's 2 ='s ?? So my question is, " How are you guys getting 22 amp controller? From the Amazon website?
I mentioned this exact same thing myself
There own site says max 22 amp . The second number symbol combo is not read as max 27 amp . To funny
@@jimjr9143 The controllers sold as replacements parts are images of the H7 controllers, which are 22 amp ones, but I have physically seen the controllers in my H8 and they are 27 +/- 2 Amps
I looked at the philodo twin motor but wanted full suspension, as the wired freedom is not available here in UK I went for the Engwe x24/x26. Both will do mph of over 30mph. Range is well overestimated I get about 40mile using pedal assist. Top speed does drain it very quick, I tend to keep to 20/25 mph as a top speed. On normal power. Sport mode is a bit of a joke only lasting for short bursts so i never really go for that.
Yeah, I was once in a situation whereas I lost my DL....lol, that's a problem ! I didn't have electric to consider but I did find a
Tomos moped w/ a 49.9cc motor @ 115 miles per gallon & it had an oil tank that fed the two stroke so no mixing. I rode it
for 3 yrs. It cost me $1200 & I'd seriously consider another gas machine given that there are really no standards that've got
these ebikes safe -n- reliable, yet? Another thing that's keeping me looking is that I'm waiting to see how States are gonna
view all these different bikes? States will determine what must be tagged/licensed by motor size and/or speed capacity?
The larger the wheels the better the control you'll have in an emergency so always consider that in your purchase. peace
I've had about a dozen or so pedal assist gas bikes and the electric bikes are literally a thousand times more reliable and lower on maintenance.
Mine had pedals but it was obvious that they weren't part of riding the one I owned ~ the 49.9cc's pretty much allowed me
to ride w/ no State strings attached(Va/Mich), so I rode it. The only money I spent was I bought an after market muffler
that got me up to about 42mph. So I never spent any maint cash but the vibration wound up opening up the built-in gas
tank. It started leaking & I just let it go. I had made my time & got my DL back - Ohh, no more drinking/driving! I'm only
looking at these b/c they are cool. I just found yesterday that lithium batteries might be dropping in price soon? We'll
see about that one. Thanks for the testament on the ebikes, I like em' enough to be here. peace
I have enjoyed mine for almost 14k miles, and yes it will do 35 or pretty close. I think mine tops out at 34.7.
As far as range, it depends how you ride. I rode 58 miles and still had 2 bars over 1/2 left, I rode for 5 hours that day and documented it all. th-cam.com/video/z6IKP4Bn7Jw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gNXy8xYe-7FaXjYt
I love my Philodo H8, it has been a great bike. Still running the original brakes and motors LOL I did add an extra battery, because I am kind of crazy 😀
my philodo pulls 35mph .. also has 2 controllers , 1 for each end ..
Really well explained. There's no magic when it comes to volts amps and watts and it's simple math. One thing that I'd like more explanation on, is motors and phases and how that works with controllers. Am I correct in thinking that you cannot hook up two motors to one controller, due to the fact that the motors will never stay in phase with each other, and one will always be out of phase with the controller causing poor performance, and a lot of heat. Any help on that would be appreciated. Thanks and keep up the great work.
His math would be fine if he had the correct info. However the Philodo has Two 27 +/- 2 Amp controllers not the 22 amp ones he thinks for some reason.. these are 100o watt Continuous motors not peak. Peak output at 48 volts is 1392 watts at 48 volts per motor and will hit 1583 watts each on a full charge of 54.6 volts.
I've heard nothing but good things about the wires' freedom. That would be my choice, and if I only had $1500, I would wait and save up some more, dollars,
Got a Wired a few weeks ago...love it and they called me to walk through some questions I had multiple times
For 1500 I can get a bike better
how can you compare a full suspension ebike with a front suspension only ebike? unless you ride on a nice smooth surface why would anyone buy a solid rear old tech solid framed rough riding cheaper ebike?
I bought the Philodo H8 AWD, black and white color, before last christmas because it got alot of praise from reviews. My experience wasn't as pleasant. The front brake was rubbing against the rotor and the manual gears wouldn't shift down passed 4th gear right out the box. But I did get it up to 35 mph off a fresh charge.
I got it from Amazon, shipped by them but still sold from Philodo and decided to send it back within my 30 day return window. It is a fast powerful bike, but nowhere near the quality of my 2024 Wired Freedom.
Whoever commented that it's better than the Freedom is just wrong. Just look at the components alone and you'll clearly see the difference. I'm starting to be more selective when it comes to purchasing pre built ebikes now and realized it's much better to pay more upfront for the better quality that will reflect down the line.
I have a Troxus Explorer, 48v Samsung, 20ah, 750w but the display shows 1000w peak. It will go 30mph and will go 40-60 miles on a charge. The Philodo should be able to do that too with 48v, 1000w, and 22ah battery. I wouldn't buy any bike without name brand cells.
DUAL motors for $1,400. ?? Gotta wonder whaT QUALITY the components are?
My E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown 2 wheel drive, dual suspension and TWO batteries cost me $5,100. BIG difference. Where is the money in my bike? IN THE COMPONENT QUALITY AND FEATURES.
At the 5:14 mark in this video TailHappyTV shows the controller in the H8 th-cam.com/video/EO5aPnQ-Qw4/w-d-xo.html
From Amazon I’m good, no judgment on whoever gets one
Assumptions based on nothing, and my friend has a similar bike, it does 35mph and 40 miles throttle only.
Hes wrong about the spèed on the philodo does 35 no prob, ive had it up to 37.2 mph and i weigh 270lbs
Ill go with Ecells Five Star
Same bike less battery from get go too same 250 still not cheaper plus wired is 45+amp controller?
22amp controller is small af
his info is wrong they' 27 +/- 2 amp controllers, or basically 29 amp peak X2
Put a front motor on a wired freedom
Done send me bike lol
I think this video is very misleading on many levels and on many things regarding the H8. I have had one and I'm now at 2400Km of ride and I truly love this bike and its power. It has 2, not one 22 Ah controllers and the total drow is approx 1800W according to my estimates. The battery is very good to carry this monster quite the long ride, trust me. It devours hills and climbs on everything. The Wired Freedom seems like a child-like bike compoared to the H8, to me personally.
Mine has two 27 +/- 2 amp controllers for a peak output of 1583 watts per motor on a Full 54.6 charge and 1392 watts at 48 volts. or 3122 watts Total peak power on a full charge, and 2784 at 48 volts
" 2024 Wired Freedom Suspension Defect" Check this video out on TH-cam. It will make you rethink this is a better bike than the H8.
I like my wired but the companies support went down the drain.
Not for me...they call me any time of night to work through issues and questions
E-Cell at 146nm is almost the same bike as the wired Freedom at 138nm but much cheaper! Your better off with a E Cell!
definitely not "much cheaper"..couple hundred...and its not available yet
@@justinwhite2951 With a code(ks100) the E cell is 1899 free shipping, no tax. That's a lot cheaper than a wired, same bike Wired is 1999 plus shipping, which is $250 plus+$75 insurance
Without a car that is what I consider my ebike is wired freedom. I have a three wheel electric trike. A HJM. A lot of people are considering Ebikes nowadays. I ran across a Doctor she was on a lunch break. I struck up a conversion with her and she was very much interested in getting one herself she was asking me were I purchased it. My point is it's not just the ordinary Joe's interested in saving gas everyone is. LOL it's also a good conversation piece for stricking up conversations with women. 😂
I consistently hit 41 mph on my wired freedom on full battery and I’m 210 lbs. and then a car pulled out in front of me……. I’m okay-ish, the bikes bent up.
THE H 8 IS BETTER TO ME SO STOP DOWNING THE H 8 DO NOT TAKE WHAT HE SAY AM VERY HAPPY WITH IT
YOU WRONG I GOT MY H8 UP TO 36 MILES PER HOUR AND AM 260 PDS SO YOU ARE SO WRONG
E-Cells' Five Star is a better deal than the Freedom, free shipping, $100 discount code, free front rack, and no tax, $1895 shipped. It is essentially the same bike with a few tweaks. It won't be shipping until April though.
21 gears put me of
I ride by my self not with clowns downtown they try to wreck into u on purpose nope
How the heck could anybody say this is better than a Wired freedom? Dum dum.
Top speed 28mph?
Freedom top speed 38ish.
Close video.
top speed i get is 35-41 on h8
And it has rear suspension!
@@josephmora7859I get those speeds on my 2024 Wired Freedom, plus it has a quick release front wheel for easier transport all while being lighter in weight compared to the H8. I've experienced both bikes and know how heavy the H8 is just to flip upside down to work on. No Comparison
hard tail = hard fail
Why is everybody trying to beat Wired? You honestly believe we are gonna buy a Chinese bike on Amazon? Good luck trying to get service...
They are all shipped from China even wired. Get a clue, buddy
@@shagbark54 yes, but good luck with support on Amazon.
Wired are built in China, like most e bikes..
I KNOW THEY COME FROM CHINA. I'm referring to Amazon. Getting service is the challenge.
I built a 48 volt 20ah -1500 watt
26'' fat tire snow bike
all from Amazon for a $1,000 bucks..
And I don't pedal it either
Average top speed is 33mph
(have had it up to 36 mpg)
I'm putting another battery on it to double the mileage
$300 26''Ffat Tire Bike
$300 1500 watt motor
$400 48v 20ah battery
to see it check the video on my page
So if you don't want to spend a ton of money & can turn a wrench & strip wires
You have less expensive options
Yeah you will always get what you pay for