1962 FENDER 5F1 TWEED CHAMP Electronics Repair and Restoration
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- In this video, we'll repair and restore a really nice 1962 Fender 5F1 Tweed Champ tube amp. We'll talk a little bit about the circuit and show how to restore one of these in the least invasive way possible by restuffing the Astron electrolytic capacitors. At the end, we'll demo the tone with my Zio "Meteorologist" Meteora copy and my PRS CE24.
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Glad to see the old Brad back and repairing amps KOOL
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Great video!! I just discovered a wonderfully dusty 1959 Champ 5F1 in a corner of a neighbor's home and am going to help him sell it. The amp is 100% factory original. This video was super helpful in giving me an idea of what it may need to go another 60+ years.
Sat up till the wee hours in Scotland the to watch this. A very nice sympathetic restoration.
Nice to see another oldie on the bench..! Great job, and nice playing..Ed..UK..😁
I own the Fender 57 Champ amp reissue I believe from 2008 !
Hey man next time you clean one of those break out the water hose in a wire brush🤣🤣🤣
Bwahahaha! Oh, god, THAT guy. 🤣 You gotta make sure you you're randomly walking along the river bank, then magically discover this laying there in the mud first though. 😅 Might as well paint all the caps & resistors red afterwards too! 😉
Uh yeah, clean all the pots, jacks, tube sockets THEN brush all that debris around the chassis. Good times people.
@@scottmulrooney3130 dude it's a joke. We are longtime viewers and we know the joke and so does Brad.
@@mark5150ty And so do I.
@@scottmulrooney3130 sorry you're comments didn't seem like you're being sarcastic.
One of the best amps ever!
Uncle Doug stuff some capacitors by using dowel wood with the tiny capacitor on the inside LOL it look great when he got done though
Uncle Doug grabs a big handful of booty and gives it all a good kick! Love his videos!
@@cchavez248 love uncle doug,,,,where the hell is he ????
@@tomstiel7576 he has posted fairly recently, he's older like most good techs in the tube biz, he can only post so often since he does his videos by himself. New Mexico is definitely not the tube amp Mecca, and good projects just come up once in a while. Also, he has to wait until Jack and Ollie are good and ready to demo the finished amps, they're not so much Johnny-on-the-Spot like Rusty was! Lolollllll, I barely got past that last sentence with a straight face, 😂!!!
Man i got so much respect for Brad and Uncle Doug... wouldnt know half of what i do about tube audio with out them.
😂😂spider mojo 😂😂..haha ..you are a funny man ..
Very helpful! Thank you!!
Definitely sounds better than my 1980 Champ!
These amps, along with the tweed bassmans are totally lightning in a bottle. Thanks for letting us zap ourselves with this lovely information
Hey Brad ... great restore!
And no controversy, historical, socio-political or otherwise!
Thx ... DT
great amp!
also, your commentary on this one reminded me of bob ross; especially with the brush haha. just need to add a happy little capacitor in there
@@ZombiedustXXX I take a handfull of happy caps daily! lol
I smoke a handful of happy crystals daily…. Really helps my adhd 🤷🏼
@@6nosis I bet!
😂😂
Nice video and nice amp :-)
The good old tubes rarely die. My modified "Knutsen" amp still has the original '63 Telefunken EL84 pair and Telefunken ECC83 PI tube. The EL84s may have been stressed or even red-plating at some point as the original PI coupling caps were leaky, but they appear to work great.
I’ve recapped all my vintage Fenders but they weren’t vintage back in the 70s or 80s. Just used amps.
Did I just hear some old Meddle era Pink Floyd (A Pillow Of Wind)? Whtever one that had "You'll Never Walk Alone" at the end...You're the best.
The song is "Fearless" off of "Meddle"
UD did a 'stuff job' on one of his projects with the original electrolytic caps as per customer request....he did a great job on it !
Saw you cleaning up that chrome chassis. I’ve discovered some great stuff called Never Dull. It’s cheap and at WalMart. Comes in a tin can and it is pre soaked cotton wads. Very gentle yet great cleaner for chrome abd bright metal. Will not scratch! I found it in the automotive cleaner section at WalMart. Works great on all guitar chrome parts, brass, alum etc..
Love your channel Brad. Waiting for you update on your legal issues! We support your fight. Been through that stuff myself!
Nice lacquered tweed..I have a 61 Princeton tremolo in brown Rolex cream knobs
What a nice little amp. I used to own an old black face Champ. Don't know if he was using a tweed or a black face, but they say Joe Walsh used a little Champ on those classic studio albums.
No one is gonna mention the weapon haha ? I love it how it lays next to you until it somehow dissapears around 32:55. Germans going crazy :D
BTW @The Guitologist found your Channel a few days ago and i love it. You do a great Job and its just a pleasure to watch you !
Bluesky, boss DM2-w, preamp is all you’d need with this…good review
"Tone Webs" LOL Dude, you crack me up.
Now people can argue which webs have the best tone. :D
@@DChrls Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's either gonna be the Violin or the Black Widow
Only Gibson Tone Webs will do, play authentic!
I just took the original tubes out of my 1973 Traynor YBA-1. the preamp ones anyway... 2 were microphonic. I'll keep them. Not bad for 48 years old
I like videos like this! Great job!
Weren't some of these early Fender amp designs taken straight from the RCA tube manual? I thought I'd read that somewhere, could be wrong.
Amazing guitar playing and tone🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻😍
Man, what a rad lil amp! Super nice shape. I'd be trying to hang on to that one, if I were you. ;)
Loved hearing "Fearless" too.. Haven't heard that tune in a long time. Gonna have to give some Floyd a listen now! ✌️
Beautiful job on a beautiful amp ! I hope you were able to score that amp.
Popped pokniio 🎉pi too Ii 😅🎉🎉 kk pb boo off
Even though it isn't being done to deceive, re-stuffing caps doesn't make sense to me, I'd rather see what the caps actually are. But I can understand guys like you amp techs who see vintage amps often, and want to see those vintage cap covers just "looks right". Jupiters look fine to me!
I prefer the clean shaven, short haired version of the Guitologist talking about guitars and guitar gear with the occasional rant about politics and such.
Seems like a happier Guitologist.
This is a special amp. You have no idea
Heaven forbid your forced to see anything about confrontations; it’s why we’re losing our country ; all the men prefer just wuss out…
@@6nosis ? Keep voting, and voting with your hard-earned cash, because that's the only way this country is going to change. This is a democratic republic, not the wild west.
Guys like you and me, we have to round up the parts and build stuff like this if we want it, but since we know how, we can do that. There are still some players who own and cherish these for the right reason. (The sound and the joy of playing them,) but the nerds and the Dweebulous Honkabobolios with the big trust funds gain more ground every day. It's sad that these things are not nearly so much musical instruments any more as they are commodities to be traded and flipped from one broker to another and hauled around in armored transport trucks and guarded by Navy SEALS with M-16s as the price climbs into the millions every time some billionaire speculator flips it again. Thank God for kits and schematics, thank God for people with common sense whose IQ is above room temperature, thank God for everybody who still cares about stuff like this for what it is and what it does as opposed to some hustler that's looking to squeeze a buck out of it.
Really sweet! Great work!
Funny how most people only care if it works and what it sounds like. Only electronics people care about looks and originality. Great job my man.
Hi Brad, I have been watching g you and uncle Doug forever. I absolutely love your videos. Please don't ever stop doing your videos. You are amazing. This videos are entertaining and informative. Keep this great stuff coming. Thanks Michael Newell from Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada
I stopped at 3:30. No need to continue on. You said the owner bought it to sell and flip. I’ve bought, sold and repaired vintage amps and guitars since the 70’s. Maximum value is for the untouched and unmolested. As soon as I see changes we are no longer in the same category. I would advise this customer to leave as is if it’s functional and still performing. The bulging filter cap on the far left could be an issue. A new one easily rehoused in the Astron paper might be required. Your not precious on original components which is fine for you, but there are plenty of us that have a different opinion. We may be the ones with the bigger wallet. There are only so many of these left.
Great Job and super fun video!
I'm really glad this video does not have the scratch-and-sniff feature with that being said LOL that thing is in pretty good shape that's nice it would be so cool to leave the original cast Andre stuff that would be so cool evenly some of the the bad part
LOL that's not even what I said
Brad=ASMR
Looks like one I left in my attic in 1990 !!! Didn’t know what I had then !! It was my dads he had as a kid and he died in 89. Left in attic In Charlotte nc. Hate it now !! 😩
Nice recap
Awesome demo! Thank you for it! Do you happen to recall around where the volume settings were on the guitars? The amp seems to be 12, but curious about the interaction with the guitars and amp. All good if you can't recall.
Cranked most of the time.
@@TheGuitologist - Thanks! Must have been loud in there during the demo!
Broken organs and oscilloscopes are a geat place for harvesting tubes i dont suggest wrecking a working organ or scope.
love that guitar,,, great job Brad...
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Okay I'm going to say something the organ industry was way better at building then any of the guitar factories that's why it's so easy to make them badass
That's the stuff.
heyyyyy fearless!! that was cool. just saw roger in atlanta! first time seeing any of them
good one
When I was in high school, the janitor threw away 12 of those in the dumpster when the music department got new ones. My buddy and I tried to claim a few but we got caught and told we couldn't dumpster dive, we came back later that day and someone beat us to them 😢
Ouch
Just a question... When you mentioned the speaker was tired and needed a recone, the suspension getting weak, or something with the voice coil? And how do tell? Thanks for a cool video.
I wonder, could you make a similar amp from scratch and how much would that cost (in materials and man hours)?
Absolutely! I think Uncle Doug already did. I forget which amp and which video, but yeah, it's totally doable and would be a lot cheaper. There's kits, but sourcing all parts yourself would be cool. Transformers would be the most expensive part.
@@R3TR0R4V3 Thank you, found it: th-cam.com/video/CW2OyUColUg/w-d-xo.html
First comment is from Brad ;-)
@@R3TR0R4V3 OK, I'm stupid, you probably meant this, same amp: th-cam.com/video/4xKritAC_J0/w-d-xo.html
You really need a bigger soldering iron for sticking that death cap to the chassis. Sometimes size does matter! 😂
I would use a Y type safety cap. The idea of the grounding cap is to ground out electrical interference coming thru the ac line. The safety cap will fail open instead of shorting.
i like watching guys with skills do their thing...very cool look into their world
L❤ve it Brad, Smooth as Makers Mark and as smokey as a Tatuaje Miami.👍
Knuckleheads will get all pedantic about an amp having all original caps, "for the tone" and spend way too much money on an amp with all original components and then they'll throw some nice new Ruby tubes in it. I love me some irony.
Even worse : buy a "pristine" "original" "under the bed" amp and having the "original" caps replaced after 2 weeks! 🤣
I could hear the speaker issues on the lower notes. Needs a re-cone.
You have to hand it Leo for designing something to be loud and in as small a package as possible. He definitely had giging players in mind.
Love to have one of your creations. Also have an idea what I want. A thick harmonic gain monster. EL 84 or 34s for around 20 watts. Would like the input to an AT7 to proces boost for tone stack . Into ax7s would also like effects loop another AT7. Like tube rectification , would be nice to have a switch for the other rectifier type. Would like it filtered from early in the first at7 first stage so it's no processing what I'm not using.ather than filter later on. That way it's only amplifying what is wanted. I have a Rebel 20 first model. I love the tone stack in it. I also have a stage right tube 15 I love it to.
Do you build custom amps love the sound of your mods. It's your ear and your technological knowledge. Great stuff
Uncle Doug "stuffed" some caps in a vintage amp awhile ago. Came out nice.
Seeing how much of a struggle it was to solder the death capacitor to the chassis, I wonder why don’t you try an RF soldering iron such as OKI Metcal? I bought one years ago and cannot stand to use a standard type these days. Especially when reflowing a whole circuit board, the RFs just heat up so quickly any cooling is quickly reheated before the next joint!
“See, Honey - it’s not hoarding. Brad The Guitologist told me to save them.”
Hey man, long time viewer, recently subscribed. I've got a couple of ideas for my DR, that I'd like to bounce off you. If you got the time.
I'd love to hear a strat thru that thing. I loved the old Floyd, my friend.
Me too, I really want to build an amp like this, and also a tweed bassman for my strat.
You're such a damn showoff when you get these bastards sounding good! That's why we're here man. I sent you a piece of cheese.
The song that was played over the first montage was killer!!! Is that your song? @theguitologist
I wrote the intro to it, which you don't hear here. The part you heard is all my friend Kevin Willett. The song is called "Quasar".
Nice video, glad you are making these types of videos.
Now all that amp needs is a Weber speaker. :)
So, the 470ohm 1 watt bias resistor stayed?! That’s usually way too low at modern day line voltage.
You are supposed to play these through a variac or brown box
Hey Brad, good to be viewing your channel once again. I scored on a perfect 63 Tweed Champ 5F1 circuit, a few years back. Actually a bit cleaner than the one you are recapping. Got it for $800 bucks. By the way, love your comment you made a few days ago. I'm the one that lives in California, that has to put up with that crap.
Oh no, no more wolly bully. Looks good Brad. Nice to see your back. Cheers
If you change the caps wont it no longer be the same amp?
Not only will it be the same amp, it’ll function correctly.
Great, informative video! Still laughing about “closet queen”.
Hey Brad, If you need some weird hard to find tube you that you can't find, let me know, I've got a ton of tubes. The 12AX7s, 12AT7s, 6L6's, EL84's, EL-34's and 6V6's are the hard ones to come across, when I find boxes of tubes at the swap meet. In this place we call Sodom & Gomorrah, otherwise know as California.
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Great video! Wanted to know if you were interested in fixing and modding a Ross Flanger Distortion effect. It defaults to white noise after about 10 minutes...also wanted to be able to put a option switch for flanger before or after distortion.
1960 was the dividing line between the tweed amps and more modern imitation leather. 5 series circuits as shown here were replaced by 6 series during the same year. Since Fender was a tightly run company, some of the sample materials brought in for the decade change were used up resulting in some rare color combinations in 1960. Prebuilt chassis from the previous era were also updated with new designation written on the old tag.
In this case the '4C' may actually be an 'HC' since date codes of the era consisted of letters. With a date of 1958 March, the tweed and 5 series circuit makes more sense. Except for the blue capacitors which replaced the less reliable yellow variety if the 50's. These would be closer to 1963.
Perhaps old pre build stock which was assembled late enough to benefit from better capacitors.
Your playing reminds me of Rory Gallagher with a lot of stacatto & major/minor changes . Any influence on your playing ?
Dunno if the pew-pew in the background will affect demonetizating this video........utube is really f$%&$ up with this things.
Great to see you finished reading Tolkien, an amazing author and I hope you don't mind me saying, the Middle-earth Gandalf look did not suit you.
1965 My Cousin loaned me his Champ and Duo Sonic, I had it about a year and then he decided he wanted it back-with broken heart I returned his guitar and amp only to hear that about a year later his house got ripped off and good bye amp and guitar, both of the early 60's vintage.. I wouldn't mind another Champ, I gave my Daughter my Strat and Super Reverb (65 original) but still have a Strat and a Pignose, - believe it or not a Pignose is pretty good for bedroom playing.
Damnit!!! I wish that I could talk to you PM...I don't know how we could either without the whackadoodles tracing....this isn't even a matter of the Gub'mint shiite.
Nice video! What’s the song that starts at about 21 mins? I was jamming out to that! Lol
Great vid. You seem to have mellowed a wee bit...good to see. In 1962 my dad made me an amp for the bass guitar I had built (aged 16) ..reminded me of that time. Post war austerity and ex military electronis...those were the days😊
Bros and Hoes, LOL...
GOOD TO SEE YOU BRAD !!!!
i was just talking about building a clone of this amp.
Wow, 1 little bitty 8" speaker, just a volume, but TWO inputs! One for the guitar and the other of the accordion I suppose.
beautiful amp Brad - only one comment on it that I would suggest. I know the traditional rule on amps has been same value or highter on the electrolytics - generally a true statement. But high value caps will rob some of the tweed tone from these amps. After all, that 22mfd electrolytic is 30% higher than the 16mfd. That will make a difference - the amp will have more capacity on reserve and be slightly stiffer. It makes a big difference on a relatively simple amp. It may make sense to increase on an amp that you want to be cleaner, but not one that you want to distort in the same manner as intended. You can get 16mfd caps.
Hey John. Normally, I might agree, but when's the last time you pulled a cap and it wasn't higher than the spec value anyway? I didn't measure the originals, but I'd be willing to bet they'd be closer in value to the new caps than the printed value, at least the two that weren't exploded. ;)
Good to see you, by the way! You need to come up to Louisville and geek out on amps with me in a video sometime.
@@TheGuitologist I don't really understand the point - if something calls for a 16 mfd cap, and you put 22s in there - part of the sound of a tweed is that 16 mfd cap. 22 is a substantial difference than 16 (percentage wise). Tube amps are more about percentages as you know after years of swapping values. if you do that to multiple stages, you will definitely hear the difference. Maybe you didn't realize you can get 16s and 20s easily enough now. I am definitely am not slamming your work. You try it, and if you don't think it works - don't do it! But try it before you judge it. I used to do the same myself. Lots of good stuff. Right now am working a different job so I don't get to Louisville as often, but yes, I will stop by sometime and geek out over vintage amps and gear. Maybe if I have something interesting when I hit Louisville next I will bring it with me. It will be fun. Ha, I watched you repair a washing machine on a video today. I just did nearly exactly the same thing to my LG! We both value fixing things rather than spending a thousand bucks to replace it and unnecessarily filling up a landfills. Brad the recycler - the environmentalist. I've fixed my TVs, computers, and HIFIs too (when I am able). And one of my favorite guitars I purchased in pieces and glued it back together (it was likely ran over or crushed in shipping and was being sold as parts). It now looks pretty good but plays very amazingly well! TTYL
small tube amps = big studio tone
You have a gun on your bench. Is that for shooting the amp (or yourself) when repairing, say, a Mesa-Boogie?
Instead of restuffing, how about fully replacing the caps with modern components, then storing the old ones in the nearest trash can? Do classic car owners keep all the old tyres and oil?
Well done. By the way, how much is an amp like.this?
I have an all original non-molested 65 Fender black face vibro champ that I'm interested in selling or Trading
When I see "the Secrets off..." in my subscription feed my heart beats a little faster. Great video man!!
Ya gonna pull an Elvis and shoot the amp if it won’t work? Lol, maybe save that for a TV front!!
You mean you can still buy things at a deal price and resell ? I thought that era died a while back with internet saturation of the population. I guess it must be still possible.
Very special
As much as I'm a fan of the old Silvertones, I swear those tweed Fenders are just monsters. Thanks Brad.
What speaker would you recommend if building one of these? Great video!
That's the nicest sounding Champ I think I've ever heard. I'm curious about the voltages.
Would have to recap it anyways, plus the addition of the elevated AC from the wall outlets we run these days
How do the reissue fender 57 custom champs sound in comparison to this? Are they close?
Great job with that Brad ! The amp definitely looks the great with the stuffed caps, good idea. What did you use to clean the face plate?