TO CLARIFY because it's bothering me: Soft syllable (n, w, f, r, etc) alliterations can work easily, I think "now new" bothers me because you have two consecutive u-based diphthongs (vowel glides) with "ow ew" and it sounds kind of ugly. Without a strong vowel to separate those diphthongs, it mushes into itself and becomes a tongue twister.
@@astorrhymemaster I've been wondering why I hate alliteration so much. Perhaps it's stuff like this. Have you looked into famous anglo Saxon alliteration to see if they avoid pitfalls like this?
The lack of specificity is KILLING me in these new Disney songs dude. Why are we making them so vague?? Is it for general appeal? Have we somehow forgotten that one of the most popular recent Disney songs was “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” 😭😭
It might be a production issue. Lack of specificity can happen in early drafts of songs where the melody is whipped up whilst lyrical details and the song’s story placement are still being finalized to save time. So they end up being vague, usually this is fixed, but Disney might be cutting corners
A few reasons: -songs that don't reference any story elements or characters can be decoupled from the musical and just see normal play -first drafts tend to be more vague and less specific, and Disney have gotten progressively lazier and don't do as many iterations anymore -people at Disney are just generally less talented now
@@kipolem53 Because even if LMM has nothing but masterpieces, it'd be a phenomenal score for a movie that has no reason to exist as a "typical" film or as a musical. It's like having the best playlist on the radio for a Car with no wheels.
maybe it's just me but this song feels like how far I'll go but with a new coat of paint. like "what if i go into the unknown (hi frozen2 btw), what if i leave the safety of home, what will happen?" is literally moana's arc in the first movie. she's ALREADY gone though this dilemma, that's done, finished. the second movie is supposed to give her a new conflict. but from what i see it's just the first one all over again, it's so strange and so blatant
not only that but she actually wanted to go into the unknown, she was pulled by it and now shes worried about leaving?? its like the opposite from what she did in the original movie
@@ryannathaniel9296 And The Incredibles 2. They gave their characters the same flaws as in the first movie, and they had to overcome them again, to find out they work better as a team than solo... Well duh, wasn't that the point of the movie released 14 years prior?
Just guessing here based on a sippet from the first full trailer but seems like the sngs in Mufasa are the same songs from The Lion King but with a different coat of paint, as you put it.
can we talk about how if you removed the 2 lines about her sister this would fit SEAMLESSLY into the first movie?? why does Moana's relationship to the sea and adventure feel exactly the same now? and she's supposed to have been sailing and adventuring far and wide for years at this point, it makes NO sense for her to still be thinking 'how could i say goodbye'
@@aeoligarlic4024"I'm not here to hold her hand / will she grow to understand". That wouldn't refer to anyone but her sister, which we can only accurately guess because we already know one exists
Obviously it's very difficult to compare any other style to LMM's, but just look at this next to Moana's song from the first movie. Yes, it worked as a standalone pop song, but it's still pretty specific. There are references to her island, being the next chief, her dreams of sailing, etc. This is just a song about being conflicted about something with the vague metaphor of an ocean.
@@the_wechtinator the thing about the first movie is that it was a mix between three songwriters and you could really feel that they made something special. Here I believe it's just the two ladies from the bridgerton musical so you lose a bit of that Broadway feel
I really didnt notice this until this video, but it seems like recent Disney songs are trying to be divorced from their movies, presumably to maximize profit and listenability. Which is so ironic because all of the most iconic and popular Disney songs are EXTREMELY tied to the characters singing them. Frollos song, the plague song from prince of egypt, etc. Even almost all of the sings from the first moana. I hope the ones in the movie are better!
@cardiganweather Aw man, I jad a feeling I was missing something with that one! It's so hard to associate the "Disney" animated style with any other studio so I shrugged it off haha
Even for modern Disney, specificity always makes the music do better. Encanto’s most popular songs (we don’t talk about Bruno, surface pressure, what else can I do, the family madrigal) were very story or character specific. It’s more frustrating to me that the music is so generic when there are examples from the 2020s FROM THEIR STUDIO that prove that story specific music WORKS.
“I must reply” gives me the mental image of an office worker in a meeting picking up their ringing phone and saying “I’ve got to take this”… while the word itself is not such a great lyric, imagining Moana in a business suit working in an office is hilarious
Counterpoint: a lot of great Disney songs can be "vague" in nature. Other than the lyric about a "magic carpet ride," A Whole New World is just a song about being excited to fall in love with someone. Other than two or three lyrics referencing snow and ice, Let It Go is mostly focused on describing the experience of rebellion and freedom. Reflection from Mulan doesn't directly reference Mulan's struggle with gender roles in ancient China, rather it's a song about the experience in general of not being able to express your inner identity, which is something a lot of people can relate to. When a song thoughtfully touches on a universal topic like love, independence, etc. it will have broader appeal because it touches a lot of people's emotions. The issue isn't lack of specificity as much as it's uncreative songwriting that doesn't connect with people. If you write a song that doesn't have a meaningful emotional punch to it, and just feels like it's trying to be a top 40 pop hit, then the song will be a disaster.
Moana two was originally supposed to be a like eight episode Disney plus series, put like near its completion Disney decided to turn it into a full length film. None of the original actors were back LMM wasn't a part of the show, and they literally fired voice cast that they had to get the original actors for Moana and Maui to re-dub everything.
@PonConAgain9718 I think the big problem is that even if it is mediocre it's being projected to have a similar financial boost to inside out 2. That means that this is going to become the new norm for Disney again
I know that it was supposed to be a Disney plus show but did they scrapped the idea of doing it as tv show and make it to a film after they were done with animation and voice acting if so then it will most likely to not have any smooth connections between episodes to episodes we are so doomed
This seems to have the same issues as other modern Disney songs. They're trying to make it extremely vague to make it radio-worthy but that makes it MUCH less interesting.. The worst thing you can say about a piece of art is that it's boring, but that sadly seems to be Disney's new normal.
They keep trying to replicate the success of "Let it Go", it was MASSIVE, it was EVERYWHERE, it would play in the mall, I worked at a night club and it was the most requested song, i did karaoke nights and most nights it was just that song 15 times in a row, we had to regulate it!!! 😂😂😂!!! All the celebrities were covering it, it was in adverts. I was also an actor at the time and every audition i went to, numerous people had that as their audition song. It was all over the place. And it was a musical song!!! How she is feeling, where she is, where she wants to be, how she is going to do it and by the end she is there!!!!! The bridge talks about her ice powers, specific to the character & movie she is in but no one cared about that!!!! The people loved the song, loved Elsa specifically, and they loved the movie. But Disney keeps putting storytelling LAST!! they put the music second last!!!
It doesn’t fully make sense to me either? Like sure obviously we have songs like “Let It Go” and “A Whole New World” that are good songs in their movies but vague enough to play anywhere and became super popular but what about “We Don’t Talk About Bruno”? It’s about as specific as it can get but is still one of Disney’s most popular songs.
"Reflection" from Mulan was a big 1990s pop hit because of its broadly relatable lyrics. But it's an amazing and tearjerking song. The problem isn't broadly relatable themes...those are good to have if you want a song to reach a lot of people. The problem is that songwriting for modern Disney movies has gotten more utilitarian and less creative. It doesn't pack a meaningful emotional punch like it used to.
I feel like Moana 2 also has a huge problem with story. Like the cringy dialogue of “little sis!” “big sis!”, which is literally only there to tell the relationship they have rather than show it. The random background funny character who’s scared of everything. To me, even when Moana was my favorite movie for a long time, it never needed a second movie.
It’s so weird that current musicals keep trying to make their songs as non specific as possible so they’ll get more successful on Spotify and TikTok, but the songs that grab people the most and are the ones that are inseparable from their context. Let It Go is the most successful song they’ve ever made and you can’t divorce that song from Elsa and her story, try replaying the song in your head without the images of her letting down her hair and building her ice palace, it’s impossible.
It's funny because "We Don't Talk about Bruno" is the most successful song Disney has ever made. It was also super popular on social media despite being extremely specific to the story.
@@workrelatedprojectyeah like Disney how did you not learn from that but also didn’t learn from what you did in Wish? DISNEY YOU’RE MAKING WISH 2 AT THIS POINT
Reading these lyrics without the tune, I literally felt like I was reading, like... the Italian version of How Far I'll Go after it had been passed through google translate
agreed....and frozen 2 songs werent that good because they felt like they were literally just for marketing and not deep at all. They had no sustance, they were just songs
Yea it has that same vagueness to it. However I must say at least into the unknown actually establishes the internal conflict Elsa has better than this song ("[...] deep down I'm not where I'm meant to be?/Every day's a little harder, as I feel my power grow/Don't you know there's part of me that longs to go").
Very true! And Into the Unknown is so bland too, it's weird that they keep trying to make it like That when Let it Go was such a bigger success and that one is more related to Elsa's story than Into the Unknown's ambiguous nothing
@@ItsJae_37they had a deeper story and plot in their deleted scenes, but nah they went with the white guilt narrative LMAO (I love frozen but yeah, the second movie is a bit forgettable. Show yourself was cute though)
This feels like lyrics you’d pump out last minute for a class assignment for a course you don’t really care about but thought it sounded like an easy way to fill the needed class requirement and are annoyed it required creativity you don’t have. Tbh, it sounds like lyrics I’d write and that’s not being complimentary😂😂
I know we talked about this but my thing is: let’s say the lyrics DO change for the musical theatre version (there are some rumours that this song in the movie is actually a duet). That doesn’t change the fact that they released this song as their marketing tool for the movie, after seeing the backlash from Wish and knowing people are concerned about the music sucking. Why would you release the objectively worse pop version, even if the musical theatre version is better??? Like I want this movie to be good so if there is a lyric change gods bless but like….. it doesn’t change that they still wrote this and released it thinking it was a good idea LOL. And past Disney pop covers haven’t changed the lyrics much if at all (I don’t think Beauty and The Beast changed a single word etc). So this is giving a bad impression! To an unsure audience! Like why?!?!
Something else I just realized: would a TV show even HAVE an end credit version of a song? I can’t remember Tangled ever having one. So I wonder if this was something very hastily written together when the story changed from being a TV show to a movie - because even though TV shows have intros/credits it’s not really this 10 minute situation like for a movie.
is it me or is this just a watered down version of how far i'll go? The messaging seems very similar and though the root of the conflict might be different the core seems to be the same. Something is calling her and she is torn between the familiar and adventure. It's just how far I'll go 2.0 and it makes this song seem even worse, because regardless of what you think about lin manuel maranda moana is objectively some of the best work he's done for disney. How far i'll go might not be a part of your world or an out there, but it's still a solid I want song. The first two lines tell us more about moana than the entirety of this number
@@vetarlittorf1807 Iger did this, because they had no animated to fill that coveted Thanksgiving space at theaters. Since Disney is creatively bankrupt, cannibalize a series already in production and rush out a quickie feature. It’s a sure formula for a quickie flop.
@@SonOfEarthLtdThe actual reason is worse. Moana 2 was made into a theatrical feature so that the budget would be counted as box office expenses and not D+ expenses. And the reason why is that investors had been complaining about D+ not being profitable enough. Bob Iger (who had just been reaffirmed as CEO earlier this year after he had been challenged in an investors meeting) promised that he would address the high cost of D+ budgeting. And well, one way he does it is Moana 2.
This is the answer. The problem isn't vague, non-specific songwriting, it's utilitarian songwriting. Reflection from Mulan isn't specific about the details of Mulan's story but it's an absolute Disney classic. The problem is that movies like Moana 2 and Wish are being produced in a very rushed, ultra-practical way and that doesn't give rise to thoughtful songwriting.
Honestly neither of the Moana 2 songs I've heard have been good. They're clearly trying to emulate the first movie, but the thing is, love or hate him, LMM's style CANNOT be copied well. (Some of his own stuff doesn't even work well.) When he hits it right it's magic: the music, the lyrics, the inside references (SO MANY musical references only musicians or fans of the subject being portrayed might get) all work together for layers of meaning. Others just can't write in his voice. It's very much like trying to copy Sondheim! His style isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's artistically great even so, and it really only works when it's HIM.
@@ItsJae_37 he may have said no. He's a thespian first and has been working on other projects. And Disney producers probably think they're being cool and appealing to the youts getting those hip chick writers from the ticketytocks or something. They want another TikTok driven hit like the Encanto sountrack. They don't realize that it's not normally workable to have new composers come into a project that has an already established voice that was created by someone else. (LMM's own additions to the Little Mermaid are a great example of why this doesn't work. He's LMM, not Howard Ashman.)
One thing I've also noticed about Miranda's work is that his lyrics sound better to me when people are _rapping_ rather than singing. The massive amount of internal rhymes and unnecessary cleverness work with the "flow" that rappers have to build up, but when people try to sing all those words they sound rushed and tired, and the whole thing stops feeling like a song. P.S. Obviously "You'll Be Back" from Hamilton is an exception to this, but he clearly composed that in a different style from his usual. That song sounds like The Beatles wrote it.
Actually disagree about “Can I go beyond” being a good hook for this song. For me it’s too reminiscent of How Far I’ll Go (“What’s beyond that line, will I cross that line”) while being really underwhelming in comparison and not expanding any of How Far I’ll Go’s ideas STILL better than This Wish though
It feels like they saw how successful "How far I'll go" was, and tried to do it all over again. Forgetting that they already resolved that song's conflict by the first movie's end.
There's nothing wrong with setting songs in a musical up to be pop hits. They just have to be well-written and strike an emotional chord. Just look at Reflection from Mulan, which was a major 1990s pop hit. That song rules.
At the time of this comment, about an hour ago Disney released a snippet of the actual version of Beyond itself, and it seems to combine the second chorus and third chorus of this end credits version together, which means the credits version is an alteration of the full song (possible a merge between the reprise and the full one?) Regardless though, The vagueness (and also some really awkward word choices like “reply”) is definitely the biggest problem for me, though atleast it’s better than the I Want song from wish which had some syllable counts from hell and other terrible choices. I hope that since this is an end credits song, that the actual song itself uses more descriptive lyrics that enhance it, but the chance that it does is like 50/50 because while songs like Let It Go had altered lyrics for the credits, songs like How Far I’ll Go did not.
Yea "beyond" sounds so bad. I really dont like the song at all. Its so vague and has no substance. Not to mention the awkward singing and lyrics. It just doesnt sound like moana music AT ALL. I literally love the moana 1 songs so much, so i already know i willk be dissapointed with moana 2. Why couldnt they just bring back lin manuel miranda????? WHYYY
I'm not kidding when I say that, I took one look at the first two lines, "I know these stars above the ocean Now new skies call me by name" and AS SOON AS I did that, the "This Wish" melody started playing in my head involuntarily along with these lyrics. You can't make that up.
I like this song- At this point moana has mastered wayfaring so the thought of her losing herself or dying in uncharted waters is pretty compelling and builds danger. I like the contrast with ‘how far I’ll go’ where moana was most confident, but naïve to danger. She was being held back by her father, but now it’s her own conscious telling her to stay because she really fears what’s out there. It’s a status quo shift. In Moana 1, her status quo was staying on the island, but she yearned to explore. Now, she wishes she could have stay with her sister but she has a selfless role that she must fulfil that pulls her away. She is becoming more like her father (the song ‘I’m back’ (to who I’m meant to be) shows this)
I'm not very deep into dizni movies, as a result never got to watch the first movie of this series but I Just wanna say this. I completely agree about the vagueness, as an outsider looking in at this I have absolutely no idea what this is. This song would work in any one of a hundred different stories. But while some people may say that's good for relatability, I'd actually say its harder for me to relate with this song. I don't relate with a song because all the words can perfectly fit my life, so a song sung by a mermade or some such non human won't automatically be unrelatable just because it mentions that and I'm obviously a human. My point is that to make a song relatable you don't just make it so that its vague enough that most people fit it into their lives in one way or the other and give it a message that depends entirely on their own situation, you make it have so much character that it conveys the message of its own. And that message is what people actually relate with. That's why the song part of your world got to me, I'm blind by birth and so have always had a longing to be part of a world of sight and color. Even though my situation is different from that from the movie, the message is relatable to me and the song has such a strong, definite note of clarity that I know exactly what its talking about. Hope this makes sense.
You're right, it's like in anime when the protagonist is a blank slate so the audience can "see themselves" in the character, but it just makes it so boring
it’s very hard for me to go back to the original moana nowadays because of how much i’ve soured on lmm’s writing style, but i’m still kind of nostalgic for back when there was excitement and potential for a new disney movie coming out, and i can at least admit that how far i’ll go is a good i want song. i have no interest in the sequel at this point and this isn’t helping, lol… but if they can promote tiktok songwriters to disney level maybe there’s hope for me too 👀
I’m so glad you posted a video about this because when I heard it I had the same thoughts as you did. Hopefully the music in the movie is better than this because I’m not very convinced with what we know about it so far.
I feel like the main problems with modern Disney songwriting are 1) rushing songwriters too hard and not giving them time and space to write lyrics that actually tell a story and 2) hiring songwriters who don't have experience with musical theater songwriting. There's a place for indie pop, but that kind of lyrical storytelling is different than what's needed for an animated movie musical.
I'm guessing that this having been a TV pilot, the songwriting had a much tighter schedule than it would have had on a movie. Under those circumstances, and expecting that there would be another song or two they needed to get through for every episode of the season, they did an admirable job. Good TV songwriting. Is it good enough for a movie? Of course not, but I suspect that's going to be a running motif for everything in this "sequel movie".
I noticed that even in all the ads I saw there was no songs, immediately I was nervous because Disney loves to show and tease things they think are good. Really not surprised that the rhymes sound like a kids colouring book, I’d love to see the list of dos and don’t they give to their writers
It's very baffling. Musical theater songwriting involves telling a story in a way that traditional songwriting doesn't. Tim Minchin would be amazing for a Disney movie.
Ik this the end credits song And I ain't ever listen to a single end credit song ever in my life But if this song is gonna be as vague as it is here Eternal Sadness I tells ya😭
I think the lyric "They're calling me" is a call back to some of the lyrics from the first movie. Moana sings about the ocean and her ancestors calling to her multiple times in that movie. I actually like that connection.
Thank you for saying so! The new music so far sounds sort of vague and similar to Wish in that they might be trying to market it as a pop song instead of using it to move the plot along.
Disney did you not learn from Wish to NOT do this EXACT SHIT? Don’t hire a pop song writer for a musical. Don’t have someone try to replicate Lin’s style. BE SPECIFIC WITH THE MUSICAL SONGS.
For my the first lyrics I sang and some of it sounded fine but some lyrics sounded off especially the longer ones took too long to get to that same point probably could’ve been shorter or that’s just me. And i feel like it should of mentioned her people at least once at the end since he already says she is worried about her people and it would show she has grown into being the Chef compared to the first movie were she didn’t want to be the chef and go to the ocean despite the Village disapproval
I think it would be interesting if you made a whole video on end credits Disney songs, and why some work and while others don't. Imo some are really great, like A Whole New World, but some to me feel like they just butcher the original, like Beauty and the Beast from the live action movie and How Far I'll Go.
I am sincerely worried, and its tragic that its even a common concern in new disney movies, but...... I worry they didn't even have the plot finalized when this song was first written. The fact its vague what the driving conflict is, the generality of simply being pulled to go on some unspecific adventure away from home, the way the emotional weight of it all seems almost flat and disconnected from a wider narrative-- it's giving me major Frozen 2 flashbacks and I am Worried...
Either the series was so good that they felt it should be a movie or they crunched the series into a movie by force for some box office dollars. I know people are pessimistic about Disney but tbh I feel like it’s a coin flip between the two
Usually it's more of a "the series won't hit, let's just repackage it as a movie" -Cinderella 2 -Atlantis 2 -I think there was a tarzan "sequel" that was just mini episodes It's just a huge red flag, even more when the original writers don't come back to the project. And from the teasers it doesn't look promising either, it looks okay i guess but nothing actually deserving of being a sequel
In wish and I think frozen 2, they wrote some of the songs before they had actually established the plot and the stakes of the film. I wonder if it’s the same here, and the song is so vague because the songwriter wasn’t actually given the details before they wrote it?
it's like the only reason disney was comfortable dropping this stinker (thank the gods if they're just saving the "REAL" lyrics for the movie) was due to the lack of specificity. compared to "how far ill go" this song is so disappointing. like why would you make the IT song, the quote-on-quote title track for the soundtrack be VAGUE??? it's like, the inciting incident song, it's the "time to go on an adventure" song. it's entire point is to be specific to the story, hyperspecific. moana 1 was excellent for that with it's soundtrack, each song didnt shy away from being directly relevant to the events of the plot, and so what if that means its not as easy to listen to on spotify or apple music? hamilton is beloved on streaming services, and probably zero of those songs could apply to a different context, or be removed from the context of the place it is sung during the play. also im not caught up on the lin manuel drama, why does everyone hate him again? i knew he was clowned on heavily, and besides the one thing he said about i think puerto rico or something, he seemed relatively unproblematic, if not a little annoying or hard to work with. someone fill me in please LOLLLL
i think aside from the cringe and the promesa issues, there’s been a cultural reevaluation of hamilton over the last few years. a lot of the young tumblr users it once appealed to have become more leftist as they’ve gotten older and through that lens it doesn’t seem nearly as progressive as it once was.
Basic or not, this song is still levels above the entire Wish soundtrack. And lets be honest, How Far I'll Go from the first movie wasn't all that lyrically creative either. It was like, how many times can we rhyme with the word "water"? I really like the feel of this song, and at least it didn't fall flat like all of the Wish songs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a better soundtrack this time around.
Whats funny is again, when I first listened to Beyond - I was immediately hit with how the vocals and arrangements of the instrumental aspects of the song sounded all Exactly like the other project that Barlow and Bear have worked on - their Unnoficial Brigerton Musical. While I think? I’ll prefer this soundtrack to Wish - because at least they do have a background in musical theatre - there’s a sort of magic that Lin Manuel Miranda captured in the first Moana film (due to it’s original sincerity) that I feel is lost a bit here, but I would fault Disney for that for wanting to churn out a big hit more than anything.
Oh my god, Abigail Barlow!? Wow I thought she’d never work again after the whole rights fiasco: And yeah the Bridgerton musical lyrics are not good, the orchestration is the best part for sure
Something that bothers me is that thing entire song is about a single concept- Moana struggling with the thought of leaving her home and her people for the sake of discovery. That’s all it’s saying. Into the Unknown was about the same thing but it did it a little better because it was also about Elsa struggling with her growing powers. I’d say this is disappointing but it’s Disney 😒
The biggest problem with "Beyond" to me is that its lyrics don't inspire any emotional response from me. The problem isn't that they aren't specific, so much as that they feel like they were just cranked out in a utilitarian way and aren't trying to do anything to connect with the listener, just to tick a box of "yep I wrote a song about Moana wanting to leave her tribe, what's next?"
Instead of singing '' For everything and everyone i ever known '' Moana could sing '' For my tribe and my family. '' It's less vague than the real lyrics and told us who she cared about 🙂
We all understand “relatable songs equal popular songs” is wrong, but also: literally lyrically relatable songs don’t equal metaphorically relatable songs. Laymen are capable of poetic interpretation. I make playlists for my book projects for fun; hardly any of the songs are to be taken strictly literally in regards to the books, everyone who listens to it understands that. Musical songs are so specific that sometimes it’s difficult - great comet has a lot that just don’t work outside of their contexts - but they still make up a good chunk of my lists. I am objectively very bad at interpreting poems, and I can still do this.
One thing which seems really odd to me about recent Disney songs is the almost deliberate avoidance of archaic or poetic language. Rather than use an unfamiliar word now and then to make a rhyme work, they use basic, easily understood words that _don't_ rhyme. I'm sorry, but "chosen" is actually an even worse rhyme for "ocean" than "motion" is; yes, the latter is a stale usage, but at least it sounds good. You could use it in an internal rhyme, for instance, whereas "chosen" is clunky regardless of its placement. "Home" and "unknown" is another example. I suppose this works as an internal slant rhyme (although it sounds awful to me), but before they use it that way it's already appeared as a normal end rhyme. If Disney thinks "known" is notably different from "unknown" as a rhyme, they're mistaken; that's like thinking you can rhyme a word with itself. And one last point. Since I haven't heard the melody, I can't be sure of this, but I feel that "new skies are calling my name" would sound a lot smoother than "new skies call me by name". For one thing, "call me by name" implies that the skies could call her in some way other than by name, which is a distracting thought that's not worth bringing up. Saying something "is calling me" is more natural than "calls me" as well. Either way, they should drop the "now" for the reasons Astor pointed out.
No kid ever complained that Be Prepared had complicated words in it. (Meticulous planning, tenacity spanning, decades of denial is simply why I'll be king undisputed, respected, saluted..) Multiple kids learned complicated words because of it.
Something about these lyrics look like they were generated by AI..... Edit: after looking at it more and watching the video, these lyrics are 100% AI generated. It reeks of it.
I don't think we're that far yet, but it's feels either so amateur level crap or it was *enforced* to be as vague as possible to continue aiming for that Let It Go high
@@JCOdrjones Definitely a very odd strategy for Beyond to do because Let It Go was specific in its language, yet managed to capture a broad appeal of relatable struggles. Plus, it even has a quotable line, and yet unique to Elsa's character like "The cold never bothered me anyway". I can't find any of these from Beyond so far. The more I think about it, the more Beyond's lyrics of what's shown now is indeed very elementary and hollow.
I’ve been saying this since the trailer dropped: Moana 2 reads like a straight to VHS/DVD Disney sequel. Too soon of an announcement, more callback moments to the original than Frozen 2, music that is LACKING form the original, & a villain that looks far weaker than anything we’ve ever seen. And you KNOW it’s all all for a huge cash grab Disney wants around the holidays because they haven’t cooked up anything new.
TO CLARIFY because it's bothering me: Soft syllable (n, w, f, r, etc) alliterations can work easily, I think "now new" bothers me because you have two consecutive u-based diphthongs (vowel glides) with "ow ew" and it sounds kind of ugly. Without a strong vowel to separate those diphthongs, it mushes into itself and becomes a tongue twister.
@@astorrhymemaster I've been wondering why I hate alliteration so much. Perhaps it's stuff like this. Have you looked into famous anglo Saxon alliteration to see if they avoid pitfalls like this?
I feel you
The lack of specificity is KILLING me in these new Disney songs dude. Why are we making them so vague?? Is it for general appeal? Have we somehow forgotten that one of the most popular recent Disney songs was “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” 😭😭
"It is best if we leave thy out of conversation for our wellbeing, being, being, being, ing" - modern Disney version
It might be a production issue. Lack of specificity can happen in early drafts of songs where the melody is whipped up whilst lyrical details and the song’s story placement are still being finalized to save time. So they end up being vague, usually this is fixed, but Disney might be cutting corners
May be because they didn’t want to spoil the movie so they released the most vague song
A few reasons:
-songs that don't reference any story elements or characters can be decoupled from the musical and just see normal play
-first drafts tend to be more vague and less specific, and Disney have gotten progressively lazier and don't do as many iterations anymore
-people at Disney are just generally less talented now
@@widdlepocketmarcyit should be "thee," actually
"We're doing better than THAT Wish song"
You're gonna have to specify
Every song
This Wish I assume, since it's specifically the protagonist's song.
@@HimekoIzayoiBy specifying *that,* I’m pretty sure she means I’m a Star 😭
the one that says “here i are!!” probably, or the villain pop song
All of them.
People hate Lin Manuel, but they are wrong. What you need to fear is those attempting to replace him.
Okay but why are people acting like Mufasa, which has Lin-Manuel Miranda songs in it, is a lost cause then?
@@kipolem53 Because even if LMM has nothing but masterpieces, it'd be a phenomenal score for a movie that has no reason to exist as a "typical" film or as a musical.
It's like having the best playlist on the radio for a Car with no wheels.
maybe it's just me but this song feels like how far I'll go but with a new coat of paint. like "what if i go into the unknown (hi frozen2 btw), what if i leave the safety of home, what will happen?" is literally moana's arc in the first movie. she's ALREADY gone though this dilemma, that's done, finished. the second movie is supposed to give her a new conflict. but from what i see it's just the first one all over again, it's so strange and so blatant
This kind of character regression is a common symptom for Disney direct-to-DVD sequels
(And even Wreck it Ralph 2 too)
not only that but she actually wanted to go into the unknown, she was pulled by it and now shes worried about leaving?? its like the opposite from what she did in the original movie
@@ryannathaniel9296 And The Incredibles 2. They gave their characters the same flaws as in the first movie, and they had to overcome them again, to find out they work better as a team than solo... Well duh, wasn't that the point of the movie released 14 years prior?
Just guessing here based on a sippet from the first full trailer but seems like the sngs in Mufasa are the same songs from The Lion King but with a different coat of paint, as you put it.
can we talk about how if you removed the 2 lines about her sister this would fit SEAMLESSLY into the first movie?? why does Moana's relationship to the sea and adventure feel exactly the same now? and she's supposed to have been sailing and adventuring far and wide for years at this point, it makes NO sense for her to still be thinking 'how could i say goodbye'
THIS! why is she still singing about exploring and feeling stifled in one place? I thought that was the whole plot of the first one.
Where are the two lines about her sister? It's so vague it could describe any of her family members
@@aeoligarlic4024"I'm not here to hold her hand / will she grow to understand". That wouldn't refer to anyone but her sister, which we can only accurately guess because we already know one exists
@@mlk0-0 ah i see, thanks!
Obviously it's very difficult to compare any other style to LMM's, but just look at this next to Moana's song from the first movie. Yes, it worked as a standalone pop song, but it's still pretty specific. There are references to her island, being the next chief, her dreams of sailing, etc. This is just a song about being conflicted about something with the vague metaphor of an ocean.
@@the_wechtinator the thing about the first movie is that it was a mix between three songwriters and you could really feel that they made something special.
Here I believe it's just the two ladies from the bridgerton musical so you lose a bit of that Broadway feel
I really didnt notice this until this video, but it seems like recent Disney songs are trying to be divorced from their movies, presumably to maximize profit and listenability. Which is so ironic because all of the most iconic and popular Disney songs are EXTREMELY tied to the characters singing them. Frollos song, the plague song from prince of egypt, etc. Even almost all of the sings from the first moana. I hope the ones in the movie are better!
I also noticed this. Thanks for typing it out! (Having said that, I must point out that Prince of Egypt is actually a Dream Works film)
@cardiganweather Aw man, I jad a feeling I was missing something with that one! It's so hard to associate the "Disney" animated style with any other studio so I shrugged it off haha
Even for modern Disney, specificity always makes the music do better. Encanto’s most popular songs (we don’t talk about Bruno, surface pressure, what else can I do, the family madrigal) were very story or character specific. It’s more frustrating to me that the music is so generic when there are examples from the 2020s FROM THEIR STUDIO that prove that story specific music WORKS.
Ah yes, Prince of Egypt… My favorite Disney film. 😂
POE is DreamWorks tho
"Queen of the monkey's paw" is merch material.
That just makes me think about the horror short story called “the monkey’s paw”
Sounds like a theme song for a woman who's been wronged all her life.
reminded me of the movie that pinely's 11 year old brother wrote
“I must reply” gives me the mental image of an office worker in a meeting picking up their ringing phone and saying “I’ve got to take this”… while the word itself is not such a great lyric, imagining Moana in a business suit working in an office is hilarious
that office siren trend but moana
It looks like with only slight changes, this could have been sung by Elsa in Frozen 2.
for sure... and thats a big problem
swap “sand” for “snow” and “ocean” for “ice” and call it a day
@@evil.connor you have a point😂
@@evil.connor Remember when Moana's Dad invaded the Island with her people and they kicked out the old inhabitants? Riveting stuff.
Yes i knew it sounded familiar!
These lyrics lack specificity. You nailed it. It doesn't really tell us a story.
Counterpoint: a lot of great Disney songs can be "vague" in nature. Other than the lyric about a "magic carpet ride," A Whole New World is just a song about being excited to fall in love with someone. Other than two or three lyrics referencing snow and ice, Let It Go is mostly focused on describing the experience of rebellion and freedom. Reflection from Mulan doesn't directly reference Mulan's struggle with gender roles in ancient China, rather it's a song about the experience in general of not being able to express your inner identity, which is something a lot of people can relate to.
When a song thoughtfully touches on a universal topic like love, independence, etc. it will have broader appeal because it touches a lot of people's emotions. The issue isn't lack of specificity as much as it's uncreative songwriting that doesn't connect with people. If you write a song that doesn't have a meaningful emotional punch to it, and just feels like it's trying to be a top 40 pop hit, then the song will be a disaster.
Moana two was originally supposed to be a like eight episode Disney plus series, put like near its completion Disney decided to turn it into a full length film.
None of the original actors were back LMM wasn't a part of the show, and they literally fired voice cast that they had to get the original actors for Moana and Maui to re-dub everything.
Oh, frick, so basically like those straight to vhs sequels from the early 2000's?
Yep, it's a shame however that there's likely deleted content we won't get to see, unless all the episodes were 11 minutes long.
It can't possibly be as bad as Megamind Vs. The Doom Syndicate, which had a fairly similar thing happen
@PonConAgain9718 I think the big problem is that even if it is mediocre it's being projected to have a similar financial boost to inside out 2.
That means that this is going to become the new norm for Disney again
I know that it was supposed to be a Disney plus show but did they scrapped the idea of doing it as tv show and make it to a film after they were done with animation and voice acting if so then it will most likely to not have any smooth connections between episodes to episodes we are so doomed
This seems to have the same issues as other modern Disney songs. They're trying to make it extremely vague to make it radio-worthy but that makes it MUCH less interesting..
The worst thing you can say about a piece of art is that it's boring, but that sadly seems to be Disney's new normal.
They keep trying to replicate the success of "Let it Go", it was MASSIVE, it was EVERYWHERE, it would play in the mall, I worked at a night club and it was the most requested song, i did karaoke nights and most nights it was just that song 15 times in a row, we had to regulate it!!! 😂😂😂!!! All the celebrities were covering it, it was in adverts. I was also an actor at the time and every audition i went to, numerous people had that as their audition song. It was all over the place.
And it was a musical song!!! How she is feeling, where she is, where she wants to be, how she is going to do it and by the end she is there!!!!!
The bridge talks about her ice powers, specific to the character & movie she is in but no one cared about that!!!! The people loved the song, loved Elsa specifically, and they loved the movie. But Disney keeps putting storytelling LAST!! they put the music second last!!!
It doesn’t fully make sense to me either? Like sure obviously we have songs like “Let It Go” and “A Whole New World” that are good songs in their movies but vague enough to play anywhere and became super popular but what about “We Don’t Talk About Bruno”? It’s about as specific as it can get but is still one of Disney’s most popular songs.
"Reflection" from Mulan was a big 1990s pop hit because of its broadly relatable lyrics. But it's an amazing and tearjerking song. The problem isn't broadly relatable themes...those are good to have if you want a song to reach a lot of people. The problem is that songwriting for modern Disney movies has gotten more utilitarian and less creative. It doesn't pack a meaningful emotional punch like it used to.
“I let you live here for free and I don’t even charge you rent”
"Watch out world here I are"
"Take that for your system! Solar!"
“We’re here for all your question marks!”
I feel like Moana 2 also has a huge problem with story. Like the cringy dialogue of “little sis!” “big sis!”, which is literally only there to tell the relationship they have rather than show it. The random background funny character who’s scared of everything. To me, even when Moana was my favorite movie for a long time, it never needed a second movie.
It’s so weird that current musicals keep trying to make their songs as non specific as possible so they’ll get more successful on Spotify and TikTok, but the songs that grab people the most and are the ones that are inseparable from their context. Let It Go is the most successful song they’ve ever made and you can’t divorce that song from Elsa and her story, try replaying the song in your head without the images of her letting down her hair and building her ice palace, it’s impossible.
It's funny because "We Don't Talk about Bruno" is the most successful song Disney has ever made. It was also super popular on social media despite being extremely specific to the story.
@@workrelatedprojectyeah like Disney how did you not learn from that but also didn’t learn from what you did in Wish? DISNEY YOU’RE MAKING WISH 2 AT THIS POINT
Reading these lyrics without the tune, I literally felt like I was reading, like... the Italian version of How Far I'll Go after it had been passed through google translate
Probably a cold take, but this song’s lyrics seems like a “Into the Unknown” 2.0
agreed....and frozen 2 songs werent that good because they felt like they were literally just for marketing and not deep at all. They had no sustance, they were just songs
@@ItsJae_37 wha, i loved that song :(
Yea it has that same vagueness to it. However I must say at least into the unknown actually establishes the internal conflict Elsa has better than this song ("[...] deep down I'm not where I'm meant to be?/Every day's a little harder, as I feel my power grow/Don't you know there's part of me that longs to go").
Very true! And Into the Unknown is so bland too, it's weird that they keep trying to make it like That when Let it Go was such a bigger success and that one is more related to Elsa's story than Into the Unknown's ambiguous nothing
@@ItsJae_37they had a deeper story and plot in their deleted scenes, but nah they went with the white guilt narrative LMAO (I love frozen but yeah, the second movie is a bit forgettable. Show yourself was cute though)
This feels like lyrics you’d pump out last minute for a class assignment for a course you don’t really care about but thought it sounded like an easy way to fill the needed class requirement and are annoyed it required creativity you don’t have.
Tbh, it sounds like lyrics I’d write and that’s not being complimentary😂😂
Lmao exactly, sounds like some poetry I wrote for my 7th grade english class. Yikes.
I know we talked about this but my thing is: let’s say the lyrics DO change for the musical theatre version (there are some rumours that this song in the movie is actually a duet). That doesn’t change the fact that they released this song as their marketing tool for the movie, after seeing the backlash from Wish and knowing people are concerned about the music sucking. Why would you release the objectively worse pop version, even if the musical theatre version is better??? Like I want this movie to be good so if there is a lyric change gods bless but like….. it doesn’t change that they still wrote this and released it thinking it was a good idea LOL. And past Disney pop covers haven’t changed the lyrics much if at all (I don’t think Beauty and The Beast changed a single word etc). So this is giving a bad impression! To an unsure audience! Like why?!?!
It's a psychological operation to lower our expectations to the ground floor so that we are pleasantly surprised by anything decent
@@astorrhymemasterI hate that this legitimately sounds feasible as a strategy 😭😭😭
Something else I just realized: would a TV show even HAVE an end credit version of a song? I can’t remember Tangled ever having one. So I wonder if this was something very hastily written together when the story changed from being a TV show to a movie - because even though TV shows have intros/credits it’s not really this 10 minute situation like for a movie.
Will smith version of the genie song was done dirty only to be used in the credits
@@cisjr7376 i remember leaving the cinema saying now why wasn't that version IN the movie.
is it me or is this just a watered down version of how far i'll go? The messaging seems very similar and though the root of the conflict might be different the core seems to be the same. Something is calling her and she is torn between the familiar and adventure. It's just how far I'll go 2.0 and it makes this song seem even worse, because regardless of what you think about lin manuel maranda moana is objectively some of the best work he's done for disney. How far i'll go might not be a part of your world or an out there, but it's still a solid I want song. The first two lines tell us more about moana than the entirety of this number
"Watered down."
I see what you did there.
I 100% agree with everything you said! The lyrics are very "Into the Unkown"-ish
At this point I'll be shocked if Disney makes a good movie again this decade.
We didn't need a Moana 2. But money talks. I suppose.
This is the kind of issues that happen when you hurry the production of an animated feature.
Especially when said feature is basically a pilot episode for a scrapped TV series reworked into a movie.
@@vetarlittorf1807 We're back at the direct to home video Disney movies that are obviously 3 pilot episodes at once baybe!
@@vetarlittorf1807 Iger did this, because they had no animated to fill that coveted Thanksgiving space at theaters. Since Disney is creatively bankrupt, cannibalize a series already in production and rush out a quickie feature. It’s a sure formula for a quickie flop.
@@SonOfEarthLtdThe actual reason is worse.
Moana 2 was made into a theatrical feature so that the budget would be counted as box office expenses and not D+ expenses.
And the reason why is that investors had been complaining about D+ not being profitable enough.
Bob Iger (who had just been reaffirmed as CEO earlier this year after he had been challenged in an investors meeting) promised that he would address the high cost of D+ budgeting.
And well, one way he does it is Moana 2.
This is the answer. The problem isn't vague, non-specific songwriting, it's utilitarian songwriting. Reflection from Mulan isn't specific about the details of Mulan's story but it's an absolute Disney classic. The problem is that movies like Moana 2 and Wish are being produced in a very rushed, ultra-practical way and that doesn't give rise to thoughtful songwriting.
Honestly neither of the Moana 2 songs I've heard have been good. They're clearly trying to emulate the first movie, but the thing is, love or hate him, LMM's style CANNOT be copied well. (Some of his own stuff doesn't even work well.) When he hits it right it's magic: the music, the lyrics, the inside references (SO MANY musical references only musicians or fans of the subject being portrayed might get) all work together for layers of meaning. Others just can't write in his voice. It's very much like trying to copy Sondheim! His style isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's artistically great even so, and it really only works when it's HIM.
yea they should have just asked him to come back. so im wondering why didnt they??
@@ItsJae_37 he may have said no. He's a thespian first and has been working on other projects. And Disney producers probably think they're being cool and appealing to the youts getting those hip chick writers from the ticketytocks or something. They want another TikTok driven hit like the Encanto sountrack. They don't realize that it's not normally workable to have new composers come into a project that has an already established voice that was created by someone else. (LMM's own additions to the Little Mermaid are a great example of why this doesn't work. He's LMM, not Howard Ashman.)
One thing I've also noticed about Miranda's work is that his lyrics sound better to me when people are _rapping_ rather than singing. The massive amount of internal rhymes and unnecessary cleverness work with the "flow" that rappers have to build up, but when people try to sing all those words they sound rushed and tired, and the whole thing stops feeling like a song.
P.S. Obviously "You'll Be Back" from Hamilton is an exception to this, but he clearly composed that in a different style from his usual. That song sounds like The Beatles wrote it.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 disagree. when people sing his music it does sound good. Literally every song in moana is an example
Also, I miss Howard Ashman.
"Howard Ashman: who gave a mermaid her voice and a beast his soul".
Actually disagree about “Can I go beyond” being a good hook for this song. For me it’s too reminiscent of How Far I’ll Go (“What’s beyond that line, will I cross that line”) while being really underwhelming in comparison and not expanding any of How Far I’ll Go’s ideas
STILL better than This Wish though
Nah cus low key, when I heard Moana’s heart song, I was like… “This isn’t giving how far ill go, it’s giving how far I’ve gone”
“I LOVE YOU ASTOR RHYMEMASTER” we all scream in unison
The lyrics is giving "we gotta make a sequel out of this resolved story somehow"
It feels like they saw how successful "How far I'll go" was, and tried to do it all over again. Forgetting that they already resolved that song's conflict by the first movie's end.
In conclusion: The popification of Disney continues.
There's nothing wrong with setting songs in a musical up to be pop hits. They just have to be well-written and strike an emotional chord. Just look at Reflection from Mulan, which was a major 1990s pop hit. That song rules.
I love your breakdown videos. Please never stop making these lol
This song is literally just Into The Unknown
It's vague because they literally write the music before the story is even finished being written.
At the time of this comment, about an hour ago Disney released a snippet of the actual version of Beyond itself, and it seems to combine the second chorus and third chorus of this end credits version together, which means the credits version is an alteration of the full song (possible a merge between the reprise and the full one?)
Regardless though, The vagueness (and also some really awkward word choices like “reply”) is definitely the biggest problem for me, though atleast it’s better than the I Want song from wish which had some syllable counts from hell and other terrible choices.
I hope that since this is an end credits song, that the actual song itself uses more descriptive lyrics that enhance it, but the chance that it does is like 50/50 because while songs like Let It Go had altered lyrics for the credits, songs like How Far I’ll Go did not.
Yea "beyond" sounds so bad. I really dont like the song at all. Its so vague and has no substance. Not to mention the awkward singing and lyrics. It just doesnt sound like moana music AT ALL. I literally love the moana 1 songs so much, so i already know i willk be dissapointed with moana 2. Why couldnt they just bring back lin manuel miranda????? WHYYY
@@ItsJae_37LMM is working on Mufasa
I'm not kidding when I say that, I took one look at the first two lines,
"I know these stars above the ocean
Now new skies call me by name"
and AS SOON AS I did that, the "This Wish" melody started playing in my head involuntarily along with these lyrics. You can't make that up.
I like this song- At this point moana has mastered wayfaring so the thought of her losing herself or dying in uncharted waters is pretty compelling and builds danger.
I like the contrast with ‘how far I’ll go’ where moana was most confident, but naïve to danger. She was being held back by her father, but now it’s her own conscious telling her to stay because she really fears what’s out there.
It’s a status quo shift. In Moana 1, her status quo was staying on the island, but she yearned to explore. Now, she wishes she could have stay with her sister but she has a selfless role that she must fulfil that pulls her away. She is becoming more like her father (the song ‘I’m back’ (to who I’m meant to be) shows this)
I'm not very deep into dizni movies, as a result never got to watch the first movie of this series but I Just wanna say this. I completely agree about the vagueness, as an outsider looking in at this I have absolutely no idea what this is. This song would work in any one of a hundred different stories. But while some people may say that's good for relatability, I'd actually say its harder for me to relate with this song. I don't relate with a song because all the words can perfectly fit my life, so a song sung by a mermade or some such non human won't automatically be unrelatable just because it mentions that and I'm obviously a human. My point is that to make a song relatable you don't just make it so that its vague enough that most people fit it into their lives in one way or the other and give it a message that depends entirely on their own situation, you make it have so much character that it conveys the message of its own. And that message is what people actually relate with. That's why the song part of your world got to me, I'm blind by birth and so have always had a longing to be part of a world of sight and color. Even though my situation is different from that from the movie, the message is relatable to me and the song has such a strong, definite note of clarity that I know exactly what its talking about. Hope this makes sense.
You're right, it's like in anime when the protagonist is a blank slate so the audience can "see themselves" in the character, but it just makes it so boring
You are right
it’s very hard for me to go back to the original moana nowadays because of how much i’ve soured on lmm’s writing style, but i’m still kind of nostalgic for back when there was excitement and potential for a new disney movie coming out, and i can at least admit that how far i’ll go is a good i want song. i have no interest in the sequel at this point and this isn’t helping, lol… but if they can promote tiktok songwriters to disney level maybe there’s hope for me too 👀
I feel like I've already heard this song... 🤔 Oh ! That's right ! "Into the unknown", from Frozen 2 ! 😶
I’m so glad you posted a video about this because when I heard it I had the same thoughts as you did. Hopefully the music in the movie is better than this because I’m not very convinced with what we know about it so far.
I feel like the main problems with modern Disney songwriting are 1) rushing songwriters too hard and not giving them time and space to write lyrics that actually tell a story and 2) hiring songwriters who don't have experience with musical theater songwriting. There's a place for indie pop, but that kind of lyrical storytelling is different than what's needed for an animated movie musical.
I'm guessing that this having been a TV pilot, the songwriting had a much tighter schedule than it would have had on a movie. Under those circumstances, and expecting that there would be another song or two they needed to get through for every episode of the season, they did an admirable job. Good TV songwriting.
Is it good enough for a movie? Of course not, but I suspect that's going to be a running motif for everything in this "sequel movie".
They should seriously work for you at this point 😂
moana 2 doesn't look promising, fork found in kitchen
I noticed that even in all the ads I saw there was no songs, immediately I was nervous because Disney loves to show and tease things they think are good. Really not surprised that the rhymes sound like a kids colouring book, I’d love to see the list of dos and don’t they give to their writers
The problem with this song is that it asks too many questions I feel
absolutely lost it on "Is this an email?"
Bridgerton the musical on TIKTOK???? 😭😭😭
Exactly my sentiments! It was a tight song to adapt into other languages without altering too much and forsaking the original elements.
I LOVE YOU ASTOR UR THE BEST
Love the unscripted nature of the video! it feels quite natural, and you make some great points
I appreciate your careful analysis.
Throw is a good example. Tossed, flung, cast and yeeted all have different connotations.
why do they keep hiring song writers who have never worked in musicals to write their musical songs???
It's very baffling. Musical theater songwriting involves telling a story in a way that traditional songwriting doesn't. Tim Minchin would be amazing for a Disney movie.
I loveee the way you speak
I hope this doesn't end like WISH 2023😢
Ik this the end credits song
And I ain't ever listen to a single end credit song ever in my life
But if this song is gonna be as vague as it is here
Eternal Sadness I tells ya😭
i have no hope for the rest of the songs that will be in this movie
I think the lyric "They're calling me" is a call back to some of the lyrics from the first movie. Moana sings about the ocean and her ancestors calling to her multiple times in that movie. I actually like that connection.
It could also just be because she refers to "skies" calling her earlier. It's plural in either case. But I can see how Astor would get mixed up here.
Thank you for saying so! The new music so far sounds sort of vague and similar to Wish in that they might be trying to market it as a pop song instead of using it to move the plot along.
I frequently disagree with many of your points, especially on LLM, but wow you did NOT miss this video. Love your videos!
Disney did you not learn from Wish to NOT do this EXACT SHIT?
Don’t hire a pop song writer for a musical.
Don’t have someone try to replicate Lin’s style.
BE SPECIFIC WITH THE MUSICAL SONGS.
For my the first lyrics I sang and some of it sounded fine but some lyrics sounded off especially the longer ones took too long to get to that same point probably could’ve been shorter or that’s just me. And i feel like it should of mentioned her people at least once at the end since he already says she is worried about her people and it would show she has grown into being the Chef compared to the first movie were she didn’t want to be the chef and go to the ocean despite the Village disapproval
I think it would be interesting if you made a whole video on end credits Disney songs, and why some work and while others don't. Imo some are really great, like A Whole New World, but some to me feel like they just butcher the original, like Beauty and the Beast from the live action movie and How Far I'll Go.
I am sincerely worried, and its tragic that its even a common concern in new disney movies, but...... I worry they didn't even have the plot finalized when this song was first written. The fact its vague what the driving conflict is, the generality of simply being pulled to go on some unspecific adventure away from home, the way the emotional weight of it all seems almost flat and disconnected from a wider narrative-- it's giving me major Frozen 2 flashbacks and I am Worried...
Honestly, I am not looking forward to Moana 2
Either the series was so good that they felt it should be a movie or they crunched the series into a movie by force for some box office dollars. I know people are pessimistic about Disney but tbh I feel like it’s a coin flip between the two
Usually it's more of a "the series won't hit, let's just repackage it as a movie"
-Cinderella 2
-Atlantis 2
-I think there was a tarzan "sequel" that was just mini episodes
It's just a huge red flag, even more when the original writers don't come back to the project. And from the teasers it doesn't look promising either, it looks okay i guess but nothing actually deserving of being a sequel
started this video thinking ok this is going to be so nitpicky, but a third of the way in i was like wow this is great critique lol
Am I the only one wondering why she keeps mentioning the sky when her whole gig was the ocean???????
This is how i find out moana 2 is a thing?
In wish and I think frozen 2, they wrote some of the songs before they had actually established the plot and the stakes of the film. I wonder if it’s the same here, and the song is so vague because the songwriter wasn’t actually given the details before they wrote it?
I didn’t even know this part of internet existed 😮 (I’m intrigued)
it's like the only reason disney was comfortable dropping this stinker (thank the gods if they're just saving the "REAL" lyrics for the movie) was due to the lack of specificity.
compared to "how far ill go" this song is so disappointing. like why would you make the IT song, the quote-on-quote title track for the soundtrack be VAGUE??? it's like, the inciting incident song, it's the "time to go on an adventure" song. it's entire point is to be specific to the story, hyperspecific. moana 1 was excellent for that with it's soundtrack, each song didnt shy away from being directly relevant to the events of the plot, and so what if that means its not as easy to listen to on spotify or apple music? hamilton is beloved on streaming services, and probably zero of those songs could apply to a different context, or be removed from the context of the place it is sung during the play.
also im not caught up on the lin manuel drama, why does everyone hate him again? i knew he was clowned on heavily, and besides the one thing he said about i think puerto rico or something, he seemed relatively unproblematic, if not a little annoying or hard to work with. someone fill me in please LOLLLL
i think he's literally just cringe
i think aside from the cringe and the promesa issues, there’s been a cultural reevaluation of hamilton over the last few years. a lot of the young tumblr users it once appealed to have become more leftist as they’ve gotten older and through that lens it doesn’t seem nearly as progressive as it once was.
So basically it’s Into the Unknown again.
Basic or not, this song is still levels above the entire Wish soundtrack.
And lets be honest, How Far I'll Go from the first movie wasn't all that lyrically creative either. It was like, how many times can we rhyme with the word "water"?
I really like the feel of this song, and at least it didn't fall flat like all of the Wish songs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a better soundtrack this time around.
Honestly "this wish" is a better song but maybe the non-credits version of this song will be an improvement.
I had bad feelings for the songs the moment I knew they hired TikTok musical writers
“This sounds lacks specificity”
Well doesn’t that sound familiar? Looking at you “This Wish”
6:19 oh, i get it, cause it gives you anxiety.
Of course they're making another one
Whats funny is again, when I first listened to Beyond - I was immediately hit with how the vocals and arrangements of the instrumental aspects of the song sounded all Exactly like the other project that Barlow and Bear have worked on - their Unnoficial Brigerton Musical. While I think? I’ll prefer this soundtrack to Wish - because at least they do have a background in musical theatre - there’s a sort of magic that Lin Manuel Miranda captured in the first Moana film (due to it’s original sincerity) that I feel is lost a bit here, but I would fault Disney for that for wanting to churn out a big hit more than anything.
When I'm in a nothing burger competition and my opponent is modern Disney lyricists 😨
Oh my god, Abigail Barlow!? Wow I thought she’d never work again after the whole rights fiasco:
And yeah the Bridgerton musical lyrics are not good, the orchestration is the best part for sure
Something that bothers me is that thing entire song is about a single concept- Moana struggling with the thought of leaving her home and her people for the sake of discovery. That’s all it’s saying. Into the Unknown was about the same thing but it did it a little better because it was also about Elsa struggling with her growing powers. I’d say this is disappointing but it’s Disney 😒
I’m so excited
The biggest problem with "Beyond" to me is that its lyrics don't inspire any emotional response from me. The problem isn't that they aren't specific, so much as that they feel like they were just cranked out in a utilitarian way and aren't trying to do anything to connect with the listener, just to tick a box of "yep I wrote a song about Moana wanting to leave her tribe, what's next?"
Instead of singing '' For everything and everyone i ever known '' Moana could sing '' For my tribe and my family. '' It's less vague than the real lyrics and told us who she cared about 🙂
We all understand “relatable songs equal popular songs” is wrong, but also: literally lyrically relatable songs don’t equal metaphorically relatable songs. Laymen are capable of poetic interpretation.
I make playlists for my book projects for fun; hardly any of the songs are to be taken strictly literally in regards to the books, everyone who listens to it understands that. Musical songs are so specific that sometimes it’s difficult - great comet has a lot that just don’t work outside of their contexts - but they still make up a good chunk of my lists. I am objectively very bad at interpreting poems, and I can still do this.
Save us from musical vagueness syndrome PLEASEE
One thing which seems really odd to me about recent Disney songs is the almost deliberate avoidance of archaic or poetic language. Rather than use an unfamiliar word now and then to make a rhyme work, they use basic, easily understood words that _don't_ rhyme. I'm sorry, but "chosen" is actually an even worse rhyme for "ocean" than "motion" is; yes, the latter is a stale usage, but at least it sounds good. You could use it in an internal rhyme, for instance, whereas "chosen" is clunky regardless of its placement.
"Home" and "unknown" is another example. I suppose this works as an internal slant rhyme (although it sounds awful to me), but before they use it that way it's already appeared as a normal end rhyme. If Disney thinks "known" is notably different from "unknown" as a rhyme, they're mistaken; that's like thinking you can rhyme a word with itself.
And one last point. Since I haven't heard the melody, I can't be sure of this, but I feel that "new skies are calling my name" would sound a lot smoother than "new skies call me by name". For one thing, "call me by name" implies that the skies could call her in some way other than by name, which is a distracting thought that's not worth bringing up. Saying something "is calling me" is more natural than "calls me" as well. Either way, they should drop the "now" for the reasons Astor pointed out.
No kid ever complained that Be Prepared had complicated words in it. (Meticulous planning, tenacity spanning, decades of denial is simply why I'll be king undisputed, respected, saluted..) Multiple kids learned complicated words because of it.
I wonder if the "calls me by my name" line is a clunky throwback to "See the line where the sky meets the sea, it calls me" from How Far I'll Go
Crap…this is going to be Frozen 2 all over again ☠️
let's just hope it's like "1000 years" from twilight and it'll be longer and have more emotion to it.
I dont even wanna see what will happen with zootopia
Trump might force Iger out before then
Something about these lyrics look like they were generated by AI.....
Edit: after looking at it more and watching the video, these lyrics are 100% AI generated. It reeks of it.
I don't think we're that far yet, but it's feels either so amateur level crap or it was *enforced* to be as vague as possible to continue aiming for that Let It Go high
@@JCOdrjones Definitely a very odd strategy for Beyond to do because Let It Go was specific in its language, yet managed to capture a broad appeal of relatable struggles. Plus, it even has a quotable line, and yet unique to Elsa's character like "The cold never bothered me anyway".
I can't find any of these from Beyond so far. The more I think about it, the more Beyond's lyrics of what's shown now is indeed very elementary and hollow.
I honestly wouldn't doubt it at this point
@@BuizelCream yep!
I'll just pay to see wicked and wait for this on Disney plus
I would love to see you critique anything from Epic the Musical, i have some of the same complaints with how lyrics and word choices are handled there
Calling it now: Moana 2s soundtrack is almost certainly written by AI.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on "Go the Distance," I think a lot of these same criticisms could possibly apply
At least the rhymes in "Go The Distance" are good.
I’ve been saying this since the trailer dropped: Moana 2 reads like a straight to VHS/DVD Disney sequel. Too soon of an announcement, more callback moments to the original than Frozen 2, music that is LACKING form the original, & a villain that looks far weaker than anything we’ve ever seen. And you KNOW it’s all all for a huge cash grab Disney wants around the holidays because they haven’t cooked up anything new.
Unrelated, but are you going to talk about Arcane again? I'd love to see that. Second season is slowly coming out I think.
I plead the fifth