Made this build at the very beginning of the season and it’s alright. Not the easiest to use and it’s more of a gimmick. It will one hit, but then it won’t work at all.
Really awesome gameplay!! Thanks for posting. I checked my vault and luckily I had a demo/swash better devils. Range masterwork and fluted barrel with flared mag. Can't wait to try it out. New Sub
I HIGHLY recommend you run a counterbalance mod too, trust me. Without it, its base recoil direction is almost entirely to the left, it feels terrible. A lot more vertical at 100 recoil direction. Also ty!
This looks like it would be a fun build, but i think it would work better w\ a Pure Poetry hand cannon that has well-rounded and swashbuckler. Swash x5 by itself is a 2 tap, and well-rounded gets to x2 on a grapple melee hit.
@@Mr_Ruhl Only problem is I’d have to play… strikes… to get that lol. I just target farmed better devils, I find it a very accessible gun. Also I prefer this purely because it’s a 140, and it’s strand so I can use harmonic mods. I won’t lie tho that does sound very good!
@@Pandemoniyum I just made a build w\ Kapri's and am using a gnawing hunger that I have w\ swash and drop mag. Drop mag gives it 36 in the mag which lets it proc facet of solitude granting invis\truesight. It's also void, so w\ swash and\or expanding abyss absolutely deletes players affected by the snare bomb. Thanks for the idea!
@@Mr_Ruhl ya of course! Gnawing is a great idea too, I even considered abyss defiant for this video too. 2 taps are just too satisfying for me to pass up tho haha. I think for general play tho being able to proc unravel via just shooting with that gnawing tho is probably a lot better
@@Mr_Ruhl When I’m playing for the neutral game invis I tend to go thorn personally, but that’s preference really, I just like being able to refresh my mag without always reloading
Yo i noticed that your game is louder than you and its kinda hard to hear you sometimes, i cant tell you what to do, but i think itll benefit you and i can only really hear you when your mic peaks, it doesnt matter really but its convenient and i dont wanna sound bossy or sum but, w video informative and very well made ❤❤❤😂🎉
@@javohnthomas7973 no you’re not wrong, I actually broke my mic lmao. I’m in the process of getting a new one, hopefully then the audio levels will sound normal. Genuinely my bad!
@Pandemoniyum lol thanks bro your good but that's amazing to hear I hope you do amazing and I'm calling it in a year or so I guarantee you'll make a name for yourself especially if you play trials and play big names much love🔥❤️😘
@@javohnthomas7973 I usually do trials Carries on weekends! Still tryna build a name for myself, but you’re exactly right, it’s just grinding to get there. Hope to go far in a years time, so much more content to come
@@gommyboi380 tbh I tend to run more support based abilities (think heal nade and whatnot), and often have my melee unbound to snapskate and whatnot. I personally don’t notice it, but that’s probably just because I’m used to it by now. Stylish is a must imo, for the invis mainly, just helps with survivability. You coulddd argue that the slow dodge could be subbed out, but again, you’re only ever really getting 1 ability kill with this setup. That kill then let’s you chain primary kills. Unless you plan on running a Solar hc with swash (which is the garden of salvations hc, no ty), I personally can’t see a use case for gamble (as you’re just never gonna get it up)
@@Revadike fair, but then again 2 opportunities to get health regen for free is never a bad thing per say, considering orb regen isn’t limited to melee kills
I didnt like that you said there is a possibility for grapple melees having a chunk factor like leviathans breath in regards to framerate based momentum differences..
@@calmthestorm2400 tbh the only way they could really nerf it is by nerfing either ability, and they’re both fine rn. They can’t really make it not work because it would take far too much spaghetti code editing to make khepris not proc specifically after a grapple melee
@@Revadike honestly the only ones I cared about were the ones for radiant, woven mail, Extra ability damage, and health regen. I have no clue what their names were, but if it was one of those then yes
@@warriorgoat5939 final shape had me heavy grinding at the start, both raid race, and then the week after with prismatic stuff haha. After that, needed a quick break from D2, back now though, with a lotta stuff to post!
This build sounds super fun but in practice it just doesn't one shot with any consistency whatsoever. I just played 6 games with it, using every single grapple+melee charge to try to one shot dudes. Only one time I got a one shot melee kill and I think it's because someone else had weakened the guy earlier. Unless something's missing from the build description?
@@temisnunez5056 to my knowledge no? The key parts are grapple, smoke bomb, stylish execution, as well as solitude iirc for extra light ability damage on darkness debuffed enemies. I find though that detaching the grapple before you hit someone has been a lot more consistent. Even more so consistent if you happen to actually directly grapple someone and hit that initial 10 damage. By nature tho yes it isn’t consistent, as it relies on the smoke bomb activating AFTER your grapple hits first, this really is just a niche minigame to have fun
@@temisnunez5056such is bungo spaghetti code, like it really isn’t a build problem, it tends to just be a server connection one. Hitting near walls as opposed to out in the open might help too
@@paulvargasjr2926 fair warning! I’m not a fan of it in 6’s cuz you can’t use the momentum you get. In 3’s sure it’s a guaranteed kill, but then you just have no kit for like a minute. It’s fineee, but it doesn’t perform well in sweaty lobbies
@@wookiemellon2038 swash is the only way to 2 tap with a 140. Get a melee kill, goes to x5 stacks automatically for 35% extra damage. Combine that with radiant off of melee, and it’s 115+, which lets me 2 tap. Rose IS better tho, by a long shot. Overall just a better dueling hand cannon stat and perk wise. Better Devils is fun, and has this niche combo, but by all means is not competetive
@@PastorJummp see, that was what I was using before the bow nerfs… you can check the previous vids, my first ones. Sadly tho, with bows being nerfed to hit for 128ish down from the original 146 headshot, and guardian health being increased to 215-230 (0 resil to 10 resil), it’s legit impossible to 1 hit with a bow now. Radiant, swash x5, and triple surges, still hit for just shy of 200 damage (197). Hell, bows at base can’t even 1 head 1 body UNLESS you have all these buffs stacked, or are using the precision instrument bow from warlords ruin SPECIFICALLY against 3 resilience or less. Tldr bows kinda just, well, suck. Can you still make plays with them? Yea of course but like, you get a lot more mileage running practically any other meta option. Still though, I love em, and do still use em
@@maksim7454 very true, in the start you hear me sayin I’m on game 8, and it was because I just couldn’t get a good game with this setup. This build is very momentum driven, and you use all your abilities just for 10 seconds of kill chaining. It’s definitely not practical for high ranked. But, it is fun!
@@darkdemonz-7991 yea like I say in the vid it can be inconsistent. I find some things that improve consistency to be higher framerate, actually attaching them with the grapple, and hitting them in enclosed spaces/near walls. Hope this helps!
nasty build...Better Devils feels so slugish - now i hate myself for not farming out a Spare Rations with swash...oh wait, lucky me, i still have my Dire Promis with swash opening shoot...by the way i would love a Dim or Mobalytic link for the build...
@@josefstrom4865 I have one as well, but I’m using devils PURELY to take advantage of harmonic strand mods, and also to hopefully get one with demo swash for more nade uptime. You can see with my role I prioritize stability, and honestly, it’s necessary for this gun lol
@@Pandemoniyumfalse information tho mate you feel me if someone didn’t know and hear that then what? Just saying it good to put out the correct information or atleast pin a comment that says certain changes as such
@@kingIccus I would if it actually mattered lol. Fact of the matter is when it comes to the one shot, the only important info is that the darkness debuff increases the damage of the smoke bomb. It being sever or unravel in this instance doesn’t matter at all both to performing the combo and understanding it, so like. Really no need
@@willbarnes1282 I mean weighted knife has existed for a while, and necrotic grips let you 1 hit on the arc warlock slide melee, there’s a lotta ways to do it in general lol
@@Pandemoniyum to be fair I did state "yet another" but I get it yeah. And to be fair this combo takes both grenade and melee slots to pull off so yeah.
@@spy-v-spy1848 uhh no lol. For one Speakers helm is brainless. You stand by a turret that makes you effectively immortal. Easy orb gen means faster supers, and in this season both radiant, and damage buffs from surges. Combine that with kvostov and you have the freest loadout ever. It’s healing isn’t even getting touched (which imo is the oppressive part), the orb generation is. Also idk where you got your info but healing auto ain’t getting touched at all lol As for hunter subclasses like. All of them are well balanced besides prismatic, but that did just come out. Strand saw massive nerfs to its dive, grapple melee as a whole, clones, what you’re allowed to do mid grapple. It’s not as good as it once was. The rest of the hunter subclasses are extremely well balanced imo, like when I think of oppressive abilities or aspects nothing comes to mind for hunter at all, besides maybe threaded spectre As a warlock main, and over like, 2k hours at least on each class, I think you’re reachin and reachin far
@@riothegod1831 it’s dependant on which ability procs first, I’m noticing that too now. I find it’s more consistent tho when your grapple is detached and you’re still flying, hope this helps!
Made a build for pve with kepri's using grapple for pve and didn't like it, never realized it'd one shot in pvp
@@ZealBreak-vc1ed give it a whirl! It’s honestly hilarious
@@Pandemoniyum I'll make sure to
This makes so much sense, idk how i didnt see this before
@@ace-vi9085 it’s definitely a unique interaction, I’m just happy it works lol
Cammycakes 2.0 cooking on that one
@@captainnitro923 he’s my heavy inspo for sure
wow that warlock rage quit
Dude was not having it lmao
Khepri’s Sting finally leaves the vault after a few years
@@Shahmane666 Who knew it would only take it one hitting for it to be meta again lmao
Made this build at the very beginning of the season and it’s alright. Not the easiest to use and it’s more of a gimmick. It will one hit, but then it won’t work at all.
@@keithgreen5177 very true haha. It’s fun above all else tho, that’s what I care about
Really awesome gameplay!! Thanks for posting. I checked my vault and luckily I had a demo/swash better devils. Range masterwork and fluted barrel with flared mag. Can't wait to try it out. New Sub
I HIGHLY recommend you run a counterbalance mod too, trust me. Without it, its base recoil direction is almost entirely to the left, it feels terrible. A lot more vertical at 100 recoil direction. Also ty!
@Pandemoniyum THANKS!! It's not the best 140 but it's been my favorite since D1. Keep up the good work.
@@DARTHSKATER7 totally get that, and will do!
This looks like it would be a fun build, but i think it would work better w\ a Pure Poetry hand cannon that has well-rounded and swashbuckler. Swash x5 by itself is a 2 tap, and well-rounded gets to x2 on a grapple melee hit.
@@Mr_Ruhl Only problem is I’d have to play… strikes… to get that lol. I just target farmed better devils, I find it a very accessible gun. Also I prefer this purely because it’s a 140, and it’s strand so I can use harmonic mods. I won’t lie tho that does sound very good!
@@Pandemoniyum I just made a build w\ Kapri's and am using a gnawing hunger that I have w\ swash and drop mag. Drop mag gives it 36 in the mag which lets it proc facet of solitude granting invis\truesight. It's also void, so w\ swash and\or expanding abyss absolutely deletes players affected by the snare bomb. Thanks for the idea!
@@Mr_Ruhl ya of course! Gnawing is a great idea too, I even considered abyss defiant for this video too. 2 taps are just too satisfying for me to pass up tho haha. I think for general play tho being able to proc unravel via just shooting with that gnawing tho is probably a lot better
@@Pandemoniyum any hand cannon w\ 9 or less in the mag can proc solitude in 3 crits. If you have timed payload on one it will proc it in 2 crits!
@@Mr_Ruhl When I’m playing for the neutral game invis I tend to go thorn personally, but that’s preference really, I just like being able to refresh my mag without always reloading
Yo i noticed that your game is louder than you and its kinda hard to hear you sometimes, i cant tell you what to do, but i think itll benefit you and i can only really hear you when your mic peaks, it doesnt matter really but its convenient and i dont wanna sound bossy or sum but, w video informative and very well made ❤❤❤😂🎉
@@javohnthomas7973 no you’re not wrong, I actually broke my mic lmao. I’m in the process of getting a new one, hopefully then the audio levels will sound normal. Genuinely my bad!
@Pandemoniyum lol thanks bro your good but that's amazing to hear I hope you do amazing and I'm calling it in a year or so I guarantee you'll make a name for yourself especially if you play trials and play big names much love🔥❤️😘
@@javohnthomas7973 I usually do trials Carries on weekends! Still tryna build a name for myself, but you’re exactly right, it’s just grinding to get there. Hope to go far in a years time, so much more content to come
@Pandemoniyum great for you bro much love I hope you make it with the most respect , goodluck.
9:50 warlock was maulding after that
@@turtleblazer5488 it gets funnier every time
@@Pandemoniyum facts i watched it like five times in a row before continuing the video lol
If you have the combo, try a verity's brow and Caliban's class item. You would need verity's x4 instead of x3 with the shieldcrush nerf.
Sadly no exotic class items even now lmao
Interesting concept, but i feel like a lack of a grenade-like ability would really hurt, maybe with gunpowder gamble that could be offset?
@@gommyboi380 tbh I tend to run more support based abilities (think heal nade and whatnot), and often have my melee unbound to snapskate and whatnot. I personally don’t notice it, but that’s probably just because I’m used to it by now. Stylish is a must imo, for the invis mainly, just helps with survivability. You coulddd argue that the slow dodge could be subbed out, but again, you’re only ever really getting 1 ability kill with this setup. That kill then let’s you chain primary kills. Unless you plan on running a Solar hc with swash (which is the garden of salvations hc, no ty), I personally can’t see a use case for gamble (as you’re just never gonna get it up)
Hell nah. When i thought i was mastering how to play against smokes w/ my titan
@@sinsalabinho There is no out playing the 1 hit 🙏
Better Already mod may be redundant, because of facet of blessing.
@@Revadike fair, but then again 2 opportunities to get health regen for free is never a bad thing per say, considering orb regen isn’t limited to melee kills
Bro your gameplay is peak not gon lie keep it up ❤
@@The_onlyissue I appreciate it man 🙏 def gonna keep goin, more to come!
I like this video, imma call you Cammycakes 2.0 Keep up the good work
@@jermaine459 Bars, I will 🙏
Its neat and cool but youre just good enough to make it work.
@@admiraltraunt6150 believe me took me plenty of tries lmao, ty tho 🙏
Dope setup thanks for sharing
@@Palayedeuhm of course! Thanks for watching
I didnt like that you said there is a possibility for grapple melees having a chunk factor like leviathans breath in regards to framerate based momentum differences..
@@No_Context_Thoughts I don’t either, but I did test this at lower frames, procced wayyy less
been using this combo too! hella fun gimmick lol hope it wont get nerfed to the ground
@@calmthestorm2400 tbh the only way they could really nerf it is by nerfing either ability, and they’re both fine rn. They can’t really make it not work because it would take far too much spaghetti code editing to make khepris not proc specifically after a grapple melee
You think facet of balance is worth it?
@@Revadike honestly the only ones I cared about were the ones for radiant, woven mail, Extra ability damage, and health regen. I have no clue what their names were, but if it was one of those then yes
Where have you been! Subbed, not snubbed!
@@warriorgoat5939 final shape had me heavy grinding at the start, both raid race, and then the week after with prismatic stuff haha. After that, needed a quick break from D2, back now though, with a lotta stuff to post!
Not a shot at you, but if I see one more hunter video XD
@@mezathras it might seem crazy what I’m bout to say…
This build sounds super fun but in practice it just doesn't one shot with any consistency whatsoever. I just played 6 games with it, using every single grapple+melee charge to try to one shot dudes. Only one time I got a one shot melee kill and I think it's because someone else had weakened the guy earlier. Unless something's missing from the build description?
@@temisnunez5056 to my knowledge no? The key parts are grapple, smoke bomb, stylish execution, as well as solitude iirc for extra light ability damage on darkness debuffed enemies. I find though that detaching the grapple before you hit someone has been a lot more consistent. Even more so consistent if you happen to actually directly grapple someone and hit that initial 10 damage. By nature tho yes it isn’t consistent, as it relies on the smoke bomb activating AFTER your grapple hits first, this really is just a niche minigame to have fun
@@Pandemoniyum yeah I guess. I was excited for an actual one hit grapple build but it's very rare it happens.
@@temisnunez5056such is bungo spaghetti code, like it really isn’t a build problem, it tends to just be a server connection one. Hitting near walls as opposed to out in the open might help too
@@Pandemoniyum solitude? i think you mean courage
ill try this build sometime but i would hope rose and better devil would have different recoil since one is a 120 and one is 140
Well they’re both 140s, devils just has so much less stability, and a worse recoil pattern, so it’s like quadruple the recoil sadly
Im really curious how this build will play in 3's, time to try it!
@@paulvargasjr2926 fair warning! I’m not a fan of it in 6’s cuz you can’t use the momentum you get. In 3’s sure it’s a guaranteed kill, but then you just have no kit for like a minute. It’s fineee, but it doesn’t perform well in sweaty lobbies
@@Pandemoniyum thanks for the heads up!
I imagine you can use your Dodge to get your melee back and some grenade energy 🤔
Why better devils and not rose? I know two tap but what makes it two tap because overall I thought rose is better
@@wookiemellon2038 swash is the only way to 2 tap with a 140. Get a melee kill, goes to x5 stacks automatically for 35% extra damage. Combine that with radiant off of melee, and it’s 115+, which lets me 2 tap. Rose IS better tho, by a long shot. Overall just a better dueling hand cannon stat and perk wise. Better Devils is fun, and has this niche combo, but by all means is not competetive
@@Pandemoniyum makes sense and understandable. I find better devils fun too just because that is what I remember using when the game first started
@@wookiemellon2038 Same, was my first hand cannon
Wouldnt it be more practical with a 1 shot swash bow? I’m not a bow user so this sounds lame, but grapple melee kill>true sight>1 tap with bow
@@PastorJummp see, that was what I was using before the bow nerfs… you can check the previous vids, my first ones. Sadly tho, with bows being nerfed to hit for 128ish down from the original 146 headshot, and guardian health being increased to 215-230 (0 resil to 10 resil), it’s legit impossible to 1 hit with a bow now. Radiant, swash x5, and triple surges, still hit for just shy of 200 damage (197). Hell, bows at base can’t even 1 head 1 body UNLESS you have all these buffs stacked, or are using the precision instrument bow from warlords ruin SPECIFICALLY against 3 resilience or less. Tldr bows kinda just, well, suck. Can you still make plays with them? Yea of course but like, you get a lot more mileage running practically any other meta option. Still though, I love em, and do still use em
Yayyyyyyyyyy I’ve been using this to troll glad to see someone finding this out as well 😂
@@stickupkydd9454 it’s hilarious for sure lmao
I got a demo better devil and a pugilist better devils and id say if you discipline stat is high go for pugilist but if strength is high go for demo
@@jermaine459 I go for demo because hunter dodge can already refresh the melee yknow, but that’s fair
dude found to new meta
@@Exileexe Ruining crucible one build at a time
its good but not really effective against good players, whenever i play comp in adept/ascendant 9/10 times i cant proc it
@@maksim7454 very true, in the start you hear me sayin I’m on game 8, and it was because I just couldn’t get a good game with this setup. This build is very momentum driven, and you use all your abilities just for 10 seconds of kill chaining. It’s definitely not practical for high ranked. But, it is fun!
to one shot you nned to actually "hit" them with the grapple point ?
@@darkdemonz-7991 not necessary but, every bit of chip damage does technically help! Bungies awful servers can make it inconsistent at times
@@Pandemoniyum yeah i see this not work sometimes
@@darkdemonz-7991 yea like I say in the vid it can be inconsistent. I find some things that improve consistency to be higher framerate, actually attaching them with the grapple, and hitting them in enclosed spaces/near walls. Hope this helps!
Its resil based
@@iOhkurama I tested on 10 resil so na, it’s genuinly a tad random
nasty build...Better Devils feels so slugish - now i hate myself for not farming out a Spare Rations with swash...oh wait, lucky me, i still have my Dire Promis with swash opening shoot...by the way i would love a Dim or Mobalytic link for the build...
@@josefstrom4865 I have one as well, but I’m using devils PURELY to take advantage of harmonic strand mods, and also to hopefully get one with demo swash for more nade uptime. You can see with my role I prioritize stability, and honestly, it’s necessary for this gun lol
What shot gun is this?
duality exotic shotgun from the kiosk
@@grayvblurr181 yup, duality!
Bro you got to put this on dim
@@sonwukong3212 I’ll try and see what I can do!
@@Pandemoniyum true I’ve been looking to try and find some pvp builds people got out
@@sonwukong3212 I just gotta figure out Dim haha. I don’t usually use it so, it’ll be a bit
@@Pandemoniyum it’s all good I’ll be on the lookout for your build
Oh no...
@@ineedideaspls6669 Oh yes
I’m gonna fart
@@zanec6139 ⁉️
Grapple unraveles please ******. Not severs why do people get it confused
@@kingIccus was a minor mistake, just didn’t bother to change it after reviewing footage lol.
@@Pandemoniyumfalse information tho mate you feel me if someone didn’t know and hear that then what? Just saying it good to put out the correct information or atleast pin a comment that says certain changes as such
@@kingIccus I would if it actually mattered lol. Fact of the matter is when it comes to the one shot, the only important info is that the darkness debuff increases the damage of the smoke bomb. It being sever or unravel in this instance doesn’t matter at all both to performing the combo and understanding it, so like. Really no need
Grapple melee does not sever
@@VAVORiAL yea that was a mistake on my part, meant to say unravel!
Titans having yet another reason for other classes stealing their thing. (One shot melee's)
@@willbarnes1282 I mean weighted knife has existed for a while, and necrotic grips let you 1 hit on the arc warlock slide melee, there’s a lotta ways to do it in general lol
@@Pandemoniyum to be fair I did state "yet another" but I get it yeah. And to be fair this combo takes both grenade and melee slots to pull off so yeah.
@@willbarnes1282 With how inconsistent this combo is, I’d rather die to it ngl, but I getcha ya
...and yet speakers helm & the healing auto rifle needed to be nerfed all hunter subclasses need to be nerfed... all of them.
@@spy-v-spy1848 uhh no lol. For one Speakers helm is brainless. You stand by a turret that makes you effectively immortal. Easy orb gen means faster supers, and in this season both radiant, and damage buffs from surges. Combine that with kvostov and you have the freest loadout ever. It’s healing isn’t even getting touched (which imo is the oppressive part), the orb generation is. Also idk where you got your info but healing auto ain’t getting touched at all lol
As for hunter subclasses like. All of them are well balanced besides prismatic, but that did just come out. Strand saw massive nerfs to its dive, grapple melee as a whole, clones, what you’re allowed to do mid grapple. It’s not as good as it once was. The rest of the hunter subclasses are extremely well balanced imo, like when I think of oppressive abilities or aspects nothing comes to mind for hunter at all, besides maybe threaded spectre
As a warlock main, and over like, 2k hours at least on each class, I think you’re reachin and reachin far
@@Pandemoniyum I didn't read a damn thing except uh no...yes afraid hunters are in line for a major nerf accross the board.
@@spy-v-spy1848 I think that says more about you than anything else. If that’s the case lemme just sum it up for you: cope
Why bother making videos about exotics when class exotics. Are a thing 😂
@@Fire-Arms- because they can’t do everything? What do you even mean lol
You do know not all exotics are in class exotics and that certain exotics are better than class exotics for certain stutt right ?
@@chikihando2483 My point exactly
AP my goat
Its not consistent
@@riothegod1831 it’s dependant on which ability procs first, I’m noticing that too now. I find it’s more consistent tho when your grapple is detached and you’re still flying, hope this helps!