Looking at the title, I know that "controversial" probably means that their taxonomic classification is debated, but I like to think that the sheep themselves are involved in some kind of scandal.
Man, during my childhood and preteen years, your channel is the thing i wish existed the most. Now that i am beginning my biology course at 18 years of age, i am loving every single vídeo. I have been following you for more than a year now and you are one of.my favorite channels. Also, i didn't know how to speak or understand english when i was younger, so i don't think that you started late at all. Much much love from Brazil bro, keep up the amazing work.
The video is great as usual. Doesn't "Nilgiri Tahr" come under this category? If not, can you please make a video which includes Nilgiri Tahr and related species?
Tahrs constitute the tribe Hemitragini, where there are three extant species under three monotypic genera: the Arabian Tahr (Arabitragus jayakari), the Nilgiri Tahr (Nilgiritragus hylocrius), and the Himalayan Tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus), they are the most basal tribe of the subfamily Ovibovinae, which does more closely relate them to the tribes Naemorhedini (Gorals, Mountain Goat, Serows, and Chamoises) and Ovibovini (Muskox and Takin) than to goats (tribe Caprini) and sheep (tribe Ovini) that both constitute the subfamily Caprinae, both subfamilies Ovibovinae and Caprinae are part of the family Bovidae, but they are very different and not closely related, the Ovibovinae subfamily forms a clade with the subfamilies Hippotraginae (Grazing Antelope) and Alcelaphinae (Hartebeests, Wildebeests, Damalisks, and Hirola) while the Caprinae subfamily forms a clade with the subfamilies Antilopinae (True Antelope and Gazelles), Cephalophinae (Duikers), and Neotraginae (Dwarf Antelope), the Ovibovinae + (Hippotraginae + Alcelaphinae) clade is treated as the most basal of all the three major bovid clades, whereas the Caprinae + (Antilopinae + (Cephalophinae + Neotraginae)) clade is more closely related to the clade containing the subfamilies Peleinae (Rhebok and Fossil Relatives), Reduncinae (Reedbucks, Lechwes, Kob, Puku, and Waterbuck), and Bovinae (Cattle, Spiral-Horned Antelope, Nilgai, and Chousingha).
I've started to plan out the deer video... that's probably going to be the longest video on the channel! I hope to get it done before the end of the year but I have an antelope video coming the end of May 😊
100% will get to pinnipeds at some point! I'm just trying to work out a video format that will work for groups of animals with larger numbers of species 😊
For the controversial species couldn't they just do genetic analysis to see whether it's more closely related to sheep or goat so that their taxonomical position is clear?
The Caprinae subfamily is split into two tribes: Ovini (Sheep) and Caprini (Goats), just like the Antilopinae subfamily is split into two tribes: Gazellini (Gazelles) and Antilopini (True Antelope).
They can, however even genetic studies rarely produce a 100% clear answer. Mistakes can be made when extracting DNA, choosing samples/the number of samples, and running the data through programs. And even when the experiment clearly done right, people can still argue that you misinterpreted the results. That's why a lot of taxonomy is still heavily debated these days, even for animals that have had a lot of genetic studies done on them.
Absolutely! I am just trying to figure out a better video format for birds. Most of the families have too many species for this format but... Flamingos will be the next video! 🦩🦩🦩
Goats and sheep are of the subfamily Caprinae, but they are different tribes within it, sheep are of the tribe Ovini whereas goats are of the tribe Caprini.
Sheep 🐑 and Goats 🐐are in the same subfamily Caprinae (Goat-like) and the same tribe Caprini (True Goats and kin). True Goats are in the genus Capra that's Latin for Goat, all other Goats in the subfamily are "Goats", example Rocky mountain "goat" of the genus Oreamnos (Mountain-lamb in Greek), not a true Goat. True Sheep are in the genus Ovis that's Latin for Sheep, all other Sheep in the subfamily are "Sheep", example Barbary "sheep" of the genus Ammotragus (Sand-goat in Greek), not a true Sheep.
European mouflon, Soay sheep, and Litla Dimun sheep have existed for 7,000 years, so they should definitely be included. New Zealand bighorn sheep, such as Arapawa sheep, have inhabited New Zealand for 500-600 years. I wish that you included these four types of wild sheep.
I wonder what kind of ecological event enabled sheep to leave the mountains and spread out so far, considering they have essentially managed to colonise every mountain range, but seem to be trapped on these sky islands today.
Actually there are twelve extant sheep species, sheep are bovids that constitute the tribe Ovini, one of the two tribes that constitute the subfamily Caprinae, the other being the goats (tribe Caprini), the twelve sheep species under three genera are the Eastern Aoudad (Ammotragus ornatus), the Western Aoudad (Ammotragus lervia), the Himalayan Bharal (Pseudois nayaur), the Chinese Bharal (Pseudois szechuanensis), the Dwarf Bharal (Pseudois schaeferi), the Helan Shan Bharal (Pseudois helanshanensis), the Mouflon (Ovis gmelini (cladistically including the Domestic Sheep (Ovis gmelini aries))), the Urial (Ovis vignei), the Argali (Ovis ammon), the Ozu (Ovis nivicola), the Manitou (Ovis dalli), and the Tuku (Ovis canadensis), among the sheep species in the Ovis genus, the ozu that is native to Siberia is the closest living relative of the manitou and tuku that both live in North America, with the argali that is present in Central Asia being the second closest, and the urial that is native most of Western Asia being the third closest, leaving the mouflon that is the only wild sheep species native to Europe while also being present mostly in Western Asia and is what the domestic sheep is cladistically a subspecies of being the most basal, similarly, goats (tribe Caprini) are made of nine extant species under three genera: the Western Tur (Brachyceros caucasicus), the Eastern Tur (Brachyceros cylindricornis), the Markhor (Aegoceros falconeri), the West Asian Ibex (Capra aegagrus (cladistically including the Domestic Goat (Capra aegagrus hircus))), the Central Asian Ibex (Capra sibirica), the Alpine Ibex (Capra ibex), the Occidental Ibex (Capra pyrenaica), the Afroarabian Ibex (Capra nubiana), and the Walia Ibex (Capra walie), surprising as it is, goats and sheep are more closely related to true antelope, gazelles, duikers, and dwarf antelope that constitute the subfamilies Antilopinae, Cephalophinae, and Neotraginae respectively, caprines, antilopines, duikers, and dwarf antelope all form a clade that is the sister group to the one that contains the rhebok, reduncines, and bovines, leaving the one that consists of the subfamilies Ovibovinae (Muskox, Takin, Gorals, Mountain Goat, Serows, Chamoises, and Tahrs), Hippotraginae (Grazing Antelope), and Alcelaphinae (Hartebeests, Wildebeests, Damalisks, and Hirola) as the most basal and distantly related from all the other groups, which means that goats, sheep, true antelope, gazelles, duikers, dwarf antelope, reedbucks, lechwes, kobs, pukus, waterbucks, and rheboks are all more closely related to bovines than any of them are to the muskox, takin, gorals, mountain goat, serows, chamoises, tahrs, grazing antelope, hartebeests, wildebeests, damalisks, or hirola.
Fun fact: antelope are not a formal group, while most bovids are referred to as antelope, only members of the tribe Antilopini are true antelope, whereas the bovid taxa Hippotraginae, Peleinae, Reduncinae, Tetracerus, Tragelaphini, Gazellini, Cephalophinae, and Neotraginae are not true antelope as they are not of the Antilopini tribe, the only five extant species of true antelope are the Tibetan Antelope (Pantholops hodgsonii), Saiga Antelope (Saiga tatarica), the Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra), the Springbok (Antidorcas marsupialis), and the Impala (Aepyceros melampus), those five species are true antelope as they are of the tribe Antilopini, which is further split into the subtribes Saigina for both the saiga and tibetan antelope, Antilopina for both the blackbuck and springbok, and Aepycerotina for the impala, in fact, aoudads and bharals are sheep as they are of the tribe Ovini.
@@indyreno2933 There is only one living true Antelope, the Indian antelope (Blackbuck) of the genus Antilope, lateral translation antelope, scientific name Antilope cervicapra (Deer-goat antelope)
@BullzInfinity-eg1uc Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus) aren't a true Antelope, historically they was place in the genus Antilope (Antelope), then they would have been classified as true Antelope. However now Nilgai are of the genus Boselaphus (Ox-deer). Nilgai are also in the subfamily Bovinae (Ox-like) making them Bovines, so Nilgai are Antelope as much as Cattle, Buffalo, Bison 'etc are Antelopes, which is they aren't Antelopes. The only living true Antelope is the Indian antelope (Antilope cervicapra) being of the genus Antilope, that's in the subfamily Antilopinae (Antelope-like) making them Antilopine, other members of the subfamily Antilopinae can loosely be referred to as Antelope being Antilopines, but they technically aren't true Antelope neither.
The Sheep/Goat/Oryx line is hard to draw here sometimes...all beautiful naturally original animals though... When you really look at what Mans selective breeding for ab/use has done to magnificent creatures.. Well my heart breaks anyway...😊
Wow see many of these i would have literally assumed were goats if i saw these. I had no idea sheep could have massive horns. Even the big horn sheep an animal.moat americans know off i just thought tjat was its name and genetically would have been goats. I need to look up the difference between sheep and goats. And also look into what what we in rhe pacific northwest call mountain goats. These giant monsters that are ass holes who get mad if you dont have salt.
Looking at the title, I know that "controversial" probably means that their taxonomic classification is debated, but I like to think that the sheep themselves are involved in some kind of scandal.
Are you saying they're.... baaad?
(runs for her life)
what kind of controversy do you think a sheep would got caught up? Sheep Racism? Shilling for AI art and NFTs?
@@hippieskye8794 Well, sheep do know about fleecing
You win ma'am 😂😂😂@@Beryllahawk
Great sense of humor! Loved this.
Holy shit I prayed for a video like this. Now we need wild goats!
Goats is coming soon! And the rest of Caprinae!
@@Textbooktravel uhh I'm hyped!
@@Textbooktravelwhat about antelope there plenty of species in both Africa and Asia
Except, the Caprinae subfamily is now restricted only to the goats and sheep.
Happy for u bro
Man, during my childhood and preteen years, your channel is the thing i wish existed the most. Now that i am beginning my biology course at 18 years of age, i am loving every single vídeo. I have been following you for more than a year now and you are one of.my favorite channels. Also, i didn't know how to speak or understand english when i was younger, so i don't think that you started late at all. Much much love from Brazil bro, keep up the amazing work.
You have such a wonderfully informative channel.
Yay! A new video :)
This was such a well-made video! Your hard work really shows. 👏
I love your videos it's very educational.
The video is great as usual.
Doesn't "Nilgiri Tahr" come under this category?
If not, can you please make a video which includes Nilgiri Tahr and related species?
Tahrs constitute the tribe Hemitragini, where there are three extant species under three monotypic genera: the Arabian Tahr (Arabitragus jayakari), the Nilgiri Tahr (Nilgiritragus hylocrius), and the Himalayan Tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus), they are the most basal tribe of the subfamily Ovibovinae, which does more closely relate them to the tribes Naemorhedini (Gorals, Mountain Goat, Serows, and Chamoises) and Ovibovini (Muskox and Takin) than to goats (tribe Caprini) and sheep (tribe Ovini) that both constitute the subfamily Caprinae, both subfamilies Ovibovinae and Caprinae are part of the family Bovidae, but they are very different and not closely related, the Ovibovinae subfamily forms a clade with the subfamilies Hippotraginae (Grazing Antelope) and Alcelaphinae (Hartebeests, Wildebeests, Damalisks, and Hirola) while the Caprinae subfamily forms a clade with the subfamilies Antilopinae (True Antelope and Gazelles), Cephalophinae (Duikers), and Neotraginae (Dwarf Antelope), the Ovibovinae + (Hippotraginae + Alcelaphinae) clade is treated as the most basal of all the three major bovid clades, whereas the Caprinae + (Antilopinae + (Cephalophinae + Neotraginae)) clade is more closely related to the clade containing the subfamilies Peleinae (Rhebok and Fossil Relatives), Reduncinae (Reedbucks, Lechwes, Kob, Puku, and Waterbuck), and Bovinae (Cattle, Spiral-Horned Antelope, Nilgai, and Chousingha).
Thank u for ur info bro
@@indyreno2933 Thank you!
Really nice video, always a pleasure to learn about animals. Can’t wait for the goat episode
I live in the Colorado mountains, and we have some MONSTERS around here we see once in a while
Antelope or deer next?
I've started to plan out the deer video... that's probably going to be the longest video on the channel! I hope to get it done before the end of the year but I have an antelope video coming the end of May 😊
Can’t get enough of these guys
i love this videos great job as always :)
They're beautiful. Thanks so much for this informative post.
I wish for a wildlife enthusiasts guide to california, because i will travel there with my family in summer.
Interesting... Wild sheep is so different than the domesticated one we always seen. The horn was beautiful
Still hoping for a pinniped video
100% will get to pinnipeds at some point! I'm just trying to work out a video format that will work for groups of animals with larger numbers of species 😊
Hey man,love your videos,very educational.Plz do me a favor a do a whole video about deer,antelope etc
❤🤍💙 all your videos mate👍
Thank you for watching and commenting 😊
@@Textbooktravel Your welcome mate👍
For the controversial species couldn't they just do genetic analysis to see whether it's more closely related to sheep or goat so that their taxonomical position is clear?
The Caprinae subfamily is split into two tribes: Ovini (Sheep) and Caprini (Goats), just like the Antilopinae subfamily is split into two tribes: Gazellini (Gazelles) and Antilopini (True Antelope).
They can, however even genetic studies rarely produce a 100% clear answer. Mistakes can be made when extracting DNA, choosing samples/the number of samples, and running the data through programs. And even when the experiment clearly done right, people can still argue that you misinterpreted the results. That's why a lot of taxonomy is still heavily debated these days, even for animals that have had a lot of genetic studies done on them.
As always, wonderful.
Bighorn Sheep 1:42
Very good video.🎉😊
Can you make video all spices of wild goats 8:20
Love the videos!
Idk why, but there is not mentioned that the Baja Peninsula has its own subspecies (ovis canadensis cremnobates).
Great video!
Could you make a video on crovids please?
Absolutely! I am just trying to figure out a better video format for birds. Most of the families have too many species for this format but... Flamingos will be the next video! 🦩🦩🦩
Ok, great
Awwww.... 5:16 - example of domestic sheep.
Loved the video
aren't goats and sheep the same? or is there just a sheep that people call a goat
Nope goats and sheep are different ^^ though some may be mistakenly called the other
They are different. They fill different roles in nature as well.
Goats and sheep are of the subfamily Caprinae, but they are different tribes within it, sheep are of the tribe Ovini whereas goats are of the tribe Caprini.
Sheep 🐑 and Goats 🐐are in the same subfamily Caprinae (Goat-like) and the same tribe Caprini (True Goats and kin). True Goats are in the genus Capra that's Latin for Goat, all other Goats in the subfamily are "Goats", example Rocky mountain "goat" of the genus Oreamnos (Mountain-lamb in Greek), not a true Goat. True Sheep are in the genus Ovis that's Latin for Sheep, all other Sheep in the subfamily are "Sheep", example Barbary "sheep" of the genus Ammotragus (Sand-goat in Greek), not a true Sheep.
snow sheep is very wild i love them
Babe wake up. He made another video :)
Holy sheep! I’ve been missing out on these amazing facts…
I saw Big Horn Sheep at Badlands Natl Park in South Dakota. Are these introduced?
Nope badlands and the black hills are just the far eastern edge of their range
Woke up to Textbook Travel? Izzzzz gunna be a good day!!!
Nice video. Your pig species video isnt in the playlist by the way.
Impatiently waiting for the goat video 😬
Really want to see all the wild goats. Didn’t know there was a difference
very well done
Hey utah, that's where I'm from. I've seen a couple of those sheep
European mouflon, Soay sheep, and Litla Dimun sheep have existed for 7,000 years, so they should definitely be included. New Zealand bighorn sheep, such as Arapawa sheep, have inhabited New Zealand for 500-600 years. I wish that you included these four types of wild sheep.
YEAH A NEW VIDEO
Very nice 👍
Wild aoudad are thriving in the dry mountains of west Texas, happily.
I am here for the controversial sheep discourse
I wonder what kind of ecological event enabled sheep to leave the mountains and spread out so far, considering they have essentially managed to colonise every mountain range, but seem to be trapped on these sky islands today.
Big horn.sheep and Marco polo.sheeps are very beautiful
“Both have dark brown fur,”
Shows a very light brown animal.
Nice❤❤
Mouflon lives in europe too
Ibex are th closest we have to Spiderman.
Yesss ❤😂
Moroccan Aoudad mentioned 😍
Actually there are twelve extant sheep species, sheep are bovids that constitute the tribe Ovini, one of the two tribes that constitute the subfamily Caprinae, the other being the goats (tribe Caprini), the twelve sheep species under three genera are the Eastern Aoudad (Ammotragus ornatus), the Western Aoudad (Ammotragus lervia), the Himalayan Bharal (Pseudois nayaur), the Chinese Bharal (Pseudois szechuanensis), the Dwarf Bharal (Pseudois schaeferi), the Helan Shan Bharal (Pseudois helanshanensis), the Mouflon (Ovis gmelini (cladistically including the Domestic Sheep
(Ovis gmelini aries))), the Urial (Ovis vignei), the Argali (Ovis ammon), the Ozu (Ovis nivicola), the Manitou (Ovis dalli), and the Tuku (Ovis canadensis), among the sheep species in the Ovis genus, the ozu that is native to Siberia is the closest living relative of the manitou and tuku that both live in North America, with the argali that is present in Central Asia being the second closest, and the urial that is native most of Western Asia being the third closest, leaving the mouflon that is the only wild sheep species native to Europe while also being present mostly in Western Asia and is what the domestic sheep is cladistically a subspecies of being the most basal, similarly, goats (tribe Caprini) are made of nine extant species under three genera: the Western Tur (Brachyceros caucasicus), the Eastern Tur (Brachyceros cylindricornis), the Markhor (Aegoceros falconeri), the West Asian Ibex (Capra aegagrus (cladistically including the Domestic Goat (Capra aegagrus hircus))), the Central Asian Ibex (Capra sibirica), the Alpine Ibex (Capra ibex), the Occidental Ibex (Capra pyrenaica), the Afroarabian Ibex (Capra nubiana), and the Walia Ibex (Capra walie), surprising as it is, goats and sheep are more closely related to true antelope, gazelles, duikers, and dwarf antelope that constitute the subfamilies Antilopinae, Cephalophinae, and Neotraginae respectively, caprines, antilopines, duikers, and dwarf antelope all form a clade that is the sister group to the one that contains the rhebok, reduncines, and bovines, leaving the one that consists of the subfamilies Ovibovinae (Muskox, Takin, Gorals, Mountain Goat, Serows, Chamoises, and Tahrs), Hippotraginae (Grazing Antelope), and Alcelaphinae (Hartebeests, Wildebeests, Damalisks, and Hirola) as the most basal and distantly related from all the other groups, which means that goats, sheep, true antelope, gazelles, duikers, dwarf antelope, reedbucks, lechwes, kobs, pukus, waterbucks, and rheboks are all more closely related to bovines than any of them are to the muskox, takin, gorals, mountain goat, serows, chamoises, tahrs, grazing antelope, hartebeests, wildebeests, damalisks, or hirola.
This comment once again shows how confusing common names can be
Fun fact: antelope are not a formal group, while most bovids are referred to as antelope, only members of the tribe Antilopini are true antelope, whereas the bovid taxa Hippotraginae, Peleinae, Reduncinae, Tetracerus, Tragelaphini, Gazellini, Cephalophinae, and Neotraginae are not true antelope as they are not of the Antilopini tribe, the only five extant species of true antelope are the Tibetan Antelope (Pantholops hodgsonii), Saiga Antelope (Saiga tatarica), the Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra), the Springbok (Antidorcas marsupialis), and the Impala (Aepyceros melampus), those five species are true antelope as they are of the tribe Antilopini, which is further split into the subtribes Saigina for both the saiga and tibetan antelope, Antilopina for both the blackbuck and springbok, and Aepycerotina for the impala, in fact, aoudads and bharals are sheep as they are of the tribe Ovini.
@@indyreno2933 There is only one living true Antelope, the Indian antelope (Blackbuck) of the genus Antilope, lateral translation antelope, scientific name Antilope cervicapra (Deer-goat antelope)
@BullzInfinity-eg1uc Nilgai (Boselaphus tragocamelus) aren't a true Antelope, historically they was place in the genus Antilope (Antelope), then they would have been classified as true Antelope. However now Nilgai are of the genus Boselaphus (Ox-deer). Nilgai are also in the subfamily Bovinae (Ox-like) making them Bovines, so Nilgai are Antelope as much as Cattle, Buffalo, Bison 'etc are Antelopes, which is they aren't Antelopes. The only living true Antelope is the Indian antelope (Antilope cervicapra) being of the genus Antilope, that's in the subfamily Antilopinae (Antelope-like) making them Antilopine, other members of the subfamily Antilopinae can loosely be referred to as Antelope being Antilopines, but they technically aren't true Antelope neither.
1:42 i think that's only so in the USA as a European first time hearing about this
Grogar's cousins! :D
I would say the European mouflon should count on this list…
Do goats next pleaseeeeee
can we get an owl video pleaseee
Can you please do wildlife guide to india
Yaaaaaayy
I would be very interested in wild goats
I know it would be short, but a rhino video would be nice
3:04
Do one on goats please
Can you do turtles?
What about goats?
The Sheep/Goat/Oryx line is hard to draw here sometimes...all beautiful naturally original animals though...
When you really look at what Mans selective breeding for ab/use has done to magnificent creatures..
Well my heart breaks anyway...😊
Wild sheep in Okanagan Valkey, BC, Canada ! (÷
I don't understand how people can hunt sheep.
TYPE OF SHEEP🐏🐑
5:18
Do a vid on the order rodentia
The controversy is no joke. All the zoomers are talking about it.
use kgs pls.
🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
What about nilgiri tahr?
Please talk a tid bit slower, then your videos will be PERFECTION!
some of this are goats
Wow see many of these i would have literally assumed were goats if i saw these. I had no idea sheep could have massive horns. Even the big horn sheep an animal.moat americans know off i just thought tjat was its name and genetically would have been goats. I need to look up the difference between sheep and goats. And also look into what what we in rhe pacific northwest call mountain goats. These giant monsters that are ass holes who get mad if you dont have salt.
do you pretend to make a video about all the species of deer ??
There are in fact seventy extant deer species under twenty genera.
I think you missed ovis aries
Why didn't you include the type of wild goat that Lionel Messi is?
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